Aquaponics Digest - Sun 02/13/00
Message 1: Re: Fw: pump operations
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 2: Alfalfa
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 3: Re: Alfalfa
from "Jay Myers"
Message 4: Introduction and questions
from Ryon Lucke
Message 5: Re: Organic vs. hydroponic
from "TGTX"
Message 6: Re: Alfalfa
from "TGTX"
Message 7: Re: Alfalfa, was Re: Introductions
from Raul Vergueiro Martins
Message 8: Re: Alfalfa, was Re: Introductions
from Marc & Marcy
Message 9: Re: Alfalfa
from Raul Vergueiro Martins
Message 10: Re: Alfalfa
from Raul Vergueiro Martins
Message 11: Re: Alfalfa, was Re: Introductions
from "TGTX"
Message 12: Re: Alfalfa, was Re: Introductions
from Raul Vergueiro Martins
Message 13: Re: dead fish
from dreadlox@cwjamaica.com (michael kent barnett)
Message 14: Re: Question on S&S System
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 15: Re: Question on S&S System
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 16: [Fwd: Alfalfa, was Re: Introductions]
from Raul Vergueiro Martins
Message 17: Re: Introduction and questions
from Sunpeer
Message 18: Re: Introduction and questions
from Bertmcl
Message 19: Aquaponics
from Ryon Lucke
Message 20: Re: Aquaponics
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 21: Re: Aquaponics
from "D.Bennett"
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Subject: Re: Fw: pump operations
From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 01:33:27 -0500
> What nitrate level do you maintain for the system in ppm?
I don't control nitrates specifically. In winter I adjust the EC
(electroconductivity) to 2000, in summer at 1400.
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Subject: Alfalfa
From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 05:51:43 -0500
Raul,
You might want to check out The Fodder Factory at
http://www.fodderfactory.com.au/index.html
(WARNING TO TINKERERS: This will make your heart race, if you have a
heart condition you should not go there!)
This is strictly hydroponic but I should think it would work with
aquaponics. No, they don't have US distribution, I've checked.:>)
Adriana
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Subject: Re: Alfalfa
From: "Jay Myers"
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 08:27:00 -0600
That is similar to a unit they had in Arizona 25 years ago - they were
growing rye grass if my memory hasn't gone the same way the rest of me seems
to be trying to go.
What are you doing up at 4:45 am?
Jay
Subject: Alfalfa
>Raul,
>You might want to check out The Fodder Factory at
>http://www.fodderfactory.com.au/index.html
>
>(WARNING TO TINKERERS: This will make your heart race, if you have a
>heart condition you should not go there!)
>
>This is strictly hydroponic but I should think it would work with
>aquaponics. No, they don't have US distribution, I've checked.:>)
>
>Adriana
>
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Subject: Introduction and questions
From: Ryon Lucke
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 06:40:15 -0800 (PST)
Hi everybody-
I have been "lurking" for several days, so will now make my presence
known. I am Ryon Lucke, I live in Virginia's Shenandoah Valley (not far
from Ray Schneider, though I don't know him, though I do recognize the place
where he works.)
My wife (of 24 years- anniversary coming up) discovered Tilapia at the
grocery store, and I have always craved fresh tomatoes in the winter, so
this notion of producing them jointly is very interesting.
We'll start small- like an old bathtub I happen to have, and about 10
cubic feet of growing bed. The longer-term goal will be one fish per day,
year round. It sounds like that will produce more produce than one family
can eat, so we'll be doing some marketing, I suppose.
Past that I entertain the notion- between the tinkering and the
growing- that this might be a business my wife and I can both work at, off
in the future someplace.
Now the questions-
If Tilapia can gulp air at the surface, why did David's fish die in
less than 9 hours? Did the tank have too little surface area for the fish
to "gulp," or is there a limit to how long they can do this, or is something
else at work?
How do you get the process started? How big do the fry have to be
before thay will support a bed of germinated seeds, and until you have
growing plants, how do you keep the fish water clean?
Presumably a continuous small-volume pump irrigating the growing beds
is as effective as the "batch" process where the beds are watered every so
often?
