Aquaponics Digest - Fri 03/30/01
Message 1: CORN BURNING STOVES
from RalphMcl 'at' aol.com
Message 2: Re: CORN BURNING STOVES
from CAVM 'at' aol.com
Message 3: Re: CORN BURNING STOVES
from "Jay Myers"
Message 4: Re: CORN BURNING STOVES
from CAVM 'at' aol.com
Message 5: Re: CORN BURNING STOVES
from "TGTX"
Message 6: AHHHHHH!!!
from "Devon Williams"
Message 7: Re: CORN BURNING STOVES
from Wjp1816 'at' aol.com
Message 8: RE: AHHHHHH!!!
from "billevans"
Message 9: RE: AHHHHHH!!!
from "Devon Williams"
Message 10: RE: AHHHHHH!!!
from "billevans"
Message 11: corn burning stoves
from "David Andrews"
Message 12: Favorite Catalogs....
from Nick Nichols
Message 13: Re: AHHHHHH!!!
from "Sulfercreek"
Message 14: Re: CORN BURNING STOVES
from Wjp1816 'at' aol.com
Message 15: Re: AHHHHHH!!!
from "Adriana Gutierrez"
Message 16: RE: AHHHHHH!!!
from "billevans"
Message 17: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Sat 03/24/01
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 18: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Sat 03/24/01
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 19: Re: AHHHHHH!!!
from Peggy & Emmett
Message 20: Reply to - Re: AHHHHHH!!!
from "David Atkinson"
Message 21: Re: Reply to - Re: AHHHHHH!!!
from marc 'at' aculink.net
Message 22: Re: Reply to - Re: AHHHHHH!!!
from "David Atkinson"
| Message 1
Subject: CORN BURNING STOVES
From: RalphMcl 'at' aol.com
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 03:48:27 EST
Does anyone have any info on corn burning stoves?
Thanks in advance.
Ralph
| Message 2
Subject: Re: CORN BURNING STOVES
From: CAVM 'at' aol.com
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 06:55:06 EST
In a message dated 3/30/2001 2:49:00 AM Central Standard Time,
RalphMcl 'at' aol.com writes:
<<
Does anyone have any info on corn burning stoves?
Thanks in advance.
Ralph >>
I can tell you in general that they are much like wood fired stoves except
that they have a hopper for the corn fuel and an electric auger to feed the
corn to the fire box. Some old friends of mine heat their house with one and
they love it. I bought their no longer needed wood stove from them.
Corn has a higher BTU value than wood. Typically wood will be 13,000,000 to
14,000,000 BTU per ton, I think. Corn tests about 17,000,000 BTU per ton.
At $2.10 per bushel and 66 lbs per bushel it comes to $63.63 per ton. Wood
would cost $52.40 per ton to be competitive.
If you are considering a small home type corn stove you would actually be
comparing wood pellets to corn. Wood pellets cost about $110 per ton, or 2
times the cost of the same BTU as corn.
If you are considering the corn unit to a larger size which might heat a shop
or barn, say 1.000,000 BTU unit, you can find one to burn unprocessed
sawdust, corn or other "alternative" fuels interchangeably.
We are doing a study now to evaluate various larger combustion units and
alternative fuels such as corn, green sawdust, ground wood waste,
switchgrass, coal fines, etc. We are looking for economical heat for a
proposed indoor fish production facility with greenhouse operation. These
units can be from 1,000,000 BTU to 10,000,000 BTU and will provide hot water
heat and energy from economical fuel sources.
So far we have decided that we can burn the tree trimmings from the power
company, the crop residue from farms, soiled cardboard and unrecycleable
paper, construction debris, animal manures, and many other byproduct fuels.
If we burn green sawdust at $12/ton delivered, that is the same as heating
our fish production facility with $.14 per gallon propane. The paper mills
around western Kentucky pay about $6 per ton delivered for sawdust and wood
chips so we think we should be able to get all we want for $12. Right Ted?
