Aquaponics Digest - Fri 05/21/99
Message 1: Re: Algae
from "Sam Levy"
Message 2: Perlite beds
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 3: Microgreens
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 4: information
from Jose Pelleya
Message 5: Re: Microgreens - cut and come again?
from Carolyn Hoagland
Message 6: Re: Microgreens
from "Jim Sealy Jr."
Message 7: Re: Microgreens
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 8: perlite
from LC543119
Message 9: Re: Microgreens
from "Jim Sealy Jr."
Message 10: small farm
from LC543119
Message 11: Re: Microgreens
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 12: Tell me about the "aquaponics journal"
from Carolyn Hoagland
Message 13: Re: Tell me about the "aquaponics journal"
from Hydro/Aquatic Tech
Message 14: Re: Tell me about the "aquaponics journal"
from "Jim Sealy Jr."
Message 15: Re: Tell me about the "aquaponics journal"
from Nelson and Pade
Message 16: Re: Microgreens
from "William Brown"
Message 17: Re: Microgreens
from "William Brown"
Message 18: Re: Microgreens
from "Jim Sealy Jr."
Message 19: Re: Microgreens
from KLOTTTRUE
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Subject: Re: Algae
From: "Sam Levy"
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 04:27:00 PDT
Mauricio--
At this dosage, will there be no problems w/the bacteria in the system & no
uptake of copper by the plants?
Is the dosage 0.6 ppm (which I take ot mean 0.6 grams of COPPER/ cubic meter
of water) based on the volume of the fishtank only or of the total water
volume of the system?
Sam
P.S. just a reminder that this--like all therapeutic treatments should be
tried out on a sample out of the system first--the toxicity of copper varies
with the hardness of the culture water
>From: "Palchik"
>Reply-To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: Algae
>Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:47:40 +0300
>
>Yes:
>CuSO4 ,0.6ppm, twice:
>First at 16.00hs, and the
>second one the day after at 8.00hs. good luck
>mauricio
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Subject: Perlite beds
From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:56:37 -0400
That's very interesting Joel. It begs the question - why do flood and
drain at all if the results are so much better with constant drip?
Adriana
> I run 100% perlite in a flood and drain setup and fill to within 1/2 inch of
> the top without floating. The trick is to keep the fill rate down and not to
> overfill the container w/ nurtrient. I'm also using it in drip setups in
> bags with great results. At my house the plant growth in a constant drip
> setup, using the same nutrient, exceed the plants in a timed flood and drain
> setup by about 3 or 4 to 1.
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Subject: Microgreens
From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:58:56 -0400
A chef asked me this morning if I was familiar with microgreens,
essentially mesclun ingredients harvested at the very early stage just
beyond seedling. It seems like the greens version of "can you top this"
and would cost beaucoup bucks because of the minimal yields and
increased handling. Just curious.
Adriana
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Subject: information
From: Jose Pelleya
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 05:39:51 -0600
Dear Gordon:
I meant to write you and thank you for the fax. I'll be in touch when I'm
ready to do something. This is just a small operatuion, and may just grow
on its own, slowly.
Jose
At 12:06 PM 5/20/99 EDT, you wrote:
>Jim, I am presently involved in three projects useing perlite as a
>biological filter I I have three other consultants working with me on
>these multmillion dollar projects if you want you can keep in touch and I
>will keep you posted on the progress by the way two of these projects are
>raising sturgeon for caviar production. I dont have much time to review the
>list as I am travelling most of the time good to talk to you again
> Gordon Creaser
>
Thoughts for the day:
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I--I took the one less traveled
by, and that has made all the difference".
-- Robert Frost
Check our website at
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Subject: Re: Microgreens - cut and come again?
From: Carolyn Hoagland
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:02:06 -0500
Adriana
I'd ask him to be specific about the leaf size he is looking for. Some of
the expensive restaurants near Atlanta sell a "baby greens" salad which is
the mesclun mix. The leaf size is about 1" to 2 1/2". Seems like I've read
that you can grow these mesclun varieties to the 4" to 5" size then cut out
the young center - leaving a few of the outer leaves to provide a base for
quick regrowth.
I''ve seen the mesclun mix seed mixed that are offered and they *are*
expensive. Also, I am guessing that they each have a slightly different
growth rate, spacing requirement. I would be tempted to grow the individual
varieties in separate beds, then mix them at marketing time. If it turns
out you need to reseed each time, you might want to "grow on" enough plants
in an outdoor field and then collect the seed - I believe most of these
varieties are open pollinated.