Does anybody know how much and what kind of light tomatoes (and other
produce-especially cucumbers) need in mid-winter?
Who is that down east of Richmond? Do you have a working system with
fish in it?
Thanks
Ryon Lucke
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Subject: Re: Organic vs. hydroponic
From: "TGTX"
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 13:00:40 -0600
>
> So, in case anyone might have misunderstood me, I think hydroponics is a
> great way to grow food. I think it is intriguing and facinating, and I
> think the produce that comes out of hydroponic production systems
generally
> speaking is safe and nutritious. I just like growing fish so much that I
> have to admit my preferences for aquaponics...also not hazardous if done
> properly...but with it's own set of risks just like everything else.
>
> Ted
If I reply to my own post, does that mean I am talking to myself?
Anyway, I wanted to go back to this thread and mention 2 very old
publications that, if anyone can find, then you are awesome and please do
share the sources for them
They are:
Hydroponics: The Bengal System, 4th edition, by J. Sholto Douglas, 1970,
167 pp. from Oxford Universtiy Press, Fair Lawn, NJ, which includes a
section on use of organic materials in nutrient solutions
and
Growing Plants Without Soil (Vermiculaponics) by M. Bentley, 1955!!
I may do an interlibrary loan request on these 2 publications and get back
to y'all with a report..... or a retort.
Ted
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Subject: Re: Alfalfa
From: "TGTX"
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 13:20:09 -0600
> That is similar to a unit they had in Arizona 25 years ago -
I have a reference that goes way back to the turn of the century. In fact,
it was advertised in one of those old tintype or lithographic "Sears"
catalogs or similar, alongside the buggy whips and wooden ice boxes......It
consisted of a rack of horizontal trays that revolved up and down and back
again with 2 horizontal shafts with gears, I think, and I think it had a
"bicycle chain" kind of drive and a crank. The purpose of this gadget was
to produce sprouted grains for chickens. Neat idea, using the stacked
vertical space that way. I can envision a bread tray cart, (like you see in
bakeries or in the grocery stores, with dozens of layers of trays stacked
vertically) that grow greens for the fish to eat. I think we had this
discussion before, about which sprouts are desired by the Tilapia. Seemed
water cress is well received compared with bean sprouts....any way, I plan
to try that with some kind of sprouts to supplement the fish diet in my
system. Vertical racks might be a good way to grow the "micro" salad greens
that are sought after by the haute cuisine chefs. Adequate light might be a
problem for some racks, but that's no hill for a stepper.
Ted
Ted
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Subject: Re: Alfalfa, was Re: Introductions
From: Raul Vergueiro Martins
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 17:30:09 +1300
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D.Bennett wrote:
> >I have not tried Alfalfa, however I did try several trays (regular GH
> growing
> >trays 10" x 20" that started plants are sold) of Buckwheat,Sorghum,Oats and
> >Corn. While it is not a 100 true Aquaponics situation I hand watered
> >(sprinkled) the seeds with fish water several times a day and within 7 days
> >most were 6" tall ,corn took another week. I was just playing around with
> >
> About what temperature were your flats of sprouts? I WANT to try
> this same thing to provide cheaper, more nutritional winter feed
> for my horses and goats. I was told barley was excellent to use
> for this purpose, and I think someone mentioned oats.
> Do you have, or know of a site that lists the nutritional values
> of sprouts from any of these seeds?
> Donna
Hello Donna:
Not only for your cattle, but, according to some test we made, alfafa provides
de best growing rates for rabbit babies.
You can get more informations with:
Zero Grass (NZ) Ltd.
P.O. Box 940 - Taruanga - New Zealand
They manufacture the Fodder Factory.
Good informations too, at
http://www.midcoast.com.au/users/fodderpr/fodderpr.html
They have good informations about barley, oat and corn sprouts.
If you don't get the informations, I'll be glad to send you copies of papers by
common mail, if you provide me with your adress.
The "knot" of the entire process, is the cost of seeds.
If You can get barley seeds discarded from any beer factory, you can get the
best costs.
I think alfafa is the way. It is perennial, with a usefull life about 4 years,
and with it, you can get (in normal soil), a minimum of 3,5 cuts a year, with a
production around 5 Ton/Ha/Cut (metric units), of fresh herb.
