Aquaponics Digest - Sat 10/16/99
Message 1: Re: duckweed
from Dave Miller
Message 2: Re: Wild Koi
from Dave Miller
Message 3: Re: Purslane anyone?
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 4: Re: Purslane anyone?
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 5: Crucian Kallaloo
from "Charlie Shultz"
Message 6: Re: Crucian Kallaloo
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 7: Re: Field trip activities
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 8: Re: grow beds/biofilters
from "JAY MYERS"
Message 9: Re: Crucian Kallaloo/Antiguan Pepperpot
from Jennifer Maynard
Message 10: Slow leak, is spray ok?
from Bagelhole1
Message 11: Re: Important new advances
from Marc & Marcy
Message 12: Re: Crucian Kallaloo/Antiguan Pepperpot
from Dave Miller
Message 13: Poison ivy
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 14: Jewelweed
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 15: POTENT Herbalist
from dreadlox@cwjamaica.com (michael kent barnett)
Message 16: RE: Jewelweed
from "Ronald W. Brooks"
Message 17: Re: grow beds/biofilters
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 18: Re: POTENT Herbalist
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 19: Re: POTENT Herbalist
from dreadlox@cwjamaica.com (michael kent barnett)
Message 20: Re: Crucian Kallaloo/Antiguan Pepperpot
from Jennifer Maynard
Message 21: Re: Crucian Kallaloo/Antiguan Pepperpot
from dreadlox@cwjamaica.com (michael kent barnett)
Message 22: Loo Relief....try grapefruit seed extract...Re: Crucian
Kallaloo/Antiguan Pepperpot
from William Evans
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Subject: Re: duckweed
From: Dave Miller
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 01:23:49 -0400
I remember reading a much earlier post where fish emulsion went to
hydroponics, hydroponics went to a duckweed pond then back to the fish.
And yes, the duckweed was to feed the fish but also use the excess
nutrients from the hydroponics system if I remember correctly.
Ted, Jim, Adriana, Gordon can you remind us here?
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Leave room in the garden for the angels to dance!
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Subject: Re: Wild Koi
From: Dave Miller
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 01:27:21 -0400
Jim, all,
I remember my dad giving up his swordtails, guppies, etc when his tank
cracked. He dumped them in the creek hoping thet might live. We found
all sorts of weird looking fish later on for several years.
Never could prove it but who knows?
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Leave room in the garden for the angels to dance!
A community supporter, are you?
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Subject: Re: Purslane anyone?
From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 07:05:38 -0400
Hi Bev,
It's funny, I wouldn't associate "zip" with Purslane. Mine is quite
mild. I need to try some of the wild ones from my garden to see if it
is more acidic.
> Whenever I make anything with tomato sauce(spaghetti sauce and other
> Italian style dishes), I go out and pick some purslane out of the
> garden, dice it up and add it. It gives a nice zip to a tomato base.
Adriana
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Subject: Re: Purslane anyone?
From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 07:18:10 -0400
Mike,
That was a wonderful story. You know, some of the magic from that "old
woman" rubbed off on you. At first I thought, "isn't it a shame that
they are dying off?" On second thought, WE are the carriers of some
that magic and if we treat it with respect and pass it on to the next
generations of mIkeys and Adrianitas. It would have been wonderful to
make a documentary with her and her secret garden.
> Youve got me stunted!! Yesterday I went to my Moms and was telling her
> she wasnt so much off her rockers eating "that stuff" ...(purslane)She
> told me she had learnt about it from an old woman who we used to trade
> off with on vegetables with dry goods.
> I remember as a little boy looking up at this wrinkled woman who was
> very poor and learning and important lesson...
It looks like purslane is very good for you...
> Her age ? Going on 100!!
I also checked out the web site you gave me. It made me think it is
worth looking into the market for dried purslane. Unfortunately, I see
that Coosman's Produce is bringing it in from Mexico where labor is
cheap, cheap cheap. They may not get the yields, however, and
pesticides are an issue.
