Aquaponics Digest - Mon 11/01/99

Aarre's claims was to start seeds.  Every effort was made to keep all things

equal during the experiment.  Since the emitter produces some heat, a heater

was added to the control group to keep the temperature equal.  There where

no noticeable differences between the two samples.

Dale Robinson

HERE IS MY RESPONSE:

Hi Dale,

Thanks for the input.  I certainly have questioned the legitimacy of these

people.  Not listing their phone numbers, especially when they are selling

something that makes such outrageious claims, set off some warning bells.

But the promise of it was so great, I just had to try one just in case, and

they sent it first, then I sent the payment (just in case).

I agree with you about the plants - it could be a fluke.  Although I've

never seen differences quite so dramatic, and literally overnight.  But

although it made me hopeful, I am a scientist at heart, so I was already

making plans for a second test, which will begin today on lettuce, and from

seed.  I'm going to be keeping video records, so we can even see if there

are germination differences.

Could you elaborate a bit on your experiment?  Did you just bury the emitter

(I take it that is the "probe" thingibob that looks like a capped pvc pipe)

in your root zone?  Soil/ hydroponics?  Which model did you use?  If you

still have it, and have a similar model, maybe you could try duplicating my

experiment?

Jewel

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From: Dale Robinson

To: 1mastiff@amigo.net

Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 8:17 PM

Subject: QuantumPonics

HERE'S HIS RESPONSE:

Hi Jewel,

It's possible that the heat from the probe(emitter Aarre calls it a probe)

made the difference in the recovery of the sick plant.  Not the so call

quantum field.  I was able to measure the field that was produced to some

degree.  There does not seem to be two intersecting fields as claimed, but

there is a field.  When I gave my experiences to Scott Penrose.

> I've been working with an AMA 200 for about 3 months and cannot get the

> results that are claimed.  All trials showed no difference between plants

> treated with the AMA 200 and those not treated.

> Do you have anyone that you personally know that has had some success with

> this machine?  If so, were there other changes that could be contributed

to

> the success?

> Thank you,

>

> Dale Robinson

> prof-robinson@worldnet.att.net

 He replied:

Hi Dale

Thank you for contacting us. We have recently taken on the distribution of

Quantumponics products.

Can you advise of the following:

- how you have set up your trial (physical description of the hardware)

- what types of plants have been used (cultivar - bred for Hydroponics or

standard garden types)?

- what water supply are you using (town water, rain water, bore water etc)?

- what are the PH and EC readings being used (did you start low EC and build

up?)

- is your trial indoors or outdoors?

- do you have a unit with the super emitter (is the probe covered or is it

open

and you can see the

   wires?)

- if required, could you send 2 x 1/2 litre samples from your nutrients tank

that has the QP in it

  (sorry but I am not aware of your location - local or offshore?)

Obviously what we are trying to do by asking the above questions is to

iscolate

what thing or combination may be attributing to the situation.

In the mean time I will organise a contact number for you of someone who is

purely a customer - no bias or ties with us or the manufacturer - so that

you

can discuss with them how they have implemented and the results being

achieved

(since we have just taken on the distribution [started this month] I will

have

to ask the manufacturer to organise the contact details and pass them on to

you).

Thank you for letting us know about the problem - with some assistance from

you, I am sure we will get to the bottom of it.

Regards,

Scott Penrose

Easirun Australia

PH: +61-(0)2-9890-6969 MBLE: +61-(0)412-139083

Note: the things that were given for problem solving were things that may

effect growth but have nothing to do with the quantum ponic unit.  I have

come to the conclusion that the sales of the unit is used to help the seller

get his foot in the door(so to speak).  This unit has been for sell for

about 4 years so why is it that very few people have had success with it.

I just started working for a greenhouse operation.  By implementing some

ideas of mine, the tomatoes have increased in average size by about 4

ounces(from 8 to 12 oz).

Now for my experiments:

# 1   bag culture is a run to waist system.  The bags are filled with

perlite  and nutrient is dripped into them.  A puddle of nutrient is formed

at the bottom of the bag.  The probe was placed under the bag.

the field was in the root zone.  The experiment lasted for about 6 weeks.

photos were taken once a week.  We thought at one time that it was working

but then realized that there was less fruit on the experiment plant.

