Aquaponics Digest - Thu 10/28/99
Message 1: growing Bass/ vermiculture
from "M. Brody"
Message 2: FWD: Re: Strawberries????
from Robert WALKER
Message 3: Re: Inflation Fans, In or Out?
from "Barry Thomas"
Message 4: Re: Bananas
from Dave Miller
Message 5: Re: Inflation Fans, In or Out?
from Marc & Marcy
Message 6: [Fwd: composting greenhouse/hydronic heat]
from Marc & Marcy
Message 7: Re: Inflation Fans, In or Out?
from "Jewel" <1mastiff@amigo.net>
Message 8: Re: Re: Strawberries????
from "Jewel" <1mastiff@amigo.net>
Message 9: Attachments/HTML, was Re: Re: Strawberries????
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 10: Re: Attachments/HTML, was Re: Re: Strawberries????
from Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Message 11: growing Bass/ vermiculture
from "M. Brody"
Message 12: RE: Technical greenhouse question
from "William Brown"
Message 13: Snail Control
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 14: Re: Attachments/HTML, was Re: Re: Strawberries????
from "Jewel" <1mastiff@amigo.net>
Message 15: Re: [Fwd: composting greenhouse/hydronic heat]
from "Jewel" <1mastiff@amigo.net>
Message 16: attachments
from "Jewel" <1mastiff@amigo.net>
Message 17: Re: growing Bass/ vermiculture
from Marc & Marcy
Message 18: Re: [Fwd: composting greenhouse/hydronic heat]
from Marc & Marcy
Message 19: Re: [Fwd: composting greenhouse/hydronic heat]
from Marc & Marcy
Message 20: Re: growing Bass/ vermiculture
from Bagelhole1
Message 21: Re: [Fwd: composting greenhouse/hydronic heat]
from "Jewel" <1mastiff@amigo.net>
Message 22: vermiculture
from William Evans
Message 23: Re: growing Bass/ vermiculture
from Marc & Marcy
Message 24: Re: growing Bass/ vermiculture
from Marc & Marcy
Message 25: Re: attachments
from Dave Miller
Message 26: Re: vermiculture
from atkindw@cwjamaica.com (david w atkinson)
Message 27: Re: vermiculture
from William Evans
Message 28: Re: growing Bass/ vermiculture
from Marc & Marcy
Message 29: Re: growing Bass/ vermiculture
from Marc & Marcy
Message 30: ammonia and aquatic plants
from
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Subject: growing Bass/ vermiculture
From: "M. Brody"
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 07:54:01 +0200
Shalom,
Does anyone have information/ experience/ references- with a system
growing Bass [for anglers], worms [for fish food/ bait], humus/ effluent
for greenhouses.
Thank you,
Menachem
mbrody@earthling.net
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Subject: FWD: Re: Strawberries????
From: Robert WALKER
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:55:46 +1000
Paula,
This is a hybrid. The fish system is home built with a small
biofilter, able to deal with 20kg of fish (or crayfish in my
system). The hydroponics system is a 1m x 1m (3'x3') by about
6" deep. It uses expanded clay pellets as medium.
So far my thoughts are to place the flood & drain between
2 parts of the biofilter. The first part takes the ammonia
into nitrates and therefore decreases the PH, the second part
has shell grit (fresh water shells), the idea (and so far
so good) is to push back the PH to 7.5 and has been reliable
since.
The aim therefore (since flood and drain requires water on and
water off periods) would be to place a timer & pump in the middle
to take advantage of the PH swing and eat the nitrates and/or
ammonia (The flood period is 15min/hour over a 24hour cycle).
Since the nutrients from the fish stock is high in nitrogen, I
would presumably have to add other nutrients (I was thinking of timed
release direct to the root zone of the plants).
My stock is just off the shelf strawberry plants called in Australia
Tioga and and red gauntlet (Not sure if these mean anything
probably a market strategy!).
My main aim is to trial a commercial venture down the track,
(I am looking at a crayfish farm and RAS systems with BARRAMUNDI
and given the environmental aspects wish to recycle water
and derive an additional income...this is all down the track)
the aim is to get a feel - even if it means only dealing with
leafy greens - My interest was perked up when I heard you
had some successes.
Regards,
Robert Walker,
Australia.
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Subject: Re: Inflation Fans, In or Out?