Adriana
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Subject: Crucian Kallaloo
From: "Charlie Shultz"
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 04:51:23 PDT
2 qts water
3 lb salted beef, pork, ham, etc...
1 lb fish, cooked and picked
3 conchs, cleaned and pounded
crabs (optional)
12 okra
1 eggplant
hotsauce to taste
approximately 2/3 cup of the following greens:
Papalolo, White Mary, Purslane, Bata-Bata, Bower, Tannia Leaves
(substitute local greens if needed)
Soak meats overnight in cold water to remove excess fat. Cook meat and
conchs in 2 qts of water until soft. Scald tannia leaves, pour off water,
and chop or grind as finely as possible. When meat is half cooked, add fish
and crab and continue cooking until meat is tender.
Peel eggplant. Add to pot with meat mixture. When soft, remove and chop
fine. Return to pot. Wash greens, and chop fine. Cut up okras.
Add greens and okra to meats and eggplant mixture. Cook until greens become
a dark green color. Continue to cook about 5 minutes longer. Add salt and
pepper to taste. If kallaloo is too thick, and 1-2 cups water. Serve with
fungi (local fried okra patty).
Makes ~12 1 cup servings.
Enjoy and good luck diving for conch,
Charlie
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Subject: Re: Crucian Kallaloo
From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 08:10:38 -0400
You tease, Charlie! Just where do you think we're going to get
"Papalolo, White Mary, Purslane, Bata-Bata, Bower, Tannia Leaves"? Just
tell us when dinner will be served and we'll be right over. At least
tell us you can get us seeds for these ingredients.
In Colombia we have a mystical herb called "Guasca" . No
self-respecting Ajiaco, a spectacular chicken potato cream soup with
avocado, would be caught dead without it. The myth is that guascas are
only gathered in the wild and cannot be cultivated. I did some
web-plowing on the subject a few weeks ago and found out that it is
Galinsoga parviflora (GASPA) an annual weed of vegetables which is a
serious problem for the vegetable industry. It is also called gallant
soldier and quickweed. The latter because the seed starts to germinate
on the way to the ground so that several generations are possible each
growing season. Another species, G. ciliata(GASCI), is called hairy
galinsoga.
I'm still looking for seeds for it so if anybody has a quickweed problem
on their farm, send me some seeds.
Adriana
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Subject: Re: Field trip activities
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 09:55:28 -0500
At 06:00 PM 10/14/1999 -0400, Adriana wrote:
>Paula,
>
>The herb bed sounds like a great idea, especially with the matching
>activity. I've chaperoned field trips where the teacher had abolutely
>no idea what they are doing and it is not good for anyone.
> I 'd love a copy of your written material if possible; can you e-mail
>it or do you want an address or fax #?
>> a large group also. I've a few suggestions written up if you'd like them.
Adriana - here's a short version of the list. I'm sure you can expand and
customize it to fit your circumstances. One thing I've found is that people
really enjoy being able to touch and taste in the greenhouse (especially
when they find that they don't HAVE to wash anything because there's nothing
harmful to wash off).
Because it was a young group, I geared for them. I found later that older
kids and adults are also interested, because most people have no idea where
the "taste" in their foods comes from.
In large print, on a half sheet, I set up a matching list with
flavors/cooked dishes on one side and herb/plant names on the other, all in
random order, not pre-matched in sequence. All the plants were located in
one general area to hold the group in place.
Here's a general idea, and you can customize it to fit the herbs/plants you
have growing.
Rosemary (not a taster, just pinch and sniff) - pine trees
Oregano - pizza/spaghetti
Peppermint - peppermint candy
Garden mint - spearmint gum
Tarragon - licorice
Lemon Balm - lemons
Chives - onions
Garlic chives - garlic pasta
Just get creative, and make it as much fun as possible. Have a great time.
>I will talk
>to the teacher beforehand, she's my daughter's fourth-grade teacher.
>They are already in the process of making floating growing units and
>studying ecology and water-related subjects.
I'm sure when you get fish added into your system the synergy of one system
supporting the other will be a big hit, as well as the water re-use angle.
Good luck with your "tour".
