Aquaponics Digest - Thu 05/13/99




Message   1: Creating "Cyber" Community

             from Dave Miller 

Message   2: Browsing made easy

             from SCHUCH IVAN 

Message   3: Agroforestry newsletter

             from S & S Aqua Farm 

Message   4: Re: drippers

             from Jeff 

Message   5: adjustable drippers

             from LC543119

Message   6: Re: Creating "Cyber" Community

             from Paul Wilson 

Message   7: Re: Creating "Cyber" Community

             from "Marc S. Nameth" 

Message   8: Re: Creating "Cyber" Community

             from Tvoivozhd 

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Subject: Creating "Cyber" Community

From:    Dave Miller 

Date:    Thu, 13 May 1999 02:19:10 -0400

Aquaponics members and others you pass this on to:

"Community" has become a buzz word for good reason. When you grew up,

you knew your neighbors and left your door unlocked, you borrowed a cup

of sugar or a handtool and you helped shovel snow from an elders'

driveway. Some neighbors co-planted their landscape, watched a pet or

housesat when someone was away on vacation. You knew your neighbors and

prevented crime. At Halloween you were not concerned about poisoned

candy. Interestingly enough, as kids, your closest neighbors could scold

you when you were out of line and you could go there for school lunch

when mom could not be home. There were also the town functions,

fund-raising events, sports, PTA and other activities and of course the

parades.

Rather than ask the obvious, "Where did it all go?", I would rather

redirect the focus on how we are recreating safe, positive community. As

we have seen, the sense of community was important in how we were

raised. I can still go to my hometown and name the names of most of the

neighbors in my block. Can you do that today where you live now?

Community has changed:

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As a restorative effort, the meaning of community has changed and we

have had to find community in today's terms. First, many of us are going

back to our physical neighbors and replanting the seed of knowing and

watching each other. Borrowing a ladder or asking who painted their

house or fixed their furnace is also returning. But several new types of

community have also emerged.

Cyber Community:

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With the advent of the computer, e-mail and the internet, "virtual

communities" have emerged. You can be part of an aquaponics list online.

Want to exchange recipes, or ask for help with your automobile?  Be part

of a list serve or do a search. No you can't borrow a virtual cup of

sugar but if you don't have a handy mechanic on your block, you do have

one online. I personally offer help to a plumbing help line and

receive/give  gardening and other helpful tips from the lists I signed

up for. There are self-help groups, town resources, restaurant guides,

holistic help, swap/exchange clubs, free advice and many services

similar to the local community, all at the fingertips and usually for no

charge which is what is at the heart of being neighborly. I have sent

and received e-mails from faceless persons that I feel warmly about and

whom make be smile. :>

Other Community:

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In terms of redirecting whom we trust as our friends and neighbors when

we may not know the person who lives 3 doors down, we ARE refocusing

into groups of "kindred folk". This means simply that we are applying

our awareness and desire for the safety of community by the friends we

keep and trust AND whom our friends' contacts recommend.

In a sense, we are going back to the days of "barn-raising" and

bartering services. I can get all kinds of help from health, healing and

bodywork, music, repairs, food, legal, physical, editing, hydroponics,

computer services, etc. through my new "community". These kindred folks

I trust and co-create a renewed sense of community much like I grew up

in - yet more. This is not by accident, we all desire harmonious

surroundings in the tense and busy world we live in and most of all we

desire a sense of safety. I would certainly appreciate your thoughts on

this topic and will reprint if you desire. Feel free to reprint my own

thoughts in part or whole as long as you acknowledge my authorship - 

Dave Miller

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A kindred believer in community

A "green" home remodeler

A father of 2 cockatiels

An organic farmer

A veggie drummer/keyboardist

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Subject: Browsing made easy

From:    SCHUCH IVAN 

Date:    Mon, 10 May 1999 11:37:27 +0200

Best browser ive seen is Copernic 99.

Download from http://www.copernic.com

It covers various search engines and is very simple to operate. The demo

gives you search on the web, newsgroups and emails. No need to purchase the

whole program.