Production of dried herb, (with 15% moisture content), is about 1 Ton/Ha/Cut.
You must consider that I'm speaking of Brazil, a tropical country, where we can
produce grappes in 3,8 harvests a year.
I believe that, in aquaponics, we can nearly double this production.
You should consider too, the production of Confrey, a herb not too rich in
fibers, but specially good for young cows, during the first stages of feeding,
when they use only one stomach. Hens adore confrey, and they became just mad
for eating it as they feel its smell at distances more than 20 meters.
I have some informatios that in Russia they feed hens with confrey, to
substitute corn grains.
In any way, sprouts are specially good for animals and for humans too.
With rations of fresh hidroponic herb, you can get at least 15% more milk in
your cows, and this milk will have at least 28% more cream.
According to tests made, racing horses, get a minimum of 30% more phisical
resistence, when feeded with hidroponic grass.
If you work with seeds (barley), you can produce a minimum of 450 Kg of grass in
an area of about 20 square meters, in a relation of 1 Kg of seeds for 10 Kg of
grass.
Hope this helps you, and excuse my English. It is not the best.
Greetings
Raul Vergueiro Martins
rvm@sti.com.br
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D.Bennett wrote:
>I have not tried Alfalfa, however I did try several
trays (regular GH
growing
>trays 10" x 20" that started plants are sold) of Buckwheat,Sorghum,Oats
and
>Corn. While it is not a 100 true Aquaponics situation I hand watered
>(sprinkled) the seeds with fish water several times a day and within
7 days
>most were 6" tall ,corn took another week. I was just playing around
with
>
About what temperature were your flats of sprouts? I WANT to
try
this same thing to provide cheaper, more nutritional winter feed
for my horses and goats. I was told barley was excellent to use
for this purpose, and I think someone mentioned oats.
Do you have, or know of a site that lists the nutritional values
of sprouts from any of these seeds?
Donna
Hello Donna:
Not only for your cattle, but, according to some test we made, alfafa
provides de best growing rates for rabbit babies.
You can get more informations with:
Zero Grass (NZ) Ltd.
P.O. Box 940 - Taruanga - New Zealand
They manufacture the Fodder Factory.
Good informations too, at
http://www.midcoast.com.au/users/fodderpr/fodderpr.html
They have good informations about barley, oat
and corn sprouts.
If you don't get the informations, I'll be glad
to send you copies of papers by common mail, if you provide me with your
adress.
The "knot" of the entire process, is the cost
of seeds.
If You can get barley seeds discarded from any
beer factory, you can get the best costs.
I think alfafa is the way. It is
perennial, with a usefull life about 4 years, and with it, you can get
(in normal soil), a minimum of 3,5 cuts a year, with a production around
5 Ton/Ha/Cut (metric units), of fresh herb.
Production of dried herb, (with 15% moisture
content), is about 1 Ton/Ha/Cut.
You must consider that I'm speaking of Brazil,
a tropical country, where we can produce grappes in 3,8 harvests a year.
I believe that, in aquaponics, we can nearly
double this production.
You should consider too, the production of Confrey,
a herb not too rich in fibers, but specially good for young cows, during
the first stages of feeding, when they use only one stomach.
Hens adore confrey, and they became just mad for eating it as they feel
its smell at distances more than 20 meters.
I have some informatios that in Russia they feed
hens with confrey, to substitute corn grains.
In any way, sprouts are specially good for animals
and for humans too.
With rations of fresh hidroponic herb, you can
get at least 15% more milk in your cows, and this milk will have at least
28% more cream.
According to tests made, racing horses, get a
minimum of 30% more phisical resistence, when feeded with hidroponic grass.
If you work with seeds (barley), you can produce
a minimum of 450 Kg of grass in an area of about 20 square meters, in a
relation of 1 Kg of seeds for 10 Kg of grass.
Hope this helps you, and excuse my English.
It is not the best.
Greetings
Raul Vergueiro Martins
rvm@sti.com.br
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Subject: Re: Alfalfa, was Re: Introductions
From: Marc & Marcy
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 12:27:11 -0700
..snip..