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: Re: grow beds/biofilters
From: "JAY MYERS"
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 07:18:34 -0600
You will have a nutrient "dead" period until the
nutrients build up in the water and I don't think one can be sure that the
commercial nutrient plant mixes would be safe for the fish since there
would
probably be a bit of residue in the hydro system at change over unless you
plan to tear down the hydro portion and clean it first.
I have read on this list some months ago that using some standard
hydroponic fertilizers in the fish water worked OK, and even enhanced the
taste of the fish. Could someone who has experience with that comment
please ?
We are ready to put 1500 fingerling into our tank, which is 5,000 gal. and
I fear the nutriant level will too weak to support plants for some time.
I'd like to get some plants in the grow beds sooner (impatient American
that I am) than the fish waste may be able to support them, so.......
Thanks
Jay
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Subject: Re: Crucian Kallaloo/Antiguan Pepperpot
From: Jennifer Maynard
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 12:09:29 -0300
Charlie and Adrianna, To get Antigua Pepper Pot you do the following to
Charlie's recipe. It is moer like a sancocho
1 Take out the fish and conch, replace it with more salted meats.
2 Put in some spinach (amaranthus) and some pigeon peas while you are cooking
it, triple the amount of greens.
3 And after it is cooked add peices of boiled "groung provision" ( sweet
potatoe, dasheen, eddoe, tania, cassava, [idaho potatoe, turnip, parsnip if
desired by a North American palate. or as a substitute] ) as available.
4 While it is simmering put in droppers or cut spoon dumplings. These are
hard dumplings without baking powder, just flour and water mixed to a tight
dough and cut with a spoon and dropped into the simmering stew.
5 Include the chive, and thyme and garlic and other green seasonings.
6 If you have Cassie, (Jamaicans call it Tuna) that is finely chopped
Opuntia cactus from which the fine hairy spines have been removed, you can
replace the okroes with that if they are not availible.
7 Put in a piece of thick, bright orange dry West Indian pumpkin in it, not
halloween pumpkin, it is too moist.
8 .
Now you have you have Antigua Pepperpot. No chili pepper, no piquante, only
green pepper as seasoning, or Caribbean seasoning peppers. The dish in not a
piquante, the term pepper pot refers to the little bit of every thing in the
stew.
Variation: Fungi and Pepperpot
9 You can leave out the groungprovisions and droppers or reduce them to just
a few and serve it with fungi (pronuonced foooun-gee) which is a tight porridge
of yellow corn meal. Cornmeal is mixed in cold water to a very thick paste and
stirred into a little bit of boiling salted water, while turing with a large
wooden stick. More water is added little by little while constantly stirring
untio the porradge pulls away from the sides of pot. The individula portion
size is then spooned into a heavyly greased bowl and shaken into a ball shape,
put on the individual serving bowl and the portion of pepperpot which would be
the equivalent size of a combined meat and vegetable portion for one person is
spooned on to the ball of fungi. It is one of our National dishes.
> Water as required to make a thick,tight soup the consistance of strawberry
> jam.
> 3 lb salted beef, pork, ham, etc...
> 1lb cassie if available or 1 lb okra ( this is critical for the thick,
> glueyness that is typical of the dish)
> 1/2 lb of Pumpkin , Chive, Garlic, onion, Green onions, green
> pepper, Caribbean seasoning pepper, Thyme
> 1 1lb Pigeon peas
> cooked
> 3 cups chopped spinach
> 1 lb eggplant and 1lb green papaya(peeled)
> approximately 3 cups of the each of the following greens:
> Papalolo, White Mary, Purslane, Bata-Bata, Bower, Tannia Leaves
> (substitute local greens if needed, ie kale, collards, spinach, purslane,
> lambsqaurter, minitina, etc). The old time Antigua Pepperpot had the buds or
> the first 4 inches of young shoots of pumpkin vine, okroe shoots and sweet
> potatoe vine and well as as the pappa lolo, cassie, monkey lettuce, widdywiddy
> and pusley (purslane) as the greens.