Regards,
Cornelius A. Van Milligen
Kentucky Enrichment Inc.
byproduct processors
CAVM 'at' AOL.com
| Message 3
Subject: Re: CORN BURNING STOVES
From: "Jay Myers"
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 06:50:43 -0600
Cornelius -
What part of the corn plant are you burning ?
Thanks
Jay Myers
Panama City Beach, Fl.
| Message 4
Subject: Re: CORN BURNING STOVES
From: CAVM 'at' aol.com
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 08:47:56 EST
In a message dated 3/30/2001 7:20:59 AM Central Standard Time,
aerialads 'at' panamacity.com writes:
<< Cornelius -
What part of the corn plant are you burning ?
Thanks
Jay Myers
Panama City Beach, Fl.
>>
Well, my neighbors burn the kernel, right from the farmers bins. This is for
a home size unit.
For the industrial unit we will burn the kernel and the stover (everything
else left after the kernel is harvested).
Cornelius A. Van Milligen
Kentucky Enrichment Inc
byproudct processors
CAVM 'at' AOL.com
| Message 5
Subject: Re: CORN BURNING STOVES
From: "TGTX"
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 08:08:43 -0600
> So far we have decided that we can burn the tree trimmings from the power
> company, the crop residue from farms, soiled cardboard and unrecycleable
> paper, construction debris, animal manures, and many other byproduct
fuels.
> If we burn green sawdust at $12/ton delivered, that is the same as heating
> our fish production facility with $.14 per gallon propane. The paper
mills
> around western Kentucky pay about $6 per ton delivered for sawdust and
wood
> chips so we think we should be able to get all we want for $12. Right
Ted?
>
> Regards,
Huh? Sorry, I must have been dozing off....I thought he said "corn
pone"......;-).
I'm a little torn and frayed this morning and need to have MORE COFEE!!
But, ah, yes, you bet, back on January 19th of this year I posted a message
kinda about this as I was randomly pondering such things......and here it is
for y'all to ponder as randomly as you wish...... once again..... Notice
that I drop Neal's name in a New York Minute....which is roughly equivalent
to a New Hampshire Heartbeat, or a Kentucky Trot, and contrary to popular
opinion, also comparable to a Texas Two-Step) ;-)
>My wife is making eggs from our chicken tractor (the hens are starting to
>make their egg-laying come back.....photoperiod I guess) this morning for
>breakfast, and she asked me to crank up the wood stove. Mission
>accomplished. Guess I earned my meal this morning. But that got me
>thinking about wood heat in the aquaponic greenhouse and thought I wood
pass
>this info along. Ran across this article in Countryside Magazine:
>"Pellet stoves are clean, convenient, economical, and a wonderful
>innovation. Small though they may be, a pellet stove can produce enough
>heat for an average size cabin retreat, or small home. A 40-lb bag of wood
>pellets into the hopper each morning keeps things cozy. Made from waste
>sawdust, the pellets look like rabbit food. A small auger feeds the
pellets
>into the fire, and a draft fan blows the flue gases out, while a blower
>forces the hot air into the room. Pellet stoves are very clean burning,
and
>you'll see very little smoke (if any). Because the pellets are so small,
>and combustion air is forced around them, efficiency is very high (that's
>combustion efficiency...TG). These stoves are easy to install, and some
>models can be converted to burn inexpensive corn. Most stoves are makde of
>light-guage steel, and are easy to handle..."
>The cheap corn idea is kind of intriguing to me...I guess that means
shucked
>corn seed as well as corn cobs and corn stalks........ I think Neal Van
>Milligan on this list may have some good ideas about fuel pellets made from
>recycled agriculture waste such as animal bedding, etc.
>Here are some Internet resources for more info on woodstoves and heating
http://www.antiquestoves.com
http://www.centralboiler.com
http://www.readymaderesources.com
http://www.tradad.com/venkov
http://www.transoceanltd.com
http://www.woodmaster.com
>Stay warm, y'all.
>Ted
Don't let your corn pone get cold!
Ted
Jus' Tally.....