#2  Two tubs of equal size with temperature indicator tapes near bottom.  An

aquarium heater was placed in one, the probe in the other.  Both were

aerated.  Seeds were placed in perlite on a Styrofoam raft.  Distilled water

was used(about 2 gallon in each tub).  3 different sized seeds were used

with 5 holes for each kind of seed.  The probe was about 2 inches from the

seeds.  The probe was on during the entire experiment.  If you try this

experiment I would suggest that you use a third control group without

heating to see if it's the heat that helps the claims work out.

Every time I talked to Aarre(e-mail) about these he always suggested

something that would improve nutrient uptake that had nothing to do with the

machine and would be hard to run a control group with.

I have the AMA-200.  Let me know how you experiment comes out.

Good Luck

Dale Robinson

P.S.  Please don't share this info with Aarre,  he'll only threaten to sue

me as he has to some other people I know.

JEWEL'S RESPONSE:

Hi Dale, I think I see the problems regarding the difference between my

experiment (and the US distributor's, who also uses the ama200 the same way

as I did ).  I'll comment within your text.

DALE:

Now for my experiments:

# 1   bag culture is a run to waist system.  The bags are filled with

perlite  and nutrient is dripped into them.  A puddle of nutrient is formed

at the bottom of the bag.  The probe was placed under the bag.

the field was in the root zone.  The experiment lasted for about 6 weeks.

photos were taken once a week.  We thought at one time that it was working

but then realized that there was less fruit on the experiment plant.

JEWEL:

I was told that the probe was only to be used to charge nutrient solution,

not put adjacent to plants.

DALE:

#2  Two tubs of equal size with temperature indicator tapes near bottom.  An

aquarium heater was placed in one, the probe in the other.  Both were

aerated.  Seeds were placed in perlite on a Styrofoam raft.  Distilled water

was used(about 2 gallon in each tub).  3 different sized seeds were used

with 5 holes for each kind of seed.  The probe was about 2 inches from the

seeds.  The probe was on during the entire experiment.  If you try this

experiment I would suggest that you use a third control group without

heating to see if it's the heat that helps the claims work out.

JEWEL

I also have the 200.  I was told that using the probe in anything less than

a minimum of 5 gallons, would be detrimental to the plants, and possibly

even kill them.  So in my experiment, I kept the probe in a 5 gallon bucket

of nutrient solution, agitated it occasionally, and hand watered my plants

(in perlite, in 5 gallon buckets) several times a day.  Also, the probe was

never near the plants.

DALE

Every time I talked to Aarre(e-mail) about these he always suggested

something that would improve nutrient uptake that had nothing to do with the

machine and would be hard to run a control group with.

JEWEL

I've noticed it's hard to get direct answers back to direct questions.

Perhaps its a language barrier?  In any case, the US distributor is very

clear and easy to communicate with.

DALE

I have the AMA-200.  Let me know how you experiment comes out.

JEWEL

Will do.  You might want to try duplicating mine also.  If you do, keep in

mind that the reason true scientific experiments are done "double blind"

(the person administrating the experiment doesn't even know which is the

control and which isn't), is because attitude can effect the outcome.  Your

bad experiences could effect it negatively at this point.  It would be ideal

to have someone else who doesn't know what is going on do the experiment,

according to your instructions.  When I did mine, I had someone do the

watering who didn't know what to expect, so my mindset couldn't effect the

experiment either positively or negatively.

I have begun my lettuce experiments now, and we'll see if there's any

difference in those.

DALE

P.S.  Please don't share this info with Aarre,

JEWEL

I wont.

thanks again,

Jewel

HIS NEXT EMAIL:

Hi Jewel,

When I performed my experiments, I was following claims made by Aarre.

1. Plants exposed to the field would show increased growth.  This he called

folier(spelling???) treatment.

2. Seeds soaked in treated water would sprout twice as fast.

I wish I could find some of his old emails so I could quote him exactly.  My

computer crashed a while back and I lost a lot of my corrispondance.  I'll

look in my old computer and see if I have any left there.  I may have done

all my corrispondance from that computer.  Most of what I have said to you

is from memory and may not be very accurate.  For example; I had originally

said that I tested it for 2 months but when I checked an old email it said 3

months.

