Aquaponics Digest - Thu 12/11/97
Message 1: To put list on Hold
from "Ricardo A. L. Brito"
Message 2: Re: economics/sustainability of production
from "Lloyd R. Prentice"
Message 3: Re: To put list on Hold
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 4: Re: perlite Post
from FranksFarm
Message 5: Adaptable Systems - was economics/sustainability of production
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 6: Re: economics/sustainability of production
from GROMAXaz
Message 7: Re: economics/sustainability of production
from "H.Doelle"
Message 8: Re: Adaptable Systems - was economics/sustainability of
production
from "H.Doelle"
Message 9: Plant crop questions.
from "Paul V. Wojcik"
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Subject: To put list on Hold
From: "Ricardo A. L. Brito"
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:59:59 -0200 (EDT)
Dear Paula (List Manager)
Is there a way to put the on Hold? I am about to go on leave and =
would like to put it on hold until I=B4m back. If possible, how should I =
proceed?
Regards
Ricardo Brito
EMBRAPA, Brazil.
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Subject: Re: economics/sustainability of production
From: "Lloyd R. Prentice"
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:36:04 -0800
Jack Rowe wrote:
>
> In Asia, fish
> ponds receive much of their necessary phosphorous and calcium from animal,
> human and bird manures, with animal pens and even latrines placed where
> effluents reach the shallow, low-trophic (phyto- and zoo-plankton
> producing) areas of fish ponds.
I have read that some of these systems are implicated in the evolution
of influenza viruses. Anybody know more?
Best wishes,
Lloyd R. Prentice
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Subject: Re: To put list on Hold
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 08:04:37 -0600
At 10:59 AM 12/11/97 -0200, you wrote:
> Dear Paula (List Manager)
>
> Is there a way to put the on Hold? I am about to go on leave and=20
>would like to put it on hold until I=B4m back. If possible, how should I=20
>proceed?
> Regards
>
> Ricardo Brito
> EMBRAPA, Brazil.
Ricardo (and others) - I would suggest you unsubscribe for the time you'll
be away. I retain the digest version of the list, and would be happy to
send it to you upon your return if you'll e-mail me the dates you miss.
Enjoy your leave.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: Re: perlite Post
From: FranksFarm
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:30:53 EST
Hi,
Just wanted to thank Donald Trotter of The Organic Resource Centre for the
outstanding post on Perlite! Way to go.
Does your Centre have a web address? I'd love to visit it. Best wishes. frank
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Subject: Adaptable Systems - was economics/sustainability of production
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:53:29 -0600
At 12:04 AM 12/11/97 -0500, Jack Rowe wrote:
>On 12/10/07, Paula Speraneo wrote:
> We're trying to find alternative feed sources in Europe
>right now to bring the system operating costs more in line with the
>economics of Romania."
>
>I agree wholeheartedly! Economics of production is an extremely pertinent
>topic in these days when ecosystems and resource bases are under serious
>threat.
>I'm really enjoying the expertise and provocative, innovative questions and
>ideas from of the members of the list, thanks!
>Jack Rowe
Jack - thanks for the comments, and the references for the list. We hope
this list will be a great learning tool for all of us, pooling efforts to
result in quicker solutions, each in their own priority areas.
When developing our system, our primary focus was on raising fish and plants
in a synergistic system, with minimum water usage, resulting in a safe food
supply. That doesn't mean we've developed a perfect system that will work
for everyone, rather that we're using technology that's simple enough to
duplicate and transfer.
Integrated systems are being developed all around the world, for many
different reasons, with many different methods. What is acceptable and
working for one location may not work at all elsewhere.
We wanted to find a method that would work for us to produce products we
could consume and sell as "safe", while using a more natural method of
fertilization that others we had seen. When we started (with almost no
money and litle experience with successful growing systems), we used
available materials (salvaged, scrounged or borrowed). We discovered,
through trial and error, that the simpler we kept the system, the better it
worked.
Don't want to tie up the list only discussing our methods, but would be
happy to discuss further if you want.
We've found also that the list is beneficial. But then, we've always said
we benefit a great deal from questions - that's what starts the search going
isn't it?
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: Re: economics/sustainability of production
From: GROMAXaz
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 15:44:56 EST
In a message dated 97-12-11 11:02:17 EST, you write:
<< I'm really enjoying the expertise and provocative, innovative questions and
ideas from of the members of the list, thanks! Who were the 'crackpots'
yesterday are the visionaries tomorrow!
Jack Rowe >>
Great posting Jack. I'm here to learn more from guys like you.
Ben Cloud
Gromax Co.
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Subject: Re: economics/sustainability of production
From: "H.Doelle"
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:58:53 +1100
Indeed, I have seen these practices in Asia and we are working very hard to
change these practices to prevent diseases etc. ect.
Phosphorous and calcium can also be obtained after the particular manure has
been treated in digesters. The work is made so difficult because the
developed countries are sending *advisers* to these countries who support
these practices under the name of *organic feeding* or in the case of farms
under the name of *organic farming*.
