Aquaponics Digest - Mon 04/12/99
Message 1: Re: Aquatic microbiology again. Was: redclaw identification
from Dave Miller
Message 2: Re: Fish Waste
from Dave Miller
Message 3: Re: Fish Waste
from KLOTTTRUE
Message 4: Re: Fish Waste
from doelle
Message 5: Re: Aquatic MYSTERY
from doelle
Message 6: Re: Aquatic MYSTERY
from Gordon Watkins
Message 7: Re: Unsubscribe
from Dave Miller
Message 8: Re: Unsubscribe
from KLOTTTRUE
Message 9: Re: Cover
from KLOTTTRUE
Message 10: RE: RV: Tilapia sex reversal
from Alejandro Gallardo Valencia
Message 11: RE: Got Fish
from Alejandro Gallardo Valencia
Message 12: Unsubscribe
from "John Baird"
Message 13: RE: Cover
from "Ronald W. Brooks"
Message 14: Re: Cover
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 15: unsubscribe
from colin.brown@ns.sympatico.ca (Colin Brown)
Message 16: Re: Cover
from "TGTX"
Message 17: Re: Fish Waste
from "TGTX"
Message 18: Plastic Alternatives
from RootsMan
Message 19: Fish killing methods etc.
from RootsMan
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Subject: Re: Aquatic microbiology again. Was: redclaw identification
From: Dave Miller
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 23:00:04 -0400
Ted,
I am so glad that you are back on the list serve!
> The key is to feed the fish and the "pond" or culture water as the case
maybe, with something other than terrestrial animal manure.
Hey maybe extraterrestrial manure will be considered organic at some
point in time!
I know there are compost tumblers, what about attaching a motor to make
sure that the mix is homogeneous due to constant tumbling?
Finally, we will never live in a sterile environment so this means that
we are meant to take on some pathogens. DUH, that is how we create our
own antibodies. Sounds like the "state certification" folks need some
retraining or else should be fired and replaced with folks who better
understand the underlying mechanisms.
Dave
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A "green" home remodeler
A father of 2 cockatiels
An organic farmer
A veggie drummer/keyboardist
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Subject: Re: Fish Waste
From: Dave Miller
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 23:52:42 -0400
As a desire to reduce mass e-mail can we give certain thanks privately?
Just a thought to prevent the clog!
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Dave
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A "green" home remodeler
A father of 2 cockatiels
An organic farmer
A veggie drummer/keyboardist
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Subject: Re: Fish Waste
From: KLOTTTRUE
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 05:10:14 EDT
In a message dated 4/12/99 5:01:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
recycler@eclipse.net writes:
<< As a desire to reduce mass e-mail can we give certain thanks privately >>
O.K. Dave Thanks
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Subject: Re: Fish Waste
From: doelle
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:55:26 +1000
Ted,
That may be fine if you are the only aquaponic person in your district.
Imagine, however, there are 10-500 of them doing the same thing then you.
Wow, I would not like to be near the place despite your apparent dilution.
That is exactly what the situation is mostly in the tropic areas.
You may also be ok because your temperature is rather cool, but you may have
more trouble in summer.
IRemember, I never said that everybody is in the same situation and has the
same setup. Everybody has to see for himself whether there is a danger or not.
Do not wait until you burn your finger to realise theer is a fire, but
rather try to prevent the fire in the first place.
Horst
Horst W.Doelle, D.Sc., D.Sc. [h.c.]
Chairman, IOBB
Director, MIRCEN-Biotechnology
FAX: +617-38783230
Email: doelle@ozemail.com.au
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Subject: Re: Aquatic MYSTERY
From: doelle
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:56:19 +1000
Wonderful ! What a choice !!!
Horst
Horst W.Doelle, D.Sc., D.Sc. [h.c.]
Chairman, IOBB
Director, MIRCEN-Biotechnology
FAX: +617-38783230
Email: doelle@ozemail.com.au
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Subject: Re: Aquatic MYSTERY
From: Gordon Watkins
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 08:55:44 -0500
Sounds like the gall bladder to me, perhaps enlarged.
Gordon
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Subject: Re: Unsubscribe
From: Dave Miller
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:53:51 -0400
Steve,
I am curious why you chose to unsubscribe. I do not grow fish yet I
monitor the list as I believe in sustainable systems and this comes
close.
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Dave
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A "green" home remodeler
A father of 2 cockatiels
An organic farmer
A veggie drummer/keyboardist
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Subject: Re: Unsubscribe
From: KLOTTTRUE
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:14:34 EDT
In a message dated 4/12/99 11:54:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
recycler@eclipse.net writes:
<< I do not grow fish yet I
monitor the list as I believe in sustainable systems and this comes
close.
