Aquaponics Digest - Thu 05/17/01
Message 1: Re: Tilapia growth
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 2: Re: new farmer
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 3: Greenhouse/Practical Hydroponics & Greenhouses
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 4: organic materials
from "S. C. Hsiao"
Message 5: Magazines and other recommended references:
from "Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta"
Message 6: Re:Taylor Water Stoves
from REMARCINC 'at' aol.com
Message 7: Re: Magazines and other recommended references:
from "bennett"
Message 8: Re: Tilapia growth
from "KenHale"
Message 9: Re: Magazines and other recommended references:
from "Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta"
Message 10: Re: Re:Taylor Water Stoves
from "bennett"
Message 11: Re: Tilapia growth
from "Devon Williams"
Message 12: Re: A cheap greenhouse design-aquaponic orchids
from "Meir Leshem"
Message 13: Re: Tilapia growth
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 14: Re: Tilapia growth
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 15: Re: Magazines and other recommended references:
from "STEVE SPRING"
| Message 1
Subject: Re: Tilapia growth
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 00:17:08 -0500
WELL DEVON,
If I didn't comment on this , I think the list would be ashamed of me!
I've been growing, or trying to grow, the Mike Sipe strain of Tilapia for
almost 18 months now and I doubt if If I have a single fish that is over 3/4
lb. And they all have, as one of our fellow subscribers so eloquently put
it, have a fecal taste to them. "SELL THEM, I WOULDN'T GIVE THEM AWAY!!"
I'm leaning more and more toward the tropical fish side of this business. I
have a couple of "Pet Stores" that have already told me they will pay
$2.00/fish for small lemon yellows and will pay much more for "Electric
Blues". These fish will grow out in about a year
about the same as a
Tilapia (so they say
.I've yet to see it.) I can't make $2.00/fish for a
Tilapia. (And I don't have to fillet, process or educate the consumer with a
beautiful tropical fish.)
These are just my thoughts. I'm very, very pleased that you are having
success. Don't wan't to "rain on your parade", but me personally, I've had
about all of the disappointments that I can stand with Tilapia.
And, fellow subscribers, please don't tell me that I need to purge the fish.
I have purged them for 4 days and then I have purged them for almost 6 days.
I have changed 1/3 of their water 2X/day and run a filter during this
process and they still taste like sh
.! I'm now trying an experiment. I'm
purging them again in my pond. I will let them purge in a green water
environment for a couple of weeks and then try them again. If they still
taste bad after this, then I just don't know. My other fish: catfish, perch
and bluegills are just fine when coming out of the pond.
I just think this batch has just eaten each others fecal discharges to the
point where they are beyond repair.
Later
."Don't want to dwell on this anymore"
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Devon Williams"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:26 AM
Subject: Tilapia growth
Hi all.
I just wanted to comment on the phenomenal growth of my Tilapia. I have
raised tropical fish for many years, but I have never seen this type of
growth with typical ornamentals
.even Oscars! Since approximately March
30th, 2001, the majority of my fish have basically doubled in size, from an
average size of about 2.5", to between 4.5 and 5"! This really surprises
me, especially because I had such a high Ammonia and Nitrite reading for the
first two+ weeks they were in the system
.you've gotta love resilient
fish.
That's all, I just wanted to comment.
Devon Williams
Beer Belly Brothers Brewing
Watkinsville, GA
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| Message 2
Subject: Re: new farmer
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 00:22:43 -0500
AMEN!!
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "KenHale"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: new farmer
Van you need to know who is going to buy your fish before you ever start
unless your just going to grow a few for your own enjoyment. Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: "van jones"
To: "s&s aquaponics"
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 2:32 PM
Subject: new farmer
> Hello All, I am new to the aquaponic way of life. I am very
> interested in organic farming (aquaponics), and I'm still in
> the research phase. I do, however, plan to get into the greenhouse
> business. I realize that some farming practices and also some crops
> are better than others. I would like to ask a few of questions
> of this group. What would be the best and most cost efficient way to
> get started, which crop would be most lucrative, and lastly-
> what would I do with all that tilapia when they reached maturity?
> I live in northeast Arkansas about 60 miles from Memphis, Tn.
> and I don't know, yet, if there is a market for this fish there.
> Any and all comments and information would be greatly appreciated.
> Thank You All,
> Sincerely,
> Van Jones
>
| Message 3
Subject: Greenhouse/Practical Hydroponics & Greenhouses
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 00:39:47 -0500
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Hi Adrianna,
Pls. email me the website of this magazine so I can subscribe to it.
Since I am not one who has climbed the "front end of the learning =
curve". My greenhouse is less than one month old. I am looking at =
"Mother Winter" just around the corner. I WILL grow tomatoes in the =
winter.=20
I don't want to go into this in depth on the aquaponics list. Could you =
please contact me off line 'at' careplus 'at' execpc.com. Any other greenhouse =
growers are welcome also.
