Aquaponics Digest - Thu 08/12/99
Message 1: Re: Rainwater Harvesting and Purification System
from "Lloyd R. Prentice"
Message 2: Pesticides in rainwater
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 3: Re: Pesticides in rainwater
from Bagelhole1
Message 4: introduction
from Debra Russell
Message 5: Re: introduction
from Peggy & Emmett
Message 6: Re: [Re: introduction]
from Debra Russell
Message 7: Re: [RE: [Re: introduction]]
from Debra Russell
Message 8: Greenhouse in Florida
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 9: Aquaponics
from "Marcy L. Nameth"
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Subject: Re: Rainwater Harvesting and Purification System
From: "Lloyd R. Prentice"
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:24:16 -0400
"Marcy L. Nameth" wrote:
> I agree the government thing is but I decided to "be
> offended" by the anti people liberal bunch.
I regret that this list is taking on a rather unconstructive political
tone.
I happen to believe that we get the government we deserve. Marc was
unhappy about some of the things that the Colorado state government was
doing/not doing so he exerted his hard-won citizen rights in attempt to
bring things around more to his way of thinking. Sounds like he had some
influence, and, if so, we should all celebrate the fact that the system
works.
Similarly, we should all follow Marc's example when we're "offended" by
govenment/social action/inaction. Heaven knows there's enough to be
offended about.
Personally, I'm deeply offended when a political party offers
face-to-face access to a Senator in exchange for a $1 million political
contribution; or when a state board of education outlaws the teaching of
evolutionary biology; or when consenting adults are compelled to testify
in court about private sexual behavior. And I'm sure that I can easily
create many an unproductive donnybrook on this list by expressing these
and other political, religious and philosophical views that I may hold.
But I hold in great esteem the knowledge, experience and wisdom related
to aquaponics and allied topics expressed by the many contributors to
this list, even the contributions of those who may hold life views at
variance with my own. In fact, the diversity of perspectives in itself
is of great value. Given the diversity of the list, however, the only
way I can see to further the productive exchange of ideas and views that
have animated us to date is to cherish and promote the virtues of mutual
respect and tolerance of divergent views, while retaining the spirit of
rational disagreement and critical inquiry. If these virtues rein, then
we could even, perhaps, on occasion, talk civilly and productively about
politics, religion and philosophy as it relates to aquaponics -- and,
just maybe, learn valuable things from one another and even improve our
stature in life.
But the surest way to destroy the very rights that Marc exerted, and
most certainly the civility of this list, is to resort to unthinking
labels like "anti-people liberal bunch." It's in cheap fashion today to
villify "liberals," as it was a few decades ago to villify
"conservatives," as it was a century ago to villify "Papists." Nazis
employed the label "Jew" and Chinese Communists the phrase
"capitalist-roader" in much the same spirit. As George Orwell taught us,
such meaningless, but emotionally loaded labels are a great way to
monkey-wrench rational thought and more... such demonization is the
first step toward oppression.
In short, I am as deeply offended when liberals demonize conservatives
as vice-versa. When I look to history I see evils perpetrated in the
name of good by fanatics of every stripe -- liberal, conservative and
religious. I have yet to find a political, religious, or philosophical
persuasion that embodies the whole truth. And the greater the
self-proclamations of truth, the greater my suspicions. On the other
hand, I have yet to find one that can't teach me something, if only what
to abhore and why.
Best wishes,
Lloyd R. Prentice
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Subject: Pesticides in rainwater
From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:40:12 -0400
Here is an item of concern to those of you who are considering cisterns
for household or greenhouse use. The September/October issue of Organic
Gardening (pg 16) is reporting that studies have found that rainfall in
Canada contained the herbicide 2,4-D at levels which could harm plants.
Furthermore "Swiss scientists have shown that much of Eyurope's
rainwater is so contaminated with pesticides that it would be illegal to
use as drinking water." Further details are available in the September
1999 issue of Analytical Chemistry. Yuck! I assume that the same
findings are likely to hold true in the US.
Adriana Gutierrez
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Subject: Re: Pesticides in rainwater
From: Bagelhole1
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:36:57 EDT
Hi everyone, I sent this to Marc of the aquaponics, but would be interested
in any and all opinions, thanks in advance, Tom O
Hi Marc,
Thanks for coming into the guestbook. I have a question for you. I
was looking at your great site and read the part about bacteria. That may be
something we are leaving out. I am using the vertical growing technique of 2
liter plastic bottles with the ends cut off then put some holes thru the end
and stuff it down to the top of the bottle as a grate to slow the water down
which comes from tubes above. The bottles are facing downward and the plants
are placed inside with a hole for the stem to grow on the outside, if you
follow. The pump in the trench will pump the fish water up to the tubes over
the top of the greenhouse structure and drip out holes above each vertical
line of bottles stuck together (about 6 1/2') and drip back into the trench.
