Aquaponics Digest - Sat 01/23/99
Message 1: Re: Chicken Poop
from MajorDad38
Message 2: Re: unsubscribe
from "Susanne Machler"
Message 3: Animal waste
from Colin Johnston
Message 4: Chicken Poop
from Colin Johnston
Message 5:
from "Michael Cahill"
Message 6: Re: Ted
from Dave Miller
Message 7: RE: Chicken Poop
from "Donna Fezler"
Message 8: Poultry Poop
from Colin Johnston
Message 9: Ted
from Colin Johnston
Message 10: Re: safe fertilizer
from Jon Hays
Message 11:
from "Palchik"
Message 12: Re: Chicken Poop
from William Evans
Message 13: Re: Pennyfish
from Gordon Watkins
Message 14: Flu Vaccines
from William Evans
Message 15: Re: Pennyfish
from Adriana Gutierrez
Message 16: Re: Chicken Poop
from jilli and lars
Message 17: Re: Ted
from doelle
Message 18: Re: Ted
from Adriana Gutierrez
Message 19: Organics Gaining Ground Approval
from Dave Miller
Message 20: Message length
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 21: Re: Organics Gaining Ground Approval
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 22: Missouri Organic Assn. Conference
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 23: Re: Organics Gaining Ground Approval
from Gordon Watkins
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Subject: Re: Chicken Poop
From: MajorDad38
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 01:14:39 EST
In a message dated 1/22/99 4:18:06 PM Pacific Standard Time,
doelle@ozemail.com.au writes:
<< Biogas digesters are inexpensive when you are
using polyethylene material. To give an example, a family size 6 m3
digester would cost less than US$ 100 and you are safe. >>
Horst, do you know where one could find information on small bio gas
digesters?
Dick Bristol
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Subject: Re: unsubscribe
From: "Susanne Machler"
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 22:24:09 PST
Ted I hope this is just a joke?? I have always found your answers so
informative... Dont tell me that PC screen has become a hand choking you
out there in cyberspace?? What about playing deaf sometimes??
I will miss you...
A keen learner,
Sue...
From: "Ted Ground"
To:
Subject: unsubscribe
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:12:10 -0600
Reply-To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
unsubscribe
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Subject: Animal waste
From: Colin Johnston
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 10:12:26 +0800
List members
As Horst has pointed out, the practise of rearing animals above
ponds where various species are cultured is widespread in Asia.
If a problem exists with this then I believe it is the clash between
traditional farming practises and the modern industrial approach.
In other words it is not the practise per se that's at fault but rather
it's possible misuse by individuals.
To explain. When I was observing the raising of carp here in
Hong Kong in the mid-70's, it was pointed out that the ratio of
ducks to fish (several carp species usually) was common know-
ledge in the villages concerned and this information had been
handed down for centuries in China. There did not seem to be any
ill effects or the method would have been discontinued or further
adapted. However, I have recorded the use of ponds as a sewer/
latrine next to piggeries where over 200 porkers were housed. Even
then the pond ecosystem appeared to be able to cope, perhaps the
dilution of the waste by the farmer made it acceptable. This
practise is being fine-tuned at the Asian Institute of Technology in
Bangkok to bring in other animal types. Goats are tethered above
very small ponds holding tilapia to determine the acceptable
carrying capacity. After the World Aquaculture Society's meeting
in 1996 delegates were bussed to the Institute and the loudest
reaction pondside came from those living northwest of Cuba :)
So perhaps it is not the practise that's at fault, but simply the
manner in which it's implimented and of course the degree.
Pathogens may indeed be present but if the carrying capacity
is reasonable, they may not pose an unacceptable hazard. But
I'm in no way a micro-biologist and so I'll take a quick step to
the rear.
Cheers
Colin
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Subject: Chicken Poop
From: Colin Johnston
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 15:03:13 +0800
Terry
>I have a brochure I acquired from Auburn University about Tilapia raising in
Guatemala.
>They were quite specific in praising the idea of chicken coops directly above
the ponds
>so the excreta would fall through into the water.
>I believe the idea was to create a more friendly environment for the algae
growth, and
>hence food for the Tilapia.
>Is this in fact, not a good idea, what with the pathogens going into the water
straight from
>the chickens? I was planning on doing this on my place in Belize.