Thanks a lot
.Steve
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Adriana Gutierrez=20
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 2:26 AM
Subject: Re: heat loss
=20
I just received this month's issue of Practical Hydroponics and =
Greenhouses. It has an ind-depth article on a variety of heating =
options. One other excellent source of information on a wide range of =
information, including greenhouses is Growing and Selling Fresh Cut =
Herbs, by Sandie Shores (!). It covers every aspect of growing, =
marketing, packaging, regulaotry, structures, pest control in an =
extremely comprehensive manner. Even though she is an in-ground grower =
I recommend this book to everybody, even those of us who have already =
climbed the front end of the learning curve. It is a must-have for =
specialty produce growers. Since she grew in Rochester, Minnesota, =
heating of greenhouses is a serious subject. She has made some of the =
mistakes members on this list have made and gives alternatives.
=20
Adriana
If you can figure out a so-called "Hydronic" approach to heating =
your
system, that would be advisable over air heat alone
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Hi Adrianna,
Pls. email me the website of this =
magazine so I can=20
subscribe to it.
Since I am not one who has climbed the =
"front end=20
of the learning curve". My greenhouse is less than one month old. I am =
looking=20
at "Mother Winter" just around the corner. I WILL grow tomatoes in the =
winter.=20
I don't want to go into this in depth =
on the=20
aquaponics list. Could you please contact me off line 'at' careplus 'at' execpc.com. Any other =
greenhouse=20
growers are welcome also.
Thanks a lot
.Steve
----- Original Message -----
From:=20
Adriana Gutierrez
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 =
2:26=20
AM
Subject: Re: heat loss
I just received this month's issue of =
Practical=20
Hydroponics and Greenhouses. It has an ind-depth article on a =
variety of=20
heating options. One other excellent source of information on a =
wide=20
range of information, including greenhouses is Growing and Selling =
Fresh Cut=20
Herbs, by Sandie Shores (!). It covers every aspect of growing,=20
marketing, packaging, regulaotry, structures, pest control in an =
extremely=20
comprehensive manner. Even though she is an in-ground grower I =
recommend=20
this book to everybody, even those of us who have already climbed the =
front=20
end of the learning curve. It is a must-have for specialty =
produce=20
growers. Since she grew in Rochester, Minnesota, heating of =
greenhouses=20
is a serious subject. She has made some of the mistakes members =
on this=20
list have made and gives alternatives.
Adriana
If you can figure out a so-called =
"Hydronic"=20
approach to heating your
system, that would be advisable over =
air heat=20
alone
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| Message 4
Subject: organic materials
From: "S. C. Hsiao"
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 14:11:55 +0800
Dear All
We are a supplier for the followings
1.) SPHAGNUM MOSS FOR GROWING ORCHID
2.) TEA SEED RESIDUES (used as 100% natural Organic Molluscicide/ Piscicide/
insecticide)
3.) LECA (Light Expanded Clays Aggregate ) for hydroponics
Please feel free to contact us if interested or having any comments
Best Regards
S. C. Hsiao
========================================
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18 TONG KUAN STREET, SAN MIN DIST., KAOHSIUNG, TAIWAN
E-Mail: backman 'at' ks.silkera.net
FAX: 886-7-3126142
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| Message 5
Subject: Magazines and other recommended references:
From: "Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta"
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 02:42:48 -0500
Steve,
Here is the URL for Practical Hydroponics and Greenhouses. While
we're on the subject, I think we should ask others for their
recommended references, as we have anumber of newcomers on the list,
some of whom have yet to show themselves :>) and these references are
essential tools. In addition to PH&G I would also recommend:
Practical Hydroponics and Greenhouses:
http://www.hydroponics.com.au/current_issue.html
Growing Edge http://www.growingedge.com/
GM Pro (a freebie trade magazine)
Growing & Sellign Fresh Cut Herbs - by Sandie Shores, a superb
comprehensive guide to all aspects of growing and selling. Excellent
coverage on greenhouse selection issues, pest control, packaging, etc,
etc. I would get this book even if I only planned to grow leafy
greens; most everything in the book is applicable and useful for hydro
or aquaponic growers.
Hydroponic Crop Production - Lon Dalton and Rob Smith - has extensive
information on many indivdual greenhouse crops which can be grown in
hydro or aquaponic systems
Home Aquaculture - A Guide to Backyard Fish Farming by Steven D. Van
Gorder and Douglas J. Strange
What other publications do you guys receive and use regularly?
Adriana Gutierrez
Soon to be reborn as "The Herb Lady"
Birmingham, AL
>Pls. email me the website of this magazine so I can subscribe to it.
| Message 6
Subject: Re:Taylor Water Stoves
From: REMARCINC 'at' aol.com
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 07:52:45 EDT
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I have used a Taylor for 16 years and absolutely love it- because the wood is
surrounded by a huge water tank the time, effort, and wood for filling it is
minimal. In NH we filled the stove with wood once a day until real winter-
then twice. It is self regulating. Speaking about sleeping through the
night-it also deas great on green logs, they last all night and then some. A
real bonus is the instantaneous, unlimited hot water. There are models for
coal and corn. They have several good websites if anyone is interested- and
our master distributor has used reconditioned units at half price.