After the first experiment I was told the unit would not work as well

through the air to the plants.  I feel as if he were changing his what works

list as I found out what doesn't work.  I am going to give this thing

another try though.  This time I'm putting it into 50 gallons of nutrient

solution and comparing the crop with plants that were planted at the same

time in another greenhouse several hundred feet away.

The nutrient solution is mixed in 2 - 50 gallon parts so I have to treat one

for 24 hours and then treat the other.  A total of 20 gallons will be used

during the 48 hours of treatment.  80 out of a hundred gallons will be fully

treated.  The claim was made that the field treated the nutrients so when

these nutrients are mixed 1part nutrients to 100 parts water the nutrients

will still be "charged".

The claims that the probe will kill the seeds if got too near is a new one

on me as well as the minimum amount of water.  Just goes to show what they

can do to results to desreguard them.

One claim was that the machine could increase tomato size.  The claim was

accomanied with instructions to aerate the nutrient solution.  It turns out

that aerating the nutrient solution will increase the tomato size.  There

are other things that can be done to increase tomato size as well, for

instance, removing tomatoes to 2 per truss.

Aarre sent me some photos of 2 root systems.  One treated and one control.

The treated roots were twice as long as the control.  That may appear to be

great to the novice, but, the nice thing about hydroponics is that the root

system stays small because the roots don't have to go looking for nutrients.

I'm not sure what he was trying to tell me with those pictures.

I suppose you'll find out soon enough what you did wrong.

Dale Robinson

MY RESPONSE:

Hi

DALE

....The nutrient solution is mixed in 2 - 50 gallon parts so I have to treat

one for 24 hours and then treat the other.  A total of 20 gallons will be

used during the 48 hours of treatment.  80 out of a hundred gallons will be

fully treated.  The claim was made that the field treated the nutrients so

when these nutrients are mixed 1part nutrients to 100 parts water the

nutrients will still be "charged".

JEWEL

I don't know about splitting up the time of the unit in 2 different

resevoirs.  Something I read said that the charge only lasts a certain

amount of time.  So if you really want to do a good fair test, stick to one

reservoir.  This is from an email from the US distributor:  "If you try to

use too small a unit, the reservoir will never get fully charged. It's like

trying to air up a tire with a bicycle pump, and the tire has a slow leak."

DALE

The claims that the probe will kill the seeds if got too near is a new one

on me as well as the minimum amount of water.  Just goes to show what they

can do to results to desreguard them.

JEWEL

It was that it would kill plants, I didn't hear anything about seeds.

DALE

One claim was that the machine could increase tomato size.  The claim was

accomanied with instructions to aerate the nutrient solution.  It turns out

that aerating the nutrient solution will increase the tomato size.

JEWEL

They told me the aeration was to agitate and circulate the water across the

probe, so I just stirred my experimental plants instead of aerate.

DALE

Aarre sent me some photos of 2 root systems.  One treated and one control.

The treated roots were twice as long as the control.  That may appear to be

great to the novice, but, the nice thing about hydroponics is that the root

system stays small because the roots don't have to go looking for nutrients.

JEWEL

true.

By the way, where are you?  What kind of hydro operation do you have?

Jewel

HIS NEXT EMAIL:

Hi Jewel,

I'm in Davenport, Iowa.  My interest in the Quantumponic machine was to

manufacture it here in the states.  When I advertised the Quantumponic

machine I got an email asking me if I had some success with it.  Turns out

this guy was a distributor for the U.S. and England.  He paid Aarre for

exclusive rights to those territories.  Sales were slow and after 2 years

Aarre decided to withdraw those territory rights.  He never said whether or

not he had any successes in those two years.  He did say that a machine was

sent to California.  That trial ended up as a failure.

I would like nothing better then to prove that this machine did work.  If it

did I could make lots of money with it.  The fact is, there is no evidence

and no test that shows that this thing works.  They say that pictures do not

lie but, liars can make pictures that tell lies.  The pictures in Aarre's

web site could very well be of plants that were planted at different times

or grown for the sole purpose of deceit.

Seeing is believing and all too often, what is seen can be interpreted many

different ways.  The growing season is past here.  If this experiment does

not work, then there is no other test that I have that is convenient for me

to run a test.  At this time I don't feel that the machine is worth spending

any more money or time on to test.  I'm convinced that if I experience

further failure, it would be explained away as well.  IF I see some good

results from this test I'll try another time in a more controlled situation.