> The "knot" of the entire process, is the cost of seeds.
> If You can get barley seeds discarded from any beer
> factory, you can get the best costs.
..snip..
There are a LOT of abandoned feed elevators due to their
small size and larger competitors.
They have piles of seed laying deep enough to drown in.
Marc
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Subject: Re: Alfalfa
From: Raul Vergueiro Martins
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 17:35:06 +1300
Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta wrote:
> Raul,
> You might want to check out The Fodder Factory at
> http://www.fodderfactory.com.au/index.html
>
> (WARNING TO TINKERERS: This will make your heart race, if you have a
> heart condition you should not go there!)
>
> This is strictly hydroponic but I should think it would work with
> aquaponics. No, they don't have US distribution, I've checked.:>)
>
> Adriana
Hi Adriana:
I know the site.
They have no informations about alfafa.
Even so, I believe alfafa has grat possibilities in aquaponics.
Thanks for your attention in answering me.
Greetins
Raul Vergueiro Martins
rvm@sti.com.br
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Subject: Re: Alfalfa
From: Raul Vergueiro Martins
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 17:40:20 +1300
Jay Myers wrote:
> That is similar to a unit they had in Arizona 25 years ago - they were
> growing rye grass if my memory hasn't gone the same way the rest of me seems
> to be trying to go.
>
> What are you doing up at 4:45 am?
>
> Jay
>
> Subject: Alfalfa
>
> >Raul,
> >You might want to check out The Fodder Factory at
> >http://www.fodderfactory.com.au/index.html
> >
> >(WARNING TO TINKERERS: This will make your heart race, if you have a
> >heart condition you should not go there!)
> >
> >This is strictly hydroponic but I should think it would work with
> >aquaponics. No, they don't have US distribution, I've checked.:>)
> >
> >Adriana
> >
Hi Jay:
Good to see you present at this time in the mornig.
We are just working and studying with you all.
Greetings
Raul Vergueiro Martins
rvm@sti.com.br
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Subject: Re: Alfalfa, was Re: Introductions
From: "TGTX"
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 13:38:51 -0600
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Raul,
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Subject: Re: Alfalfa, was Re: Introductions
From: Raul Vergueiro Martins
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 18:09:16 +1300
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TGTX wrote:
>
>
> Raul,
>
> Great post, but I did not find a website at that URL
>
> >Good informations too, at
> http://www.midcoast.com.au/users/fodderpr/fodderpr.html
>
Hello:
Try using
http:www.fodderfactory.com.au/index.html
Greetings
Raul Vergueiro Martins
rvm@sti.com.br
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TGTX wrote:
Raul,
Great post, but I did not find a website at that URL
>Good informations too, at
http://www.midcoast.com.au/users/fodderpr/fodderpr.html
Hello:
Try using
http:www.fodderfactory.com.au/index.html
Greetings
Raul Vergueiro Martins
rvm@sti.com.br
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Subject: Re: dead fish
From: dreadlox@cwjamaica.com (michael kent barnett)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 16:30:51 +0000
Hi guys...
Just coming in from the country...wow...from a 2000 acre
farm...Tommorrow I commision a 30,ooo liter industrial fat seperator,
and hopefully by mid week I can be back out in the country and in the
fields...
Just wanna say I enjoy automating agro related biz's and Im going out in
the field more and more...Industry is cool but in the field is cooler!
lol
Sam, just wanted to point out to the less technical that using the
"donkey standard" (foolproof) principle that I learnt the hard way
building high tech plants all over the world is the fact that someone
should also check regularly to see to it that the gas bottles are full.
This method in a way has the drawback as opposed to the 12v pumps or
blowers that a bottle empty is just that!! While he blowers always have
a ready supply of air..unless it jams. One could also couple the
flowmeter to give an alarm signal, with the logic...if the power goes
and solenoid opens, and no flow...ALARM!! May just be a weekend and the
person who was supposed to check the bottles... in love......