From: "Barry Thomas"
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:05:36 +0100
Marc,
>> none of this heat is recoverable for use during the night
>> and more energy must be input to maintain nighttime
>> temps.
> There are practical techniques available to store this heat
> energy and recover it at night.
Indeed - I thought I was suggesting one possibility. :)
>> this must result not only in unwelcome temp fluctuations
>> but also increased heating costs as warm internal air is
>> exhausted direct to atmosphere and no heat exchange
>> occurs with the incoming cold air.
> The incoming cold air can be routed through the heat
> storage and at least raise the temperature if not fully heat it.
Yes, fair enough passive heatsinks can work well, drawing air through a
passive heatsink consisting, say, of a tank of water with heat exchanger
will store energy during the day and release it at night.
But a passive sink can only do so much. As has been mentioned, small
temp differentials mean slow, inefficient heat transfer. The rate of
transfer of heat to/from the tank in this example will decrease as the
temp of the heatsink moves closer to that of the air you're pulling
through it. Not only does this mean inefficient and unpredictable
heating/cooling but severely limits the heat storage capacity of your
heatsink for a given volume of water (I think).
> There are ways of insuring heat is as constant as you want
> it.
Would like to hear of some.
> I recently did a study on solar electricity for aquaponics
> pumping purposes. It is a viable and economical idea for an
> intermittent pumping system. We are implementing it here as
> we use the S&S paradigm which has an intermittent pumping
> system.
What fish are you going to use in your new system - tilapia etc or are
you staying with ornamentals and waterplants? You said that you were not
aiming for growth - what are you aiming for?
Been meaning to ask about the solar power since you mentioned it - most
of the questions I had have since been answered but what kind of duty
cycle do you expect from your fans, pumps etc?
What is most of your power going to be spent on (heating, cooling,
pumping etc)?
Also, will you be operating totally independently from the grid or do
you
expect to have to fall back on it during uncooperative weather?
Be interested to hear your thoughts re the Active GH post - do you see
no value in any of it? What other ways do you see of achieving it's
aims? Are the aims worth achieving?
I agree with all you said here but would say that focusing _too_ hard on
reducing initial costs has the danger of paying more for less in the
long run.
Thanks,
Barry
barrythomas@crosswinds.net
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Subject: Re: Bananas
From: Dave Miller
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:07:00 -0400
Banana flowers are desireable as a food. When I was in the Phillipines
last summer they made a salad, it was from the puso (heart or flower) of
the banana and used vinegar (coconut I believe).
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Subject: Re: Inflation Fans, In or Out?
From: Marc & Marcy
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:40:36 -0600
Barry Thomas wrote:
>
> Marc,
>
> >> none of this heat is recoverable for use during the night
> >> and more energy must be input to maintain nighttime
> >> temps.
> > There are practical techniques available to store this heat
> > energy and recover it at night.
By routing your hot exhaust air through ANY passive thermal
storage element/scheme you are storing solar energy, which
you did not pay for, in that mass. There are a plethora of
practical schemes.
Grid connected or gas/diesel powered generators always cost
you utilities since ALL systems have inefficiencies you are
paying for unless you use solar to fire an alcohol still or
something like that.
We have a cash flow differential here so profit potential.
Amortize the thing and it'll work or it won't.
If you have property to dedicate for it you have SPACE for
thermal mass. One scheme is to dig a basement under the
structure to be heated and fill it with rocks with flooring
and baffles to direct the air flow through it. During the
daytime your exhaust fans will pass heated air through it
and the rocks will heat. At night you can direct your blower
input through the rock pile and into your greenhouse. Rocks
cost me 5 to 7 bucks a ton depending on type.
At night outside air is directed through this mass and
heating occurs. The amount of mass, temperature and contact
time will determine temperature rise. You determine how much
temperature storage, rise, etc. you will get. You're doing
an air exchange anyway, why not a few baffles & ducts?
Other schemes use salts that melt at room temperature,
water, oils etc.
I can't tell you what the formula's are but I know this
scheme was around at least thirty years ago when I was
studying a solar heating text.
A cool web site for heating using composting is:
http://www.rdrop.com/users/krishna/
I have a number of posts from another news group I will
forward you after it gets dark about hydronic heating and
methods for straw bale I think are pretty interesting and
relevant to your active heat pump thing. (got to go build
the greenhouse some more) :>!!!