I just visited Aarre's web site http://quantumponics.iinet.net.au . It has

changed a lot since my first visit.  I notice that there is a lot less

instruction as to what works and a lot more on limitations.  My unit came

with no instructions.  Some of his comments are from his experiences with

me.  Note the Emitter in brackets next to probe.  One of my first questions

was "what does it measure?".  To me a probe is something that measures or

gets information.  An emitter sends out signals, fields and so on.

His description of the deep cycle system best describes my 2nd experiment.

He discounts heat as being a factor though.  The seeds were his suggestion.

His description of the Deep cycle system suggest that the probe works best

when placed in the root zone.  Why didn't the experiments work out to prove

the machine works?  Be cause it DOES NOT work.

Dale Robinson

(GROUP, THIS IS JEWEL WRITING AGAIN.  AT THIS POINT I DECIDED NOT TO RESPOND

BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING MORE I COULD SAY - I HAD NO NEW ADVICE TO GIVE,

AND

HE WAS NOW STATING HE WOULD NOT DO AN  EXPERIMENT BASED ON THE PROPER USE

PARAMETERS THE COMPANY GIVES.  HE ALSO WOULDN'T TRY TO DUPLICATE MY

EXPERIMENT, AND IT WAS CLEAR HE'D DECIDED THE DEVICES DIDN'T WORK, SO EVEN

IF HE TRIED TO DUPLICATE IT AT THAT POINT, IT MIGHT FAIL ANYWAY WITHOUT AN

OBJECTIVE DOUBLE BLIND SET UP.  IT SEEMED THAT A LOT OF MISUNDERSTANDING

BETWEEN HIM AND THE COMPANY TOOK PLACE, WHICH WAS VERY FRUSTRATING TO HIM.

I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, AND DO FEEL SORRY FOR HIM.  I HOPE THIS, AND MY

EARLIER RESPONSE WILL HELP EVERYONE KEEP AN OPEN MIND UNTIL I CAN COMPLETE

MY EXPERIMENTS, AND REPORT ON THEM, AND YOU CAN HOPEFULLY DO YOUR OWN.  SOME

PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN THIS LIKE A PERSONAL ATTACK ON DALE, BUT I ASSURE YOU,

NONE OF IT WAS PERSONAL OR MEANT TO OFFEND, I'M JUST TRYING TO KEEP

OBJECTIVITY AND TRUTH UP FRONT, AND IF THAT HURTS, IM SORRY, BUT I HAVE THE

GREATER INTERESTS OF THE GROUP AT HEART.  I AM

RECINDING MY OFFER TO LET MEMBERS OF THE GROUP GET UNITS WHOLESALE THROUGH

ME, SO THAT

NO ONE WILL THINK I HAVE ANY CONFICT OF INTEREST.)

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Subject: Re: QuantumPonics machine

From:    "Peter D. Rau" 

Date:    Mon, 01 Nov 1999 15:02:08 -0600

Hey Jewel...

Great reply!  Some people aren't able to have an open mind about an idea unless

it is their own.

Peter

PS...I have a Physics bookreport due....wanna write it for me!?  *snicker*

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Subject: Re: QuantumPonics machine

From:    "Jewel" <1mastiff@amigo.net>

Date:    Mon, 1 Nov 1999 15:01:52 -0600

----- Original Message -----

From: TGTX 

To: 

Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 6:32 AM

Subject: Re: QuantumPonics machine

>

> > Whoa there, Tedzo!

> >

> > It seems to me that you're shooting the messenger here:

>

> > so your derisive tone is a bit

> > out line.

>

> > Shooting

> > each other in the back for well-meaning attempts does not accomplish

> > anything but generate ill will

>

> No shooting on my end.  Sorry you felt the need to interpret my comments

in

> that way.

It sure seemed like an attack to me, but I just didn't respond to it

directly, or how I felt, or as much as I felt it deserved, because I didn't

want to create more unpleasantness between us.

> No derisive tone on my end, either..my comments were given in the same

> dispassionate tone that Dale offered his, I think.

Maybe after you read the full email discourse I hope you'll feel different.

> puzzled by the reply. If anything, it seems I picked up a thread of this

> discussion in mid stream and the derision seemed to be well underway.

Check

> out the tone of the post I responded to.  I saw no finger wagging coming

> from anyone, including myself, in response to those choice words of

Jewel's

> about Dale's findings.