Ground Provisions cooked
Flour
Water
> Directions: Soak meats overnight in cold water to remove excess salt. Cut i
> bite sized pieces Cook meat and keep the water as allthe other things will be
> added to some of that wter fo falvour. Scald tannia leaves, pour off water,
> and chop or grind as finely as possible. When meat is half cooked, peel
> eggplant and papaya chop up and into pot with meat mixture. Wash greens, and
> chop fine. Cut up okras.Add greens, pumpkin and okra to meats and eggplant
> mixture. Cook until greens become a dark green color. Then make sure the you
> mash the greens and pumpkin to a nice smooth and uniform consistancy. it is
> not a soup so it should be the consistancy of strawberry jam being poured out
> of a jar. Add Droppers, peas and ground provisions and finish Continue to cook
> about 5 minutes longer. Add no salt and pepper.
> This is a good once per week Antigua meal in some homes. As you see the
> greens are its main ingredient. Some where in between the variations,
> Adrianna you should be able to try it, you may enjoy it. Tell me if you ever
> try it.
Adrianna, you should be able to get planting material for the underlined. I am
sure we dont know what is the botanical name of monkey lettuce and papalolo. I
need to try and find out they are.
All the best,
Jennifer
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Subject: Slow leak, is spray ok?
From: Bagelhole1
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 12:11:15 EDT
Dear List mates,
Now, there is a slow leak thru the 2 layers of plastic. Does anyone know if
its ok to spray the stuff, or is that too toxic a thing. I am sinking, but
I'm not going to drown. I have located a source of dead clams, Fish and Game
said to look in Central valley in Ca. for fresh water clams, a source for
water hyacinth in Berkeley.
Troubled,
Tom O
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Subject: Re: Important new advances
From: Marc & Marcy
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 10:46:59 -0600
> > I went through a fun experimentation phase where I established a
> > "natural self supporting" 32 inch deep 800 gallon pond of
>
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>
> > Little winter die off. Extremely attractive pond, lots of
> > complements. Lots of work. Commercial interest infected/infested
> > me. On to Aquaponics now.
>
> Marc - Great description of your experiments, many thanks.
>
> Why (in the final pond) do you think the later hatches stayed small -
> fish density topped-out for this amount of filtration/aeration or other
> reasons such as seasonal temps etc?
The several reasons began with procrastination. Vegetation
yields/baby growth were
dropping/stagnating and water was getting greenish color. I
belatedly got rid of a bunch of fish and the problem
reversed but I waited too long. It was about late August
before the pond recovered when cooler evenings hit. Fish
activity and plant growth began the slow down with yellowing
by Septembers end.
>
> Any chance of more info of your current (aquaponic) system?
I currently am running in an 8 foot galvanized stock tank
with an undergravel filter, a 120 gph submersible pump with
aeration tube and electric heat. I have numerous reeds
located around the tank and various live oxygenators. We are
feeding a minimum ration as our goal is maintenance, not
growth. We are building a 30 by 95 foor S&S style facility.
>How does it compare to the simpler pond system?
It has no bubbly green algae on top, the water is clear,
easy to visually inspect fish, little crud on the bottom,
lower nitrate levels. Goldfish have brighter colors, there
are more of them and they are bigger/healthier. Plants are
less coated with slime and algae and have higher yields
since the fish eat fish food rather than the plants. To
customers it would have greater appeal.
>Is it worth the extra complexity?
Yes. I'll be in my shirt sleeves and shorts in the middle of
January here. I'll have grow beds with fresh veggies and
green things. My neighbors, friends and family will love to
visit. Since water is a precious resource in Colorado it
will be environmentally friendly.
> Do you - or could you - run your system using only alternative/local
> energy sources?
No I don't. Yes I could.
One of our sort term goals is to use photovoltaic cells with
deep cycle storage batteries to power the flood pumps on the
non aquatic plants. We are constructing the greenhouse to
utilize solar water heating, heat and water distillation.
Marc S. Nameth
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Subject: Re: Crucian Kallaloo/Antiguan Pepperpot
From: Dave Miller
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 14:48:05 -0400
You guys have me QUITE hungry! Is there a way to make these recipes with
all the greens but no mammals or crustaceans? I do have hickory smoke.