The above is only save AFTER anaerobic treatment of the waste. That is the
practice we introduce now in the Pacific, how it is increasingly used in
China . We can reduce infectious diseases significantly if we use common
sense and stop knocking the production of biogas, which actually could
provide all the energy for your fish farming.
Horst Doelle
At 09:36 AM 11/12/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Jack Rowe wrote:
>>
>
>> In Asia, fish
>> ponds receive much of their necessary phosphorous and calcium from animal,
>> human and bird manures, with animal pens and even latrines placed where
>> effluents reach the shallow, low-trophic (phyto- and zoo-plankton
>> producing) areas of fish ponds.
>
>I have read that some of these systems are implicated in the evolution
>of influenza viruses. Anybody know more?
>
>Best wishes,
>
>Lloyd R. Prentice
>
>
Horst W.Doelle,D.Sc.
Director, MIRCEN-Biotechnology Brisbane
Chairman, IOBB
Hon.Member of Depts. Microbiology & Chemical Engineering
FAX: +617-38783230
Email: H.Doelle@mailbox.uq.edu.au
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Subject: Re: Adaptable Systems - was economics/sustainability of
production
From: "H.Doelle"
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:06:52 +1100
Dear Paula,
How right you are. I only find it extremely difficult to convince people
that *simple technology can work beautiful*, if properly applied. In these
days of molecular this or that, people think everything has to be computer
controlled with flashy lights all around. You may laugh, but go to
developing cvountries and you will find often that attitude. In our way of
thinking no part of Europe is underdeveloped compared with Africa and Asia.
Anyhow I fully support your ideas that we can start with simple technology
[which is also cheap] and tghen can improve later on.
Keep going
Horst Doelle
At 02:53 PM 11/12/97 -0600, you wrote:
>At 12:04 AM 12/11/97 -0500, Jack Rowe wrote:
>>On 12/10/07, Paula Speraneo wrote:
>> We're trying to find alternative feed sources in Europe
>>right now to bring the system operating costs more in line with the
>>economics of Romania."
>>
>>I agree wholeheartedly! Economics of production is an extremely pertinent
>>topic in these days when ecosystems and resource bases are under serious
>>threat.
>
>>I'm really enjoying the expertise and provocative, innovative questions and
>>ideas from of the members of the list, thanks!
>>Jack Rowe
>
>Jack - thanks for the comments, and the references for the list. We hope
>this list will be a great learning tool for all of us, pooling efforts to
>result in quicker solutions, each in their own priority areas.
>
>When developing our system, our primary focus was on raising fish and plants
>in a synergistic system, with minimum water usage, resulting in a safe food
>supply. That doesn't mean we've developed a perfect system that will work
>for everyone, rather that we're using technology that's simple enough to
>duplicate and transfer.
>
>Integrated systems are being developed all around the world, for many
>different reasons, with many different methods. What is acceptable and
>working for one location may not work at all elsewhere.
>
>We wanted to find a method that would work for us to produce products we
>could consume and sell as "safe", while using a more natural method of
>fertilization that others we had seen. When we started (with almost no
>money and litle experience with successful growing systems), we used
>available materials (salvaged, scrounged or borrowed). We discovered,
>through trial and error, that the simpler we kept the system, the better it
>worked.
>
>Don't want to tie up the list only discussing our methods, but would be
>happy to discuss further if you want.
>
>We've found also that the list is beneficial. But then, we've always said
>we benefit a great deal from questions - that's what starts the search going
>isn't it?
>
>Paula
>
>S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
>Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
>
>
>
Horst W.Doelle,D.Sc.
Director, MIRCEN-Biotechnology Brisbane
Chairman, IOBB
Hon.Member of Depts. Microbiology & Chemical Engineering
FAX: +617-38783230
Email: H.Doelle@mailbox.uq.edu.au
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Subject: Plant crop questions.
From: "Paul V. Wojcik"
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:21:19 -0500
Hi,
I'm setting up a small 14'x20' NFT hydroponic greenhouse for year-round
lettuce and basil production.
I was curious about what the commercial growers on the list were
growing. I'm in South Carolina and my current business keeps me so
busy that any new venture will be very part-time for quite a few years.
I won't be a competitive threat to anyone, even those in South Carolina.
Any information will be greatly appreciated. If you don't want to
answer this to the general list then please Email me directly. Any
direct responses will be kept confidential. Don't even tell me what
state you are in.
I was wondering...
What is the best market in your area, farmers markets, grocery stores,
restaurants, or somewhere else?
Are your herbs dry or fresh?
How do you package your vegetables & herbs?
Where do you get thin plastic clamshell boxes and other packaging for
herbs?
What price do you get for your various herbs?
If you grow basil, what varieties do you grow?
Are there any value-added products that you make with your herbs or
vegetables?
Anything else you want to add?
Thanks,
Paul
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