Aquaponics Digest - Sat 07/31/99
Message 1: Re: Fishfried Panic
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 2: Re: Fishfried Panic
from "Jim Sealy Jr."
Message 3: 'Waste' = 'Organic by-product'
from "Jim Sealy Jr."
Message 4: Re: changing my address
from "James Lilly"
Message 5: Re: changing my address
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 6: Re: Fishfried Panic
from james.rakocy@uvi.edu (James Rakocy, Ph.D.)
Message 7: Re: Fishfried Panic
from "Marcy L. Nameth"
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Subject: Re: Fishfried Panic
From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 02:23:00 -0400
> I am hoping to be a model of low-cost
> aquaponics so that others will do it everywhere (schools, institutions, and
> individuals) so that we can start creating community food security,
> self-reliance, cheap quality protein sources and all that good stuff, with
> y2k being the spur. Does it all make sense?
> Tom,
You have a lot to accomplish and de-bug in the next few months but it
sounds like you have the time and energy to do it. The 2-liter
bottles will probably not work for the roots of plants like tomatoes and
potatoes. I'm also not so sure about the low-cost element. Have you
priced solar pumps on the web? They start at over a $1,000 dollars, vs.
$150 for an electric pump from Home Depot. Good luck.
Be sure to get a copy of "Home Aquaculture, A Guide to Backyard Fish
Farming" by Steven D. Van Gorder and Douglas J. Strange. It has lots of
low-tech solutions and good advice on day-to-day management. You can
order it on-line directly from the author if Jim R would be so kind as
to repost the info. Another essential is the catalog from Aquatic
Ecosystems, www.aquaticeco.com , for everything under the sun.
Adriana
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Subject: Re: Fishfried Panic
From: "Jim Sealy Jr."
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 05:15:03 -0500
Tom,
If you're intent on recycled goods as your source for materials, Give the
bottles to
the recycler and then find your local home dismantler and hit him up for
some free
bathtubs, or go to a lumberyard or hardware store who gives trade-ins on water
heaters. You can usually pick those up for the scrap metal cost, which is
running
about $.03/lb. around here. Translates into about 3-4 bucks per water heater
tank,
which will provide 2 20-25 gallon grow trays, and they're already meant for
drinking
water so you don't have to worry about leaching chemicals. They take about
an hour
for me to strip one down. The newer tanks (1970's or newer) cut easily with
a jig
saw or circular saw with the correct blade. The older tanks were enamel
lined, while
the newer ones have plastic linings. They're being replaced with more efficient
(better insulated) designs these days. Any old ones you can pick up work
well for
rain water or solar heat storage. While you're scrounging, you should be able to
load up a truck with used conduit for your greenhouse frame for about the
same scrap
metal price. Galvanized EMT conduit works out to about $.09 per stick this
way or
about $15/pick-up load and they'll leave the wiring in it if you catch the
right guy
at the right time.
You should also be able to pick up all the free heavy duty clear plastic you can
carry if you make friends with someone independent who pours cement. They
usually
use the plastics once, then trash it since it's cheaper for them to buy new
than to
pay someone to wash it down, and store it. That's where I used to get all of
mine
That's also a source of all the free lumber you should need if you don't
mind having
it lightly coated with concrete, and having to pull a few nails. Same deal
as above.
It's cheaper for the concrete finisher to buy new than to clean up the used
boards.
For work tables, find someone who receives materials on pallets. Newspapers
are a
good source for these since they're newsprint usually rides on high quality
boards
and most newspapers give the pallets away rather than paying to have them
recycled
or landfilled.
None of this might apply in Calif. but they hold true in most states I've
worked in
before.
Oh well, time to go feed, then play builder for a little while, then maybe fool
around with the horses for a change.
Jim
PS: to see some pics of my newest addition to the family, visit
http://www.i55mall.com/Farm/
Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta wrote:
>
> > I am hoping to be a model of low-cost
> > aquaponics so that others will do it everywhere (schools, institutions, and
> > individuals) so that we can start creating community food security,
> > self-reliance, cheap quality protein sources and all that good stuff, with
> > y2k being the spur. Does it all make sense?
> > Tom,
>
> You have a lot to accomplish and de-bug in the next few months but it
> sounds like you have the time and energy to do it. The 2-liter
> bottles will probably not work for the roots of plants like tomatoes and
> potatoes. I'm also not so sure about the low-cost element. Have you
> priced solar pumps on the web? They start at over a $1,000 dollars, vs.
> $150 for an electric pump from Home Depot. Good luck.
>
> Adriana
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Subject: 'Waste' = 'Organic by-product'
From: "Jim Sealy Jr."
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 07:56:05 -0500
Around here we refer to it as an 'organic by-product' and try not to smile
when we
say it.
This sounds much better than 'waste' or heaven forbid 'manure' when
describing what
we feed the worms producing the fertilizer (castings) for our truck patches and
potting mix.
Update: Fish and cows are all fed and my vermicomposting is up to 1200
lb./day now,
and that's handling a lot of bull by-product. ;)
That is.. vermicomposting of cattle manure, straw, and table/paper scraps
otherwise
destined for the landfill is highly gratifying. Now excuse me while I put my
boots
outside and change into my walking clothes..