As to the rare greens, will they grow up north in zone 6? Count me in
for a request for seeds if allowed to cross lines.
Equally important, where can I get seeds for jewelweed (portulaca ssp?)
as a natural antidote for poison ivy. Other plant suggestions are
welcomed.
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Leave room in the garden for the angels to dance!
A community supporter, are you?
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Subject: Poison ivy
From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 16:42:34 -0400
Dave,
> Equally important, where can I get seeds for jewelweed (portulaca ssp?)
> as a natural antidote for poison ivy. Other plant suggestions are
> welcomed.
One source I checked (http://ncnatural.com/wildflwr/obnxious.html) says
that Jewelweed is part of the Impatiens family rather than a portulaca.
Here is their information:
"In the southern Appalachians and in much of the eastern U.S., there is
a plant remedy that works very well. Jewel Weed comes in two varieties,
with a yellow flower (Impatiens pallida) or with an orange flower
(Impatiens capensis). The great thing about Jewel Weed is that it often
grows rightnext to Poison Ivy and is fairly common along roadsides. This
plant is a well-known folk remedy for P.I. and has no reported
side-effects. The juice of the Jewel Weed can be extracted from the
stems or leaves, preferably before flowering, but it seems to work at
any time. If you are out in the woods and realize that you have exposed
yourself to Poison Ivy, and are able to find Jewel Weed, you are in
luck. Crush the stems of Jewel Weed to extract the juice and apply it to
the area
affected by The P.I. or, apply a poultice of the crushed leaves to the
area. The juice is somewhat sticky and will stay where you put it pretty
well. Some folks have said that tea made from Jewel Weed works as a
preventative. To keep a reserve supply on hand, the best idea seems to
be to save the juice as ice cubes to rub on the infected area. Shred
leaves and roots and place in boiling water for 15 minutes to half an
hour, then freeze the liquid in ice cube trays. Jewel Weed relieves the
itching, stops the spread and helps to heal the Poison Ivy rash. We have
found Jewel Weed to be the best remedy of all, even better than
prescription products."
I've been having repeated poison-ivy type reactions to one of my
greenhouse plants. I suspect it is Red Giant Mustard, but it could be a
couple of others as well. I would love an alternative to steriods and
antihistamines. Another natural suggestion I got by e-mail today is the
following:
"If you have clay subsoil, dig down till you come to the pure clay. If
you don't, buy a handful of clay from a potter. Make a paste the
consistency of soft butter. Spread it on the affected area. Cover it
with plastic to keep the clay wet. Keep wet overnight. If the remedy is
applied right after exposure, one application will remove all traces of
blisters. Otherwise the procedure should be repeated at 8 hour
intervals."
The author claims it has worked for hundreds of people over the past 40
years.
Adriana
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Subject: Jewelweed
From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 17:11:36 -0400
Hi Dave,
I've come across the following source for Jewel Weed, both Impatiens
capensis and Impatiens pallida. In addition to reports of it being a
good antidote for poison ivy, they are both edible plants.
Unfortunately the nursery has no web site, e-mail or even telephone.
They have an old-fashioned PO Box. It is:
Wildginger Woodlands
PO Box 1091
Webster, NY 14580
I may just e-mail my sister-in-law who lives one town over from Webster
to see if she can locate them. Let me know if you make any progress.
I'd like a spray bottle of "jewel weed tea" to spray on my hands after
I'm done at the greenhouse.
Adriana
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Subject: POTENT Herbalist
From: dreadlox@cwjamaica.com (michael kent barnett)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 23:46:10 -0700
Adriana... do you mind me asking what group, you got that reply on? (Im
assuming from a group... for some reason!!? If it was private
correspondence Pardonez moi!! Im beginning to appreciate more and more
the herbs..
By the way Adriana, my family has strong Afro Caribbean, but also
European roots... in both sides of thhe family, the use of natural
methods has remained very strong... so yes Ive been greenfluenced a
lot!!
