Aquaponics Digest - Fri 02/19/99
Message 1: Lettuce post-harvest handling
from Adriana Gutierrez
Message 2: Re: Lettuce post-harvest handling
from "carol busson"
Message 3: RE: Lettuce post-harvest handling
from "Anthony & Roberta"
Message 4: RE: Lettuce post-harvest handling
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 5: recycling/wick system
from Jose Pelleya
Message 6: Re: Lettuce post-harvest handling
from Adriana Gutierrez
Message 7: Re: Lettuce post-harvest handling
from Adriana Gutierrez
Message 8: advise
from "Glennert Riedel"
Message 9: Re: advise
from KLOTTTRUE
Message 10: Re: Lettuce post-harvest handling
from Jeff
Message 11: RV: VIRUS ALERT:HAPPY.EXE file
from Alejandro Gallardo Valencia
Message 12: Re: advise
from "Palchik"
Message 13: Re: advise
from "Palchik"
Message 14: Re: Lettuce post-harvest handling
from "Palchik"
Message 15: Re: advise
from uweb@megalink.net.mx
Message 16: Re: Lettuce post-harvest handling
from Adriana Gutierrez
Message 17: Re: Lettuce post-harvest handling
from Adriana Gutierrez
Message 18: RE: advise
from Alejandro Gallardo Valencia
Message 19: Eastern Shore of Maryland and Delaware Farms for Sale
from HoneyAcres
Message 20: Re: advise
from KLOTTTRUE
Message 21: Re: advise
from "Glennert Riedel"
Message 22: Re: advise
from "Glennert Riedel"
Message 23: RE: advise
from "Glennert Riedel"
Message 24: Re: Wick Hydroponic System
from PHRL33A@prodigy.com (MS JEAN R SHAFFER)
Message 25: advise
from PHRL33A@prodigy.com (MS JEAN R SHAFFER)
Message 26: Re: Lettuce post-harvest handling
from PHRL33A@prodigy.com (MS JEAN R SHAFFER)
Message 27: Re: Lettuce post-harvest handling
from "Palchik"
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Subject: Lettuce post-harvest handling
From: Adriana Gutierrez
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 07:32:11 -0500
I'm expecting my first commercial scale mesclun harvest in 3 to4
weeks and wonder what other growers recommend in terms of:
* Washing
* Cooling
* Packaging (for restaurant trade)
Adriana
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Subject: Re: Lettuce post-harvest handling
From: "carol busson"
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 08:34:50 -0500
-----Original Message-----
From: Adriana Gutierrez
To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
Date: Friday, February 19, 1999 7:32 AM
Subject: Lettuce post-harvest handling
we wash mesclun by harvesting it into net bags and imersing in big stock
tanks with clean water out of the well which drops the temp fast. Then we
hang it to drip and when it is relatively free of water bag it in 3 # lots.
>From my experience a lot of people buying wholesale salad mix expect a 3
pound bag.
>I'm expecting my first commercial scale mesclun harvest in 3 to4
>weeks and wonder what other growers recommend in terms of:
>* Washing
>* Cooling
>* Packaging (for restaurant trade)
>
>Adriana
>
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Subject: RE: Lettuce post-harvest handling
From: "Anthony & Roberta"
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:11:40 -0500
We used to grow mesclun in soil. We would wash in a huge tub (very cold
well water) and spin dry in a manual operated spinner that was a 5 gallon
capacity. There are commercial electric ones available for larger
quantities. Then we bagged them into 3 lb. (unfortunately by hand) and
sometimes we bagged into (2) 1 1/2 LB bags - it seemed to keep better. The
bags were also vented. It should be dry when packed otherwise the moisture
could effect in a large amount. There are good commercial packers available
too but we were never that big of an operation.
Hope this helps.
Roberta
eastgate@worldnet.att.net
Visit our web site at:
http://www.shaklee.com/link/eastgate_organics
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Subject: RE: Lettuce post-harvest handling
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 08:22:27 -0600
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Adriana Gutierrez
>> To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
>> Date: Friday, February 19, 1999 7:32 AM
>> Subject: Lettuce post-harvest handling
>> >I'm expecting my first commercial scale mesclun harvest in 3 to4
>> >weeks and wonder what other growers recommend in terms of:
>> >* Washing
>> >* Cooling
>> >* Packaging (for restaurant trade)
Adriana - Do I remember correctly that you're using a hydroponic set-up for
growing at this point? Are you growing inside?
