Aquaponics Digest - Sun 04/01/01



Message   1: Re: WAS Spirulina.. Cholesterol and Aquaponics
             from "TGTX" 

Message   2: Cyber Attack Warning
             from "TGTX" 

Message   3: Re: Cyber Attack Warning
             from "Adriana Gutierrez" 

Message   4: Re: Cyber Attack Warning
             from "TGTX" 

Message   5: Re: Cyber Attack Warning
             from "Laura Dalton" 

Message   6: Re: Cyber Attack Warning
             from david benhart 

Message   7: Re: Cyber Attack Warning
             from "TGTX" 

Message   8: Traveling to Florida Panhandle
             from Mike Davey 

Message   9: Re: Traveling to Florida Panhandle
             from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)

Message  10: Re: Cyber Attack Warning
             from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)

Message  11: car wax
             from laberge 'at' cil.qc.ca (LABERGE MARC)

Message  12: Re: Favorite Catalogs....
             from "TGTX" 

Message  13: Re: car wax
             from "TGTX" 

Message  14: Re: Cyber Attack Warning
             from "Adriana Gutierrez" 

Message  15: Re: car wax
             from "Adriana Gutierrez" 

Message  16: Re: car wax
             from Jim 

Message  17: Re: Cyber Attack Warning
             from Ian Franzmann 

Message  18: Re: WAS Spirulina.. Cholesterol and Aquaponics
             from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com

Message  19: Re: Cyber Attack Warning
             from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com

Message  20: Virus Attack
             from "Hurst, Steve ( China)" 

| Message 1                                                           
Subject: Re: WAS Spirulina.. Cholesterol and Aquaponics
From:    "TGTX" 
Date:    Sun, 1 Apr 2001 09:15:34 -0500

Hi Mike.

A few more thoughts on cholesterol and diet, and possible crops for you
there:

Everyone needs more fiber than they get on average in the USA.  It is
generally recommended that our minimum daily fiber intake should be around
20 to 30 grams.  Most folks in the USA only eat about 10 to 15 grams a day.
Many processed foods have much of the fiber removed.

Fiber plays a key role in normal intestinal function.  As fiber passes
through the colon, it acts like a sponge by absorbing water, which results
in bulkier and softer stools.  Food wastes then move through the body more
quickly, and bowel movements become easier and more regular.  Adequate fiber
in the diet helps prevent constipation and pressure during bowel movements,
which promote development of hemmorroids.

Fiber may also play an important role in preventing or treating some medical
problems.  These include diverticulosis, irritable bowel syndrome, and
cancer, especially colon cancer.  Fiber seems to be involved in cholesterol
and glucose (sugar) absorption.  It may decrease blood cholesterol levels
and may help control diabetes.

If we take the daily recommended amount of fiber into our diet, however, it
is VERY important to drink at least 8 to 10 glasses of fluid a day.  If a
person does not drink enough water, enough fluids, then eating the right
amount of fiber can actually cause constipation.  Exercise is also very
important to prevent constipation.

Generally speaking, from a nutritional standpoint, there are 2 types of
fiber.
(From a lay person's standpoint, the terms crude fiber, dietary fiber and
bran all tend to refer to much the same thing)

Soluble fiber is found in oat bran, kidney beans, and other dried beans and
some fruits and vegetables.  It forms a kind of gel in water.  Soluble fiber
helps to stabilize blood sugar levels in people with diabetes and has been
found to lower high blood cholesterol levels.

Insoluble fiber is found in wheat bran, vegetables, and whole grains.  It
can absorb water but does not dissolve in water.  Insoluble fiber helps to
treat constipation and diverticulosis and may even help to prevent certain
types of cancer.

Here are some good foods to look for to increase your dietary fiber.  You
may wish to consider growing some of these within the aquaponics greenhouse
or integrated outdoor field crops "ferti-gated" with the fish tank wastes
there in lovely Jamaica, Mr. Mike:

3/4 cup raw blackberries: 6.7 grams fiber, 1.0 g soluble fiber.

2 medium figs, raw, 9/lb, 2.25 in. diameter 2.5 g fiber, 0.7 g soluble
fiber.