But you need to consider what's going on here.  Dale made a post with the

intent to negatively influence the lists opinion of the device.  I knew that

this was based on bad science, and a disgruntled outlook, not legitimate

"findings".  If he had done the experiments properly, I would want everyone

to know.  But he didn't.  So my post was with the intent to keep the group

from being unduly negatively influenced, and keep the group going on with an

open mind until all the facts are in.  So I had to say the things I did, to

do that.  Again, I'm sorry if I offended, and I probably should have just

posted the whole email saga between us in the first place. But in my

opinion, his post was a bit like a minor "flaming".

Dale said it doesnt work for him.  Jewel claims something

Well, here comes the psychologist in me.  You say you have no axe to grind

either way, but it seems you do.  Your original email wasn't one of merely

seeking the truth, it was one of attacking and challenging.  And very

interesting choice of words

"Dale SAID it doesn't work for him.  Jewel CLAIMS something else."  So

Dale's words are facts, and mine are just claims.  Thanks.  Adrianna's

right, it makes me feel like not offering any info anymore.

Jewel

So be it.

>

> Ted

>

>

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Subject: Re: QuantumPonics machine

From:    "Jewel" <1mastiff@amigo.net>

Date:    Mon, 1 Nov 1999 15:05:09 -0600

Thanks Peter, I needed that.

----- Original Message -----

From: Peter D. Rau 

To: 

Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 3:02 PM

Subject: Re: QuantumPonics machine

> Hey Jewel...

>

> Great reply!  Some people aren't able to have an open mind about an idea

unless

> it is their own.

>

> Peter

>

> PS...I have a Physics bookreport due....wanna write it for me!?  *snicker*

>

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Subject: Re: Fw: planting medium

From:    "Jewel" <1mastiff@amigo.net>

Date:    Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:21:05 -0600

Ron, (or anyone) do you have any recommendations for what to plant in our

greywater biofilter, especially with the consideration of the 9200 ft high

desert terrain of our location north of the NM border?

Jewel

----- Original Message -----

From: Ronald Polka 

To: 

Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 1:40 PM

Subject: Re: Fw: planting medium

> At 07:18 PM 11/1/1999 +0800, you wrote:

> >

> >----- Original Message -----

> >From: sultan joson 

> >To: 

> >Sent: Saturday, October 30, 1999 8:50 PM

> >Subject: Re: planting medium

> >

> >

> >>

> >> -----  Can volcanic cider be used as growing material in a aquaponic

> >system?

> >>

> >

> I have successfully used volcanic cinders in two artificial wetlands that

> biofilter intensive tilapia systems and large mouth bass systems. The

> nitrification wetland has canna lilies that grow taller than any I have

> ever seen, more than 7 feet. This filter passes recirculation water from

> the tanks (after a settling tank) through the wetland with a 3 hour

> retention time. The denitrification wetland grows canna lilies and has

also

> had louisiana flag (water iris) and bulrush, unfortunately the jackrabbits

> loved the iris and bulrush and they are no more. The denit wetland has a

> retention time of 5 days. Plants do not grow as vigorously there because a

> much higher portion of the wetland is anaerobic. These two wetlands are

> about 20 x 35 x 3 feet, plastic lined. The nitrification wetland is 2 to 3

> inch rock and the denit is 1 to 2 inch. Each of these wetlands took the

> contents of a fully loaded 18 wheeler gravel truck. I have not used

> volcanic gravel in a hydroponic vegetable system but it has certainly done

> well with cannas, lilies, and bulrush.

> Ron Polka

> Southwest Technology Development Institute

> New Mexico State University

> Box 30001, Dept 3SOL

> Las Cruces, NM  88003

> rpolka@nmsu.edu

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Subject: Re: duckweed

From:    dbenhart@essex1.com (David Benhart)

Date:    Mon, 01 Nov 1999 17:49:44 -0800

Hi all

  Has anyone heard of growing Wasabi In a system, and if so do you have a

source for seed or starts ect?

                                       Dave Benhart

                                       Shore acres Greenhouse

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Subject: Re: QuantumPonics machine

From:    Dave Miller 

Date:    Mon, 01 Nov 1999 19:31:47 -0500

Jewel,

On days when my own attitude is poor, I generally lose my car keys, a

wallet or a client file. If I'm lucky, my van will start!