As I've mentioned elsewhere, I believe that it's a question of getting the
ratio of
poultry to aquatic systems right and not overloading the environment. AIT in
Bangkok
has plenty of papers on this aspect of polyculture and you may wish to access
their
homepage on the net to get contacts. Prof. Kwei Lin and his staff would, no
doubt, be
happy to assist.
Whilst a bit superficial this link examines briefly an expect of polyculture.
Take it
from there :
Cheers
Colin
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Subject: Re: Ted
From: Dave Miller
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 04:49:27 -0500
A word from the friend of the muse, Ted is tired yet has great plans.
He may still surface at some later time.
To quote:
Jim, thanks for sending me the info on the millenial group you referred
to, and of course your good wishes.
Carol, Terry, and Dave, thank you so much for the good cheer and in
sending your thoughts my way. I really appreciate it, y'all. Thanks to
everybody else who have since sent me their nice thoughts and jokes,
rude noises and rubber chickens...
I was, up until today, on 3 different email groups. I decided to
unsubscribe on all of them for a while. This actually has been on my
"Things to Do" list for a while...the silly exchange with Horst and
company just led me to an earlier disappearance that I would have made
soon anyway.. I have to get some major projects done....
Again, I really am not irritated - Horst doesnt phase me, but I do lose
interest when these unhappy little "volleys" from Horst and company
crash into the middle of a topic from way out in left field, especially
when logic, humor, or hand waving doesn't seem to deter the chilly
weirdness....It is difficult to continue in that vein without things
turning dreary real quick. So, out of my own preference to be in a sunny
and wonderful mood, and out of deference to the group, which deserves
much better than this boring, incessant, tit for tat stuff, I am blowing
it off for a while.... So, maybe I'll resurface at a later date....
Oh, here's one in passing...What was Gandhi's butler's name? Mahatma
Coat... And I gotta run.
In friendship,
Ted
P.S. - (Hey, you folks knew this could not be a short email message,
considering the source- my gravestone will probably read like the
Gettysburg address- the size of the Vietnam Memorial...and one more
thing..)
Dave, in your last message I caught part of the discussion with you and
Jim about generators, etc. I have researched a lot on alternate energy
sources, and found a home built wind generator design that I would like
to build if given the chance- or if I had to in a pinch, as one of you
alluded to. I intend on building it one day...when things settle down
around here just a bit.
Richard Pierson wrote a book back in 1978 which I kept a copy of. It is
entitled "Build-It Yourself Natural Energy Sources: Solar, Wind & Water
Power Made Easy" ...Chapter 10 of that book describes in great detail
how to build the Vertical-Shaft Pierson Wind Turbine..it is basically a
modified S-rotor system with aluminum or galvanized sheet metal scoops
or half-cylinders as rotors, but it ALSO has these neat stationary
vectoring vanes to scoop up even more wind into the rotor. These are
really just fixed walls pointing at a tangent to the rotor buckets. He
calls these fixed walls stator vanes, or just stators.... That is the
best part of this design, I think because it allows the configuration to
begin putting out power in 5 MPH winds or below, depending on the length
of the stator (wall) from the vertical shaft out to the end of the
stator. You have to rig up a generator and some gears, and for high
winds you might have to figure out how to shut it down or rig up a
governor, but it looks do-able for a tinkerer like myself...
James Baldwin (of Whole Earth Catalog notariety) claims that his
experience has shown that few wind machines can develop sufficient
output at the low wind speeds (under 9 mph average) common in most
locations, and that few prove to be reliable over the long haul- due to
mechanical wear, etc.. And so he recommends that if you are going to go
out and buy a wind turbine, that you should try to find a used Jacobs
brand wind turbine which were built in the 1930s through the 1950s...He
further recommends photovoltaics as a better overall deal than wind
power. (But I think the big packages for the whole house are pretty
expensive - like 5, 10 or 15 thousand bucks).
