Aquaponics Digest - Mon 10/04/99
Message 1: Re:
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Message 2: Re: Bacteria innoculants
from ranchos@sol.racsa.co.cr
Message 3: Re: [tilapia] News from Costa Rica
from ranchos@sol.racsa.co.cr
Message 4: Re: Grant for school system
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 5: Re: Grant for school system
from MUDDTOO
Message 6: Re: Grant for school system
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 7: Re: Grant for school system
from
Message 8: Re: Grant for school system
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 9: Important new advances
from "Jewel Lopez"
Message 10: Re: Grant for school system
from mmiller@pcsia.com
Message 11: Re: Important new advances
from "Barry Thomas"
Message 12: Re: Important new advances
from "Barry Thomas"
Message 13: Re: processing
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Subject: Re:
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Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 7:59:36 + 5 EST
I'm sure that $2000 will disappear quickly, but there is always another grant!
Thanks,
Mike
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Subject: Re: Bacteria innoculants
From: ranchos@sol.racsa.co.cr
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 07:38:40 -0500
Ted:
You're a poet and don't know it.
Thanks for the treatise on life.
Jose
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Subject: Re: [tilapia] News from Costa Rica
From: ranchos@sol.racsa.co.cr
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 08:33:26 -0500
The obvious reason this happened is that they thought they could do this
forever because of their economic impact in the area.
Like most businesses, unfortunately, you have to force them to devise ways
to use their waste. The recovery on the investment takes a long time, and
they want to avoid the capital expenditure. Had it been designed originally
to deal with the waste and the cost built in to the infrastructure
development, the impact would have been minimal.
Jose
At 10:39 PM 10/03/1999 -0600, you wrote:
>> ..snip..
>
>> tion of the Ca=F1as river. Due to their public criticism of
>> > AquaCorporaci=F3n's poor environmental practices, these activists have=
been
>> > subjected to harassment and anonymous threats. With the recent closure=
of
>> > AquaCorporacion, they are increasingly fearful for their safety.
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>This shows what a lack of partnership can do. This industry, partnered with=
a
>diversified ag base could be kicking major butt with those kind of raw
materials.
>Instead we have unknowns confronting environmentalists confronting a
corporation
>confronted by a court. Where's the agriculture in that?
>
>Marc
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Thought for the day:
Politicians and diapers have one thing in common. They should
both be changed regularly and for the same reason.
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Subject: Re: Grant for school system
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 10:00:32 -0500
At 01:08 PM 09/30/1999 EST, Mike wrote:
>Hi All,
>Just a quick project for you. We are building a 30'X40' greenhouse here at
our school within the next few months (using student raised funds). We are
also pretty much assured that we are going to receive a grant of $2000 to
equip it. WHAT DO YOU FEEL IS ESSENTIAL TO EQUIP IT WITH (besides
benches)?????????????
>
>Keep in mind that this will be a greenhouse/classroom and will be used for
>aquaculture, hydroponics, and traditional horticulture. Mostly research
type projects will be done a.......
Mike - do you plan to experiment with/demonstrate all three systems within
the one greenhouse? Could you give a quick summary of your other facilities
and their operations? I'd think a side-by-side comparison of the three
forms of growing would be invaluable, especially with sufficient "staff" to
keep up with the stats.
Let us know what your primary plans are, and the expected space required for
each, and maybe we can make some suggestions more in line with your actual
goals. I'd think massive amounts of equipment would be the last items to
buy, especially if you have equipment that could be retrofitted to the new
facility. If not, then perhaps minimum equipment required to evaluate the
three systems could be bought/rigged up for the $2000 you mention.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: Re: Grant for school system
From: MUDDTOO
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:35:53 EDT
In a message dated 10/4/99 8:02:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
snsaquasys@townsqr.com writes:
> At 01:08 PM 09/30/1999 EST, Mike wrote:
> >Hi All,
> >Just a quick project for you. We are building a 30'X40' greenhouse here
at
> our school within the next few months (using student raised funds). We are
> also pretty much assured that we are going to receive a grant of $2000 to
> equip it. WHAT DO YOU FEEL IS ESSENTIAL TO EQUIP IT WITH (besides
> benches)?????????????