Marc
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Subject: [Fwd: composting greenhouse/hydronic heat]
From: Marc & Marcy
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:41:33 -0600
Here is the link:
http://www.rdrop.com/users/krishna/
-chris
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From: Elizabeth Trail
To: strawbale@crest.org
Date: Thursday, January 28, 1999 7:00 AM
Subject: composting greenhouse/hydronic heat
> Just the other day I followed a link to a description and plans for a
>composting greenhouse which supplied hot water to a house. I can't find a
>bookmark (surely I bookmarked it??) but in a nutshell the author had built
>a greenhouse with strawbale stemwalls and clear plastic stretched over PVC
>arches. He filled the base of the greenhouse with chipped wood from a
>local tree service and other organic wastes. He ran a hotwater line out of
>the house, snaked it through the greenhouse under the mulch and back into
>the house at 140 degrees. The biomass would cool and need replacement
>about every three months, and the finished compost was used in the garden.
>He felt that he had not begun to tap the potential of the heat in the
>biomass with supplying hot water (and out of season fresh veggies)to his
>family of four. If one were to increase the amount of piping in the biomass
>to feed a hydronic heat system in the floors, one would be heating the
>house with the greenhouse rather than vice versa.
> I wonder if one could control the heat coming into the house in a closed
>loop system with the speed of the circulating pump? Water which ran
>through the biomass faster would be cooler?
>
>
>Elizabeth Trail
>Rockbridge Baths, Virginia
>Coltsfoot Pembroke Welsh Corgis
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Subject: Re: Inflation Fans, In or Out?
From: "Jewel" <1mastiff@amigo.net>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:58:11 -0600
> I have seen Mr. Solars website, but its been awhile. I know there are a
lot
> of other good batteries out there, big old 2v deals, NiCad, NiFe, etc.
They
> are just beyond my reach. With batteries it all boils down to cost per amp
hr
> and life span. The Trojan L16 is a pretty good mix of the two.
>
They do seem to be the standard. How long have you used them? Mr. solar
has a great chart that breaks things down in cost per year/lifespan. But we
had a sailboat with a large battery bank, and found that sometimes expensive
batteries aren't all they are cracked up to be, (at least if maintenance
isn't all it should be).
Jewel
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Subject: Re: Re: Strawberries????
From: "Jewel" <1mastiff@amigo.net>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:01:20 -0600
Sorry folks, but I won't open attachments due to possible virus
contamination (which we've seen on the list lately). It's best to refer to
a website, or if short enough, cut and paste into email.
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert WALKER
To: aquaponics
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 6:55 AM
Subject: FWD: Re: Strawberries????
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Subject: Attachments/HTML, was Re: Re: Strawberries????
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:13:51 -0500
At 11:01 AM 10/28/1999 -0600, Jewel wrote:
>Sorry folks, but I won't open attachments due to possible virus
>contamination (which we've seen on the list lately). It's best to refer to
>a website, or if short enough, cut and paste into email.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Robert WALKER
>To: aquaponics
>Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 6:55 AM
>Subject: FWD: Re: Strawberries????
>
Jewel - you seem to have quoted a message I can't find, either in my mail or
the digest version. Could you send me more details? I'm really befuddled
on this one. If it's the message I show at 10:55 PM, there was no attachment
that shows in my message.
Paula
PS: While reviewing the digest looking for this message, I saw that some of
us are still using HTML format. Please change your program settings to send
text only to this list.
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Subject: Re: Attachments/HTML, was Re: Re: Strawberries????
From: Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:28:00 -0400
Ditto for me too Paula, I didn't get that message either. Perhaps
Halloween Gremlins causing Y2Chaos a few days early?
Adriana
> Jewel - you seem to have quoted a message I can't find, either in my mail or
> the digest version. Could you send me more details? I'm really befuddled
> on this one. If it's the message I show at 10:55 PM, there was no attachment
> that shows in my message.
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Subject: growing Bass/ vermiculture
From: "M. Brody"
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 20:17:47 +0200
Shalom,
I"ll try again-
I have a friend who is urgently in need of practical advice/ information
concerning setting up a large system raising worms for feeding Bass.