I don't have it in me this morning for the exclamatory Ho.
| Message 6
Subject: AHHHHHH!!!
From: "Devon Williams"
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:29:34 -0500
O.k., this is one I never thought I'd have to write...
The pump in my fish tank is so strong, that my BRAND-SPANKIN' NEW
FINGERLINGS are unable to swim away from it, and they are getting suck up
against the intake grate.....AHHHHHHH It's obvious that they aren't very
happy after having that happen.... The pump is turned off right now, but I
can't leave it off forever...
Any input as to how to solve this??????
Thanks!
Devon Williams
Beer Belly Brothers Brewing
Watkinsville, GA
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| Message 7
Subject: Re: CORN BURNING STOVES
From: Wjp1816 'at' aol.com
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:44:26 EST
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| Message 8
Subject: RE: AHHHHHH!!!
From: "billevans"
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 08:41:00 -0800
increase the surface area of the intake grate
billevans
........
--...AHHHHHHH It's obvious that they aren't very
happy after having that happen.... The pump is turned off right now, but I
can't leave it off forever...
Any input as to how to solve this??????
Thanks!
Devon Williams
| Message 9
Subject: RE: AHHHHHH!!!
From: "Devon Williams"
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:52:06 -0500
Thanks Bill, any suggestions as to how to do this?
Devon
>From: "billevans"
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>To:
>Subject: RE: AHHHHHH!!!
>Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 08:41:00 -0800
>
>increase the surface area of the intake grate
>billevans
>........
>--...AHHHHHHH It's obvious that they aren't very
>happy after having that happen.... The pump is turned off right now, but I
>can't leave it off forever...
>
>Any input as to how to solve this??????
>
>Thanks!
>
>
>
>Devon Williams
>
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| Message 10
Subject: RE: AHHHHHH!!!
From: "billevans"
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 09:11:53 -0800
your at the helm, crunch the numbers
Is the flow rate of your pump excessive?
maybe a smaller pump. If not ,then engineer a bigger grate.
--
Thanks Bill, any suggestions as to how to do this?
Devon
| Message 11
Subject: corn burning stoves
From: "David Andrews"
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:00:13 -0500
When you are doing your cost comparisons, shelled dry corn is 56#/bushel
not 66. If you purchase 66# corn it would be so moist that it would spoil
into one big moldy mass. Roy
| Message 12
Subject: Favorite Catalogs....
From: Nick Nichols
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 09:53:09 -0800 (PST)
Greetings!
I want to turn aquaponics into a small business and
have just purchased an 8 x 12 greenhouse. Now I need
some supplies.
What are some of your favorite (and
reliable)aquaculture and hydroponic catalogs?
Any and all suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Nick,
Ohio
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| Message 13
Subject: Re: AHHHHHH!!!
From: "Sulfercreek"
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:21:18 -0500
Put a valve on the outlet and throttle the flow down
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O.k., this is one I never thought I'd have to write...
The pump in my fish tank is so strong, that my BRAND-SPANKIN' NEW
FINGERLINGS are unable to swim away from it, and they are getting suck up
against the intake grate.....AHHHHHHH It's obvious that they aren't very
happy after having that happen.... The pump is turned off right now, but I
can't leave it off forever...
Any input as to how to solve this??????
Thanks!
Devon Williams
Beer Belly Brothers Brewing
Watkinsville, GA
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| Message 14
Subject: Re: CORN BURNING STOVES
From: Wjp1816 'at' aol.com
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:29:49 EST
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If you're interested in "corn burning" stoves check out the following web
site.
www.cornburner.com
Bill Pizer
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If you're interested in "corn burning" stoves
check out the following web
site.
www.cornburner.com
Bill Pizer
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| Message 15
Subject: Re: AHHHHHH!!!
From: "Adriana Gutierrez"
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:05:19 -0600
Bill,
This sounds like an emergency - in a system we set up at a workshop in
W Virginia, the drain was via a standpipe that was 4 inces below the
top of the tank. It has holes that allows solids to go through but not
fish. If you have a fax machine I could send you some drawings.