Another simple method is using a pressure switch to check the status of
filled bottles, and tripping when the pressure in the bottlesd reaches a
particular level. I acknowledge the possibilities are endless, and
please for the non techies..its not always about MONEY!! Sometimes I
ask my clients to take me to the dump, and buy me an ice cream after
rigging op some gizmo!! lol There are UNLIMITED resources of valves
solenoids switches relays at dumps. and even at fix it shops. Many will
GIVE you these parts...here we just exchange a six pack of cool "Red
Stripe Beer" for some assistance... whenever I drive up at the dump the
scavegers will quickly assist and within minutes I have wat I need.
I repeat...just think simple!!
If you know WHAT you need, there are a lot of machines that contain
exactly these parts!! Use this list too to ask for help..
In the way of intros...for the newer ones on the list... I live in
Jamaica now, where improvisation is key...to being a sucesful anything,
For anyone needing simple assistance re controls and technical problems
I feel this is how I can help most on this list. Ive been helped a lot
by many here...and you know yourselves...lol (lots of love.. lol)
Peace...MIke
Sunny Isle, Jamaica, West Indies..
Sam Levy wrote:
>
> dave--
>
> i once used a back up oxygen system that we rigged as follows:
>
> 2 bottles of oxygen hooked to a manifold (1" pvc pipe)
> a solenoid valve
> 8 mm polyethylene pipe (black) to a flowmeter
> 8 mm polyethylene pipe (black) to a set of dedicated oxygen stones in the
> culture tanks
>
> we opened the system to set the o2 pressure & the flow rate
> the electricity feed to the solenoid was out of the overload attached to the
> blower
>
> the result was that the solenoid would open automatically anytime the blower
> stopped functioning and the o2 would keep everything alive
>
> we checked the system each day during the normal work hours to double check
> that it hadn't "forgot" why we built it. we used two bottles to be able to
> empty one & let the new one start with no one present. we also kept a spare
> in stock at all times (weekends can be long)
>
> i imaging that you could also use a 12 or 24 v blower-battery operated set
> to start the minute your main blower goes off any good electrician should be
> able to explain to you the circuits needed--but check that whatever you buy
> for back-up will actually maintain your system (plan for a 24 - 48 hr
> stoppage)
>
> hope this was clear enough to help
>
> sam
>
> >From: dbenhart@essex1.com (David Benhart)
> >Subject: dead fish
>
> >
> > fed fish this morning at 530 am, went to work, came home at 3 to find
> >that a ground fault breaker had tripped this morning at 6 am! lost
> >every one of my talapia.
> > Can anyone help with a suggestion on a battery type backup for my air
> >stones?
> >
> >
> >Dave Benhart
> >Shore Acres Greenhouse.
> >
>
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Subject: Re: Question on S&S System
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 15:37:05 -0600
At 05:08 PM 02/12/2000 EST, Joe Insana wrote:
>Paula,
>Is your hydroponics system a fill and drain (ebb & flow) type system or do
>you keep a constant water level in the pea gravel?
Ours is basically ebb and flow (or flood and drain, whichever term you like
best :>) The interval between cycles allows air to fill the gaps between
the gravel, boosting oxygen levels in the root zone and improving the DO
levels during the next water cycle.
Also if you do keep a
>constant water level then how far from the surface do you keep that constant
>water level?
We try to monitor the beds to keep the water at root level during the flood
cycle, and that will depend on your crops to some extent. Then again, we've
had tomatoes and peppers growing in a bed where, for a time, the water came
over the top of the gravel each cycle - they didn't seem to mind at all.
Do you distribute the water over the whole surface of the
>plants or is the inlet on one end and outlet on the other end.
We use 1" PVC in a ladder-like arrangement. This grid, when level,
distributes the nutrient-laden water evenly over the surface of the bed, and
provides good nutrient balance, we believe.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: Re: Question on S&S System
From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 16:52:30 -0500
> We use 1" PVC in a ladder-like arrangement. This grid, when level,
> distributes the nutrient-laden water evenly over the surface of the bed, and
> provides good nutrient balance, we believe.
I've seen an S & S type system in W Virginia which had been modified to
a single inlet on one end and drain on the other (with flow control
valve outside the bed on the drain side) and it worked just fine. There
were fewer pipes to get in the way, unplug, etc.
