Aquaponics Digest - Thu 02/17/00
Message 1: Re: unsubscribe
from Robert Leader
Message 2: Re: Repost - Please save -- Welcome message and list etiquette
from Jim Sealy Jr
Message 3: Re: Repost - Please save -- Welcome message and list etiquette
from Jim Sealy Jr
Message 4: introduction and request for information
from "beacnhrt"
Message 5: [Fwd: Fw: PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE READ!]]
from Chris Weaver
Message 6: Re: [Fwd: Fw: PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE READ!]]
from Jim Sealy Jr
Message 7: Re: [Fwd: Fw: PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE READ!]]
from Marc & Marcy
Message 8: Urban legends - fowarded from OGL
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 9: RE: A murder mystery
from wills/nachreiner
Message 10: Re: Introduction
from wills/nachreiner
Message 11: Re: [Fwd: Fw: PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE READ!]]
from Chris Weaver
Message 12: Re: A murder mystery
from Doug Peckenpaugh
Message 13: RE: introduction and request for information
from "Ron Brooks"
Message 14: Re: A murder mystery
from "Bennett"
Message 15: Re: Fwd. Or rotting meat
from "Steve"
Message 16: Re: Local Tilapia markets, was Re: catfish!!
from "Steve"
Message 17:
from "Steve"
Message 18: Re: Local Tilapia markets, was Re: catfish!!
from "Bennett"
Message 19: Re: Fwd. Or rotting meat
from "Steve"
Message 20: Re: A murder mystery
from "Steve"
Message 21: Re: introduction and request for information
from "Steve"
Message 22: Re: A murder mystery
from "Steve"
Message 23: Re: Local Tilapia markets, was Re: catfish!!
from "Steve"
Message 24:
from "Steve"
Message 25: Re: System discussion, was Re: Introduction and questions
from "Sam Levy"
Message 26: Re: introduction and request for information
from "Sam Levy"
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Subject: Re: Repost - Please save -- Welcome message and list etiquette
From: Jim Sealy Jr
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 06:17:46 -0600
Paula,
If it would help any I can add the welcome message and a couple of
buttons to push on the archive pages for [subscribe] and [unsubscribe]
like we use for the Frontier Status Report
(http://www.FrontierStatus.com)
Then you could just post the link on your sig file on messages.
Jim
S & S Aqua Farm wrote:
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Subject: Re: Repost - Please save -- Welcome message and list etiquette
From: Jim Sealy Jr
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 07:05:02 -0600
Oops... Guess I need to read that message again myself.. Especially the
part about checking the reply to address before hitting send.... Oh
well... I've updated the index page and will add a couple more months
messages to the archive today in penance.
Jim
Jim Sealy Jr wrote:
>
> Paula,
> If it would help any
> Jim
>
> S & S Aqua Farm wrote:
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Subject: introduction and request for information
From: "beacnhrt"
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 07:48:29 -0600
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Hi everyone,
My name is Melvin Landers. During the late 1960's I was an =
agricultural missionary in the Upper Amazon River Basin. Since then I =
have developed a cropping rotation using deep beds of organic matter =
which can replace slash and burn practices. I call it the Mayan Method =
because, I believe, it is similar to the method used in the Classic =
Mayan Period to feed millions of people in the Yukatan. The Maya grew =
crops on levies in the swamps and raised snapping turtles in the water =
between the levies. I have been informing people about this method and =
have just set up a web site with the information posted. But, there is =
no information on the site about aquaculture because I know nothing =
about it.=20
Paula has informed me about some possible resources and I will soon =
be visiting S & S. But she also suggested I ask you folks for advice. I =
would very much like to offer information about raising either turtles =
or fish. That is, if there is a fish that can take stagnant murky water =
such as would be found in ditches dug between growing beds without =
oxygenating equipment. The people who will be using this system are =
subsistance farmers who can not afford equipment of any kind. If this is =
impossible, just tell me and I will concentrate on turtle culture. If it =
is possible I could use every bit of information you can give me.
Mel =20
P.S. http://members.tripod.com/melvinlanders is my web site.
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Hi everyone,
My name is Melvin Landers. During =
the late=20
1960's I was an agricultural missionary in the Upper Amazon River Basin. =
Since=20
then I have developed a cropping rotation using deep beds of organic =
matter=20
which can replace slash and burn practices. I call it the Mayan Method =
because,=20
I believe, it is similar to the method used in the Classic Mayan Period =
to feed=20
millions of people in the Yukatan. The Maya grew crops on =
levies in=20
the swamps and raised snapping turtles in the water between the levies. =
I have=20
been informing people about this method and have just set up a web =
site=20
with the information posted. But, there is no information on the site =
about=20
aquaculture because I know nothing about it.