I remember my old great grandmother spitting green juice of 3 herbs onto
stings cuts and wounds and never getting swollen at all, my mother is
from the "cleaner" medical profession, and so I have always been sort of
skeptic... I always thought there was a "cleaner and nicer" way...
I lived in Europe for a while, and found myself often sending home for
these herbs, cuz all the "first world stuff" just got me resistant or
took ages to cure. It was there I realised how much I took herbs for
granted, when I realised the healing times involved...
BTW, my great grandmother died one morning after her morning devotion,
calling everyone, and making her last comments and warnings. Before the
folks were down the driveway she had died peacefully at 102 years. What
made a lasting impact on me is the fact that she was a staunch believer
in the Creator of the herbs and plants she used... and she swore by
them.. but never elevated them, as so many almost plant worhipping and
commercial interests stimulate/stipulate (check NONI) she always said
while chewing or brewing some concoction, "they are the Crea-- ted,
greater is the Crea-- tor"...
She emphasised the knowledge of what is there for us to take!!
I remember the look of a European friend as he approached her, she had a
very proud firm look, was jet black and very wrinkled...(must have been
scary to my Central European friend) she had asked if he had fried his
brain to have burnt himself so in the sun.. (first day in the island
too!!!!) :)I tried to keep a straight face translating it diplomatically
.. ;)
She applied some aloe vera slime, and some other herbs, and he very next
day his fire red skin was showing signs of relief... whereas his
colleauges relying on first world perfumed tubes of stuff had to wait
days before hitting the sun again..
Why do I rant like this? Seems like I have a thing for grannies,...
sorry older women.... ;)
No, because we Aquaponikers are actually the first Mohicans in the field
of the unknown (to some extent..) territory, and our "opponents" are
folks like these who I hold still a lot of respect for, and who have
sometimes I think valid skepticism for certain things. I love the
improved yields but I can still hear her voice saying ...
"Mike....is not everyting come fast come good...."
(Not everyting that comes fast/quickly is necesarily good or from a good
source...)
On this note, has there ever been studies to show that herbs and spices
grown Aquaponcally are i any way less potent?
Mike.
Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta wrote:
>
Another natural suggestion I got by e-mail today is the
> following:
>
> "If you have clay subsoil, dig down till you come to the pure clay. If
> you don't, buy a handful of clay from a potter. Make a paste the
> consistency of soft butter.
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Subject: RE: Jewelweed
From: "Ronald W. Brooks"
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 17:12:13 -0400
to bad this did not come up several weeks ago when the jewel weed was in
full seed capsules. They have the tendency when brushed against to explode.
I will go out tomorrow and see if any seed is left to harvest
Ron
The One Who Walks Two Paths
ICQ 44271371
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Subject: Re: grow beds/biofilters
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 17:36:54 -0500
At 07:18 AM 10/16/1999 -0600, Jay wrote:
>I have read on this list some months ago that using some standard
>hydroponic fertilizers in the fish water worked OK, and even enhanced the
>taste of the fish. Could someone who has experience with that comment
>please ?
Jay, I've looked back through my files and can't find this comment. I'd
also be interested if anyone has experience with this, and certainly would
like to see some analysis of the end product. I understand that fish are
very efficient metabolizers, and much of what they're exposed to in the
water is retained in the flesh, then passed on to the consumer.
>We are ready to put 1500 fingerling into our tank, which is 5,000 gal. and
>I fear the nutriant level will too weak to support plants for some time.
>I'd like to get some plants in the grow beds sooner (impatient American
>that I am) than the fish waste may be able to support them, so.......
Can you reduce your water quantity and segregate (temporarily cut-off the
water to) some of the grow beds? It would probably be best to match your
grow bed space to the fish output initially, adding beds (and water) to the
system as their capacity increases.
If you're terribly impatient, adding fish emulsion to the system is one way
to get your nutrient level up, as well as serving to kick start your
bacterial growth.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: Re: POTENT Herbalist
From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 19:20:59 -0400
> Adriana... do you mind me asking what group, you got that reply on? (Im
> assuming from a group... for some reason!!?