Adriana
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Subject: [Fwd: Alfalfa, was Re: Introductions]
From: Raul Vergueiro Martins
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 18:22:51 +1300
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D.Bennett wrote:
> >I have not tried Alfalfa, however I did try several trays (regular GH
> growing
> >trays 10" x 20" that started plants are sold) of Buckwheat,Sorghum,Oats and
> >Corn. While it is not a 100 true Aquaponics situation I hand watered
> >(sprinkled) the seeds with fish water several times a day and within 7 days
> >most were 6" tall ,corn took another week. I was just playing around with
> >
> About what temperature were your flats of sprouts? I WANT to try
> this same thing to provide cheaper, more nutritional winter feed
> for my horses and goats. I was told barley was excellent to use
> for this purpose, and I think someone mentioned oats.
> Do you have, or know of a site that lists the nutritional values
> of sprouts from any of these seeds?
> Donna
Hello Donna:
Not only for your cattle, but, according to some test we made, alfafa provides
de best growing rates for rabbit babies.
You can get more informations with:
Zero Grass (NZ) Ltd.
P.O. Box 940 - Taruanga - New Zealand
They manufacture the Fodder Factory.
Good informations too, at
http://www.midcoast.com.au/users/fodderpr/fodderpr.html
They have good informations about barley, oat and corn sprouts.
If you don't get the informations, I'll be glad to send you copies of papers by
common mail, if you provide me with your adress.
The "knot" of the entire process, is the cost of seeds.
If You can get barley seeds discarded from any beer factory, you can get the
best costs.
I think alfafa is the way. It is perennial, with a usefull life about 4 years,
and with it, you can get (in normal soil), a minimum of 3,5 cuts a year, with a
production around 5 Ton/Ha/Cut (metric units), of fresh herb.
Production of dried herb, (with 15% moisture content), is about 1 Ton/Ha/Cut.
You must consider that I'm speaking of Brazil, a tropical country, where we can
produce grappes in 3,8 harvests a year.
I believe that, in aquaponics, we can nearly double this production.
You should consider too, the production of Confrey, a herb not too rich in
fibers, but specially good for young cows, during the first stages of feeding,
when they use only one stomach. Hens adore confrey, and they became just mad
for eating it as they feel its smell at distances more than 20 meters.
I have some informatios that in Russia they feed hens with confrey, to
substitute corn grains.
In any way, sprouts are specially good for animals and for humans too.
With rations of fresh hidroponic herb, you can get at least 15% more milk in
your cows, and this milk will have at least 28% more cream.
According to tests made, racing horses, get a minimum of 30% more phisical
resistence, when feeded with hidroponic grass.
If you work with seeds (barley), you can produce a minimum of 450 Kg of grass in
an area of about 20 square meters, in a relation of 1 Kg of seeds for 10 Kg of
grass.
Hope this helps you, and excuse my English. It is not the best.
Greetings
Raul Vergueiro Martins
rvm@sti.com.br
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D.Bennett wrote:
>I have not tried Alfalfa, however I did try several
trays (regular GH
growing
>trays 10" x 20" that started plants are sold) of Buckwheat,Sorghum,Oats
and
>Corn. While it is not a 100 true Aquaponics situation I hand watered
>(sprinkled) the seeds with fish water several times a day and within
7 days
>most were 6" tall ,corn took another week. I was just playing around
with
>
About what temperature were your flats of sprouts? I WANT to
try
this same thing to provide cheaper, more nutritional winter feed
for my horses and goats. I was told barley was excellent to use
for this purpose, and I think someone mentioned oats.
Do you have, or know of a site that lists the nutritional values
of sprouts from any of these seeds?
Donna
Hello Donna:
Not only for your cattle, but, according to some test we made, alfafa
provides de best growing rates for rabbit babies.
You can get more informations with:
Zero Grass (NZ) Ltd.
P.O. Box 940 - Taruanga - New Zealand
They manufacture the Fodder Factory.
Good informations too, at
http://www.midcoast.com.au/users/fodderpr/fodderpr.html
They have good informations about barley, oat
and corn sprouts.
If you don't get the informations, I'll be glad
to send you copies of papers by common mail, if you provide me with your
adress.