Paula has informed me about =
some=20
possible resources and I will soon be visiting S & S. But she =
also=20
suggested I ask you folks for advice. I would very much like to offer=20
information about raising either turtles or fish. That is, if there =
is a=20
fish that can take stagnant murky water such as would be found in =
ditches dug=20
between growing beds without oxygenating equipment. The people who =
will be=20
using this system are subsistance farmers who can not afford =
equipment of=20
any kind. If this is impossible, just tell me and I will concentrate on =
turtle=20
culture. If it is possible I could use every bit of information you can =
give=20
me.
Mel
P.S. http://members.tripod.co=
m/melvinlanders is=20
my web site.
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Subject: Re: [Fwd: Fw: PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE READ!]]
From: Jim Sealy Jr
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 08:15:59 -0600
Pleeeeeeeeeese follow the link below before you post anything like this
to a mailing list...
http://www.urbanmyths.com/email_aolintel.html
Jim Sealy Jr..
PS: The hardware store downtown is running a 2-for-1 special on
do-it-yourself JATO kits and 200 MPG carbs...
> Chris Weaver wrote:
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
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> Subject: Fw: PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE READ!]
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Subject: Re: [Fwd: Fw: PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE READ!]]
From: Marc & Marcy
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 07:09:45 -0700
> Chris Weaver wrote:
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
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> Subject: Fw: PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE READ!]
> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:20:28 -0600
> From: "Norm Morrison"
> To: "The Kairos" ,
> "Tara Lockett" ,
I would appreciate no more pyramid hoaxes like this be sent
to me anymore. No one is running any tests and noone is
sending anyone a penny.
Dumb hoaxes like his have been running around for years and
NONE of them are for real. Not a single one.
I suggest anyone wanting to foward a "TRUE" message bother
to check out it's validity at:
http://www.networkassociates.com/asp_set/anti_virus/alerts/intro.asp
before putting garbage in my mailbox.
Marc
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Subject: Urban legends - fowarded from OGL
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 08:28:00 -0600
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:43:30 -0700
From: "Lon J. Rombough"
Subject: OT: Thank you somebody!
To: OGL@LSV.UKY.EDU
This is something that should be published on EVERY list once in a while for
those members who are tempted to forward something they have gotten "on good
authority".
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>Whoever decided to create this note and forward it on should receive
>some type of humanitarian award. It would be hopeful, yet doubtful, that
>this will clean up some of the junk that comes across the net. Think
>about it. . .
>
>1. Big companies don't do business via chain letter. Bill Gates is not
>giving you $1000, and Disney is not giving you a free vacation. There is
>no baby food company issuing class-action checks. Procter and Gamble is
>not part of a satanic cult or scheme, and its logo is not satanic. MTV
>will not give you backstage passes if you forward something to the most
>people. You can relax; there is no need to pass it on "just in case it's
>true". Furthermore, just because someone said in a message, four
>generations back, that "we checked it out and it's legit", does not
>actually make it true.
>
>2. There is no kidney theft ring in New Orleans. No one is waking up in
>a bathtub full of ice, even if a friend of a friend swears it happened
>to their cousin. If you are hell-bent on believing the kidney-theft ring
>stories, please see:
>http://urbanlegends.tqn.com/library/weekly/aa062997.htm
>http://urbanlegends.tqn.com/library/weekly/aa062997.htm And I quote:
>"The National Kidney Foundation has repeatedly issued requests for
>actual victims of organ thieves to come forward and tell their stories.
>None have." That's "none" as in "zero". Not even your friend's cousin.
>
>3. Neiman Marcus doesn't really sell a $200 cookie recipe. And even if
>they do, we all have it. And even if you don't, you can get a copy at:
>http://www.bl.net/forwards/cookie.html
>http://www.bl.net/forwards/cookie.html
>Then, if you make the recipe, decide the cookies are that awesome, feel free
>to
>pass the recipe on.
>
>4. If the latest NASA rocket disaster(s) DID contain plutonium that went
>to particulate over the eastern seaboard, do you REALLY think this
>information would reach the public via an AOL chainletter?
