Aquaponics Digest - Fri 04/13/01
Message 1: Re: Cleaning Grow Beds in S&S system
from "TGTX"
Message 2: Re: Broodstock...
from "efrancisp"
Message 3: Re: Broodstock...
from "KenHale"
Message 4: Re: Cleaning Grow Beds in S&S system
from "Adriana Gutierrez"
Message 5: Re: Broodstock...
from "efrancisp"
Message 6: Re: White LEDs
from "TGTX"
Message 7: Re: Cleaning Grow Beds in S&S system
from "TGTX"
Message 8: RV: Cleaning Grow Beds in S&S system was: Steve, change your underwear!!
from "Carlos Arano"
| Message 1
Subject: Re: Cleaning Grow Beds in S&S system
From: "TGTX"
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:10:41 -0500
When playing aquaponic or wastewater treatment bio-carburetor chess,
Oxygen is the Queen, Organic Carbon is the King. The Grand Royal pair
which must be sufficient but not heavy handed and should waltz around the
palace in balance.
Nitrogen Bishops. Phosphorus Knights. Potassium Rooks.
Minor and trace minerals are the pawns.
The checkerboard is water flow, solar energy, photosynthesis, respiration,
enzymes, aeration, recirculation, substrate, time, space,and frequency. I
am not sure where Sod Yurts, Plaid Bermuda Shorts, Mandelbrot Sets, Duct
Tape and Smoked Crawdads fit into this extemporaneous, ad hoc picture I am
painting, but put just go ahead and toss them in there if you want.....This
game applies to the surface world of aerobic respiration and
eukaryotic/prokaryotic symbiotic interaction.
The dark underworld of anaerobic digestion and fermentation, an antedeluvian
world which existed before Gollum lost his ring and before Hobbits grew
beards on their feet, has a different Royal Family. The Queen is gone
missing.
Checkmate!
Ted
> You're a nut, but I can assure you, you are effecting the lives of
> hundreds here on this list in a very profound way. I got what most of
> your post was about, but I'm little lost with the "Grand Royal
> Factor/Component" thing. Ca-peach? (SP?)
>
> Bill
> What if there were no hypothetical questions?
Glad we're having some fun. Wouldn't be worth it if we didn't have some
kinda fun, right?
Happy Easter All!
Ted
| Message 2
Subject: Re: Broodstock...
From: "efrancisp"
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:17:54 -0400
Does anyone know where I can buy a 25-30 tilapia fingerlings just to
experiment?
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 12:26 AM
Subject: Broodstock...
> Hi Todd,
> By the word "these"...did U mean Mike S' fish? and if so ...what type
> are U doing?? (Pennyfish, Egyptian...etc..)
>
> Id like to know a bit more about your experiences, thinking I might set
> up a lil mini hatchery.
>
> Mike.
>
>
>
> Harmon, Todd S. wrote:
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> > I have had good growth rates with these tilapia.
> > Todd
> >
> > is?
> > Thanking you in advance, Ralph
| Message 3
Subject: Re: Broodstock...
From: "KenHale"
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:23:00 -0500
where are you located?
----- Original Message -----
From: "efrancisp"
To:
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: Broodstock...
> Does anyone know where I can buy a 25-30 tilapia fingerlings just to
> experiment?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 12:26 AM
> Subject: Broodstock...
>
>
> > Hi Todd,
> > By the word "these"...did U mean Mike S' fish? and if so ...what type
> > are U doing?? (Pennyfish, Egyptian...etc..)
> >
> > Id like to know a bit more about your experiences, thinking I might set
> > up a lil mini hatchery.
> >
> > Mike.
> >
> >
> >
> > Harmon, Todd S. wrote:
> > >
> > > Steve,
> > >
> > > I have had good growth rates with these tilapia.
> > > Todd
> > >
> > > is?
> > > Thanking you in advance, Ralph
>
>
| Message 4
Subject: Re: Cleaning Grow Beds in S&S system
From: "Adriana Gutierrez"
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:18:29 -0500
Me thinks Ted has been smoking crawdads in his sod yurt again :>)....
> The checkerboard is water flow, solar energy, photosynthesis,
respiration,
> enzymes, aeration, recirculation, substrate, time, space,and
frequency. I
> am not sure where Sod Yurts, Plaid Bermuda Shorts, Mandelbrot Sets,
Duct
> Tape and Smoked Crawdads fit into this extemporaneous, ad hoc
| Message 5
Subject: Re: Broodstock...