An excellent reference on solar electricity is the New Solar Electric
Home by Joel Davidson. You can order that book from AATEC Publications
in Ann Arbor Michigan at 313 995 1470. There is also Real Goods in
Ukiah, California 707-468-9214 which can put an off grid PV package
together for you, and has a very comprehensive design manual for about
20 or 30 bucks....There is also Kirkby Solar Electric in Scottsdale,
Arizona 602-433-8520, Flowlight Solar Power in Santa Cruz, New Mexico at
505 753-9699, and Photocomm in North San Juan California at 800
-544-6466. Another neat reference is the RVer's Guide to Solar Battery
Charging by Noel and Barbara Kirkby - also available from AATEC
Publications. But I would still try this Vertical-Shaft Pierson Wind
contraption. It looks good to me Pierson uses plastic sheeting as a
wall sheathing for the stators. I would probably use sheet metal or
treated plywood to make it stronger and more permanent- paint it and it
would look a lot better too...so it can be made to kind of blend into
the farm building "scenery", up on a high platform behind the barn or
whatever.. You should be able to build it for something like $300 to
$500 1978 dollars- what is that now? $1000 or so? That does not count
the batteries. I guess I would look to one of the solar electric
suppliers mentioned above to source my batteries- probably those gel
lead acid types?? That estimated cost will also depend on the extent of
your walls and whether or not you already have an available platform...
For best results, every bit of height helps, so the rule of thumb is
that a wind turbine should be 15 feet above all obects within 400 feet
for best results. Thus, it is recommended to put this puppy up on a
roof top, or platform or hill-top...
This book may be out of print. If you can't find it by interlibrary
loan or at the used book store, and you really, really just gotta have
this wind turbine design in your hands, email me and I will endeavor to
send you a photocopy...Sorry I don't have a scanner to send it to you
electronically.
God Bless You All.
Ted
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Subject: RE: Chicken Poop
From: "Donna Fezler"
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 06:22:31 -0600
I have been looking and asking for over a year. I think I am going to use a
plastic farm water tank.
Donna Fezler
Jacksonville, IL
-----Original Message-----
From: aquaponics [SMTP:aquaponics]
On Behalf Of MajorDad38
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 1999 12:15 AM
To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
Subject: Re: Chicken Poop
In a message dated 1/22/99 4:18:06 PM Pacific Standard Time,
doelle@ozemail.com.au writes:
<< Biogas digesters are inexpensive when you are
using polyethylene material. To give an example, a family size 6 m3
digester would cost less than US$ 100 and you are safe. >>
Horst, do you know where one could find information on small bio gas
digesters?
Dick Bristol
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Subject: Poultry Poop
From: Colin Johnston
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:26:21 +0800
>John Shannonhouse
>Department of Genetics
>University of Wisconsin-Madison
>jlshanno@students.wisc.edu
John,
I'd like to respond to the following points but in a general fashion and not
to/against you in particular :
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>(1) manure greatly increases bacterial growth and oxidizable compounds in
>the water. It can lead to problems with low dissolved oxygen, especially if
>too much manure is used.
No argument here, but it does NOT seem to be a problem in the Asia region
where traditional methods have been used for hundreds, if not thousands, of
years. Some aeration of fish ponds is practised but is minimized for reasons
of economy. Perhaps more to the point is not overloading one's ponds in the
first place and maintaining the ecological balance. This is done through the
selection of sometimes 5 species of carp each of which operates in a different
niche within the water column. The consequences of overloading the nutrients
and leading to fish and/or poultry mortality are severe - you starve. It is not
something one will attempt on more than one occasion. I have mentioned the
ratio of different carp species in Asian ponds but additionally there is the
ratio
of animals being raised above/beside/on the pond. It is the unwary or the
ignorant that trifle with this without outside backing perhaps from government
agencies. (Note that the particular environment in a given location is also a
prime determinant as to the methods employed and the amounts deployed
when using waste be it animal or human. )
>(2) Manure will significantly increase the number
>of pathogens in the water. This is mostly dangerous to the aquaculturalist,
>as he is exposing himself regularly to highly contaminated water and fish.
Agreed! However, although I might be mistaken, the number of people injured
applying traditional fish/poultry waste systems is negligible, although granted,
this might be a function of poor record-keeping. And, yes, we had the "bird-flu"
chicken slaughter here in Hong Kong but that was found to be related to
off-farm
activities rather than in traditional farm systems.
>Watch out for scales and bones scratching your skin! It can lead to
>so-called "fish handlers disease," especially with poultry waste.