The "knot" of the entire process, is the cost
of seeds.
If You can get barley seeds discarded from any
beer factory, you can get the best costs.
I think alfafa is the way. It is
perennial, with a usefull life about 4 years, and with it, you can get
(in normal soil), a minimum of 3,5 cuts a year, with a production around
5 Ton/Ha/Cut (metric units), of fresh herb.
Production of dried herb, (with 15% moisture
content), is about 1 Ton/Ha/Cut.
You must consider that I'm speaking of Brazil,
a tropical country, where we can produce grappes in 3,8 harvests a year.
I believe that, in aquaponics, we can nearly
double this production.
You should consider too, the production of Confrey,
a herb not too rich in fibers, but specially good for young cows, during
the first stages of feeding, when they use only one stomach.
Hens adore confrey, and they became just mad for eating it as they feel
its smell at distances more than 20 meters.
I have some informatios that in Russia they feed
hens with confrey, to substitute corn grains.
In any way, sprouts are specially good for animals
and for humans too.
With rations of fresh hidroponic herb, you can
get at least 15% more milk in your cows, and this milk will have at least
28% more cream.
According to tests made, racing horses, get a
minimum of 30% more phisical resistence, when feeded with hidroponic grass.
If you work with seeds (barley), you can produce
a minimum of 450 Kg of grass in an area of about 20 square meters, in a
relation of 1 Kg of seeds for 10 Kg of grass.
Hope this helps you, and excuse my English.
It is not the best.
Greetings
Raul Vergueiro Martins
rvm@sti.com.br
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Subject: Re: Introduction and questions
From: Sunpeer
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 17:48:21 EST
In a message dated 2/13/00 9:40:37 AM Eastern Standard Time,
JRYONLUCKE@excite.com writes:
<<
Does anybody know how much and what kind of light tomatoes (and other
produce-especially cucumbers) need in mid-winter? >>
I have had good luck growing loads of cukes in Buffalo - Rochester winters.
We have a student run 10' x 25' area with 4 - 400watt high pressure sodium
lamps. Plants are trellised on 2' centers (2 plants per wire) with the lamps
5' above soil level. Variety is everything. We have tried expensive Dutch
seed but actully have better mildew contol and yield with Parks "All Season"
(all female flower and no pollenation). Thought my info might help, as our
project is not for commercial sales. Good Luck.
Monte
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Subject: Re: Introduction and questions
From: Bertmcl
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 18:16:34 EST
Hello RYON,
I am in NEW KENT VA 25 miles East of Richmond.
I have been trying to find a betterway to raise both Tilapia and vegetables.
I have a very small system raising Tilapia and testing different types of
plants in a small size S&S Aqua Syatem. I have learned a lot and made a lot
of mistakes. Now I am in the process of building a 30'x48' bow type GH.
E-mail me off line with your telephone # and I will call you.
Bert
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Subject: Aquaponics
From: Ryon Lucke
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 15:17:42 -0800 (PST)
>
> I've seen an S & S type system in W Virginia
Adriana, can you tell me where in W VA? It might be close enough for me to
visit.
Ryon
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Subject: Re: Aquaponics
From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 19:45:24 -0500
Ryon Lucke wrote:
>
> >
> > I've seen an S & S type system in W Virginia
>
> Adriana, can you tell me where in W VA? It might be close enough for me to
> visit.
It's at the Vo Tech school in Keyser. You should also touch base with
Marten Jenkins in Shepherdstown. Their facilities were being completely
overhauled when I was there so we couldn't look at them. If you want to
make a day of it there is the USDFA agricultural research station in
Shepherdstown which has hydroponic experiments with trout effluent
trucked in from a nearby trout hatchery. If you're interested I can try
to get you contact names and phone numbers.
There's also a facility in Blacksburg, I think.
Adriana
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Subject: Re: Aquaponics
From: "D.Bennett"
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 22:29:03 -0500
>trucked in from a nearby trout hatchery. If you're interested I can try
>to get you contact names and phone numbers.
>
I'd please like to have that info. I'm just across the river
from W.Va. in Ohio.
Donna
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