>
>5. There is no "Good Times" virus. In fact, you should never, ever, ever
>forward any email containing any virus warning unless you first confirm
>that an actual site of an actual company that actually deals with
>viruses. Try: http://www.norton.com
>And even then, don't forward it. We don't care. And you cannot get a
>virus from a flashing IM or email, you have to download....ya know,
>like, a FILE!
>
>6. There is no gang initiation plot to murder any motorist who flashes
>headlights at another car driving at night without lights.
>
>7. If you're using Outlook, IE, or Netscape to write email, turn off the
>"HTML encoding." Those of us on Unix shells can't read it, and don't
> care enough to save the attachment and then view it with a web browser,
>since you're probably forwarding us a copy of the Neiman Marcus Cookie
> Recipe anyway.
>
>8. If you still absolutely MUST forward that 10th-generation message
>from a friend, at least have the decency to trim the eight miles of
>headers showing everyone else who's received it over the last 6 months.
>It sure wouldn't hurt to get rid of all the ">" that begin each line.
>Besides, if it has gone around that many times we've probably already
> seen it.
>
>9. Craig Shergold (or Sherwood, or Sherman, etc.) in England is not
>dying of cancer or anything else at this time and would like everyone to
>stop sending him their business cards. He apparently is no longer a
>"little boy" either.
>
>10. The "Make a Wish" foundation is a real organization doing fine work,
>but they have had to establish a special toll free hot line in response
>to the large number of Internet hoaxes using their good name and
>reputation. It is distracting them from the important work they do.
>
>11. If you are one of those insufferable idiots who forwards anything
>that "promises" something bad will happen if you "don't," then something
>bad will happen to you if I ever meet you in a dark alley.
>
>12. Women really are suffering in Afghanistan, and PBS and NEA funding
>are still vulnerable to attack (although not at the present time) but
>forwarding an e-mail won't help either cause in the least. If you want
>to help, contact your local legislative representative, or get in touch
>with Amnesty International or the Red Cross. As a general rule, e-mail
>"signatures" are easily faked and mean nothing to anyone with any power
> to do anything about whatever the competition is complaining about.
>(P.S.: There is no bill pending before Congress that will allow long
>distance companies to charge you for using the Internet.)
>
>Bottom Line... composing e-mail or posting something on the Net is as
>easy as writing on the walls of a public restroom. Don't automatically
>believe it until it's proven false... ASSUME it's false, unless there is
>proof that it's true.
>
>Now, forward this message to ten friends, and you will win the Publishers
>Clearing House sweepstakes.
13. Manufacturers do not put asbestos in tampons to make women bleed more.
14. Canola oil probably isn't particularly good for you (it's genetically
engineered after all) but it is not what mustard gas is made from (mustard
gas was named for the color, not the plant).
15. The dangers of aspartame report attributed to Nancy Markle was really
written by Betty Martini in 1995. No one knows who Nancy Markle is. The
information in the report is basically correct but we've all seen it 100
times already so stop forwarding it. You can find more recent articles by
Betty Martini and others at http://www.dorway.com
16. Yes you can get HIV if you handle a contaminated needle but people do
not leave needles in pay phone coin return slots or movie theater seats
along with notes saying "welcome to the world of AIDS."
17. Those of us with chemical sensitivities know that you should not impair
sweating while you are detoxing and that the chemicals used in
anti-perspirant and deodorant aren't all that nontoxic but using
anti-perspirant does not give you breast cancer.
18. Any, and I mean any, email promising a prize to you or money to a
nonprofit or anything for anyone if you flood an email address with letters
or a website with hits is a hoax (and sometimes one designed to hurt the
supposed recipient by overwhelming their server).
There are plenty of others but, basically, any story you didn't write
yourself is likely to be a hoax, so check it out before you send it along.
Cyndi
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Subject: RE: A murder mystery
From: wills/nachreiner
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:45:36 -0600
Now that we have the dictionary figured out can you tell me more about how
the mantoids do their work? Do they catch the adult "flies" (actually they
are members of the mosquito family -- not to be confused with the Ollivers)
or do they eat eggs or larvae? If the latter, can the stand in the muck?
Will they find something else to eat if the flies are gone? A big if but
wonderful prospect.
Eliminating the moist dark spots seems impossible. The plants are water
bourne.
I dont think the flies would be attracted to dead meat. We have tried
liver and pheronomes without success. Moreover, both the appearance and
aroma of dead cow heads would probably detract form our business image and
tourism. (as do flies up the nose). Thanks for the comments.
No ideas out there about the mussels? I'm surprised.