> >
> >Keep in mind that this will be a greenhouse/classroom and will be used
for
> >aquaculture, hydroponics, and traditional horticulture. Mostly research
> type projects will be done a.......
>
> Mike - do you plan to experiment with/demonstrate all three systems within
> the one greenhouse? Could you give a quick summary of your other
facilities
> and their operations? I'd think a side-by-side comparison of the three
> forms of growing would be invaluable, especially with sufficient "staff" to
> keep up with the stats.
>
Hello,
I think an interesting addition would be an internet presence where you could
share your work with other schools and groups. Computer cameras have gotten
so cheap and I'm sure you could find a local service to donate the internet
connection and setup service for free banner space. The kids probaly want to
see other schools at work and to be seen by others. Simple pictures taken
and displayed daily would go a long way toward opening your school up for
more many grants too.
Joel
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Subject: Re: Grant for school system
From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 13:06:56 -0400
> > >Just a quick project for you. We are building a 30'X40' greenhouse here
> at
> > our school within the next few months (using student raised funds). We are
> > also pretty much assured that we are going to receive a grant of $2000 to
> > equip it. WHAT DO YOU FEEL IS ESSENTIAL TO EQUIP IT WITH
I think for teaching purposes it would be good to have several
independent systems with small aquarium pumps to use for experiments
such as to compare growth between aquaponic vs. hydroponic vs. organic
nutrients. You could test new-fangled equipment this way using one bed
as a control and another to try things out like adding silicon, liquid
CO2 formulas, Quantumponics, etc. Then you could report the results
back to us and we would be so grateful that when we make our aquaponic
millions we'll give your school a grant:>)...
Adriana
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Subject: Re: Grant for school system
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Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:13:46 + 5 EST
Thanks Adriana,
Out of my own ignorance, what is quantumponics????
Mike
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Subject: Re: Grant for school system
From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 13:31:55 -0400
Hi Mike,
Quantumponics is a magnetic plant growth stimulator which is touted to
increase yield and product stronger, heathier, less insect prone
plants. One of our list members is trying a unit out with two tomato
plants and has seen significant differences between the quantum plants
and the control. The plants have yet to produce fruit, which for
tomatoes is the ultimate test. For more information see:
http://quantumponics.iinet.net.au/index.html
Oh, one other piece of equipment you need is a good sprayer.
Adriana
MCOMET@south-lewis.moric.org wrote:
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> Thanks Adriana,
>
> Out of my own ignorance, what is quantumponics????
> Mike
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Subject: Important new advances
From: "Jewel Lopez"
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:20:36 -0600
Hi Everyone,
I have recently come upon some MAJOR new advances for hydroponics that =
most of the group will probably be quite interested in. The most =
outstanding is an electronic device that allows your plants to uptake =
more water and nutrient, potentially doubling yield. I've put up info =
(and pics) on a friends website (I'm sorry I don't have a picture =
shrinking program, so the pics take a while to load). It covers those, =
and a couple of other links for things I've come across that you may =
find helpful (like super cheap greenhouses). If you're interested, go to =
www.stress-management.net/aquaponics/aquaponics.htm.
(if anyone wants to contact me, I'm changing my email address back to =
1mastiff@amigo.net.)
Jewel
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Subject: Re: Grant for school system
From: mmiller@pcsia.com
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 16:51:42 -0500
At 12:03 04-10-99 -0600, you wrote:
>snip... You could test new-fangled equipment this way using one bed
>as a control and another to try things out like adding silicon, liquid
>CO2 formulas, Quantumponics, etc.