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Dave >>
What do you do Dave ?
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Subject: Re: Cover
From: KLOTTTRUE
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:17:44 EDT
Hello out there,Does anyone have any recommendations on what percentage shade
cloth to use on greenhouse? Thanks Ken
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Subject: RE: RV: Tilapia sex reversal
From: Alejandro Gallardo Valencia
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:12:34 -0500
No sweat, Uwe, you know we chitchat in spanglish anyway.
Best regards.
Ocean. Alejandro Gallardo Valencia
Tennessee # 11 Col. N=E1poles
03810 M=E9xico, D.F.
M=E9xico.
Tels: (5) 687 02 35
523 40 13
Tels/Fax (ofic.) (5) 687 79 88
536 44 87
Cel. (5) 460 60 53
e-mail: arturosm@sanchezm.com.mx
gallardo@data.net.mx
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De: Uwe Bruenjes [SMTP:uweb@megalink.net.mx]
Enviado el: Viernes 9 de Abril de 1999 2:22 PM
Para: aquaponics@townsqr.com
Asunto: Re: RV: Tilapia sex reversal
Hi Alejandro,
this time you really surprised me! Of course, SEMARNAP is the way to go! =
You already recommended them a few times, and I know the local officel. =
For some reason, the fact that I'm always corresponding in English on =
lists which are mostly composed be Americans, somehow didn't allow me to =
see solution right in front of my nose. Ok, ok, shame on me!
Uwe
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Subject: RE: Got Fish
From: Alejandro Gallardo Valencia
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:19:02 -0500
Sex determination is a rather easy task. You just take a representative =
sample and see, males have a long (about 2 mm) papilae below their anus, =
while females just have a small oviduct. Check any book or some =
manuals on the internet. If you know a bit of statistics, a simple =
analisys of a Gauss bell function should do. Or else, simply trust your =
sample is really representative. If you check 30 fish and they are all =
males, chances are, all of your fish are male.
Best regards.
Ocean. Alejandro Gallardo Valencia
Tennessee # 11 Col. N=E1poles
03810 M=E9xico, D.F.
M=E9xico.
Tels: (5) 687 02 35
523 40 13
Tels/Fax (ofic.) (5) 687 79 88
536 44 87
Cel. (5) 460 60 53
e-mail: arturosm@sanchezm.com.mx
gallardo@data.net.mx
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Subject: RE: Cover
From: "Ronald W. Brooks"
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:27:10 -0400
Ken
Where I keep my tanks I use 50% , this is to help control algae and temps
Where the orchids are I use 75%
the rest is in unshaded
Ron
The One Who Walks Two Paths
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-> From: aquaponics
-> [mailto:aquaponics]On Behalf Of KLOTTTRUE
-> Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 12:18 PM
-> To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
-> Subject: Re: Cover
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-> Hello out there,Does anyone have any recommendations on what
-> percentage shade
-> cloth to use on greenhouse? Thanks Ken
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Subject: Re: Cover
From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:46:20 -0400
Ken,
I will be putting 30% on here in Florida as soon as I can get some help
to put it up.
Adriana
KLOTTTRUE wrote:
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> Hello out there,Does anyone have any recommendations on what percentage shade
> cloth to use on greenhouse? Thanks Ken
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Subject: Re: Cover
From: "TGTX"
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:30:05 -0500
> Ken,
>
> I will be putting 30% on here in Florida as soon as I can get some help
> to put it up.
>
> Adriana
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> KLOTTTRUE wrote:
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> > Hello out there,Does anyone have any recommendations on what percentage
shade
> > cloth to use on greenhouse? Thanks Ken
Hi Adriana. How did you arrive at that decision? That is, on what basis
did you choose the 30% versus any other percentage?
Thanks.
Ted
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Subject: Re: Fish Waste
From: "TGTX"
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:44:20 -0500
Horst, you wrote:
> Ted,
>
> That may be fine if you are the only aquaponic person in your district.
Imagine, >however, there are 10-500 of them doing the same thing then you.
Wow, I would not >like to be near the place despite your apparent dilution.
That is exactly what the >situation is mostly in the tropic areas.
Horst, whereas I thought we were harmonically grooving there for a while, I
can see now that the "wagon of our love fest has broken down with the
baggage of life", thus we have derailed our short lived understanding for
the moment. Not to worry, amigo. I will push it out of the ditch if you
will help.
If there were 500 aquaponic greenhouses in my "district", what possible
objection could you have?..This would be like objecting to 500 organic
gardens in a region.