From: "efrancisp"
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:26:01 -0400
Arlington, Virginia
efp
----- Original Message -----
From: "KenHale"
To:
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Broodstock...
> where are you located?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "efrancisp"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 12:17 PM
> Subject: Re: Broodstock...
>
>
> > Does anyone know where I can buy a 25-30 tilapia fingerlings just to
> > experiment?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
> > To:
> > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 12:26 AM
> > Subject: Broodstock...
> >
> >
> > > Hi Todd,
> > > By the word "these"...did U mean Mike S' fish? and if so ...what type
> > > are U doing?? (Pennyfish, Egyptian...etc..)
> > >
> > > Id like to know a bit more about your experiences, thinking I might
set
> > > up a lil mini hatchery.
> > >
> > > Mike.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Harmon, Todd S. wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Steve,
> > > >
> > > > I have had good growth rates with these tilapia.
> > > > Todd
> > > >
> > > > is?
> > > > Thanking you in advance, Ralph
> >
> >
>
| Message 6
Subject: Re: White LEDs
From: "TGTX"
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:30:07 -0500
Can someone explain what the foot candle or lumen profile a $2.95 LED
represents?
Would I have to buy $40 of LEDs to get the light output of a 100 watt
incandescent light bulb? Or can anybody gimme a similar and correct
correlation along those lines?
What would be the advantage(s), other than power saving during operation, of
festooning the inside of the rafters of a small greenhouse with a bazillion
LEDs if the total light output required would cost me a small fortune in LED
parts? Or am I way off?....you know, kind of like that Chinese fighter jet
pilot, WONG WAY.....?
And how would I connect them and "festoon" them in a robust, hot, humid
environment like my greenhouse? Any thoughts there?
Hey, have y'all seen the landscape accent lights that are sold in the Homer
Depot home improvement stores? It is basically little Chistmas lights
encased in a waterproof vinyl tube. Is this what you folks are shooting for?
Just what the heck are you LED hi-techies shootin' for anyway? Now you got
me all curious and everything.
Me thinks we need Marc N. to hold forth, cause he is one of our electronic
gurus...
Ted
(Flying in International Airspace in my own lumbering craft.)
> How bout:
> White LED-5,600 mcd typ. LED1044.$2.95
> http://www.bgmicro.com
>
> Goto the Lets Make A Deal Page.
>
> Brian
| Message 7
Subject: Re: Cleaning Grow Beds in S&S system
From: "TGTX"
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:51:21 -0500
> Me thinks Ted has been smoking crawdads in his sod yurt again :>)....
Only until their tiny little heads whistle...and then the yurt resonates
like electric guitar feedback inside the Liberty Bell.
I suppose you already know, Ms. Adrianna, as a true veteran and archetype of
this list, that we are likely to see a flurry of unsubscribes in the wake of
this weirdness. And what is to become of our stuffy professional
reputations that we must maintain at all times, since they have once again
been dashed on the rocky shore of lunacy?
It's just so hard to kick against the goads of the Muse.
Oh well, we better swing back to the technical stuff. Back to the coal
mines
Ted
(Starched White Button Down Shirts and Proper Behavior from Here on Out)
| Message 8
Subject: RV: Cleaning Grow Beds in S&S system was: Steve, change your underwear!!
From: "Carlos Arano"
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:46:20 -0300
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos Arano
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 9:11 PM
Subject: RE: Cleaning Grow Beds in S&S system was: Steve, change your
underwear!!
Dear Adriana and all the other friends of the list:
First of all my apologies. I'm sending a Table that I'm compiling for my
new book but I didn't translate it. I expect nobody complains.
Many times I see that some people is worried by poor results using
aquaponics with certain crops. When time ago I was asking about measurement
of conductivities in the fish ponds and in the water running back I had not
answers in the list. I understood that maybe nobody checked this factor.
Lately Steve talked about tomatoes. And Adriana said:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Adriana Gutierrez
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 12:53 PM
> Subject: Re: Cleaning Grow Beds in S&S system was: Steve, change your
> underwear!!