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Subject: Agroforestry newsletter

From:    S & S Aqua Farm 

Date:    Thu, 13 May 1999 08:56:15 -0500

"H. Allen Sylvester"  has forwarded a newsletter of

possible interest to group members.  The lead comments are listed below,

along with subscription information.  If you'd like a full copy of the

newsletter, please let me know at     Paula

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Subject: The Overstory #33--Mushrooms in Agroforestry

  Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 09:07:38 -1000

  From: "The Overstory" 

Welcome to The Overstory! This free e-mail newsletter serves people and

organizations working with tropical agroforestry, forestry and

sustainable development. Each issue presents a key concept for designing

sustainable, tree-based agricultural systems, and resources to help put the

concept into practice.

If this is your first issue, Aloha! We invite you to let others know

about The Overstory. The Overstory now reaches subscribers in over 90

countries.

To subscribe (or unsubscribe), please see message at the end of this

e-mail.

Information and comments: 

~~~ The Overstory #33--Mushrooms in Agroforestry ~~~

Contents:

~~ Mushrooms in Agroforestry ~~

~~ Permaculture with a Mycological Twist by Paul Stamets ~~

~~ Reference ~~

~~ Web Links ~~

~~ Publisher Notes ~~



Past editions of The Overstory:



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Subject: Re: drippers

From:    Jeff 

Date:    Thu, 13 May 1999 08:30:26 -0600

LC543119 wrote:

> 

> Adriana, Mark Creaser (son of Gordon Creaser) has been given the rights to

> distribute the adjustable dripper in the American continent for use in

> hydroponic and aquaponic systems

>                                         Gordon

Could you explain the advantages of these(or get Mark to) and where one

can buy them?

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Subject: adjustable drippers

From:    LC543119

Date:    Thu, 13 May 1999 20:47:22 EDT

JEFF, my father has used these drippers in many of the systems he installes 

around the world and found them to be the most reliable for controling 

nutrient from flow to drip they also make it possible to isolate trays in 

multiple tray systems,if you send me your adress private I will send you a 

sample

Mark Creaser

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Subject: Re: Creating "Cyber" Community

From:    Paul Wilson 

Date:    Thu, 13 May 1999 21:07:43 -0500

Dave, the neighborhood is about to dry up and blow away if this stuff sees

the light of day in the Congress!!!!

Dear Internet Subscriber:

Please read the following carefully if you intend to stay online and

continue using email: The last few months have revealed an alarming trend in

the Government of the United States attempting to quietly push through

legislation that will affect your use of the Internet. Under proposed

legislation the U.S. Postal Service will be attempting to bilk email users

out of "alternate postage fees". Bill 602P will permit the Federal Govt to

charge a 5 cent surcharge on every email delivered, by billing Internet

Service Providers at source. The consumer would then be billed in turn by

the ISP. Washington D.C. lawyer Richard Stepp is working without pay to

prevent this legislation from becoming law. The U.S. Postal Service is

claiming that

lost revenue due to the proliferation of email iscosting nearly $230,000,000

in revenue per year. You may have noticed their recent ad campaign "There is

nothing like a letter". Since the average citizen received about 10 pieces

of email per day in 1998, the cost to the typical individual would be an

additional 50 cents per day, or over $180 dollars per year, above and beyond

their regular Internet costs. Note that this would be money paid directly to

the U.S. PostalService for a service they do not even provide. The whole

point of the Internet is democracy and

non-interference. If the federal government is permitted to tamper with our

liberties by adding a surcharge to email, who knows where it will end. You

are already paying an exorbitant price for snail mail because of bureacratic

efficiency. It currently takes up to 6 days for a letter to be delivered

from New York to Buffalo. If the U.S. Postal Service is allowed to tinker

with email, it will mark the end of the "free" Internet in the United

States. One congressman, Tony Schnell (r) has even suggested a "twenty to

forty dollar per month surcharge on all Internet service" above and beyond