If so, why do you feel the need to wash your mesclun? The washing/drying
cycle somewhat breaks down the plant cells, resulting in a shorter shelf
life. If you're growing lettuce in a "clean" environment, I don't
understand the need for these steps and the equipment that comes with it.
It sounds as if you've received your answer for wholesale packaging. Why
not just cut and bag, then quickly to the cooler?
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: recycling/wick system
From: Jose Pelleya
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 08:44:41 -0700
Joel:
Answer online, not off, we (or at least I) am interested as well.
Have you worked with plastic 2-liter bottles in any way. I am very
interested in designs which use household plastic bottles which otherwise
end up in the town landfill, since recycled plastic is a semi-farce
promoted by the plastic industry to make us all feel good. I've heard of
warehouses full of "recycled" plastic which is never used since "virgin"
plastic is better and cheaper than recycled. Until we run out of oil or
landfill space (or warehouse space) recycled plastic will be just a dream,
specially in the US. Places like Germany are more serious, given their
limited land area. There IS a mandate in the governmnet to use certain
percentage of recycled goods in government-purchased stuff, but privately,
most of the US doesn't care about recycling, whether it's food wastes,
plastic, newspapers, etc. It's more and more every day, thanks to the kids
(our conscience) and certain people who see the future as bleak without
recycling efforts, but most are just doing their own recycling, like people
in this group. The vast majority just consume and throw away.
Off the soapbox.
Jose
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Subject: Re: Lettuce post-harvest handling
From: Adriana Gutierrez
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:22:14 -0500
> Adriana - Do I remember correctly that you're using a hydroponic set-up for
> growing at this point? Are you growing inside?
>
yes, it's strictly hydro at this point
> If so, why do you feel the need to wash your mesclun? The washing/drying
> cycle somewhat breaks down the plant cells, resulting in a shorter shelf
> life.
That's what I was wondering also.
> It sounds as if you've received your answer for wholesale packaging. Why
> not just cut and bag, then quickly to the cooler?
I know somebody who washes because of dust. I have some dust now
but hope to reduce it when my house is re-screened before the
first harvest. I also have fine misters hooked up above my beds
so I could give the plants a misting a few hours before harvest
to clean off any dust has has gotten past the screen. I have
access to a cooler so if the washing is just to drop the temp
then I can bypass it and eliminate handling and speed up
processing.
Paula, do you cool your greens in the boxes you use to deliver
or do you have some type of crate that allows the leaves to cool
down quickly? I noticed that when I leave mesclun uncovered in
my home refrigerator for a few hours the leaves get somewhat
dehydrated. Is this because they are not bagged? Possibly it is
also a function of temperature, I've read that greens should be
keep just above 32 degrees and my refrigerator at home is higher
than that.
Adriana
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Subject: Re: Lettuce post-harvest handling
From: Adriana Gutierrez
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:47:12 -0500
Thanks Roberta
>
> We used to grow mesclun in soil. We would wash in a huge tub (very cold
> well water)
Did you put any chlorine in the water to disinfect it?
and spin dry in a manual operated spinner that was a 5 gallon
I know people also use old washing machines for this. How many
pounds can you get in a washer?
Adriana
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Subject: advise
From: "Glennert Riedel"
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:04:20 PST
Hello everyone,
Like I was saying the other day, I'm building a concrete tank for
Tilapia. I would like to know if I have to coat the concrete with
something. Maybe epoxy ?