Bob
Box185 Plain,Wi 53577
(608) 546-2712
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Subject: Re: Introduction
From: wills/nachreiner
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:32:57 -0600
At 08:00 PM 2/16/2000 EST, you wrote:
>Hello everyone,
>My name is Evan Sohm, and I've been lurking on this list now for several
>months. I find the material very interesting and came across this list
while
>doing a websearch on Tilapia after hearing a radio spot on NPR describing
>some genetically improved (?) Tilapia Aquaculture work going on at Yale?
>
>The warm water requirement, and fish production aspect of this business
>sparked my interest in this as a potential business for a new eco-industrial
>park being built in my town where a 750 MW electrical co-generation power
>plant will be built in 2002. This power plant will serve as the anchor
>facility for this "park" and will provide waste steam to the surrounding
>businesses for whatever their "eco-industrial" purposes might be. Up here
in
>cold New England, where we are losing much of the fish stocks off Georges
>Bank due to overfishing, it seemed possible that one could start a business
>in an eco-industrial park that utilizes the waste steam from the power plant
>to heat the aquaponics operation. This would give us great quality fresh
>produce and fish all year long, without depleting the ocean stocks currently
>in decline.
>
Just wondering about what you will get from the utility. Will it be a
continuous flow of warm clean water? If so then you will have water
discharge and will have to make sure that the discharge meets effluent
limits. This should be possible with an aquaponics system using the plant
section as a scrubber to take care of nutrients you add for the fish and
that the fish add to the water. You will want to design in such a way that
the authorities are satisfied that you cannot have escape of fish. In
other words, don't have the fish at the end of the process. Maybe this was
too obvious to mention.
You need to figure out how much of the fish nutrients you can provide from
what you grow in the plant section and how much you will have for
additional nutrient costs. Then you need to figure out what the value of
the fish sales and the additional produce will be after marketing costs and
unforeseen losses. And you have to be careful that the plants don't
require aditng nutrients or medicinals that will create water discharge
issues.
Sounds like a great idea. Let us know more.
Box185 Plain,Wi 53577
(608) 546-2712
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Subject: Re: [Fwd: Fw: PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE READ!]]
From: Chris Weaver
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:27:20 -0500
Dear All:
I would like to take this opportunity to apologize for the erroneous
submission of an e-mail from me to this list. Unfortunately, my daughter
received my e-mail before me and thought the original post was for her.
She then forwarded it to everyone on her e-mail list as well as my own. I
am decisively opposed to this type of submission being forwarded to any
list. I subscribe to 4 lists and accumulate 30-50 e-mail messages per day
and find it increasingly difficult to weed out all of the personal and spam
messages that inadvertently find their way onto the list.
Please accept my sincerest apology for the inconvenience.
Jim Sealy Jr wrote:
> Pleeeeeeeeeese follow the link below before you post anything like this
> to a mailing list...
> http://www.urbanmyths.com/email_aolintel.html
>
> Jim Sealy Jr..
>
> PS: The hardware store downtown is running a 2-for-1 special on
> do-it-yourself JATO kits and 200 MPG carbs...
>
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Subject: Re: A murder mystery
From: Doug Peckenpaugh
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:37:09 -0800
Bob:
When we were children, a friend and I used to raise mantises in the Chicago
area--both in the garden and in captivity (terrarium). They prefer to catch
and eat live insects but will also eat eggs. They're pretty close to the top
of the insect ladder but birds find them rather attractive prey. I don't know
if they would take to a mucky environment but they aren't strangers to water.
One aspect to note: Mantises are fierce cannibals. We had to separate the
mother from her young as soon as they hatched or she would gobble them all up
(she also ate the father, which we permitted). It's common for the female to
kill the male just after or during mating.
--Doug
wills/nachreiner wrote:
> Now that we have the dictionary figured out can you tell me more about how
> the mantoids do their work? Do they catch the adult "flies" (actually they
> are members of the mosquito family -- not to be confused with the Ollivers)
> or do they eat eggs or larvae? If the latter, can the stand in the muck?
> Will they find something else to eat if the flies are gone? A big if but
> wonderful prospect.
>
> Eliminating the moist dark spots seems impossible. The plants are water
> bourne.
>
> I dont think the flies would be attracted to dead meat. We have tried
> liver and pheronomes without success. Moreover, both the appearance and
> aroma of dead cow heads would probably detract form our business image and
> tourism. (as do flies up the nose). Thanks for the comments.
>
> No ideas out there about the mussels? I'm surprised.