1 cup raw raspberries: 9.1 g fiber, 0.5 g soluble fiber.

1.25 cups strawberries: 4.1 g fiber, 1.5 g soluble fiber.

1/3 cup All-bran cereal: 8.8 g fiber, 1.6 g soluble fiber.

3 tbsp toasted wheat germ: 4.1 g fiber, 1 g soluble fiber.

1/3 cup black-eyed peas (cowpeas) 8.2 g fiber, 3.7 g soluble fiber !!!!!

Corn, canned or vaccum packed, 1/2 cup, 6.0 g fiber, 2.6 g soluble fiber

1/2 cup canned garden peas,  5.4 g fiber, 2.7 g soluble fiber.

3/4 cup mashed acorn squash, 5.3 g fiber, 0.5 g soluble fiber.

1 cup raw asparagus, 4.6 g fiber, 0.8 g soluble fiber.

1 cup raw bean sprouts, 3.1 g fiber, 0.6 g soluble fiber.

Brussel sprouts, 1/2 cup, 3.6 g fiber, 1.5 g soluble fiber.

Raw carrots, 1 cup 3.6 g fiber, 1.5 g soluble fiber.

1/2 cup mushrooms, 3.1 g fiber, 1 g soluble fiber.

1 cup raw Kohlrabi, 3.8 g fiber, 1.6 g soluble fiber.

1 cup raw onions, 5 g fiber, 1.6 g soluble fiber.

1 cup raw hot chili pepper 3.0  g fiber, 0.9 g soluble fiber  Aiyyeee!!!

1 cup raw Chinese cabbage, 4.6 g fiber, 2.3 g soluble fiber!!!!

1 cup raw Zucchini, 3.9 g fiber, 1.8 g soluble fiber.

And of course there are a galaxy of good fruits, melons, and bean varieties
with lots of fiber, including canteloupe, all kinds of citrus fruits, kiwi
fruit, mango, nectarine, papaya, peach, pear, pineapple, plums, watermelon,
etc. which are real good for you.

10 medium olives at 113/lb have 1.5 g fiber and 0.5 g soluble fiber.  Put
them on an aquaponic salad with some raw bean sprouts, red bell pepper
slices, raw carrot, chopped onions and mushrooms with genuine feta goat
cheese crumbles and you are there, mon!

Hope this helps suggest a few crops to ponder for the good island thing you
got goin', mon!

Live Life Lively!

Have a grand Sunday....it is foggy here this mornin' and I am contemplating
dietary matters, gettin' down to the fiber in the weave of life, doncha
know. ;-)

By the way, today or tomorrow, I start filling up my 2 450 gallon polytanks
in the attached greenhouse I just finished panelling with the help of my 6
year old daughter, Laura.  She really helped me like a big girl, and she
really likes to use the Makita power drill...with a little help from the old
man....we also planted some marigolds yesterday and today we will plant some
Celosia and Bell Peppers and 'maters...

It's all Good.

Tedzo.

> As I recall I wrote..
>
> Ok friends..I found out this year that I have a high cholesterol level
> due to hereditary factors, and need to supplement my diet by more
> natural things.. since this yea rIve been eating a lot more food and
> vegetables from the land based farm but looking more and more into an
> aquaponic system to grow some of my foods too.

| Message 2                                                           
Subject: Cyber Attack Warning
From:    "TGTX" 
Date:    Sun, 1 Apr 2001 10:09:17 -0500

Folks,

I don't know much about how hackers do what they do or how viruses work, but
I think I just experienced one of the worst kinds of cyber attack.  I don't
know where it came from, but while I was composing an email message to Neal
on our list, I clicked on my browser to do a search for algae culture.
Before I could even go to my usual search engine, however, page after page
of pornography sites started loading up on my PC.
I have never experienced anything like this, and I am very glad my kids were
not going into a chat room or whatever and might have seen this.  There was
no way to stop the process except to pull the plug on the PC.  It totally
locked up my ability to shut down the browser.  Really vile stuff.

I don't know if this is a virus that is going around via email, or if it is
on this list, or whether the website that I default to as the opening
homepage when I open up my web browser is right now under a cyber attack by
some sick hacker.