At 12:29 04-10-99 -0600, you wrote:
>Quantumponics is a magnetic plant growth stimulator which is touted to
>increase yield and product stronger, heathier, less insect prone
>plants. snip
For more information see:
>http://quantumponics.iinet.net.au/index.html
If you have limited resources for your system, you may want to screen the
methods to be tested and determine the basis for the claims. As an
example, your could have the students analyze the claims seen below from
the Quantumponics web site. They could research what "magnetic
concentrations" are and how a "burst of a Quantum field" might help their
plants grow. They could search quantum physics sites on the internet and
hypothesize which "mysterious sub-particle field" is generated by the
QuantumPONICS units.
Other equipment could be considered like The Advanced Bio-Photon Integrator
at http://www.nhtrust.com
or they could read the Radionics Manual and learn how to use Scanners and
Cosmic Pipes including the new Left-Handed Scanners to "detox
animals/soils, build fertilizer for you soil & seed, treat
insects/fields.weeds".
Or you could use these sites to teach a class in critical thinking. Mike
Miller
"In our solar system, the sun creates Quantum fields. At any given time
there are 50,000 magnetic concentrations in the sun and every time they
collide there is a burst of a Quantum field. The temperatures are
tremendous, from 11,000 degrees up to 3 million.
The same principle exists in our QuantumPONICS units for hydroponics. After
ten years of hydroponic research (as well as other research), we can now
guarantee that it works. Now you can give your hydroponic plants extra
"life force" like they would get from the sun. This mysterious sub-particle
field generated by our QuantumPONICS units can be added to any hydroponics
system."
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Subject: Re: Important new advances
From: "Barry Thomas"
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:47:48 +0100
Hi Jewel,
Looked at the info you've put on the website. As I said when you first
mentioned it, this sounds like a great project and I hope it works out.
I can't comment on the nutrient conditioning device you recommend as I
haven't used it.
However, bearing in mind the stated aims of your project, I'm a little
puzzled as to why you're considering using the "smart valve" systems you
show. At nearly 10USD per square foot (including feed lines, connectors
etc) this seems a fairly pricey way of going about things. For this kind
of money I would expect quite a lot more from a system than merely
keeping the roots damp (or have I missed something?). In a reasonably
large greenhouse, is the benefit of being able to match uptake
accurately over such small areas really worthwhile if you can't track
any of the other parameters as accurately over these areas? It also
seems somewhat limiting in terms of being able to use the nutrient for
thermal protection etc. and that you will need a number of additional
systems to deal with this and other things such as EC/PH, atmospheric
control, water management... each working with little regard for what
the others are doing.
IMHO, if you have this amount of money to spend, you could be far better
off investing in computer control at the start. I don't see anything in
the system you describe that couldn't be done at least as well this way
and for less cost. Once you have your controller, installing additional
subsystems to manage other aspects of your entire setup shouldn't be too
difficult. The most important thing, as I see it, is that you can make
these systems work together, giving you something far better than the
sum of the benefits gained from several devices operating independently.
I don't intend to be critical of the equipment you mention - I'm sure
it's very good - I just wonder if it's really the best for what you are
trying to do. I intend no real critisism of your plan either - you are,
after all, the man on the spot and know a lot more about the subject tha
n myself anyway. Just a few thoughts.
Barry
barrythomas@crosswinds.net
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Subject: Re: Important new advances
From: "Barry Thomas"
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:44:58 +0100
Forgot to ask - where does your filtration, nitrate removal etc for the
fishwater occur? If you're only using the runoff from the fish tank as a
nutrient source for your plants, aren't you missing out on one of the
main benefits offered by aquaponics - the bioremediation offered by the
plants?
Sorry if I've misunderstood your plans.
Barry
barrythomas@crosswinds.net
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Subject: Re: processing
From: "vpage"
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:30:03 -0600
John,
Thanks for your note. We are saving Jim as a speaker for an international
conf in 2001-also during Stampede.
I wil lforward material to you re Workshop. We are almost ready to publish.
Victoria Page
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