Aquaponics Digest - Wed 03/31/99
Message 1: Re: Getting started
from Jim Sealy Jr
Message 2: Cardomom (was Re: Getting started)
from Gordon Watkins
Message 3: Re: Cardomom (was Re: Getting started)
from "Wendy Nagurny"
Message 4: Re: Cardomom (was Re: Getting started)
from Dave Miller
Message 5: Re: Genetic Engineering
from "Sam Levy"
Message 6: Re: Mosquito Control
from "William Brown"
Message 7: Re: Lettuce post-harvest handling
from "William Brown"
Message 8: RE: Lettuce post-harvest handling
from Andrew
Message 9: Re: Cardomom (was Re: Getting started)
from "vpage"
Message 10: Re: Lettuce post-harvest handling
from "Dale Robinson"
Message 11: Re: Cardomom (was Re: Getting started)
from "vpage"
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Subject: Re: Getting started
From: Jim Sealy Jr
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:02:14 -0600
Hi Mark,
You've hit on a very workable idea.
I have a bookcase aquaponic system in my office that's been doing well
for quite a while. I use a 3 shelf system a little more complicated than
you want, but scalable to your needs. Simplify!
2 : 10 Gal Aquariums (Goldfish in one, hybrid bream in the other)
2 : 4 foot cheapie light fixtures with 1 grow light bulb and one soft
white in each.
2 : 4 foot plastic window boxes currently housing mixed herbs, but
previously home to everything from corkscrew willow cuttings and rye
grass, to alliums.
I'm currently using a washer pump and low-fluid limit switch (meant for
a windshield washer reservoir) to pump water from the tanks on the top
shelf) and cheapie timer to to pump water to the top box (middle shelf)
and Archimedes siphon from the top box to the bottom box with a Little
Giant pump (the $38 one, I don't remember the GPH rating) as return to
the aquarium.
Jim
Our life is frittered away by detail..Simplify,
simplify.
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Subject: Cardomom (was Re: Getting started)
From: Gordon Watkins
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 07:50:30 -0600
vpage,
Can you describe your cardomom plants? How big are they/do they get? Have
yours flowered and produced seeds? Where did you get your original seed? I'd
love to have a homegrown source for making glugg.
Thanks, Gordon
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Subject: Re: Cardomom (was Re: Getting started)
From: "Wendy Nagurny"
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:32:39 -0500
>love to have a homegrown source for making glugg.
> Thanks, Gordon
Glugg?
Wendy
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Subject: Re: Cardomom (was Re: Getting started)
From: Dave Miller
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:49:46 -0500
Gordon,
I started cardamon about a month ago. The plant is very aromatic. I got
my seeds from an Indian grocery. They give you a pound for a few bucks.
We're talking thousand of seeds...No flowers yet.
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Dave
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Subject: Re: Genetic Engineering
From: "Sam Levy"
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 14:09:17 PST
Ted,
My own feeling is that the objection may be like Shakespeare's "more
than kin and less than kind"--that is a question of degree.
All activities designed to change an organism whether by selective
breeding-conscious or not-programs or by genetic engineering will be
subject to the Law of Unforseen Consequences. This is simply the result
of being a human endeavor.
I think that:
1--Traditional selective breeding techniques have been with us a while
and we've made our accomodation with them. We also thank that we
understand how they work.
2--The selective breeding techniques also create smaller increments of
change over any time span compared with the possibilities of changes
introduced via GE over the same time frame.
3--Enlightened concern (as opposed to mere "science bashing"), I believe
goes to the issue of magnitude. That is the assumption that the
potential magnitude of Unforseen Consequences is as great (or greater)
than the magnitude of potential changes using GE. And the question is:
do we have the ability to contain unforseen and deletorius consequences.
4--It seems to me fair to ask--about virtually any new process--
a) what are the calculated risks?
b) what steps are to be taken to prevent unexpected negative
consequences from leaving the study area?
I am not a geneticist and could be wrong about any of these points.
Sam
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Subject: Re: Mosquito Control
From: "William Brown"
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:26:44 -0000
I have heard that some of the cakes contain oil which might kill plants, so
be careful. Another method I have heard of is growing your own pyrethrum
flowers and adding a pinch of dried flower to the water to kill mosquito
larvae.
William Brown mahiwai@cmpmail.com
(aka lettuce@hilo.net)
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From: Ted Ground
To:
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 1999 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: Mosquito Control
>Also, there is a floating cake that one can place in water gardens that
>releases a variety of Bacillus thuringeniensis var. israelensis, which will
>kill the aquatic dipteran larvae in the water, but not harm fish or higher
>animals.
>
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Subject: Re: Lettuce post-harvest handling
From: "William Brown"
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 13:04:41 -0000
Andrew,
Can you get back to me with more details, brochure, whatever regarding
lettuce washer. We currently wash by hand, a very time consuming process.
Thanks,
William Brown mahiwai@cmpmail.com
(aka lettuce@hilo.net)
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From: Andrew
To:
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 1999 10:57 PM
Subject: RE: Lettuce post-harvest handling
[Andrew] Regarding post harvest of hydro lettuce.
We built a chiller unit that washed and chilled fancy lettuce mixes before
being weighed and packed. These lettuces were then bulk packed into styro
boxes and sent to the airport chefs for use on the domestic flight meals.
Very lucrative. Turn around is 18 days per head.
The washing process was simple in that we used flow aeration to agitate and
remove dusts etc while still continuing the flow on process of lettuce
through the chill and wash system. Chilling the lettuce definitely increased
shelf life.
We can supply the aeration units to the U.S however freight costs and the
lead time may vary to the final destination.
Cost is Aus $69.00. t/ex
The units can run parallel or individually and can be configured to a number
of pumping scenarios.
Andrew
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Subject: RE: Lettuce post-harvest handling
From: Andrew
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:02:29 +0930
The chiller unit itself was built of stainless steel.
We can have one built for you here in Australia or you can build your own
design there.
As for the aeration units as stated we can send those over to you. they
produce around
10 c.f.m. of aeration capability to suspend as well as wash lettuce etc.
We accept crdit cards (visa and master card)
Regards
Andrew
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Subject: Re: Cardomom (was Re: Getting started)
From: "vpage"
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:57:54 -0700
This is a less expensive idea, therfore better. I got my starter plant from
Richter's Herb Co in Ontario and divided it many many times. About 11/2 feet
tall, long pointed leaves,very aromatic, and no seeds or flowers when the
top blew off my greenhouse in Nov. Starting up again soon.
VPage
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From: Dave Miller
To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
Date: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: Cardomom (was Re: Getting started)
>Gordon,
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>I started cardamon about a month ago. The plant is very aromatic. I got
>my seeds from an Indian grocery. They give you a pound for a few bucks.
>We're talking thousand of seeds...No flowers yet.
>--
>Dave
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Subject: Re: Lettuce post-harvest handling
From: "Dale Robinson"
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:27:27 -0600
Washing lettuce shortens its shelf life.
I used to work for a company that make washers.
Pre-Pack Machinery Inc.
520 S. Country fair Dr.
Champaign, IL 61821-3668
PH. 217-352-1010
They also make packing machines for rent or buy.
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Subject: Re: Cardomom (was Re: Getting started)
From: "vpage"
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:36:16 -0700
About 11/2 feet tall-long pointed narrow (4-5 inches wide) leaves. I bought
one plant and split it into many.They break up at the root like ginger root.
Actually it grows like ginger does.
Leaves area forest green with tinges of scarlet
Didn't get seeds or flowers but made tea from dried leaves.
VPage
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