About UVI: Is it possible to sort of pop in for a quick visit and cook's tour?
Jim
vpage wrote:
>
> It sometimes takes a different type of thinker to see the value of waste and
> as classmate Mark said, "We have to stop calling it waste."
> Thanks to the UVI for making this course available as well.
> Victoria
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Subject: Re: changing my address
From: "James Lilly"
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 10:27:55 -0400
What is the "Digest" version as described below?
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Subject: Re: changing my address
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 09:34:28 -0500
At 10:27 AM 7/31/99 -0400, James Lilly wrote:
>What is the "Digest" version as described below?
>
>
The digest is a once-daily email post containing all the messages to the
aquaponics list for that day - usual cut-off time is midnight. This works
well for many people, as all the pertinent messages are contained in one
(sometimes two) post. Below is a snipped version of the type of message
you would receive with the digest version:
o: aquaponics-digest@townsqr.com
Subject: Aquaponics Digest - Fri 07/30/99
From: aquaponics-digest-request@townsqr.com
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 00:00:15 -0500
Reply-To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
Sender: aquaponics-digest-request@townsqr.com
Message 1: FREE Plans and DOCU's
from dreadlox@cwjamaica.com (michael kent barnett)
Message 2: Re: Message length
from bkrohr@northnet.org (Bruce D. Rohr)
Message 3: Greenhouse plans
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 4: Re: SGVGA Meeting
from "grizzly"
Message 5: Fishfried
from Bagelhole1
Message 6: Re: Fishfried Panic
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 7: Re: Fishfried Panic
from Bagelhole1
Message 8: Re: Greenhouse plans
from "Jim Sealy Jr."
Message 9: Re: Greenhouse plans
from Mike Strates
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Subject: FREE Plans and DOCU's
From: dreadlox@cwjamaica.com (michael kent barnett)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 00:49:09 +0100
Hi folks...
Its been a long time recovering from my car accident. To all who wrote
me off line Thanks!! Is Uwe off for summer, or how are you coping
compadre? My back still hurts sometimes, but Im fine generally..
For those who need figures in diagrams and always gladly FREE...
check this out for greenhouse plans with BOM and measurements...
http://forums.cosmoaccess.net/forum/survival/prep/green.htm
To Bagelhole.... there is no rush to Aquaponics, (listen to these
people..!!, theyre good folks... :) ) and hey, ( without getting
religious here, If there is a GOD, I dont think he would cause us to
starve out over some dumb mistake we did, programming our computer chips
wrong, ) prepare man , but dont panic, (first rule). Nature (AND
CERTAINLY NOT AQUAPONICS) cannot be rushed...(after all, the Almighty is
the Master Aquaponiker, who created the all those little itsy bitsy
microorganisms down to the microscopic level for these complex
biosystems to regulate itself. And hey, wouldnt it be great to just
pull the plug and start all over, a la little house and the prairie?
Let me quit joking.. if you need answers NOW.. start with the
agricultural extension offices, down to your worms and crickets (which I
do too) check out
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/scripts/htmlgen.exe?MENU_FA
there are many other such pages on most extension sites... where this
group really fires is when you ask really specific questions.. (Ive been
there..)
Ive downloaded tons of PDF files from other sites too, so just plug in
extensiion offices in a search and look what comes up!!
THAT was to me the fastest way to start up in terms of documentation.
When you are setup, youll find many will help to fine tune your
operation answering your specific question.. Dont feel daunted by the
response level, each group has its pulse...
Good luck with your systems...
Welcome aboard..
Mike.
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Subject: Re: Message length
From: bkrohr@northnet.org (Bruce D. Rohr)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 06:56:17 -0400
SNIP
You can still respond to the group (should change the subject line, however,
so subject doesn't always show the digest version number but the actual
subject), but you'll not be getting posts in "real time", just delayed.
Many folks use this version since they only receive mail at the office, or
because they receive ALL their mail group posts in digest version and it
just works best for them.
Let me know if you have any problems converting to digest if that's what you
decide to do. ....
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: Re: Fishfried Panic
From: james.rakocy@uvi.edu (James Rakocy, Ph.D.)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 12:03:20 -0400 (AST)
>Be sure to get a copy of "Home Aquaculture, A Guide to Backyard Fish
>Farming" by Steven D. Van Gorder and Douglas J. Strange. It has lots of
>low-tech solutions and good advice on day-to-day management. You can
>order it on-line directly from the author if Jim R would be so kind as
>to repost the info.
You can contact Steve at: altaqua@ptd.net
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Subject: Re: Fishfried Panic
From: "Marcy L. Nameth"
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 11:54:40 -0700
"James Rakocy, Ph.D." wrote:
>
> >Be sure to get a copy of "Home Aquaculture, A Guide to Backyard Fish
> >Farming" by Steven D. Van Gorder and Douglas J. Strange. It has lots of
> >low-tech solutions and good advice on day-to-day management. You can
> >order it on-line directly from the author if Jim R would be so kind as
> >to repost the info.
>
> You can contact Steve at: altaqua@ptd.net
Sir,
I am contacting you regarding acquiring a copy of the above
mentioned book. If you have a web site I would appreciate
that address.
Marc S. Nameth
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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