Mike,
I found the clay-pack remedy for poison ivy through the Herbalist Forum
(http://www.gardenweb.com/forums/herbal/). Somebody called Traute Klein
offered to e-mail me the remedy. The e-mail referred me to the section
on holistic remedies at http://www.angelfire.com/ca/traute/ The site
has lots of information that might interest you.
> On this note, has there ever been studies to show that herbs and spices
> grown Aquaponcally are i any way less potent?
I have been told that hydroponic herbs have a much higher oil content
than soil grown ones. I don't know if this applies to aquaponics also.
Adriana
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Subject: Re: POTENT Herbalist
From: dreadlox@cwjamaica.com (michael kent barnett)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 01:23:13 -0700
Thanks Adriana, any references to the last??
> I have been told that hydroponic herbs have a much higher oil content
> than soil grown ones. I don't know if this applies to aquaponics also.
>
> Adriana
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Subject: Re: Crucian Kallaloo/Antiguan Pepperpot
From: Jennifer Maynard
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 20:54:17 -0300
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Dave, just leave the meat out of the Antigua pepperpot. I have prepared
veggiepepperpot and it is great. Notice I suggested kale, and collards,
cabbage, cress, etc. but you must have okras. And you can use blackeye
peas, broard beans or pinto beans instead of pigeon peas. Use acorn squash
or butternut in place of pumpkin. You can grow pumpkin, okra,and sweet
potato(yam the Americans call it) an trim their young shoots for the Antigua
pepperpot as well. Try it it is great.
As to the rare greens, will they grow up north in zone 6? Count me in
> Some do, check Johnnies Seed, Edible Ornamentals or Territoriail seed for
> some of them.
Happy eating, Jennifer
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Dave, just leave the meat out of the Antigua pepperpot. I have prepared
veggiepepperpot and it is great. Notice I suggested kale, and collards,
cabbage, cress, etc. but you must have okras. And you can use blackeye
peas, broard beans or pinto beans instead of pigeon peas. Use
acorn squash or butternut in place of pumpkin. You can grow pumpkin,
okra,and sweet potato(yam the Americans call it) an trim their young shoots
for the Antigua pepperpot as well. Try it it is great.
As to the rare greens, will they grow up north in zone 6? Count me
in
Some do, check Johnnies Seed, Edible Ornamentals
or Territoriail seed for some of them.
Happy eating, Jennifer
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Subject: Re: Crucian Kallaloo/Antiguan Pepperpot
From: dreadlox@cwjamaica.com (michael kent barnett)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 04:17:45 -0700
Jennifer Maynard wrote:
>
> Happy eating, Jennifer
Happy?? It was splendifabutantastic!! Its amazing at the differences of
names of foods in the Caribbean area only.
Charlie the last time I had conch I sat two days on the loo, and yet
others didnt, one fellow with me called me 2 days later to say he had
had the same...!
Does anyone know why one person get this toxic reaction and others dont?
Jennifer, "big up" from Jamaica, (greetings)
What do you grow there? And on what scale? How? Hdro or Aqua-p?
Interests me since we are in the same zone.... simlar probs maybe..
Did you see my post re J'can Water Growers Association,
Feel free to join up!!
Mike
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Subject: Loo Relief....try grapefruit seed extract...Re: Crucian
Kallaloo/Antiguan Pepperpot
From: William Evans
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 20:06:31 -0700
m
> Charlie the last time I had conch I sat two days on the loo, and yet
> others didnt, one fellow with me called me 2 days later to say he had
> had the same...!
> Does anyone know why one person get this toxic reaction and others dont?
>
Perhaps you imbibed a bit too much liquid w/ the meal-diluting your
stomach acids a bit too much .Anybody who wants to then invade has free
reign.
Bill, who ate a raw steak(just some seasalt added) the other night
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmgood.
drank nothing before or after for an hour or more, thereby having much
digestive juice to attack the steak and any hangers on.
,,, and who also recommends grapefruit seed extract(or just
grapefruit-no sugar) for the revenge of the loo.
it works.
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