In any case, I thought I would warn you folks, if you have kids, especially,
to be aware of this random, drive by psychic violence and psychological
warfare that is going on out there, and I only hope that you guys don't ever
have to pay the price of exposure to this garbage just because of the fact
that we are out on the Internet exploring and communicating with one
another.

Please let me know, especially you folks that are far more computer literate
than I am, if there is anything I can do to prevent this kind of monkey
business on my home computer.

Thanks and God Bless.

Ted

| Message 3                                                           
Subject: Re: Cyber Attack Warning
From:    "Adriana Gutierrez" 
Date:    Sun, 1 Apr 2001 12:02:11 -0500

Ted,
I got hit with that one about 2 weeks ago.  You can't even delete it.
When you block that e-mail address the mail comes back under another
name.  I sent an e-mail to the webmaster and it seems to have stopped.
My ISP could offer no help whatsoever, which was very disappointing,
the best they could offer was that I contact my local police!.  I too
was glad my kids weren't around but there's no assurance it won't
happen again on their e-mail addresses.
> Before I could even go to my usual search engine, however, page
after page
> of pornography sites started loading up on my PC.
> I have never experienced anything like this, and I am very glad my
kids were
> not going into a chat room or whatever and might have seen this.
There was
> no way to stop the process except to pull the plug on the PC.  It
totally
> locked up my ability to shut down the browser.  Really vile stuff.

| Message 4                                                           
Subject: Re: Cyber Attack Warning
From:    "TGTX" 
Date:    Sun, 1 Apr 2001 12:20:22 -0500

> Ted,
> I got hit with that one about 2 weeks ago.  You can't even delete it.
> When you block that e-mail address the mail comes back under another
> name.  I sent an e-mail to the webmaster and it seems to have stopped.

But Adriana, this was not an email.  All I did was click on my microsoft
internet explorer icon, it pause a while, and I thought the server might be
slow....I clicked again, and the next thing I knew it was just webpage after
webpage automatically loading onto the browser....and then it went and
automatically re-wrote the default webpage in my Internet Options under
Control Panel.  My actual default home page is a news and information
site....it never showed up under the barrage of filth.  So I pulled the plug
on the computer and re-booted.  So I went back and deleted all the temp
internet files, the cookies, the history file, and of course re-entered the
proper default home webpage that is automatically opened up when I first go
into my browser.  Weirdest thing I ever saw.....I don't know if somebody
hacked into the server for the website of my news and info URL, or if
somebody hacked into my local ISP, but it was stunning and rapid fire.  Now
I am likely to get all kinds of sexual solicitation email, which I rarely
get...maybe once a month or so, just because the email system is apparently
sold to pervs if you even go to a search engine and try to find something,
you are "tagged" for that market.  It's fairly easy to hit delete real quick
when you see something come into the mailbox at that level of frequency.

Now, I dread what I might be sent in the coming days and weeks.

Thanks, Adriana.

Praying for Peace

Ted

| Message 5                                                           
Subject: Re: Cyber Attack Warning
From:    "Laura Dalton" 
Date:    Sun, 1 Apr 2001 12:25:08 -0500

Ted,

We are running two items of software to protect our computers. We are using
Norton AntiVirus to scan all files received whether it is attachments to an
e-mail or downloaded files. We are also are very careful to run the update
program weekly to make sure we have the latest virus checker.

In addition we run ZoneAlarm. This is a free fire wall that provides lots of
protection from probes, scans, Trojan horses and other efforts to get into
your computer. As an example in the past week our computer has been probed
by hackers from China, Thailand and some where in Europe. The fire wall
stopped all these attempts and the good thing about it is that it gives the
hacker no indication that the computer even exists. ZoneAlarm can be
downloaded from http://www.zonealarm.com and it's free.

If you have any  questions about set up or use of either of these programs
post to the list or send me e-mail directly.