In the interim you might put in an airstone and siphon out 5-10% of
the water and replace it daily....
Adriana
> your at the helm, crunch the numbers
> Is the flow rate of your pump excessive?
> maybe a smaller pump. If not ,then engineer a bigger grate.
| Message 16
Subject: RE: AHHHHHH!!!
From: "billevans"
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 12:54:33 -0800
what about attaching some" spacers" on the side of the standpipe, so as to
support some hardware cloth( wrapped in fiberglass window screening) out
away from the pipe, thereby reducing the overall "fingerling sucking
strength"?
billevans
( w/ no fish)
.........................
- in a system we set up at a workshop in
W Virginia, the drain was via a standpipe that was 4 inces below the
top of the tank. It has holes that allows solids to go through but not
fish.
| Message 17
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Sat 03/24/01
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:16:31 -0600
Geez Dave,
I'd love to keep on "bugging" UVI. I and my wife would love to go the Virgin
Islands in February, but I only have so many favors left on this list. I
don't want to P.O. any more people.
The "Winter Course" is absolutely up to Dr. J. If he and his staff should
decide to offer this program, I would certainly be willing to offer my help.
He said that he couldn't get 5 people interested.
All I can say is "WOW!" There have certainly been more than 5 people contact
me about this.
But, I am trying really, really hard to leave this in the hands of the UVI
people.
(BUT, IF YOU PEOPLE KEEP RESPONDING TO THE AQUAPONICS LIST.......WHO
KNOWS??!!)
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Sat 03/24/01
In a message dated 3/25/01 12:07:39 AM Central Standard Time,
aquaponics-digest-request 'at' townsqr.com writes:
<< (I promise I won't mention this again unless someone else
contacts me about it.) (If I keep bugging them, maybe we can all meet in
the
Virgin Islands in February!!) :)
>>
***************************************************************
Steve,
Keep on bugging 'em. My wife & I would like to attend in winter
prefferably
February ) but will likely never attend in summer. If you can make tham
aware
of how much money they are loosing by not making the course available when
the customers ( students, in this case ) want, they may reevaluate thier
position on teaching a winter course.
Regards,
Dave
| Message 18
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Sat 03/24/01
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:25:18 -0600
Hi Jay,
All I can say is "WOW"!
C'mon Dr. J. & Donald,
Let's open up a winter course.
I really don't want to be involved in this. I don't want to upset anyone
but there are so many really cool people who want to be involved.
LET'S DO AS BRUCE SAYS.....WE'LL ALL JUST ARRIVE AT THE UVI IN FEBRUARY AND
SAY "HI" DR. J. WE'RE HERE!!
In jest, but an interesting thought.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "JAlan Aufderheide"
To:
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Sat 03/24/01
Yaaay Dave, Yaaay Steve!
But I can tell you from personal experience at a big name institution that
YOU are to serve the needs of the university types, NOT the other way
around.
Jay
P.S. I think there are 2 Jays around so maybe I should start signing
"Colorado Jay" to keep someone else from suffering unnecessarily?
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 3:42 AM
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Sat 03/24/01
> In a message dated 3/25/01 12:07:39 AM Central Standard Time,
> aquaponics-digest-request 'at' townsqr.com writes:
>
> << (I promise I won't mention this again unless someone else
> contacts me about it.) (If I keep bugging them, maybe we can all meet in
the
> Virgin Islands in February!!) :)
> >>
> ***************************************************************
> Steve,
> Keep on bugging 'em. My wife & I would like to attend in winter
prefferably
> February ) but will likely never attend in summer. If you can make tham
aware
> of how much money they are loosing by not making the course available when
> the customers ( students, in this case ) want, they may reevaluate thier
> position on teaching a winter course.
> Regards,
> Dave
| Message 19
Subject: Re: AHHHHHH!!!
From: Peggy & Emmett
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 18:06:23 -0500
At 11:29 AM 3/30/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>O.k., this is one I never thought I'd have to write...