the government's proposed email charges. Note that most of the major

newspapers have ignored the story, the only exception being the

Washingtonian which called the idea of email surcharge "a useful concept

who's time has come" March 6th 1999 Editorial) Don't sit by and watch

yourfreedoms erode away!

Send this email to all Americans on your list and tell your friends and

relatives to write to their congressman and say "No!" to Bill 602P. Kate

Turner Assistant to Richard Stepp, Berger, Stepp and Gorman Attorneys at Law

216 Concorde Street, Vienna, Va.

Contact your Congressman at  the following address:

http://www.house.gov/writerep/

Just click on your state, zip code and they will give you the address of

your Congressman and e mail ready address.

The power of government rests squarely on its ability to deceive

Dave Miller wrote:

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Subject: Re: Creating "Cyber" Community

From:    "Marc S. Nameth" 

Date:    Thu, 13 May 1999 20:52:31 -0700

You may want to see:

http://www.canoe.ca/TechNews9904/21_hoax.html

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Subject: Re: Creating "Cyber" Community

From:    Tvoivozhd 

Date:    Thu, 13 May 1999 23:40:46 -0400

Paul Wilson wrote:

> Dave, the neighborhood is about to dry up and blow away if this stuff

> sees the light of day in the Congress!!!!

> Dear Internet Subscriber:

>

> Please read the following carefully if you intend to stay online and

> continue using email: The last few months have revealed an alarming

> trend in the Government of the United States attempting to quietly

> push through legislation that will affect your use of the Internet.

> Under proposed legislation the U.S. Postal Service will be attempting

> to bilk email users out of "alternate postage fees". Bill 602P will

> permit the Federal Govt to charge a 5 cent surcharge on every email

> delivered, by billing Internet Service Providers at source. The

> consumer would then be billed in turn by the ISP. Washington D.C.

> lawyer Richard Stepp is working without pay to prevent this

> legislation from becoming law. The U.S. Postal Service is claiming

> that

> lost revenue due to the proliferation of email iscosting nearly

> $230,000,000 in revenue per year. You may have noticed their recent ad

> campaign "There is nothing like a letter". Since the average citizen

> received about 10 pieces of email per day in 1998, the cost to the

> typical individual would be an additional 50 cents per day, or over

> $180 dollars per year, above and beyond their regular Internet costs.

> Note that this would be money paid directly to the U.S. PostalService

> for a service they do not even provide. The whole point of the

> Internet is democracy and

> non-interference. If the federal government is permitted to tamper

> with our liberties by adding a surcharge to email, who knows where it

> will end. You are already paying an exorbitant price for snail mail

> because of bureacratic efficiency. It currently takes up to 6 days for

> a letter to be delivered from New York to Buffalo. If the U.S. Postal

> Service is allowed to tinker with email, it will mark the end of the

> "free" Internet in the United States. One congressman, Tony Schnell

> (r) has even suggested a "twenty to forty dollar per month surcharge

> on all Internet service" above and beyond the government's proposed

> email charges. Note that most of the major newspapers have ignored the

> story, the only exception being the Washingtonian which called the

> idea of email surcharge "a useful concept who's time has come" March

> 6th 1999 Editorial) Don't sit by and watch yourfreedoms erode away!

>

> Send this email to all Americans on your list and tell your friends

> and relatives to write to their congressman and say "No!" to Bill

> 602P. Kate Turner Assistant to Richard Stepp, Berger, Stepp and Gorman

> Attorneys at Law 216 Concorde Street, Vienna, Va.

> Contact your Congressman at  the following address:

> http://www.house.gov/writerep/

> Just click on your state, zip code and they will give you the address

> of your Congressman and e mail ready address.

>

>>>tvoivozhd---another fecocephalic trying to spread a fecocephalic

hoax.  Is there a real Paul Wilson who is as stupid as the above crap

indicates"

http://www.cfc.dnd.ca/emailtax.html

S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775  417-256-5124

Web page  http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/



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