These things are not living but you are right that attitude affects the

outcome!

Peace, Dave

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Subject: Re: duckweed

From:    Dave Miller 

Date:    Mon, 01 Nov 1999 19:34:58 -0500

Wasabi-ko, is a mixture of horseradish and mustard. You would need to

grow both. The mustard should work fine, not sure about horseradish as

it is a long taproot.

Dave

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Subject: Re: duckweed

From:    dbenhart@essex1.com (David Benhart)

Date:    Mon, 01 Nov 1999 18:50:41 -0800

Dave

  Real wasabi is real wasabi.  It sells for 100 dollars a pound in Japan.

The horseradish mixture is a substitute  due to the high price of the real

thing.

horse radish mixture leaves a hot taste , wasabi is hot but then goes

away. I  saw an article in a local  newspaper that described an

entrepreneur in Florence Ore. that has found a way to grow it in

greenhouses. sounds a lot like an aquaponics type setup.

   later  Dave Benhart

            Shore Acres Greenhouse

Dave Miller wrote:

> Wasabi-ko, is a mixture of horseradish and mustard. You would need to

> grow both. The mustard should work fine, not sure about horseradish as

> it is a long taproot.

>

> Dave

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Subject: Weight of water - Thanks!

From:    Brian Gracia 

Date:    Mon, 01 Nov 1999 19:02:09 -0600

Hello Everyone,

I just wanted to say thanks for the help.

Brian Gracia

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Better Produce through Better Control 

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Subject: Re: Where in Virginia

From:    "Patrick Pierce" 

Date:    Mon, 01 Nov 1999 20:17:03 EST

I live in Richmond Va and would like to visit at your convience.

Pat Pierce

pierce50@hotmail.com

(804) 334-9000 Daytime

(804) 272-6552 Home

>From: PWGARDENS

>Reply-To: aquaponics@townsqr.com

>To: aquaponics@townsqr.com

>Subject: Where in Virginia

>Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 17:45:37 EST

>

>Charlie

>I live in the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia.  We are not far off of I-81 in

>Harrisonburg.  If you would like to stop by E-mail me and I will give you 

>my

>phone number.

>

>  I have a hydroponic tomato greenhouse with 400+ plants starting to yield

>this week.  A friend and I are getting ready to start raising several

>thousand Tilapia as soon as we can get the setup ready.  Next comes the fun

>part - working at combining the two operations.

>

>Marlan

>

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Subject: Re: Weight of water

From:    "Jay Myers" 

Date:    Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:37:41 -0500

Fresh water  8.34 lbs / gallon   & 7.48gal / cu. Ft.

I think 62.4 Lbs / cu.ft,   about 64 # for salt water.

Jay

-----Original Message-----

From: Brian Gracia 

To: aquaponics@townsqr.com 

Date: Sunday, October 31, 1999 10:08 PM

Subject: Weight of water

>Hello Everyone,

>

>Does anyone know the weight of water per ft3.  I am designing a tank and

>stand for a experiment in aquatics for personal reasons.  It is to test a

>theory on a small scale before going commercial one day.

>

>TIA,

>Brian

>********************************************

>Better Produce through Better Control 

>********************************************

>

>

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Subject: wasabi

From:    "Wendy Nagurny" 

Date:    Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:31:05 -0500

Hydroponically grown wasabi japonica appears to be big business in NZ.  Here

is an hydroponics supplier that also lists wasabi japonica seeds for sale.

http://www.nzero.co.nz/hydropon/index.htm

Wendy

>Dave

>  Real wasabi is real wasabi.  It sells for 100 dollars a pound in Japan.

>The horseradish mixture is a substitute  due to the high price of the real

>thing.

>horse radish mixture leaves a hot taste , wasabi is hot but then goes

>away. I  saw an article in a local  newspaper that described an

>entrepreneur in Florence Ore. that has found a way to grow it in

>greenhouses. sounds a lot like an aquaponics type setup.

>

>   later  Dave Benhart

>            Shore Acres Greenhouse

>

>Dave Miller wrote:

>

>> Wasabi-ko, is a mixture of horseradish and mustard. You would need to

>> grow both. The mustard should work fine, not sure about horseradish as

>> it is a long taproot.

>>

>> Dave