Yes! But it's unwary housewives in the developed world that appear to suffer
disproportionately and not those in the villages in Africa and Asia, but I'm
prepared to be corrected on this. And, naturally, cleanliness and godliness do
go hand-in-hand - everywhere.
>If the
>fish from a manured pond are not adequately purged and/or are undercooked,
Purging is not a common practise within Asia except where the product is to be
exported to the States. However, the market preferences are towards marine
species of fish which do not require purging partly as the flesh tastes
better but
also due to brackish water ponds which do not cause the flesh of the fish to
become
tainted. However, you are right, under cooking can be a problem which is why
the
Chinese (and the Cantonese in particular) steam or otherwise cook their fish
thoroughly. The flesh has to fall gently from the bones or the fish will be
sent back
for further steaming.
>there is a higher risk of illness to anyone eating the fish than if the
>fish came from an unmanured pond.
Agreed! Finally, the risk assessment aspect. To my view, western nations are
the most litigious when it comes to liability and if that's the way the
voters want it,
fine, just don't expect the mass of humanity to come round to that view in
the near
future - there are simply more important things to take care of. By all
means set
up HACCP (Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Points) regulations to
protect the
(duh) consumer, that is entirely an internal affair. However, I don't
believe that you
can legislate all danger or risk out of any human system, although where a
court
grants damages to a person who put that now-famous carton of hot coffee between
her thighs when driving, I guess anything is possible. It's really a
question of what is
'reasonable' and we need to remember that this varies across the globe. If one
took John's comment above to a ridiculous conclusion, we would only eat animals
bred/captured in the most pristine of conditions. Fish from the deepest "South
Pacific" ocean, goats from the highest "Sound of Music" mountains etc. How many
people have observed the 'products' caught up during the milking of dairy cattle
but later 'pasturized' into 'acceptablility' and swallowed hook, line and
stinker [sic] ?
Or cattle in North America which are fed poultry waste in their regular feed
? Or in
the UK the cattle being fed offal from sheep ? "Mad cows disease" ring a
bell ? In
my mind Asian fish-polyculture systems are the least to worry about at the
moment.
Mind you, it does keep the pressure groups busy, so that's a plus - I guess !
Of course, as Hans has repeatedly pointed out, waste products may indeed be
better
utilized in other ways and this is slowly, maybe too slowly for some of us,
is actually
happening.
Cheers, and back to aquaponics again :)
Colin
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Subject: Ted
From: Colin Johnston
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:56:04 +0800
H'mm !
>I was, up until today, on 3 different email groups. I decided to
>unsubscribe on all of them for a while.
Go for the mass appeal :)
>This actually has been on my
>"Things to Do" list for a while...the silly exchange with Horst and
>company just led me to an earlier disappearance that I would have made
>soon anyway.. I have to get some major projects done....
Go fer it ! Don't hurry back on account of us !
>Again, I really am not irritated - Horst doesnt phase me, but I do lose
>interest when these unhappy little "volleys" from Horst and company
>crash into the middle of a topic from way out in left field, especially
>when logic, humor, or hand waving doesn't seem to deter the chilly
>weirdness....It is difficult to continue in that vein without things
>turning dreary real quick. So, out of my own preference to be in a sunny
>and wonderful mood, and out of deference to the group, which deserves
>much better than this boring, incessant, tit for tat stuff, I am blowing
>it off for a while.... So, maybe I'll resurface at a later date....
Are you threatening us ?
>Oh, here's one in passing...What was Gandhi's butler's name? Mahatma
>Coat... And I gotta run.
Guess that's funny, if you're not an Indian ! Thought you were all "PC" in the
States ?
Colin
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Subject: Re: safe fertilizer
From: Jon Hays
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 10:07:38 -0700
Hello Uwe: Sorry about not seeing this note and getting back to you but I
was in the hospital and had a crash on my system after that. I don't know
how I recovered this note. In answer to your question yes the Fe O2 would
make more sense on a small unit but if you put the spent iron oxide + H2S
out to dry it will burn so watch out where you put it. The lime I am not
familiar with.