>
>The pump in my fish tank is so strong, that my BRAND-SPANKIN' NEW
>FINGERLINGS are unable to swim away from it, and they are getting suck up
>against the intake grate.....AHHHHHHH It's obvious that they aren't very
>happy after having that happen.... The pump is turned off right now, but I
>can't leave it off forever...
>
>Any input as to how to solve this??????
>
>Thanks!
>
>Yes. I solved the problem by buying window screen. I cut a big square and
wrapped it around the pump. The piece was large enough so that when sitting
in the tank the material puffed away from the pump. I gathered the edge of
the screen above the pump, on the outflow pipe, and tied it off with
plastic ties. Once a week I'd lift the pump out and hose off the fish food
that collected on it. I took the screen off when the fish were about 2"
long. Simple, cheap, and it worked. ......Emmett
| Message 20
Subject: Reply to - Re: AHHHHHH!!!
From: "David Atkinson"
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 20:13:55 -0500
Maybe you could consider covering the pump intake with sponge as a
prefilter. This may slow down the force and the fingerlings would be safer.
When the sponge gets 'clogged' you can switch off the pump and wash out the
sponge.
David A
(atkindw 'at' cybervale.com)
----- Original Message -----
From: Devon Williams
To:
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 11:29 AM
Subject: AHHHHHH!!!
> O.k., this is one I never thought I'd have to write...
>
> The pump in my fish tank is so strong, that my BRAND-SPANKIN' NEW
> FINGERLINGS are unable to swim away from it, and they are getting suck up
> against the intake grate.....AHHHHHHH It's obvious that they aren't very
> happy after having that happen.... The pump is turned off right now, but I
> can't leave it off forever...
>
> Any input as to how to solve this??????
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Devon Williams
> Beer Belly Brothers Brewing
> Watkinsville, GA
>
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| Message 21
Subject: Re: Reply to - Re: AHHHHHH!!!
From: marc 'at' aculink.net
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:24:55 -0700
The suction could be spread out over a larger area. There's
an inverse suction effect the further you get away from the
pipe intake.
Multiple intakes, larger intake screen, place a "fish fence"
screen aways from the intake. All these techniques spread
the force out over a larger area.
I have witnessed fry kills with active screens so buyer
beware.
An engineered benefit of your setup could be negated if the
incorrect solution is implemented.
More information as to your setup would be helpful. Do you
have a conical or depressed bottom type tank and use your
suction to assist in solids removal for instance? What hp
and suction line size do you use. What is your GPM flow rate
through your grate? etc.
Blocking an intake can be problematic as it could causes
cavitation (depending on the pump) which can be destructive
to the pump parts. Some pumps don't care and some do.
Marc N.
> > The pump in my fish tank is so strong, that FINGERLINGS are unable to swim away from it,
and they are getting suck up against the intake grate..
> > Any input as to how to solve this??????
> >
| Message 22
Subject: Re: Reply to - Re: AHHHHHH!!!
From: "David Atkinson"
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 23:14:33 -0500
You wrote:
...., snip .... , snip ...
> More information as to your setup would be helpful.
snip .... , snip ...
++++++++++++++++++++++++
Marc's response is right on the button. I guess we were just responding
(brainstorming) without information on the set-up.
The solution has to be system specific. Maybe our friend could describe the
system design in more detail so we could offer better solutions.
Remember guys, no matter how good you are, ... If the information on which
decisions are made is flawed, then the ensuing decision is also flawed as a
consequence.
David A.
> have a conical or depressed bottom type tank and use your
> suction to assist in solids removal for instance? What hp
> and suction line size do you use. What is your GPM flow rate
> through your grate? etc.
>
> Blocking an intake can be problematic as it could causes
> cavitation (depending on the pump) which can be destructive
> to the pump parts. Some pumps don't care and some do.
>
> Marc N.
>
> > > The pump in my fish tank is so strong, that FINGERLINGS are unable to
swim away from it, and they are getting suck up against the intake grate..
>
> > > Any input as to how to solve this??????
> > >
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