>
>
> > Steve,
>
>
> > Let me correct something, I don't have fish at all, my growing method
> > is hydroponic and I have grown tomatoes in a variety of slapdah
> > (home-rigged hydro systems). My understanding is that you can grow
> > tomatoes aquaponically but the yields will be lower because the
> > nutrients aren't as high as optimal tomato production demands. I have
> > seen aquaponic tomatoes growing in Keyser VoTech in West Virginia; if
> > you are experiencing yield problems you may need to supplement the
> > aquaponic nutrients. I don't think the Earth Box itself will be the
> > critical component, but rather the nutrient. (By the way I have an
> > EarthBox and I think you can do just as well with other options that
> > are not so costly)
> > > guess. I know Adrianna and Ted (TGTX) talk about the wonderful
> > tomatos they
> > > grow in their aquaponic systems. (I don't have their success.) I
> > just spent
> > > close to $1,000 on a greenhouse and another $300 on Earthboxes
> > because I
> > > want to grow tomatoes in the wintertime in Wisconsin. I CANNOT get
> > tomatoes
> > > to grow in an aquaponic system.
Adriana is right. There are vegetables that grows better at low
levels of
nutrient concentrations (lettuce, basil, etc.) other requiere medium levels
and a third group needs high levels (tomatoes, beens, etc). Of course, don't
expect good results using aquaponics without nutrient salts suplements for
vegetables in the third group.
Like Adriana I'm not having yet an aquaponic system. Also I'm an
hydroponic oriented fellow.
In writing my second book (in Spanish) on "the ABC of hydroponics", I
was searching around and I ordered in a Chart the compiled values that I was
able to find. I feel it will be useful as a reference for many of you. For
others maybe will be nice to know about.
I tryed to insert the original chart but I was unable without to
breaking the rule on inserts. However, the chart was copied directly from my
manuscripte such it was prepared and it is in Spanish. Since there are not
too many words in it, translation will be very simple with a
hand dictionary or with the Babilon system. My excuses.
Regards to all of you,
Carlos
VEGETABLES Conductivity
values µS/cm
Low Medium
High
Ajíes
1800-2200
Ajos 1400-1800
Alcauciles 800-1800
Apio
1800-2400
Arvejas 800-1800
Batatas
2000-2500
Berenjenas
2500-3500
Brócoli
2800-3500
Cebollas 1400-1800
Chirivía 1400-1800
Coliflor
1500-2000
Endibias 2000-2400
Espárragos 1400-1800
Espinacas 1800-2300
Guisantes 1800-2400
Lechugas 800-1200
Maíz dulce 1600-2400
Nabos 1800-2400
"Okra"
2000-2400
Papas
2000-2500
Pepinos
1700-2500
Porotos
2000-4000
Porotos anchos 1800-2200
Puerros 1400-1800
Rabanitos 1600-2200
Remolachas
1800-5000
Repollos
2500-3000
Repollitos de Bruselas
2500-3000
Tomates
2000-5000
Zapallos
1800-2400
Zucchinis
1800-2400
Zanahorias 1600-2000
FRUITS
Ananá
2000-2400
Arándanos 1800-2000
Banana 1800-2200
Frutillas 1800-2200
Grosella negra 1400-1800
Grosella roja 1400-1800
Melón
2000-2500
Pasionaria 1600-2400
Ruibarbo 1600-2000
Sandía 1500-2400
HERBS
Achicoria
2000-2400
Albahaca 1000-1600
Berro 400-1800
Cebollino 1800-2200
Hinojo 1000-1400
Lavanda 1000-1400
Mejorana 1600-2000
Menta
2000-2400
Mostaza 1200-2400
Perejil
800-1800
Romero 1000-1600
Salvia
1000-1600
Tomillo 800-1600
FLOWERS and ORNAMENTALS
Alhelí
1600-2000
Aster
1800-2400
Begonia 1400-1800
Bromelias 800-1200
Caladio
1600-2000
Canacea
1800-2400
Claveles
2000-3500
Crisantemos
1800-2500
Dalias
1500-2000
Ficus
1600-2400
Gerbera
2000-2500
Gladiolos
2000-2400
Helechos
1600-2000
Impacientes
1800-2000
Palmas
1600-2000
Rosas
1500-2500
Violetas africanas 1200-1500
If somebody wants the original version, please let me know. I will send it
individually by extension .zip.
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