John
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Subject:
From: "Palchik"
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 19:26:24 +0200
driana
Creo que el problema de las diferentes formas de actuar de una bacteria
depende tambien del estado sel sitema inmunologico del sujeto.
en caso de peces, bacterias que son, innocuas en un estado se =
transforman en patogena en otro.=20
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Subject: Re: Chicken Poop
From: William Evans
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 09:44:08 -0800
And I thought the 1918 flu epedemic was caused primarily by Bad
vaccine????Most folks who survived the epedemic refused it!.
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Subject: Re: Pennyfish
From: Gordon Watkins
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:40:59 -0600
You may be thinking of me, Adriana. I've bred and bought Pennyfish and
am pretty ambivalent about their use in my aquaponic system. I purchased
1,000 fry from one of Mike Sipe's collegues in Arizona (International
Strategies, Inc.) and was very disappointed with them - lots of
deformaties, much size variation, and poor survivability. I would not
buy from this source again. I also have a breeding harem (5 mossambica
females and an hornorum male) purchased from Mike that supply enough
fingerlings for my small 1,500 gallon aquaponic system. My own fry do
not exhibit the high level of deformaties as the purchased ones (an
occasional saddle back, misshapen lip or pectoral fin) and are fairly
consistent in size. As far as I can tell, all of the offspring have been
male. I've not come anywhere close to the growth rates that Sipe reports
(2.2 lbs in 6 months from 1/2 oz fingerlings) but then my system is not
optimized for fish growth. Perhaps if I raised temps to 85-90 degrees
F., added pure oxygen, and reduced stocking rates, such growth would be
possible, but I doubt it would be profitable. I recently acquired some
nilotica fingerlings and they appear to grow faster than the pennyfish.
Being a mixed sex population, I'll be curious to see if they spawn in my
sloped bottom production tank. If so, I'll probably just throw in a few
oscars or bluegill for population control. Also, niloticas tend to begin
spawning at a larger size (>3") than other tilapia, which should buy me
a little time.
I've yet to find a source other than Mike Sipe for pure line tilapia
broodstock, especially hornorums. Everyone is very protective of their
bloodlines which is unfortunate for the little guys like me who like to
dabble with strain improvement.
Gordon
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Subject: Flu Vaccines
From: William Evans
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 09:52:45 -0800
Looks like disinformation or at least selective reporting IMHO..The
vaccine was the culprit just as in the "swine flu" epedemic ...
Anybody ever read "murder by injection" by Eustace Mullins 1988 Lib of
congress Cat # 88-060694---via National Council for Medical Research PO
box 1105 Staunton VA 24401
billevans
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Subject: Re: Pennyfish
From: Adriana Gutierrez
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 13:08:10 -0500
Thanks for the update Gordon. There is a place about 15 miles
from me called Delcious Fishes; you might give them a call at
941-322-1640.
Adriana
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Subject: Re: Chicken Poop
From: jilli and lars
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 10:45:18 -0800
hello -
If y ou have more detailed information on building small scale
methane digestors, can you please forward it to me as well?
I have heard that methane digestors with thermophilic bacteria can even
break down lignin. I haven't found much information on this rumor. Have you
heard anything about this?
thanks,
lars fields
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Subject: Re: Ted
From: doelle
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 09:18:42 +1100
I am very sorry to learn that Ted unsubscribed earlier because of my
comments. I apologise but I never thought in my life that health issues are
'silly exchanges'. They are very serious out here.
Neverthless it seems that some cannot take opposite views and thus I will be
quiet not to rock the boat unless asked a question.
I apologise for not knowing this sensitivity.
Horst Doelle
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Subject: Re: Ted
From: Adriana Gutierrez
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 17:24:24 -0500
Horst,
We do appreciate your insight. Please don't refrain from jumping
in without being asked. For those who find a topic weird or
unhappy just hit the trash button and move on...
Adriana
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Subject: Organics Gaining Ground Approval
From: Dave Miller
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 20:01:57 -0500
Has any one read the newer (revised) proposals for organic standards due
out this year?
How will it affect the aquaponics industry?
Will fish emulsion be considered "organic"?
Will feces from other animals be considered "organic" if the same
animals were fed organically or if a certain amount of time to compost
has passed (such as one year?).
Not everyone in the aquaponics list may desire to be certified "organic"
yet it is helpful to see how the newer certification and labeling
requirements will affect both fish and the hydroponic/raft vegetation
(as how they shall be labeled.)