>
> Bob
>
> Box185 Plain,Wi 53577
> (608) 546-2712
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Subject: RE: introduction and request for information
From: "Ron Brooks"
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:19:09 -0500
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A couple of quick thoughts on this
A small inexpensive dissolved oxygen kit will tell you in rough terms what
the oxygen content of the water is. From there recommendations for fish type
will be possible. I would take at least three readings. Once first thing in
the morning when the sun is just starting to come up , this should be the
lowest level the oxygen drops to. Once in mid day when the sun is shining ,
and once a couple of hours after dark has fallen .
One thing to remember is if you add fish , any algae and will be eaten ,
which should help with the stagnation. Plus a low tech method of aeration
could be as simple as having the children run and splash in the dikes
several times a day or to a simple windmill design made up of cut 55 gallon
drums attached to a paddle at the waters surface.
That is the quick thoughts off the top of my head
Ron
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From: aquaponics
[mailto:aquaponics]On Behalf Of beacnhrt
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 8:48 AM
To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
Subject: introduction and request for information
Hi everyone,
My name is Melvin Landers. During the late 1960's I was an agricultural
missionary in the Upper Amazon River Basin. Since then I have developed a
cropping rotation using deep beds of organic matter which can replace slash
and burn practices. I call it the Mayan Method because, I believe, it is
similar to the method used in the Classic Mayan Period to feed millions of
people in the Yukatan. The Maya grew crops on levies in the swamps and
raised snapping turtles in the water between the levies. I have been
informing people about this method and have just set up a web site with the
information posted. But, there is no information on the site about
aquaculture because I know nothing about it.
Paula has informed me about some possible resources and I will soon be
visiting S & S. But she also suggested I ask you folks for advice. I would
very much like to offer information about raising either turtles or fish.
That is, if there is a fish that can take stagnant murky water such as would
be found in ditches dug between growing beds without oxygenating equipment.
The people who will be using this system are subsistance farmers who can not
afford equipment of any kind. If this is impossible, just tell me and I will
concentrate on turtle culture. If it is possible I could use every bit of
information you can give me.
Mel
P.S. http://members.tripod.com/melvinlanders is my web site.
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oxygen content of the water is. From there recommendations for fish type =
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possible. I would take at least three readings. Once first thing in the =
morning=20
when the sun is just starting to come up , this should be the lowest =
level the=20
oxygen drops to. Once in mid day when the sun is shining , and once a =
couple of=20
hours after dark has fallen .
One=20
thing to remember is if you add fish , any algae and will be eaten , =
which=20
should help with the stagnation. Plus a low tech method of aeration =
could be as=20
simple as having the children run and splash in the dikes several times =
a day or=20
to a simple windmill design made up of cut 55 gallon drums attached =
to a=20
paddle at the waters surface.
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is the quick thoughts off the top of my head
Ron
Hi everyone,
My name is Melvin Landers. During =
the late=20
1960's I was an agricultural missionary in the Upper Amazon River =
Basin. Since=20
then I have developed a cropping rotation using deep beds of organic =
matter=20
which can replace slash and burn practices. I call it the Mayan Method =
because, I believe, it is similar to the method used in the Classic =
Mayan=20
Period to feed millions of people in the Yukatan. The =
Maya grew=20
crops on levies in the swamps and raised snapping turtles in the water =
between=20
the levies. I have been informing people about this method =
and have just=20
set up a web site with the information posted. But, there is no =
information on=20
the site about aquaculture because I know nothing about=20
it.
Paula has informed me about =
some=20
possible resources and I will soon be visiting S & S. But she =
also=20
suggested I ask you folks for advice. I would very much like to offer=20
information about raising either turtles or fish. That is, if =
there is a=20
fish that can take stagnant murky water such as would be found in =
ditches dug=20
between growing beds without oxygenating equipment. The people =
who will=20
be using this system are subsistance farmers who can not afford =
equipment=20
of any kind. If this is impossible, just tell me and I will =
concentrate on=20
turtle culture. If it is possible I could use every bit of information =
you can=20
give me.
Mel
P.S. http://members.tripod.co=
m/melvinlanders is=20
my web site.
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Subject: Re: A murder mystery
From: "Bennett"
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 18:15:49 -0500
How about adopting a pet duck to eat the flies?
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Subject: Re: Fwd. Or rotting meat
From: "Steve"
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 21:42:01 -0600
Hi Don,
This is an o.k. idea (I guess), but there is a guy down in Alapaha, Ga who
has the ultimate in this. I forget the name of it right now even though I
have two of them over my pond. They are "bug lights" without the zapper.