Good Luck,
John Dalton

Laura E. Dalton
Victoria Gardens Bed & Breakfast
1461 State Route BB
West Plains, MO 65775
(417) 256-3268
laura 'at' victoria-gardens.com
www.victoria-gardens.com

----- Original Message -----
From: TGTX 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 10:09 AM
Subject: Cyber Attack Warning

> Folks,
>
> I don't know much about how hackers do what they do or how viruses work,
but
> I think I just experienced one of the worst kinds of cyber attack.  I
don't
> know where it came from, but while I was composing an email message to
Neal
> on our list, I clicked on my browser to do a search for algae culture.
> Before I could even go to my usual search engine, however, page after page
> of pornography sites started loading up on my PC.
> I have never experienced anything like this, and I am very glad my kids
were
> not going into a chat room or whatever and might have seen this.  There
was
> no way to stop the process except to pull the plug on the PC.  It totally
> locked up my ability to shut down the browser.  Really vile stuff.
>
> I don't know if this is a virus that is going around via email, or if it
is
> on this list, or whether the website that I default to as the opening
> homepage when I open up my web browser is right now under a cyber attack
by
> some sick hacker.
>
> In any case, I thought I would warn you folks, if you have kids,
especially,
> to be aware of this random, drive by psychic violence and psychological
> warfare that is going on out there, and I only hope that you guys don't
ever
> have to pay the price of exposure to this garbage just because of the fact
> that we are out on the Internet exploring and communicating with one
> another.
>
> Please let me know, especially you folks that are far more computer
literate
> than I am, if there is anything I can do to prevent this kind of monkey
> business on my home computer.
>
> Thanks and God Bless.
>
> Ted
>

| Message 6                                                           
Subject: Re: Cyber Attack Warning
From:    david benhart 
Date:    Sun, 01 Apr 2001 12:27:26 -0500

Hello all:
 We run exactly what Laura runs, no problems at all.
Dave and Cyndi Benhart
Shore Acres Greenhouse

Laura Dalton wrote:
> 
> Ted,
> 
> We are running two items of software to protect our computers. We are using
> Norton AntiVirus 
> In addition we run ZoneAlarm. This is a free fire wall that provides lots of
> protection from probes, scans, Trojan horses and other efforts to get into
> your computer. 
>
>

| Message 7                                                           
Subject: Re: Cyber Attack Warning
From:    "TGTX" 
Date:    Sun, 1 Apr 2001 12:44:29 -0500

Thanks folks.  Time I did some upgrading, learning new stuff, and
barracading.

You have all been very helpful.

Have a great weekend.

Ted
----- Original Message -----
From: david benhart 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: Cyber Attack Warning

> Hello all:
>  We run exactly what Laura runs, no problems at all.
> Dave and Cyndi Benhart
> Shore Acres Greenhouse
>
> Laura Dalton wrote:
> >
> > Ted,
> >
> > We are running two items of software to protect our computers. We are
using
> > Norton AntiVirus
> > In addition we run ZoneAlarm. This is a free fire wall that provides
lots of
> > protection from probes, scans, Trojan horses and other efforts to get
into
> > your computer.
> >
> >
>
>

| Message 8                                                           
Subject: Traveling to Florida Panhandle
From:    Mike Davey 
Date:    Sun, 1 Apr 2001 14:58:17 -0500

I'll be traveling to the panhandle area of Florida (Crestview) in two 
weeks. Being from northern Wisconsin (where it snowed last night by 
the way) I'd like to see how the other half live.

If there is anyone in the "Florbama" area interested in some 
cultural/informational exchange I'd love to stop by and see what you 
are up to, in the way of fish and plants that is.

Mike Davey
R&D AquaFarms
Oshkosh, WI

| Message 9                                                           
Subject: Re: Traveling to Florida Panhandle
From:    fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date:    Sun, 1 Apr 2001 15:35:55 -0500 (CDT)

Hey Mike I travel through Oskosh about 20 times a month on my way to
Greenbay Might you be favorable to a visit some time.? I am in Racine
and Steve Springs is in in Musgego about 30 minutes north west of me. It
would be kind of nice if the Wisconsin  and the northern Illinois folks
could keep in closer contact as a sort of hands on support group don't
you think?             
                 Bruce

| Message 10                                                          
Subject: Re: Cyber Attack Warning
From:    fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date:    Sun, 1 Apr 2001 15:40:31 -0500 (CDT)