Thank you,
Menachem
mbrody@earthling.net
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Subject: RE: Technical greenhouse question
From: "William Brown"
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 08:32:27 -1000
Lots of us use hoophouses here in Hawaii. We too get a heat buildup problem
but probably not as severe as yours. Was hoping we could get the cooling
experts to give us some practical rules but apparently too many complicated
variables. In any case we have found for our climatic conditions to keep
the greenhouse shortened to 50 or 60 feet to maintain air temperatures near
to outside temperatures. What I plan to do with my next greenhouse which
will be 120' long is to separate the plastic at the 60' mark making one
structure with a 2' gap in the middle of the length of the plastic. I will
close this 2' gap with either white shade cloth (or dynaglass with an air
vent if too much rain comes in). We have tried making vent holes in the
plastic but found that they are generally too small or too few to make
sufficient difference in heat removal.
I don't use it because of the acid air here, but many growers recommend
using foggers to provide up to 10% cooling of the air inside greenhouses.
Klerk's makes a greenhouse plastic called Kool Light plus that diffuses
light and is reported to also lower greenhouse temperatures 9 to 12 degrees.
Some growers have reported insufficient light in the greenhouses during
cloudy situations for lettuce and other crops needing high light levels.
William Brown mahiwai@cmpmail.com
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From: aquaponics
[mailto:aquaponics]On Behalf Of Adriana Gutierrez &
Dennis LaGatta
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 1999 9:12 AM
To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
Subject: Technical greenhouse question
In the next six months I will be facing the prospect of relocating my
greenhouse operation to make way for "progress". I have looked at a
number of properties with existing greenhouses on them and have a couple
of questions for the solar and greenhouse gurus among us:
Most of the greenhouses I've seen are hoop structures. From my research
it appears that because of the nature of the design, hoop structures
require fans year-round because of the way heat is trapped under the
hoop and pushed dowm onto the benches. This raises the operating
costs. In fact one property was available because the current tenant
found the cost of cooling the structures made the business economically
unfeasible. Some of these properties can be purchased at substantial
discounts, such that some additional capital could be invested to
improve the operation of the structures. Among the possibilities that
come to mind:
1. Can hoop structures be retrofitted to allow some passive convection
ventilation, avoiding the need for fans and cooling for at least some of
the year? I've seen some advertisements for commercial hoop structures
with what appears to be a vented hoop which lifts up from one side,
almost creating a sawtooth effect. Or can you put in some central ridge
venting?
2. Is there a way to run fans with solar power? This requires some
up-front capital investment but reduces operating costs. If so, what are
the reliability issues related to this equipment? Will sea air and
extreme sunlight lead to a short life for the equipment and lots of
headaches down the road?
Adriana
Sarasota
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Subject: Snail Control
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:35:58 -0500
Charlie Shultz posted to the Jamaica mail group some results they've had at
UVI using Redear Sunfish to control a snail infestation in their system.
Charlie, I think that would be a great addition to this group as well if you
have the time to repost here.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: Re: Attachments/HTML, was Re: Re: Strawberries????
From: "Jewel" <1mastiff@amigo.net>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:06:20 -0600
Hi Paula,
sorry, I didn't know we weren't supposed to use html with the list.
Regarding the attachments, one was sent by Robert Walker 10/28 "Re: Re:
Strawberries????"
Another from Marc and Marcy the same day, with the subject of composting
greenhouses/hydronics
I'd really like to read what they sent, but I learned along time ago (the
hard way of course) not to open attachments. Even if you really trust the
sender and trust that they know enough not to pass on a virus or worm
unwittingly, some of these worms even send themselves via a trusted source.
So you need to know that it is an intentional communication (be expecting an
attachment from them).
Jewel
>
> Jewel - you seem to have quoted a message I can't find, either in my mail
or
> the digest version. Could you send me more details? I'm really
befuddled
> on this one. If it's the message I show at 10:55 PM, there was no
attachment
> that shows in my message.
>
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Subject: Re: [Fwd: composting greenhouse/hydronic heat]
From: "Jewel" <1mastiff@amigo.net>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:11:50 -0600
Marc, is there anyway you can send me this other than an attachment? It
sounds very interesting.
----- Original Message -----
From: Marc & Marcy
To: aquaponics group
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 10:41 AM
Subject: [Fwd: composting greenhouse/hydronic heat]
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Subject: attachments
From: "Jewel" <1mastiff@amigo.net>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:17:41 -0600
Maybe it's a glitch in my system. Both messages start with Fwd. So maybe
it's just my program interpreting something as an attachment? Anyone got
any suggestions?
