Aquaponics Digest - Sat 10/09/99
Message 1: Re: Visits
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 2: Chiampa systems
from Carolyn Hoagland
Message 3: Re: Chinampa systems
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 4: Re: Chinampa systems
from William Evans
Message 5: ECHO
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 6: Re: Chinampa systems
from "TGTX"
Message 7: CORRECTION - ECHO web site
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 8: RE: Fwd. Re: Aquaponics in Indonesia
from "Chris Mills"
Message 9: Re: organic certification Hawaii aquaponics and permaculture
from "Jewel" <1mastiff@amigo.net>
Message 10: Re: organic certification Hawaii aquaponics and permaculture
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 11: Re: Chiampa systems
from S & S Aqua Farm
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Subject: Re: Visits
From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 06:09:20 -0400
Emmett,
Be careful. For those of you thinking of getting into aquaponics you
can see that you will eventually become a full-fledged plumber and
carpenter and the, er ... brave ones become apprentice electricians. I
went to the irrigation supply place to buy PVC pieces and parts for a
small expansion and the guy at the counter says "are you sure you know
what to do with these things?" (the little lady routine, I guess). I
opened my folder and showed him a picture of the inside of the
greenhouse at full production and he went nuts. I could see another
potential convert.
> electrician was expected to show up today at 9:30 but no-showed. It looks
> like I'll be doing the wiring under his direction and he'll do the final
Where do you plan to get your fish?
> As soon as the
> electricity is in we can put the plastic on. It shouldn't be too much longer.
Adriana
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Subject: Chiampa systems
From: Carolyn Hoagland
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 09:24:25 -0500
Hello,
I was just reading Bill Mollison's permaculture designers manual and came
across a
diagram of a chiampa system. (a chiampa is a series of interconnected
canals and
raised bed gardens) A quick search of the web didn't turn up much. Bill's
book is
good, but somewhat lacking in details. We are going to be digging a small
pond and
are considering the chiampa system as an alternative. Anyone have any info
I should
consider before digging?
Thanks.
Carolyn
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Subject: Re: Chinampa systems
From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 11:58:46 -0400
Hi Carolyn,
I believe the term is Chinampa. You might see if you can find something
related over at www.ECHO.org. A quick search of their web site for the
word "chinampa" came up with the table of contents for Mollison's book.
However if you search under related topics such as terracing, irrigation
you may find something. Their incredible reference book "From Amaranth
to Zai Holes" is accessible on-line. In addition they issue regular
newsletters and technical notes on a variety of low-tech sustainable
agriculture topics.
Adriana
> I was just reading Bill Mollison's permaculture designers manual and came
across a
> diagram of a chiampa system.
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Subject: Re: Chinampa systems
From: William Evans
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 09:34:59 -0700
" Their incredible reference book "From Amaranth
> to Zai Holes" is accessible on-line."
I visited the site((www.echo.org)) but was not able to find the link
to the reference cited.. It seems like quite a large site w/ much info.
Could you please cite the URL where this refeerence can be found
specifically.? Or possibly a link to where this book can be purchased.?
Thankyou.........
billevans
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Subject: ECHO
From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 12:56:24 -0400
Hi William,
I forgot to mention that their site is difficult to navigate. You have
to scroll down the home page and read the topics on the left and the
detail on the right. Still it's easy to miss things. Here are the most
important URLs:
A-z online version - http://www.echonet.org/azillus/index.htm
A to Z book order info - http://www.echonet.org/a-z.htm
Online bookstore -
http://www.echonet.org/shopsite_sc/store/html/index.html
Technical Notes - http://www.echonet.org/technote.htm
Seed Information - http://www.echonet.org/seeds.htm
Plant variety information sheets - http://www.echonet.org/plant.htm
Note they have separate seed lists for US home gardens and for
agricultural workers. The second is much more extensive. If you talk
to them on the phone they will let you have seeds from either list if
you convince them that you are a legitimate farmer or interested in
sustainable agriculture.
It used to be that you had to search the Technical Notes separately from
A to Z, now I think the search function will consolidate the two. You
can order the book directly from ECHO along with other publications and
some very interesting seeds.
Adriana
William Evans wrote:
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> " Their incredible reference book "From Amaranth
> > to Zai Holes" is accessible on-line."
> I visited the site((www.echo.org)) but was not able to find the link
> to the reference cited.. It seems like quite a large site w/ much info.
> Could you please cite the URL where this refeerence can be found
> specifically.? Or possibly a link to where this book can be purchased.?
> Thankyou.........
> billevans
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Subject: Re: Chinampa systems
From: "TGTX"
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 11:56:59 -0500
> " Their incredible reference book "From Amaranth
> > to Zai Holes" is accessible on-line."
> I visited the site((www.echo.org)) but was not able to find the link
> to the reference cited.. It seems like quite a large site w/ much info.
> Could you please cite the URL where this refeerence can be found
> specifically.? Or possibly a link to where this book can be purchased.?
> Thankyou.........
> billevans
Yeah, Adriana,
I too entered into quite a different site than the one I expected. The
contents of the site I visited gave me the impression that it was designed
by some group advocating global collectivism and I guess the dissolution of
national sovereignty. Yet another sign of the times, I suppose. I often
wonder if people are capable of learning anything from world history.