But where is the bacteria, do we need some growing medium for the roots for
the bacteria or a biofilter of some kind? Do you have any advice?
Kind Regards,
Tom O
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Subject: introduction
From: Debra Russell
Date: 12 Aug 99 12:07:39 PDT
I am writing from Florida. After the terrible garden season and weeds w=
aist
high I am considering aquaponic. I already understand basic amonia to ni=
trate
stuff since I had a 900 gal. Koi pound with a biological filter for years=
until I moved this year.
Boy am I kicking myself in the rear for wasting all those years when I =
could
have be gardening too. Anyway I have a question. Do I realy need a gree=
n
house in this sub tropical weather? I can see no reason to use one. But =
I
have no real hydroponics experience.
Debra
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Subject: Re: introduction
From: Peggy & Emmett
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:48:28 -0400
Where in Florida are you located?
At 12:07 PM 8/12/99 PDT, Debra Russell wrote:
>I am writing from Florida. After the terrible garden season and weeds waist
>high I am considering aquaponic. I already understand basic amonia to
nitrate
>stuff since I had a 900 gal. Koi pound with a biological filter for years
>until I moved this year.
> Boy am I kicking myself in the rear for wasting all those years when I
could
>have be gardening too. Anyway I have a question. Do I realy need a green
>house in this sub tropical weather? I can see no reason to use one. But I
>have no real hydroponics experience.
>Debra
>
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Subject: Re: [Re: introduction]
From: Debra Russell
Date: 12 Aug 99 14:17:17 PDT
I am located in a small town in Polk county. Which is in central Florida =
if
you are not familiar with the county's. Debra
Peggy & Emmett wrote:
Where in Florida are you located?
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Subject: Re: [RE: [Re: introduction]]
From: Debra Russell
Date: 12 Aug 99 15:00:31 PDT
About 10 miles from bartow. Debra
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Lyons, Mark A" wrote:
Anywhere near Bartow?
Mark A. Lyons
Business Support
Boeing, Oak Ridge
Phone: 423/481-7620
Fax: 423/481-7440
mark.lyons@pss.boeing.com
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Subject: Greenhouse in Florida
From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:08:05 -0400
Debra,
After 6 months in a greenhouse in Sarasota I found mysef wondering the
same thing. Here are my thoughts.
I know of someone here who grows hydroponic tomatoes outside with no
problems. However there are advantages and some disadvantages to
growing in a greenhouse.
1. A greenhouse will allow you to put a "roof" over your fruits and
veggies. This keeps goodies like bird droppings of off them. It also
keeps the tender greens from getting flattened by monsoon rains which
would probably destroy them.
2. Having sides allows you to screen the bugs out, or in some cases in,
I believe. It also allows you to enclose the whole structure in plastic
should you expect a freeze.
3. A disadvantage in the summer is that you are growing at a higher
temperature than the ambient temperature due to the "greenhouse
effect." In the winter the added heat allows you to grow from-February,
which is risky if you are outside.
All in all, at a minimum, I would cover the top of the structure. This
will give you a framework to hang shade-cloth in the summer, which will
be absolutely essential to keep from frying the crops. Barring any
freezes, you could run "bare" from October to March, but you'll have a
cleaner, nicer crop if you grow them in a greenhouse. I think that
telling a prospective chef that you grow it in a greenhouse makes the
product more appealling also.
Adriana
> Do I realy need a green
> house in this sub tropical weather? I can see no reason to use one. But I
> have no real hydroponics experience.
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Subject: Aquaponics
From: "Marcy L. Nameth"
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:40:38 -0600
Recieved this from the sister in law:
Two guys start an aquaponics buisiness. They buy all the
equipment - the tanks, the pumps, the growing beds, the
greenhouse, the fish, and even a farm in the woods. They
spend a fortune!
The first month they start farming, but they can't grow
anything. The same thing happens the second month, and the
third. Their fish die one after another. It goes on like
this until finally, when the last of their fish is still
alive, they harvest it.
As they're driving home they're really depressed. One guy
turns to the other and says, "Do you realize that this one
lousy fish we grew cost us two hundred and fifty thousand
bucks?"
The other guy says, "Wow! Then it's a good thing we didn't
grow any more!"
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