They have a wire suspended below the lights that spins and knocks the bugs
into the water.....instant and free fish food. besides that, they are
incredibly cool to watch......and the "big ole" catfish just go gulp. bulp,
burp...really cool. I wholeheartedly recommend them to anyone who has a
pond.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "S & S Aqua Farm"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 7:22 AM
Subject: Fwd. Or rotting meat
> >From:
> >Subject: Or rotting meat
> >Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 19:31:47 -0800
> >
> >Hi to all
> >
> >Dale your letter about the bug zapper made me think of one feeding method
> that I came across. It was used in ponds a wire line was hung across the
> pond and animal parts (cow heads in this case) were hung over the ponds
out
> of wild animals reach. As the meat deteriorated fly's laid eggs, I'm sure
> you all know the cycle, so the maggots, which are a very high protein
> source, became sort of an automatic feeder. Seemed to work out very well
> cept the down wind side would be pretty strong.
> >
> >see ya all
> >Don
>
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Subject: Re: Local Tilapia markets, was Re: catfish!!
From: "Steve"
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 21:47:27 -0600
Paula,
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I think we have such a "super
cool" moderator for this list. I think you are great and I gain a lot of
invaluable information from your comments. I have tried to get a few of my
"hydroponic" friends to just take a look at our list. Theirs is nowhere as
active as ours.......
Later...... :)..... Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "S & S Aqua Farm"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 8:09 AM
Subject: Local Tilapia markets, was Re: catfish!!
> At 01:52 AM 02/16/2000 -0600, Steve wrote:
> >Hi Judy,
> >
> >I know you are out there somewhere. I lost your original message, but it
> had something to do with raising catfish in "cage culture" or recirc
systems
> or something like that. Besides raising Tilapia in an indoor environment
(I
> live in Wisconsin.), I also have an outside pond...not very big...only
about
> a 1/2 acre...but it is stocked with Perch, Bluegills and "Catfish".
>
> >Back to your catfish, I'm not excited about them at all. If you will
raise
> Tilapia and do a little bit of marketing...just get people to try
them...you
> will be amazed. I am fortunate that I live in an area where there is a
large
> Asian population. Tilapia is very popular in all warm climates, but the
> people here in the US have to settle for frozen Tilapia fillets. They
would
> much rather have "fresh" fish...AND tell you a secret. I am selling whole
> Tilapia for more $ than there is in Tilapia fillets......and I don't even
> have to fillet them...WOW......what a deal!
> >Raise Tilapia and not catfish........you will make more money and have
fun
> in the process!
> >
>
>
>
> Steve - I think Judy's inquiry was from the Aqua-culture@onelist.com mail
> group, but thanks for the comments about your operation and success with
> Tilapia in your own region. We've found local sales to be the most
> beneficial also.
>
> Paula
> S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
> Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
>
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Subject:
From: "Steve"
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 22:08:39 -0600
Paula,
I don't understand your message about my messages being garbled. I have
checked them on 2 different servers and they seem fine. I'm not doubting
you, I just don't understand.
I am cc'ing this message to 2 friends to see if they receive them o.k. Dunk
& Mark, if you receive these messages o.k. would you let me know one way or
the other.
Thanks.......Steve
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Subject: Re: Local Tilapia markets, was Re: catfish!!
From: "Bennett"
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 23:18:51 -0500
>I've said it before and I'll say it again. I think we have such a "super
>cool" moderator for this list. I think you are great and I gain a lot of
>invaluable information from your comments. I have tried to get a few of my
>
I second this! Paula, you do a wonderful job. It's nice that
you're willing to talk about other systems as well as your
own. But it's just great that you go out of your way to help
us all whether for aquaponic problems or web/internet
problems. Thank you very much.
Donna
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Subject: Re: Fwd. Or rotting meat
From: "Steve"
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 22:10:59 -0600
Hi Don,
Just remembered. They are called "Bug Lights"...duh!!! The place is called
"Ken's Fish Farm" out of Alapaha, Ga.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd. Or rotting meat
> Hi Don,
>
> This is an o.k. idea (I guess), but there is a guy down in Alapaha, Ga who
> has the ultimate in this. I forget the name of it right now even though I
> have two of them over my pond. They are "bug lights" without the zapper.
> They have a wire suspended below the lights that spins and knocks the bugs
> into the water.....instant and free fish food. besides that, they are
> incredibly cool to watch......and the "big ole" catfish just go gulp.
bulp,
> burp...really cool. I wholeheartedly recommend them to anyone who has a
> pond.