Jewel
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Subject: Re: growing Bass/ vermiculture
From: Marc & Marcy
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:30:52 -0600
"M. Brody" wrote:
>
> Shalom,
> I"ll try again-
> I have a friend who is urgently in need of practical advice/ information
> concerning setting up a large system raising worms for feeding Bass.
> Thank you,
> Menachem
>
> mbrody@earthling.net
http://www.nj.com/yucky/worm/
http://www.smartgardening.com/wormsuppliers.htm
http://www.oldgrowth.org/compost/forum_vermi/
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Subject: Re: [Fwd: composting greenhouse/hydronic heat]
From: Marc & Marcy
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:47:43 -0600
It is not an attachment, it is a internet address. Totally
different thing. When you click on it it takes you to a
website you can browse.
Jewel wrote:
>
> Marc, is there anyway you can send me this other than an attachment? It
> sounds very interesting.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marc & Marcy
> To: aquaponics group
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 10:41 AM
> Subject: [Fwd: composting greenhouse/hydronic heat]
>
> >
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Subject: Re: [Fwd: composting greenhouse/hydronic heat]
From: Marc & Marcy
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:09:53 -0600
I guess I should expand on this. When you click on an
address you are browsing, sufing or cruising the web. If you
treat any non confirmed safe web address as a potentially
hostile website then you will be incredibly and definitely
one of the safest internet users I know.
If you want to browse/surf/cruise one of the top virus
fighting companys in the world for further explanations
their homepage is:
http://www.networkassociates.com/
If you want to browse/surf/cruise an excellent vermiculture
forum it is at:
http://www.oldgrowth.org/compost/forum_vermi/
if you want the United States of America White House Web
Page it is at:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/
For the Speraneo's S&S farms web page it is:
http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
An excellent site that deals with SPAM, (unsolicited junk
mail) is:
http://www.cauce.org/
Marc & Marcy wrote:
>
> It is not an attachment, it is a internet address. Totally
> different thing. When you click on it it takes you to a
> website you can browse.
>
> Jewel wrote:
> >
> > Marc, is there anyway you can send me this other than an attachment? It
> > sounds very interesting.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Marc & Marcy
> > To: aquaponics group
> > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 10:41 AM
> > Subject: [Fwd: composting greenhouse/hydronic heat]
> >
> > >
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Subject: Re: growing Bass/ vermiculture
From: Bagelhole1
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 19:13:02 EDT
In a message dated 10/28/99 10:46:36 PM, marc@aculink.net writes:
<< I"ll try again-
> I have a friend who is urgently in need of practical advice/ information
> concerning setting up a large system raising worms for feeding Bass.
> Thank you,
> Menachem>>
Composting toilets work well for raising worms. Retrofitting or making your
own composting toilet are the cheaper way to go.
Tom Osher
http://bagelhole.org
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Subject: Re: [Fwd: composting greenhouse/hydronic heat]
From: "Jewel" <1mastiff@amigo.net>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 17:15:24 -0600
I know about links, and have no problem with them. But like I said maybe my
outlook program is screwed up, unless your email was supposed to appear as
blank, with a little paper clip (which is what I got). When I clicked on
the paper clip, it didn't show a web address either.
I'd prefer the composting greenhouse/hydronic link to the whitehouse link,
if you wouldn't mind trying to send that again.
Jewel
----- Original Message -----
From: Marc & Marcy
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Fwd: composting greenhouse/hydronic heat]
> I guess I should expand on this. When you click on an
> address you are browsing, sufing or cruising the web. If you
> treat any non confirmed safe web address as a potentially
> hostile website then you will be incredibly and definitely
> one of the safest internet users I know.
>
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Subject: vermiculture
From: William Evans
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:30:25 -0700
As far as getting worms to breed prolifically , one needs to experiment
w/ different feeds available( some feeds get there "yang" up more than
others)
Also shallow trays are needed as well as climate controlled hothouse
to keep things temperate for them.. W/ a tray system, multiple trays
can be stacked over one another, multiplying available floor space in
the process.. Mechanical rotary harvesters similar to trommel screens
used to screen materials at green waste composting facilities can
screen castings from eggs/capsules, and mature breeders/babies,, you
just have to vaVRY THE moisture content of the bedding prior to screen
ing.......Also helps greatly if the bedding is finely pulverized prior
to planting w/ egg capsules or babies.... Conventional stats on
breeding red worms calls for a doubling or maybe tripling of numbers in
maybe three four months. W/ controlled environment, quiality feed,
proper stocking densities, moisture, it's possible to increase this to
over 100 fold.