Ted I kind of wonder if your problem started with that snow white virus
a coupel of weeks back
                                   Bruce

| Message 11                                                          
Subject: car wax
From:    laberge 'at' cil.qc.ca (LABERGE MARC)
Date:    Sun, 1 Apr 2001 19:42:33 -0400

Maybe a silly question...maybe not
If I was to use the expensive car wax in my fiber glass raceways, do you
think there could be some sort of chemical release in the water afterwards ?
Marc Laberge
Mont Tremblant
Quebec , Canada

| Message 12                                                          
Subject: Re: Favorite Catalogs....
From:    "TGTX" 
Date:    Sun, 1 Apr 2001 18:57:34 -0500

Howdy Nick.

Might try a couple of these:

http://www.ornamentaledibles.com

http://www.keetonaqua.com

http://www.hydro-gardens.com

http://www.aquaticeco.com

http://www.tanksystems.com

http://www.polydome.com/polytank.html

Might help.

Ted

> Greetings!
> I want to turn aquaponics into a small business and
> have just purchased an 8 x 12 greenhouse.  Now I need
> some supplies.
> What are some of your favorite (and
> reliable)aquaculture and hydroponic catalogs?
> Any and all suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks in advance,
> Nick,

| Message 13                                                          
Subject: Re: car wax
From:    "TGTX" 
Date:    Sun, 1 Apr 2001 19:59:32 -0500

> Maybe a silly question...maybe not
> If I was to use the expensive car wax in my fiber glass raceways, do you
> think there could be some sort of chemical release in the water afterwards
?
> Marc Laberge
> Mont Tremblant
> Quebec , Canada

Dont even do that.
Are you talking about using it as a slipping agent or form agent when you
mold it and pop it out?

Why not use a light coat of paraffin?

Talk to me, here, Marc.

Ted

| Message 14                                                          
Subject: Re: Cyber Attack Warning
From:    "Adriana Gutierrez" 
Date:    Sun, 1 Apr 2001 20:25:03 -0500

Thanks, Laura, installing  a firewall has been on my to-do list for a
while.  "Black Ice" is highly recommended by a friend whose father is
a computer security guru.  I'll give the freebie a try.

Adriana

> In addition we run ZoneAlarm. This is a free fire wall that provides
lots of
> protection from probes, scans, Trojan horses and other efforts to
get into
> your computer. As an example in the past week our computer has been
probed
> by hackers from China, Thailand and some where in Europe.

| Message 15                                                          
Subject: Re: car wax
From:    "Adriana Gutierrez" 
Date:    Sun, 1 Apr 2001 20:26:29 -0500

Marc, if even a drop of the stuff were to get lose you would have
emitter trouble...

> Maybe a silly question...maybe not
> If I was to use the expensive car wax in my fiber glass raceways, do
you
> think there could be some sort of chemical release in the water
afterwards ?
> Marc Laberge
> Mont Tremblant
> Quebec , Canada
>
>

| Message 16                                                          
Subject: Re: car wax
From:    Jim 
Date:    Sun, 01 Apr 2001 20:55:42 -0500

As a release agent we've used spray food grade silicon, canola oil
(PAM), and liquid soap (liquid ivory). Not together that is...
Jim

TGTX wrote:
> 
> > Maybe a silly question...maybe not
> > If I was to use the expensive car wax in my fiber glass raceways, do you
> > think there could be some sort of chemical release in the water afterwards
> ?
> > Marc Laberge
> > Mont Tremblant
> > Quebec , Canada
> 
> Dont even do that.
> Are you talking about using it as a slipping agent or form agent when you
> mold it and pop it out?
> 
> Why not use a light coat of paraffin?
> 
> Talk to me, here, Marc.
> 
> Ted

| Message 17                                                          
Subject: Re: Cyber Attack Warning
From:    Ian Franzmann 
Date:    Mon, 02 Apr 2001 13:03:32 +1000

Hi Ted 
I still read the list though I have had my head in the computer books the
past 2 months.
I also use ZoneAlarm and it works for me.
>Please let me know, especially you folks that are far more computer literate
>than I am, if there is anything I can do to prevent this kind of monkey
>business on my home computer.