>
> Steve
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "S & S Aqua Farm"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 7:22 AM
> Subject: Fwd. Or rotting meat
>
>
> > >From:
> > >Subject: Or rotting meat
> > >Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 19:31:47 -0800
> > >
> > >Hi to all
> > >
> > >Dale your letter about the bug zapper made me think of one feeding
method
> > that I came across. It was used in ponds a wire line was hung across the
> > pond and animal parts (cow heads in this case) were hung over the ponds
> out
> > of wild animals reach. As the meat deteriorated fly's laid eggs, I'm
sure
> > you all know the cycle, so the maggots, which are a very high protein
> > source, became sort of an automatic feeder. Seemed to work out very well
> > cept the down wind side would be pretty strong.
> > >
> > >see ya all
> > >Don
> >
>
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Subject: Re: A murder mystery
From: "Steve"
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 22:48:12 -0600
As my mama once told me, "It ain't proper to say "ain't". And now I live
with some wonderful folks who "unthaw" things...just drives me crazy...but
if you love them...then you "unthaw" things.....
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Brown"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 9:53 PM
Subject: RE: A murder mystery
> I bow to general use, there are various and misapplied uses of the plural
> and while I'm against the use of the word "ain't" it now exists as a word
in
> some dictionaries. Let us return to our non-nit-picking standards. I
will
> understand the use of mantises, etc and that is the purpose of
> communication. I really only meant a little tongue in cheek. The
research
> was quite interesting and could provide both of us with ammunition for a
> long time.
>
> William Brown mahiwai@cmpmail.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aquaponics
> [mailto:aquaponics]On Behalf Of Sam Levy
> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 1:16 PM
> To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
> Subject: RE: A murder mystery
>
>
> >From: "William Brown"
>
> >references that it is Mantids in English.
> >
>
> >Scientific classification: Mantids make up the order Mantodea.
> >
>
> william,
>
> "mantids" is plural in the sense that it refers to all the species of
> mantis, the plural for an individual species --according to webster-- is
> either "manitises" or "mantes" (long e)
>
> sam
>
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>
>
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Subject: Re: introduction and request for information
From: "Steve"
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 23:06:22 -0600
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Pls. chg. to black type. The blue type is hard on the eyes.
Thanks.......Steve
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ron Brooks=20
To: aquaponics@townsqr.com=20
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 12:19 PM
Subject: RE: introduction and request for information
A couple of quick thoughts on this
=20
A small inexpensive dissolved oxygen kit will tell you in rough terms =
what the oxygen content of the water is. From there recommendations for =
fish type will be possible. I would take at least three readings. Once =
first thing in the morning when the sun is just starting to come up , =
this should be the lowest level the oxygen drops to. Once in mid day =
when the sun is shining , and once a couple of hours after dark has =
fallen .
One thing to remember is if you add fish , any algae and will be eaten =
, which should help with the stagnation. Plus a low tech method of =
aeration could be as simple as having the children run and splash in the =
dikes several times a day or to a simple windmill design made up of cut =
55 gallon drums attached to a paddle at the waters surface.
=20
That is the quick thoughts off the top of my head
=20
Ron
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From: aquaponics =
[mailto:aquaponics]On Behalf Of beacnhrt
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 8:48 AM
To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
Subject: introduction and request for information
Hi everyone,
My name is Melvin Landers. During the late 1960's I was an =
agricultural missionary in the Upper Amazon River Basin. Since then I =
have developed a cropping rotation using deep beds of organic matter =
which can replace slash and burn practices. I call it the Mayan Method =
because, I believe, it is similar to the method used in the Classic =
Mayan Period to feed millions of people in the Yukatan. The Maya grew =
crops on levies in the swamps and raised snapping turtles in the water =
between the levies. I have been informing people about this method and =
have just set up a web site with the information posted. But, there is =
no information on the site about aquaculture because I know nothing =
about it.=20
Paula has informed me about some possible resources and I will =
soon be visiting S & S. But she also suggested I ask you folks for =
advice. I would very much like to offer information about raising either =
turtles or fish. That is, if there is a fish that can take stagnant =
murky water such as would be found in ditches dug between growing beds =
without oxygenating equipment. The people who will be using this system =
are subsistance farmers who can not afford equipment of any kind. If =
this is impossible, just tell me and I will concentrate on turtle =
culture. If it is possible I could use every bit of information you can =
give me.
Mel =20
P.S. http://members.tripod.com/melvinlanders is my web site.