What is wromng today w/ the worm biz is that not many folks have
dedveloped the strict protocols/husbandrry necxessary to do this. Have
to separate the breeding from the vermicomposting, otherwise youi'll
never get the amazing increases in numbers that is possible.
billevans
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Subject: Re: growing Bass/ vermiculture
From: Marc & Marcy
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 18:45:40 -0600
Could you comment on how this could be implemented for a
large aquaculture system in a hurry for morms? Prunes,
Ex-Lax?? :>
Bagelhole1 wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/28/99 10:46:36 PM, marc@aculink.net writes:
>
> << I"ll try again-
> > I have a friend who is urgently in need of practical advice/ information
> > concerning setting up a large system raising worms for feeding Bass.
> > Thank you,
> > Menachem>>
>
> Composting toilets work well for raising worms. Retrofitting or making your
> own composting toilet are the cheaper way to go.
>
> Tom Osher
> http://bagelhole.org
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Subject: Re: growing Bass/ vermiculture
From: Marc & Marcy
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 18:52:46 -0600
Sorry. I misspelled worms as morms. Morms are unsuitable for
fish feed.
Marc
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Subject: Re: attachments
From: Dave Miller
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 23:17:08 -0400
Jewel and others,
Some things are sent as both text and as an attachment which duplicates
the text but it will appear in a box and say something like:
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! Name: vermiculture.txt !
! Part 1 Type: unspecified type (application/octet-stream) !
! Encoding: base64 !
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Other examples include Microsoft Word documents ".doc" or programs ".exe
"
In the latter case the .exe indicates an executable program. It may
contain malicious code (a virus) but rarely does. Most utilities such as
Norton and Macafee are sufficient when updated regularly online to check
for the newer problems. Sometimes the bugs such as Happy99 spread so
quickly before a utility program is written to "cure" the bad code.
I hope this helps.
Recycler Dave Coming soon: RecyclerDave.com
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Subject: Re: vermiculture
From: atkindw@cwjamaica.com (david w atkinson)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:27:18 -0700
Sounds Interesting. Tell me more.
David A. (atkindw@cwjamaica.com)
At 04:30 PM 10/28/1999 -0700, you wrote:
> As far as getting worms to breed prolifically , one needs to experiment
>w/ different feeds available( some feeds get there "yang" up more than
>others)
> Also shallow trays are needed as well as climate controlled hothouse
>to keep things temperate for them.. W/ a tray system, multiple trays
>can be stacked over one another, multiplying available floor space in
>the process.. Mechanical rotary harvesters similar to trommel screens
>used to screen materials at green waste composting facilities can
>screen castings from eggs/capsules, and mature breeders/babies,, you
>just have to vaVRY THE moisture content of the bedding prior to screen
>ing.......Also helps greatly if the bedding is finely pulverized prior
>to planting w/ egg capsules or babies.... Conventional stats on
>breeding red worms calls for a doubling or maybe tripling of numbers in
>maybe three four months. W/ controlled environment, quiality feed,
>proper stocking densities, moisture, it's possible to increase this to
>over 100 fold.
> What is wromng today w/ the worm biz is that not many folks have
>dedveloped the strict protocols/husbandrry necxessary to do this. Have
>to separate the breeding from the vermicomposting, otherwise youi'll
>never get the amazing increases in numbers that is possible.
>billevans
>
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Subject: Re: vermiculture
From: William Evans
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 20:51:32 -0700
david w atkinson wrote:
>
> Sounds Interesting. Tell me more.