Anyway, no gardening or tropical agriculture discussions on that site, that
I could see.
Ciao,
Ted
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Subject: CORRECTION - ECHO web site
From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 13:06:45 -0400
OOps!! My apologies to all, the web site for ECHO is
http://www.echonet.org/
> I too entered into quite a different site than the one I expected.
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Subject: RE: Fwd. Re: Aquaponics in Indonesia
From: "Chris Mills"
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:34:08 -0500
I don't mean to bother but I was wondering what model Polytank you use.
Tony @ Polytank is a good friend we do good business together. I am trying
to organize a small Aquaponics system in my research greenhouse. Any
information would be appreciated.
Thank you,
Chris Mills
Aquaculture Systems Technologies, LLC
P.O. Box 15827
New Orleans, LA 70175
phone: (504) 837--5575/(800) 939-3659
fax: (504) 837-5585
e-mail: cmills@BeadFilters.com
home page: www.BeadFilters.com
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From: aquaponics
[mailto:aquaponics]On Behalf Of S & S Aqua Farm
Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 3:37 PM
To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
Cc: Coree White
Subject: Fwd. Re: aquaponics in Indonesia
Here's some more questions for our friend in Indonesia. I've posted my
responses, but would be happy to forward any other comments (or we could
just copy her on the replies if not too extensive - she's borrowing computer
time).
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>Here's some questions: what are tanks made of??? what are the options?
We use tanks (and grow beds) from Polytank, which are a heavy-duty
polyethylene. If you have access to a manufacturer, this would be my
personal choice, but I know there are alternatives. We also use black tanks
to maximum solar gain through the winter, but you might not find it
necessary in your location.
Others use fiberglass, coated concrete, plastic-lined wooden construction
(or use pond liners), and I'll let the group explain other options.
>who's tried growing lettuce or salad crops? how does it go?
Lettuce and salad crops do well in aquaponics systems. Specific varieties
will perform better in one climate/environment over another. What are some
of the specific conditions where your proposed system(s) will operate?
>AND - where can i visit when i return to the states this november? i'll be
>coming home to gather funding and information and get ready for a longer
>haul in the tropics. Any working systems i can see will be helpful. My
>home range includes Tennessee and Florida, though i can probably travel a
>little.
I'll make a couple of contacts, but perhaps someone in the group will
volunteer their site for your visit.
>Also, if you know of any organizations that like to fund projects like
>this - there's so much good work to do, and I really think there's an
>opportunity to get a foot in the door for sustainability here, before too
>much industry moves in.
>terimah kasih banyak - thanks so much for your help.
>
>sincerely,
>
>coree white
>c/o YPK
>Kotak Pos 125
>Abepura 99351
>Irian Jaya INDONESIA
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Thanks to the group for any help.
Paula Speraneo
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: Re: organic certification Hawaii aquaponics and permaculture
From: "Jewel" <1mastiff@amigo.net>
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 13:14:16 -0600
Hi,
You mentioned counting how many seeds I put in. I imagine that not only the
number, but where you place them and how you group them will make a
difference. I'm now using trays that are about 6" wide by 2' long. Should I
do something like planting 3 seeds every 4 inches, or what?
Please let me know asap, as everything is ready to go.
Jewel
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Subject: Re: organic certification Hawaii aquaponics and permaculture
From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 15:27:10 -0400
Go ahead and plant 1 seed every 3-4 inches so the roots aren't competing
with each other. (If it was true drip hydro you could really scrunch
them together and it would be no problem.) They will also photograph
better if they are spaced a little bit apart.
I went back and rechecked my Miracle Grow/Epsom salt file and here is
what it said: "If you've used Miracle Gro then you're almost there.
I've been having great
results using 1 scoop (tablespoon) of Miracle Gro 15-30-15 and one of
epson
salt in 5 gallons of water for lettuce and cauliflower. For tomatoes
and
peppers (and this potatoes too) I use two scoops of each. The nutrient
needs to changed every week spring thru summer and every two weeks the
rest of the
year."
So change the formula to 5 gallons.
AG
Jewel wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> You mentioned counting how many seeds I put in. I imagine that not only the
> number, but where you place them and how you group them will make a
> difference. I'm now using trays that are about 6" wide by 2' long. Should I
> do something like planting 3 seeds every 4 inches, or what?
>
> Please let me know asap, as everything is ready to go.
>
> Jewel
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Subject: Re: Chiampa systems
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 16:19:25 -0500
At 09:24 AM 10/09/1999 -0500, Carolyn wrote:
>Hello,
>I was just reading Bill Mollison's permaculture designers manual and came
across a
>diagram of a chiampa system. (a chiampa is a series of interconnected
canals and
>raised bed gardens) A quick search of the web didn't turn up much. Bill's
book is
>good, but somewhat lacking in details. We are going to be digging a small
pond and
>are considering the chiampa system as an alternative. Anyone have any info
I should
>consider before digging?
This is a subject I've seen discussed on the Permaculture mail group
(perhaps not much in 1999, but in the 1998 archives there should be some
information.
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