Glennert
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Subject: Re: advise
From: KLOTTTRUE
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 13:40:40 EST
Glennert,asked if concrete needed to be coated with epoxy or anything.Yes it
does,neww concrete leachs,use either epoxy paint or epoxy sealer after 20
days.And don't forget to use plenty of re-bar and welded wire to keep it from
cracking. Ken
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Subject: Re: Lettuce post-harvest handling
From: Jeff
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:42:22 -0700
Adriana Gutierrez wrote:
>
> I'm expecting my first commercial scale mesclun harvest in 3 to4
> weeks and wonder what other growers recommend in terms of:
> * Washing
> * Cooling
> * Packaging (for restaurant trade)
>
> Adriana
Thanks for all the info so far. I too am at about the same stage of
expectation with my mesculn harvest. I think the suggestion regarding
picking directly and packaging is a good one(or at list misting the
plants before harvesting, which will both clean and cool). Unfortunately
, I too have quite a bit of dust in the greenhouse and am not sure if
misting alone would get it clean enough. I also wonder how clean is
necessary if the end users are just going to wash it anyway?
I also put our a message on the list (with wrong return email)regarding
packaging. It seems the 3 lb or 1 1/2 lb bags are ideal sizes, but I was
wondering if anyone had leads on "breathable" bags (like the ones in
grocery stores for mixed salads in a bag) or what are termed "veggie
bags" (I found these in a grocery store in 1 pound sizes but there
expensive at retail). Any leads on commercial sources for these kinds of
strorage bags?
My first major order is for "3 garbage bags full of greens" at the end
of March and though it is relatively close (and it stays pretty cold in
Montana in March) I still worry about cooling and de-hydration etc. Hope
more info is out there on this stuff. Thanks.
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Subject: RV: VIRUS ALERT:HAPPY.EXE file
From: Alejandro Gallardo Valencia
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:59:13 -0600
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Subject: Re: advise
From: "Palchik"
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 21:15:35 +0200
No, it is not necesary.
Mauricio
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Subject: Re: advise
From: "Palchik"
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 21:17:03 +0200
I am not agree with you
it's not necesary to coated the concrete
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Subject: Re: Lettuce post-harvest handling
From: "Palchik"
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 21:18:02 +0200
SUERTE
Mauricio
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: Re: advise
From: uweb@megalink.net.mx
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:16:59 -600
>Hello everyone,
>
>Like I was saying the other day, I'm building a concrete tank for
>Tilapia. I would like to know if I have to coat the concrete with
>something. Maybe epoxy ?
>
>Glennert
Hi Glennert,
you might want to try a lime/clay plaster (1:3 by volume). It has to be kept
moist until completely cured, and after that even helps you to keep pathogens
away from the pores. Good stuff! And if you select the clay accordingly, you
even have the color you want.
Uwe
http://www.megalink.net.mx
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Subject: Re: Lettuce post-harvest handling
From: Adriana Gutierrez
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 14:41:18 -0500
Gracias, Mauricio, el miercoles sembre y ya hoy estan germinando
las semillas...Me imagino por el "maya.net" de tu direccion que
estas en Mexico o Centro America, correcto?
Adriana
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Subject: Re: Lettuce post-harvest handling
From: Adriana Gutierrez
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 14:48:06 -0500
I also wonder how clean is
> necessary if the end users are just going to wash it anyway?
Jeff, the real question is, do the buyers expect washed, ready to
serve produce. I suspect that the answer is "yes" if that is
what they can get through the large wholesalers for greens coming
out of California. If so, ours has to be also.
Any leads on commercial sources for these kinds of
> strorage bags?
I was given Monte packaging in Michigan as "the" source for
packaging, 1-800-653-2807. I haven't gotten in touch with them
yet but plan to do so ASAP.
I still worry about cooling and de-hydration etc.
I've been told to provide a good level of humidity when cooling
the greens to avoid dehydration.
Good luck on your first harvest, Adriana
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Subject: RE: advise
From: Alejandro Gallardo Valencia
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 13:49:16 -0600
Glennert:
To my knowledge, there's no need to cover your tanks with anything (in =
this I desagree with Ken) a we constructed tank, using the correct mix =
with an extra smooth finish on the inside shouldn=B4t give you any =
serious problems. I've worked at and visited several aquaculture farms =
that use concrete tanks and they've never had any trouble. You must, =
however, (in this I do agree with Ken) be careful with your tank design, =
so it's well settled, strong enough to hold the weight of the water, =
have a strong wire "squeleton" and so on, but I guess you know that (I =
would strongly recommend the advice of an engineer). If you=B4re going =
with concrete, I'd advise to avoid chemicals as much as you can.