> The recepe was proprietary,,,
but was a mixture of somegood grains I believe and pretty finely ground
..
a good base grain i think might be oats to start mixing w/ others
could be guessing here-prolly some corn in there-
as far as husbandry -
one could breed unuf to ahndle the bulk of the orgainic waste produced
in the world.
enuf to dent oil demand bigtime.
protocol.....
from birth ( starting w/ capsules)to a few months-worms bred under
"climate controled conditions"
after this turn em loose into your "greenwaste"
This is the time period when they are most hungry
(and put on weight the fastest)
After aas little as3 months bring them back undr controlled conditions
( to breed this time)
or use them as fish food(thts just one byproduct-what about all the
green waste compost(enriched w/ casting)
the time period are rough
start sperimentin
ibll( only the intern to the vermiguru )
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Subject: Re: growing Bass/ vermiculture
From: Marc & Marcy
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:06:15 -0600
"M. Brody" wrote:
>
> Shalom,
> I"ll try again-
> I have a friend who is urgently in need of practical advice/ information
> concerning setting up a large system raising worms for feeding Bass.
> Thank you,
> Menachem
>
> mbrody@earthling.net
I have enough requests for worm websites that I will post my
list.
http://www.smartgardening.com/wormsuppliers.htm
http://www.oldgrowth.org/compost/forum_vermi/
http://www.dragnet.com.au/~lindah/worms.html
http://www.oldgrowth.org/compost/forum_vermi/
http://gnv.fdt.net/~windle/
http://www.unclejim.com/index.shtml
http://www.redclaw.com/
http://www.drylands.demon.co.uk/wigglers.htm
http://www.earthworm.net
http://www.ctvalley.com/nightcrawler.htm
http://www.wormfarm.com/
http://www.vermiculture.u8.com/2Menu.html
http://www.yelmworms.com/
http://www.afn.org/~kazarie/
http://www.nj.com/yucky/worm/
http://www.happydranch.com/
http://www.empnet.com/worms/resource.htm
http://www.mirinz.org.nz/penv/Publications/Composting.htm
http://www.wormwoman.com/commercial_vermiculture.html
http://www.vermint.com.au/growers.html.htm
http://sorrel.humboldt.edu/~ccat/sub/vermi.htm
http://overton.tamu.edu/smith/oldsmith/vermiculture.html
http://www.attra.org/attra-pub/vermicom.html
http://uccecalaveras.org/compost3.htm
http://hopper.usfca.edu/env-safety/Compost/worm.html
http://www.smartgardening.com/wormcomposting.htm
Some of these links may be defunct a sI have not verifyed
them in a while.
Have a squirmy good time
Marc S. Nameth
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Subject: Re: growing Bass/ vermiculture
From: Marc & Marcy
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:07:41 -0600
"M. Brody" wrote:
>
> Shalom,
> I"ll try again-
> I have a friend who is urgently in need of practical advice/ information
> concerning setting up a large system raising worms for feeding Bass.
> Thank you,
> Menachem
>
> mbrody@earthling.net
http://www.smartgardening.com/wormsuppliers.htm
http://www.oldgrowth.org/compost/forum_vermi/
http://www.dragnet.com.au/~lindah/worms.html
http://www.oldgrowth.org/compost/forum_vermi/
http://gnv.fdt.net/~windle/
http://www.unclejim.com/index.shtml
http://www.redclaw.com/
http://www.drylands.demon.co.uk/wigglers.htm
http://www.earthworm.net
http://www.ctvalley.com/nightcrawler.htm
http://www.wormfarm.com/
http://www.vermiculture.u8.com/2Menu.html
http://www.yelmworms.com/
http://www.afn.org/~kazarie/
http://www.nj.com/yucky/worm/
http://www.happydranch.com/
http://www.empnet.com/worms/resource.htm
http://www.mirinz.org.nz/penv/Publications/Composting.htm
http://www.wormwoman.com/commercial_vermiculture.html
http://www.vermint.com.au/growers.html.htm
http://sorrel.humboldt.edu/~ccat/sub/vermi.htm
http://overton.tamu.edu/smith/oldsmith/vermiculture.html
http://www.attra.org/attra-pub/vermicom.htmlhttp://uccecalaveras.org/compost
3.htm
http://hopper.usfca.edu/env-safety/Compost/worm.htmlhttp://www.smartgardenin
g.com/wormcomposting.htm
Enjoy,
Marc
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Subject: ammonia and aquatic plants
From:
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:14:26 +0930 (CST)
Hi group
just a question. Do aquotic plants, such as watercress, use ammonium
rather than nitrates. I heard this is a biology lecture the other day.
Is it true? If it is can you use a bed of watercress or large algae
instead of a biofilter.
Andrew
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