I have had over the past year a number indirect (Virus) and direct hacker
attacks into my computer one crashed my computer under Win NT4 and Win95.
So I down loaded the free version of the firewall ZoneAlarm and reduced all
such activities to a minimum. It takes a little study in how to set it up
but worthwhile. You can take back control of what programs can use your
Internet port as incoming data you have requested only, any programs which
act as a server for the originating company, stop any unauthorized Internet
entry to your computer, and there is an Mail safe protection to quarantine
e-mail script (Vb&Java Script Code) attachments (turn this option on and
would help stop future attacks, as it looks like your attack came via this
way).
The professional version of ZoneAlarm has a few more features. 
It is not a memory/file virus checker so you will still need one of those.

Take a look at http://www.zonelabs.com/zonealarm

Ian.

| Message 18                                                          
Subject: Re: WAS Spirulina.. Cholesterol and Aquaponics
From:    dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date:    Sun, 01 Apr 2001 22:06:47 -0700

Truly an EXCELLENT post... Paula are there awards for excellent posts
for the year?? No flattery Ted, but I think Ure depth is fantastic...
thanks for taking the time to help us all in  our searches and queries
and thanks despite all our elbow-pokes... for taking the time to
research these many things... 
I for one truly appreciate it. I am truly expectant and looking forwards
to your operation to be and become a success, because (newbies...) this
dude used to share some fantastic stories when his system was up...

I especially remember the one (really got under ma skin it did...) about
the "Joys of a Morning Sunrise, after hand-feeding my fish and fishing
with my son..." 

may have not been the EXACT title... Im not so good with the research it
seems...lol but it was story to that effect...

I wish you and yours all the best in your endeavours.. genuinely looking
forward to your system to be back in operation. Tell us a bit more about
the technical size and specs please of this new system.

Much Respex mon!!

Mikey. 

TGTX wrote:
> 
> Hi Mike.
> 
> A few more thoughts on cholesterol and diet, and possible crops for you
> there:
>

| Message 19                                                          
Subject: Re: Cyber Attack Warning
From:    dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date:    Sun, 01 Apr 2001 22:15:18 -0700

Adrianna, check http://www.networkice.com/ we here in the island dont
yet have dsl/cable so we are yet spared..

Mike

Adriana Gutierrez wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Laura, installing  a firewall has been on my to-do list for a
> while.  "Black Ice" is highly recommended by a friend whose father is
> a computer security guru.  I'll give the freebie a try.
> 
> Adriana
> 
> > In addition we run ZoneAlarm. This is a free fire wall that provides
> lots of
> > protection from probes, scans, Trojan horses and other efforts to
> get into
> > your computer. As an example in the past week our computer has been
> probed
> > by hackers from China, Thailand and some where in Europe.

"

| Message 20                                                          
Subject: Virus Attack
From:    "Hurst, Steve ( China)" 
Date:    Mon, 2 Apr 2001 04:57:12 +0100

Ted,
 Lots of good advice I see on protecting your computer for the future,
in the meantime you may have a malignant "cookie" thats still in your 
Windows/Favourites folder.( assuming you are running under Windows. I don 'at' t
know
where cookies are stored on other systems)
 It could be timed to activate each time you turn  on your PC, or on a visit
to a specific
 website ( just a couple of examples ).

Had a few similar experiences myself.
One of them kept changing my Homepage back to what "it" wanted everytime I
switched
on the PC.
A quick fix I used was to delete all Internet Explorer Cookies in the
folder. This cured the problem.
When you re-visit your normal sites the "good cookies" you need will be
re-loaded again.

Only problem you might find with this quick fix is if one of your good sites
uses a cookie it has 
left on your PC with an encrypted entry password in it. This you will lose,
and you will have to manually
log in when you visit these sites, the first time.

Incidentally I also use Norton Anti-Virus which did not pick this up.

Steve H

>Please let me know, especially you folks that are far more computer
literate
>than I am, if there is anything I can do to prevent this kind of monkey
>business on my home computer.


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