Carolyn Hoagland
* I have no hydroponic/aquponic experience. (I have operated a commercial
greenhouse.)
I am lurking here to see if a market for specialty items could be developed
in the rural area where I live.
Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta wrote:
> A chef asked me this morning if I was familiar with microgreens,
> essentially mesclun ingredients harvested at the very early stage just
> beyond seedling. It seems like the greens version of "can you top this"
> and would cost beaucoup bucks because of the minimal yields and
> increased handling. Just curious.
>
> Adriana
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Subject: Re: Microgreens
From: "Jim Sealy Jr."
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:09:41 -0500
Sounds like fun. Taking into account the reduced growing time and
increased coverage possible in the grow media, total yields could be
respectable. Harvest and handling could turn out to be real work though.
We're selling some baby radishes and carrots grown this way (super tight
spacing) and have had good yields in $/sq.ft.terms.
Jim
PS: I'm trying 'green' trees on a north wall with some success. These
are vinyl gutters in shelf brackets in a near vertical arrangement to
increase the effective floor space. They only receive morning full sun
and reflected light the rest of the day.
Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta wrote:
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> A chef asked me this morning if I was familiar with microgreens,
> essentially mesclun ingredients harvested at the very early stage just
> beyond seedling. It seems like the greens version of "can you top this"
> and would cost beaucoup bucks because of the minimal yields and
> increased handling. Just curious.
>
> Adriana
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Subject: Re: Microgreens
From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 12:55:05 -0400
Actually, Jim I think the micro greens could be a real pain in the
@%$#. I am intrigued by your radishes and carrots however - what
varieties are successful and how long does it take from seeding to
harvest. Also who is buying and how are they using them, as garnish?
> We're selling some baby radishes and carrots grown this way (super tight
> spacing) and have had good yields in $/sq.ft.terms.
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Subject: perlite
From: LC543119
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:13:44 EDT
Jim R, The consultants involved are from Russia Holland Israel and myself
for reasons which are obvious information on these projects will not be made
press until they are in operation which will be in the very near future I
will be writing an article in the Aquaponic Journal in the fall on these
projects if the owners give permission and you know how that goes.
Gordon Creaser
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Subject: Re: Microgreens
From: "Jim Sealy Jr."
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 13:16:38 -0500
Several white tablecloth restaurants and a country club chef like the
baby veggies around here. I'm working on getting them onto the casino
buffets but they'll want _big_ guaranteed deliveries.
Burpee Cherry Bomb radish can be pulled at 14 days (marble sized), grown
in perlite, with seed directly sown. They make a cute edible garnish
when tied into a bunch.
'Short-N-Sweet'(bright orange) and 'Sweet Sunshine'(deep yellow) pulled
at 30-35 days. Very tender young carrots can be served as garnish, with
salads, or steamed/stir fried. I keep the baby carrots in my office for
munchies. pull every other one and if you don't sell all of them you
have some nice crispy full sized carrot with a mild sweet flavor. Much
better shapes in hydro beds than what's grown in the gardens here.
I'm planting some microgreens and will invite the club chef over to try
them and see what he's willing to pay, then I'll decide just how fun
they'll be. ;)
Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta wrote:
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> Actually, Jim I think the micro greens could be a real pain in the
> @%$#. I am intrigued by your radishes and carrots however - what
> varieties are successful and how long does it take from seeding to
> harvest. Also who is buying and how are they using them, as garnish?
>
> > We're selling some baby radishes and carrots grown this way (super tight
> > spacing) and have had good yields in $/sq.ft.terms.
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Subject: small farm
From: LC543119
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:36:08 EDT
Jose, 90% of my clients start small and grow with there system however it is
important to do your home work before spending hard earned money and time on
a system that may or not work when people rush in and fail the whole industry
suffers.I think that the list is doing a great job in letting prospective
farmers be it large or small get input from a variety of angles. Adriana is a
good example and is now doing a good job and looking to expand her operation
I expect her to be a great success ,she has followed my advise and also her
own ideas which is great because she is willing to share her progress with
the list
Gordon Creaser
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Subject: Re: Microgreens
From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:39:06 -0400
More questions, Jim:
How deep are your perlite beds?
What price are you getting for the baby veggies?
Do you tie the radishes up before delivery? If so with what? How many
to the bunch?
I harvested some tasoi this morning at about 2 weeks of age. They make
small florets about 2-3" long. I harvested 1# out of about 3 square
feet.
Is anybody selling full-size tatsoi? What is it being used for on the
menu?