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Pls. chg. to black type. The blue type =
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the eyes.
Thanks.......Steve
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Ron=20
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To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
Sent: Thursday, February 17, =
2000 12:19=20
PM
Subject: RE: introduction and =
request for=20
information
A=20
couple of quick thoughts on this
A=20
small inexpensive dissolved oxygen kit will tell you in rough terms =
what the=20
oxygen content of the water is. From there recommendations for fish =
type will=20
be possible. I would take at least three readings. Once first thing in =
the=20
morning when the sun is just starting to come up , this should be the =
lowest=20
level the oxygen drops to. Once in mid day when the sun is shining , =
and once=20
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thing to remember is if you add fish , any algae and will be eaten , =
which=20
should help with the stagnation. Plus a low tech method of aeration =
could be=20
as simple as having the children run and splash in the dikes several =
times a=20
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drums attached to a paddle at the waters =
surface.
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My name is Melvin Landers. =
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River=20
Basin. Since then I have developed a cropping rotation using deep =
beds of=20
organic matter which can replace slash and burn practices. I call it =
the=20
Mayan Method because, I believe, it is similar to the method used in =
the=20
Classic Mayan Period to feed millions of people in the Yukatan. =
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turtles in=20
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this method=20
and have just set up a web site with the information posted. =
But, there=20
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nothing=20
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Paula has informed me =
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possible resources and I will soon be visiting S & S. But =
she also=20
suggested I ask you folks for advice. I would very much like to =
offer=20
information about raising either turtles or fish. That is, if =
there is=20
a fish that can take stagnant murky water such as would be found in =
ditches=20
dug between growing beds without oxygenating equipment. The =
people who=20
will be using this system are subsistance farmers who can not =
afford=20
equipment of any kind. If this is impossible, just tell me and I =
will=20
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my web site.
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Subject: Re: A murder mystery
From: "Steve"
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 23:11:03 -0600
God help us with the clowns that are getting on this list.
In reference to the guy, I forget his name, who talked about setting up a
"bug zapper" in his green house to take care of the flies. I tried something
and it worked. How about some tape with the "sticky-side" out. I'm
capturing, killing, several flies ea. night.
Just a thought.......SS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bennett"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: A murder mystery
> How about adopting a pet duck to eat the flies?
>
>
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Subject: Re: Local Tilapia markets, was Re: catfish!!
From: "Steve"
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 23:13:29 -0600
AMEN!!
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bennett"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: Local Tilapia markets, was Re: catfish!!
> >I've said it before and I'll say it again. I think we have such a "super
> >cool" moderator for this list. I think you are great and I gain a lot of
> >invaluable information from your comments. I have tried to get a few of
my
> >
> I second this! Paula, you do a wonderful job. It's nice that
> you're willing to talk about other systems as well as your
> own. But it's just great that you go out of your way to help
> us all whether for aquaponic problems or web/internet
> problems. Thank you very much.
> Donna
>
>
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Subject:
From: "Steve"
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 23:16:00 -0600
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Hi Paula,
Both of my people said they received my messages o.k.
Steve
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Steve
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Subject: Re: System discussion, was Re: Introduction and questions
From: "Sam Levy"
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 21:46:24 PST
>In order to use a "small-volume pump", I thought perhaps other methods
>would
>have to be used to provide oxygen supplementation; and was curious how much
>additional equipment would be necessary.
>
>Paula
the real question of additional equipment is ultimately the question of
dissolced oxygen in the culture water--no getting around it, anyone who
raises fish intensively must monitor the DO levels--both in ppm & in %.
i believe that for tilapia, the DO should not drop below 3 ppm--& preferably
above 4.8.
as a general rule, strive to keep the culture water between 70 - 80% or
above.
sam
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Subject: Re: introduction and request for information
From: "Sam Levy"
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 21:54:59 PST
That is, if there is a fish that can take stagnant murky water such as would
be found in ditches dug between growing beds without oxygenating equipment.
The people who will be using this system are subsistance farmers who can not
afford equipment of any kind.
>Mel
the fish i know of that could possibly take the water you describe would be
the following:
the anabantoids--gouramis, bettas ("siamese fighting fish), and some
others--primarily ornamentals but some gouramis are culturable as food fish
clarias (african) catfish--there is a lot of literature available on the
culture of these guys BUT if it's not endemic to your area there might be a
problem w/importing (i think they can be pretty obnoxious pests under
certain conditions).
the above only relates to low oxygen--pH, hardness, &c can also be a
consideration.
sam
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