Why would you not want to be near "that place"? We're not talking rat
infested landfills in the Phillipines here, Horst. Once again, it seems we
definitely have a mismatch in understanding here. I would be happy to
answer your questions if you wish to learn more. Are you somehow confusing
aquaponics greenhouse operations with some kind of open environment, flow
through system? Since we have established that fish manure is not
dangerous given the conditions layed out in prior discussions, and given
the operation conditions we have discussed, I am at a loss to continue at
this point.
Have you ever toured an aquaponic greenhouse as most of us have been
discussing for the last year or so?
Just Curious.
Ted
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Subject: Plastic Alternatives
From: RootsMan
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:45:18 -0700
Hello all,
I would like to take a minute to introduce myself. My name is Mikey
Barnett, and I have been a long time listener to this group, through my
partner, Sue or "Greensue". I signed up personally a few weeks ago, as
we were involved in a nasty accident, but are both healing fine. Hence
her long absence, and my craving for more info.
I am a professional Electro Mechanical Eng. and have for the past few
years worked as an International Installations Eng. for various sectors
of the manufacturing, packaging and processing fields.
Sue and I have teamed up to create a small oasis of renewables here in
Jamaica. We have suffered some terrific "challenges", as I like to call
them, last being the accident.
We have sourced almost all of our needs in terms of a aquaponic setup,
and are in the throes of bringing this baby to the world, (the aquaponic
dream.) I have been inspired by much of your mail (which Sue has
archived and passed on to me,) not to give up, and that at least Im not
the only Mohican out there in the woods..or should I say, greenhouse.
A place like Jamaica should never be importing the tonnes of vegetables
it does, but then, we could get carried away discussing the monster of a
market we (or a few enlightened ones???) have created to make sure our
fate is inescapable into the millenium.I believe it is up to us
green-people, (not politically now, I meant close to nature, nature
loving..) to make a change.
I have two practical questions that are bothering me....
For our aquap. beds we are considering the most available and cheapest
form possible, that can withstand a slightly salty environment.
We are thinking of aluminium sheets coated with epoxy paint, or building
blocks formed into beds, with a sand lining around the perimeter of the
blocks and as well a fine sifted sand lining to prevent or hinder
punctures.
Recently I had the idea to use old tires to form the perimeter of the
beds, simply filing them with sand for stability.Makes a good
walk-around, raised surface.The tires can also be overlaid for
stability, two layers high.
*** what I need to know is this, Are there any alternatives than the
EPDM, or PVC liners? For the float systems (rafts,) is there an
alternative for the styrofoam sheets... has anyone used other materials
that have held up well? I have a source for Heavy construction plastic
sheets made from recycled polybags,(cheaper) or I can get it virgin, has
anyone got any experience with these, and what thickness is able to
withstand puncture best?
Jim R? (Love that U.Virgin Isles site!) Would anyone know if recycled
polybag plstic sheets are toxic to the fish?
*** I have a site where my water supply pipes are constantly being
damaged by heavy equipment driving over, but it is now too expensive to
dig them up. Does anyone of you have some applications in your
operations where you make use of a sort of overhead aquaduct system,
ideas for alternatives? Being that our largest agri product is sugar
canes, we irrigate with water channels not pipes as I was used to seeing
in Europe. Any sources sites links , pics of your own applications,
welcome... (large farmers..Jim Sealy Jr? etc.?)
There is a fellow on this group, who's down to earth or should we say
ground (?) approach tickles me brown...keep it up folks.... love the
practical approach this group has, even between the GE threads..:)
Thanks Mike.
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Subject: Fish killing methods etc.
From: RootsMan
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:47:39 -0700
Greetings again....
I had another question to the listeners in Israel.. (Levy et Co. :)
Shalom!! ) I am very open-minded, and tolerant however if you feel this
is of no interest to the group, please still contact me off line.
With all this talk of BSE (mad cow disease etc, and use of animal wastes
in feeds, alternative feeds and filleting) Could you tell me a bit more
about the methods by which fish are killed in Israel for them to be
kosher?? I find it interesting that there are peoples in the world that
are less likely to be affected by certain diseases, due to the fact that
they by belief (and please let us live and let live here...)avoid
putting certain things into their animals feeds, a fact which has
secretly sustained them (protected) for centuries!
Once while working there I had a discussion with a fellow in the hotel
reception area. We soon began talking on a variety of issues and he told
me a lot about the methods of beef production and slaughtering,
something I happen to know about. He then went on to discuss packaging,
handling and post processing, as well as issues such as humane death of
animals etc. After we ate something, he excused himself and the staff
came over curiously to ask if I knew who he was..I smiled and said
no...just a very knowledgeable guy... the then said he was the local
rabbi who had come to check if the lights were turned on at the right
time.. :) different folks....different strokes...
Thanks Mike.
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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