Adriana
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Subject: Tell me about the "aquaponics journal"
From: Carolyn Hoagland
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:51:31 -0500
Gordon Creaser mentioned that he is going to be writing an article or two for
the aquaponics journal. Do they have a website? How can I subscribe?
Carolyn Hoagland
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Subject: Re: Tell me about the "aquaponics journal"
From: Hydro/Aquatic Tech
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 19:18:48 -0400
To subscribe to the journal contact Rebecca Nelson at
There website is http://www.aquaponics.com/
It's a great source of information on aquaponics.
Scott Jones
Hydro/Aquatic Technologies
> Gordon Creaser mentioned that he is going to be writing an article or two for
> the aquaponics journal. Do they have a website? How can I subscribe?
>
> Carolyn Hoagland
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Subject: Re: Tell me about the "aquaponics journal"
From: "Jim Sealy Jr."
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 19:28:55 -0500
Speaking of authors on-list (and Gordons who can write) ...
Anybody else catch Gordon Watkins' cover story in 'the Growing Edge'
magazine? Calls for an 'Atta Boy' for sure.
I've been wanting to learn about Theop Inslee's bass operation for a
while, since I seem to specialize in killing bass I try to raise on
artificial food. I'd heard of his success so kept trying. I'll try again
now with younger fish (2" fry rather than 4-6" fingerlings) and hope to
have better luck.
I was pleasantly surprised to see he's also raising chives
aquaponically on a commercial scale. I've played with them in my office
(wall unit aquaponic system), but figured they were too cheap to be
worth the marketing. Might have to make another run at growing some.
Jim Sealy Jr.
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Subject: Re: Tell me about the "aquaponics journal"
From: Nelson and Pade
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:54:40 -0700
Jim Sealy Jr. wrote:
> I've been wanting to learn about Theop Inslee's bass operation for a
> while, since I seem to specialize in killing bass I try to raise on
> artificial food. I'd heard of his success so kept trying. I'll try again
We did a feature on Theop Inslee's aquaponic system and bass farm in the
Oct/Nov 98 issue of the Aquaponics Journal. You can order back issues
at our website if you are interested.
Rebecca Nelson
Editor, Aquaponics Journal http://www.aquaponics.com
Nelson/Pade Multimedia
Aquaponics Technology Center
http://www.aquaponics.com
phone 209-742-6869
fax 209-742-4402
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Subject: Re: Microgreens
From: "William Brown"
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:50:28 -1000
Baby greens are very labor intensive even with their good yields. Make sure
you get a suitable price. I personally would get out of the business
because the return is so poor (my wife does it for friends). People only
pay US$4/lb here. Flowers are much better at US$9/lb.
William Brown mahiwai@cmpmail.com
(aka lettuce@hilo.net)
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Subject: Re: Microgreens
From: "William Brown"
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:53:18 -1000
We eat the big/full size tatsoi. We put the quarter size and smaller size
in the salad mix stuff. They don't look as nice if all broken or chopped
up. Boiled or steamed very much like spinach with a slightly nutty taste.
William Brown mahiwai@cmpmail.com
(aka lettuce@hilo.net)
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Subject: Re: Microgreens
From: "Jim Sealy Jr."
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 19:49:04 -0500
How deep? 4" on the radishes and 8" on the carrots. (perlite's not as
cheap as gravel so I use as little as I can)
Price? Runs $4.50-$6.50/lb delivered daily, and I take back up to 10%.
Twice daily if the order is worth the trip.
I deliver the radishes and carrots laid out in rows on blotter paper
after a chilling rinse. I've seen them tied with everything from sisal
or hemp string to ribbon.
They're very pretty laid out on a fan of multicolored swiss chard or
beet greens, around a head of flowering kale on a salad bar.
Speaking of pretty food and edible flowers... Has anyone tried growing
nasturtiums in an aquaponic system? They'd seem well suited to small
systems since they're not very picky about temperatures or soil
conditions.
Jim Sealy Jr.
(Sometime grower of pretty vegetables and tasty flowers)
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Subject: Re: Microgreens
From: KLOTTTRUE
Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 21:57:14 EDT
In a message dated 5/21/99 8:57:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
gutierrez-lagatta@home.com writes:
<<
A chef asked me this morning if I was familiar with microgreens,
essentially mesclun ingredients harvested at the very early stage just
beyond seedling. It seems like the greens version of "can you top this"
and would cost beaucoup bucks because of the minimal yields and
increased handling. Just curious.
Adriana >>
Hello everyone,I was just wondering,would baby veggies have less nutritional
value,because of less time to take up nutrients? Thanks Wonder Boy
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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