Certainly no type of fish farming will be exempt of a certain code of
ethics and certification.
Your thoughts as time goes on. A news article related appears below,
lots of the general info is known but the take charge reversal is a new
twist:
PACIFIC GROVE, California (AP) -- In a reversal, the government is
drawing
up rules saying that food cannot be labeled "organic" if it has been
irradiated, genetically engineered or treated with antibiotics, a top
agriculture official told farmers Thursday.
The labeling plan was developed by the U.S. Department of Agriculture in
response to an outcry last year against an earlier set of rules organic
farmers considered too permissive.
I'm telling you we are looking at every possible way to protect the
integrity of your industry," said Keith Jones of the department's
National
Organic Program.
The new rules governing fruit, vegetables and livestock will probably be
published next summer in the Federal Register and could take effect in
the
fall, Jones said.
The department is trying to develop the first national standards on
organic food labeling to replace a hodgepodge of state rules and
industry
guidelines.
U.S. sales of organic foods have grown 20 percent annually for the last
seven years. In 1996, they exceeded $3.5 billion. There are now more
than
10,000 U.S. farms trying to raise organic crops and livestock, according
to the Organic Farming Research Foundation.
Farmers have their own informal guidelines for what they call organic.
For
instance, fruits and vegetables shouldn't have pesticides, herbicides or
preservatives, and livestock should be raised in an open-air
environment,
without antibiotics or hormones.
Last year, the USDA proposed allowing food to be labeled "organic" even
if
it was irradiated to kill germs, genetically engineered, or subjected to
sewage sludge or chemical spraying.
Organic farmers, marketers and consumers sent more than 280,000 protest
letters, prompting Agriculture Secretary Dan Glickman to withdraw the
proposal. Jones shared details of the department's latest proposal at
the
Ecological Farming Conference, the nation's largest gathering of organic
farmers.
Holding a hand-drawn paper target to his chest, he conceded that the
federal agency has failed the organic farmers in the past.
"It seems that in the current environment the USDA can't do anything
right," he said. "But I can tell you today we have a commitment to get
it
right."
He got a generally sympathetic reception.
"I'm very encouraged," said Bob Anderson, who runs Walnut Acres in Penn
Creek, Pennsylvania., and is on the National Organic Standards Board, a
coalition of organic farmers. "There's nothing like 280,000 comments to
get the government's attention."
However, some farmers were skeptical and said they want to see the rules
in print.
"We farmers in West Texas joke about never having seen rain but we still
believe in it. That's kind of where we are in this process," said
Michael
Sligh of the Campaign for Sustainable Agriculture, based in Chapel Hill,
North Carolina.
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Subject: Message length
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 22:02:39 -0600
To the list:
Please try to delete all but the most pertinent parts of the message you're
replying to. Some of the digest versions are going over limit to some
subscribers simply from those who are anxious to reply not snipping out any
portions of extremely long posts, and reposting all information with a very
short reply.
Thanks for you help.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: Re: Organics Gaining Ground Approval
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 22:02:41 -0600
At 08:01 PM 1/23/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Has any one read the newer (revised) proposals for organic standards due
>out this year?
>
>How will it affect the aquaponics industry?
I think many of our members are quite interested in this subject.
Unfortunately, the individual who has done all the work on initiating,
drafting, and pursuing a program for national aquaponics standards has had
to take some time off the list. Perhaps we'll get an update later.
Paula Speraneo
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: Missouri Organic Assn. Conference
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 22:02:59 -0600
I have information for the Annual Farmer-to-Farmer Conference to be held
January 30 and 31, 1999 in Springfield, MO. If you're interested, I'll post
to you directly. Please let me know at .
Topics to include presentations on herbs, cut flowers, farmers markets,
psdyutrf poulyty, CSA's, "Weedless Watermelons and Other Vegetables", and
season extension.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: Re: Organics Gaining Ground Approval
From: Gordon Watkins
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 22:06:43 -0600
Dave,
The best place I've found for up to date info on the pending legislation
and other policy issues of interest to organic farmers is the Organic
Farmers Marketing Association site at http://web.iquest.net/ofma/
Gordon
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