Best regards.
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Subject: Eastern Shore of Maryland and Delaware Farms for Sale
From: HoneyAcres
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 17:18:57 EST
Dear cropking and others,
I would be very interested in any commercial hydroponic or aquaculture
businesses for sale on the eastern shore. If you could include price and a web
site if possible that would be great!
Thanks,
Steven
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Subject: Re: advise
From: KLOTTTRUE
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 19:40:38 EST
It's o.k. to disagree with me,I was just passing on what Aquatic
Ecosystems,INC. recommends. Ken
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Subject: Re: advise
From: "Glennert Riedel"
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 19:43:33 PST
>Glennert,asked if concrete needed to be coated with epoxy or
anything.Yes it
>does,neww concrete leachs,use either epoxy paint or epoxy sealer after
20
>days.And don't forget to use plenty of re-bar and welded wire to keep
it from
>cracking. Ken
Thanks for the advise Ken.
Glennert
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Subject: Re: advise
From: "Glennert Riedel"
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:07:51 PST
>Hi Glennert,
>
>you might want to try a lime/clay plaster (1:3 by volume). It has to be
kept
>moist until completely cured, and after that even helps you to keep
pathogens
>away from the pores. Good stuff! And if you select the clay
accordingly, you
>even have the color you want.
>
>Uwe
>
Thanks Uwe,
I haven't looked into it yet but maybe clay is hard to get here. I'll
look into it tomorrow. How thick must this layer be ?
What is better epoxy or the lime/clay plaster ?
Glennert
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Subject: RE: advise
From: "Glennert Riedel"
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:32:05 PST
Thank you for the information Alejandro,
I see that Palchik agrees with you.
I've consulted experienced local house builders. In the past people used
to build water tanks from small concrete blocks to hold rain and well
water. People put fish in these tanks to control the insekts. (No one
thought of eating the fish.) They did not use iron in the construction.
The walls are very thick. I've used this technique. Soon I'll know if it
will hold.
Best Regards,
Glennert
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>Glennert:
>
> To my knowledge, there's no need to cover your tanks with anything (in
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>this I desagree with Ken) a we constructed tank, using the correct mix
=
>with an extra smooth finish on the inside shouldn=B4t give you any =
>serious problems
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Subject: Re: Wick Hydroponic System
From: PHRL33A@prodigy.com (MS JEAN R SHAFFER)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 00:12:55, -0500
Thanks a whole bunch for your info on hydroponic vegetables using
Flood and Drain, Drip, Wick, and a
sorta passive setup.
Jean
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Subject: advise
From: PHRL33A@prodigy.com (MS JEAN R SHAFFER)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 00:29:22, -0500
Hi Glennert
I have a concrete trough already (built 15 or so years ago to hold
soil) and will be preparing it for fish with an epoxy paint. My
paint store recommended it because it is food grade which you want
for fish you will eat. It was developed for coating the insides of
water tanks. The store even got on the phone with the epoxy paint
company's head chemist and explained I was making a fish tank and
what should I use. I will run down to my green house and get the
name of it if you want it. You have to coat with a conditioner if
you have "green" (new) concrete like you do. And then fill any
hairline cracks. I can get you the names of all this stuff if you
are interested. It's black too for solar absorbtion. It's toxic as
heck while you are applying it but once dry is non-toxic. Hope this
helps.
Jean
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Subject: Re: Lettuce post-harvest handling
From: PHRL33A@prodigy.com (MS JEAN R SHAFFER)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 00:31:27, -0500
Could someone tell me what mesculn is. I maybe should be growing it.
Thanks
Jean
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Subject: Re: Lettuce post-harvest handling
From: "Palchik"
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 07:50:27 +0200
No Adriana, estoy en Israel.
y soy Argentino.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adriana Gutierrez
To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
Date: יום שישי 19 פברואר 1999 04:34
Subject: Re: Lettuce post-harvest handling
>Gracias, Mauricio, el miercoles sembre y ya hoy estan germinando
>las semillas...Me imagino por el "maya.net" de tu direccion que
>estas en Mexico o Centro America, correcto?
>
>Adriana
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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