Kricket Smith-Gary
remarc inc.,Yankee Site Services
1692 Waddy Rd
Lawrenceburg, KY 40342
502-839-4425
502-839-9655 fax
remarcinc 'at' AOL.COM
http://www.remarcinc.com
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I have used a
Taylor for 16 years and absolutely love it- because the wood is
surrounded by a huge water tank the time, effort, and wood for filling it is
minimal. In NH we filled the stove with wood once a day until real winter-
then twice. It is self regulating. Speaking about sleeping through the
night-it also deas great on green logs, they last all night and then some. A
real bonus is the instantaneous, unlimited hot water. There are models for
coal and corn. They have several good websites if anyone is interested- and
our master distributor has used reconditioned units at half price.
Kricket Smith-Gary
remarc inc.,Yankee Site Services
1692 Waddy Rd
Lawrenceburg, KY 40342
502-839-4425
502-839-9655 fax
remarcinc 'at' AOL.COM
http://www.remarcinc.com
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| Message 7
Subject: Re: Magazines and other recommended references:
From: "bennett"
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:04:52 -0400
>Practical Hydroponics and Greenhouses:
Wow! This magazine is expensive! Is it a big thick magazine? Is the
technical advise geared to non-pros and pros as well? Tell me more about
the magazine itself please.
Donna
| Message 8
Subject: Re: Tilapia growth
From: "KenHale"
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 07:09:28 -0500
Congrats Steve - you have found your "niche" in the market. Now work to
become the very best and word of mouth will take care of the rest. Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: "STEVE SPRING"
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: Tilapia growth
> WELL DEVON,
>
> If I didn't comment on this , I think the list would be ashamed of me!
>
> I've been growing, or trying to grow, the Mike Sipe strain of Tilapia for
> almost 18 months now and I doubt if If I have a single fish that is over
3/4
> lb. And they all have, as one of our fellow subscribers so eloquently put
> it, have a fecal taste to them. "SELL THEM, I WOULDN'T GIVE THEM AWAY!!"
>
> I'm leaning more and more toward the tropical fish side of this business.
I
> have a couple of "Pet Stores" that have already told me they will pay
> $2.00/fish for small lemon yellows and will pay much more for "Electric
> Blues". These fish will grow out in about a year
about the same as a
> Tilapia (so they say
.I've yet to see it.) I can't make $2.00/fish for
a
> Tilapia. (And I don't have to fillet, process or educate the consumer with
a
> beautiful tropical fish.)
>
> These are just my thoughts. I'm very, very pleased that you are having
> success. Don't wan't to "rain on your parade", but me personally, I've had
> about all of the disappointments that I can stand with Tilapia.
>
> And, fellow subscribers, please don't tell me that I need to purge the
fish.
> I have purged them for 4 days and then I have purged them for almost 6
days.
> I have changed 1/3 of their water 2X/day and run a filter during this
> process and they still taste like sh
.! I'm now trying an experiment. I'm
> purging them again in my pond. I will let them purge in a green water
> environment for a couple of weeks and then try them again. If they still
> taste bad after this, then I just don't know. My other fish: catfish,
perch
> and bluegills are just fine when coming out of the pond.
>
> I just think this batch has just eaten each others fecal discharges to the
> point where they are beyond repair.
>
> Later
."Don't want to dwell on this anymore"
Steve
>
| Message 9
Subject: Re: Magazines and other recommended references:
From: "Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta"
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 07:42:58 -0500
Practical Hydroponics and Greenhouses is fairly lengthy, with small
print and lots of photos. It is expensive and well worth it - it goes
into a lot of depth and has a couple of real hard core pros on its
writing staff. They are very generous with their Q & A - answers tend
to run for half a page or more. Good for pros and wanna-bes. I
suspect if you ask them for a trial copy they will send you one, I
think that's how I got started and overcame my sticker shock.
Adriana
> Wow! This magazine is expensive! Is it a big thick magazine? Is
the
> technical advise geared to non-pros and pros as well? Tell me more
about
> the magazine itself please.
| Message 10
Subject: Re: Re:Taylor Water Stoves
From: "bennett"
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:18:43 -0400
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Could you post some of the URLs for their websites?
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From: REMARCINC 'at' aol.com
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Thursday, May 17, 2001 7:53 AM
Subject: Re:Taylor Water Stoves
=20
=20
I have used a Taylor for 16 years and absolutely love it- because =
the wood is=20
surrounded by a huge water tank the time, effort, and wood for =
filling it is=20
minimal. In NH we filled the stove with wood once a day until real =
winter-=20
then twice. It is self regulating. Speaking about sleeping through =
the=20
night-it also deas great on green logs, they last all night and then =
some. A=20
real bonus is the instantaneous, unlimited hot water. There are =
models for=20
coal and corn. They have several good websites if anyone is =
interested- and=20
our master distributor has used reconditioned units at half price.=20
=20
Kricket Smith-Gary=20
remarc inc.,Yankee Site Services=20
1692 Waddy Rd=20
Lawrenceburg, KY 40342=20
502-839-4425=20
502-839-9655 fax=20
remarcinc 'at' AOL.COM=20
http://www.remarcinc.com=20
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REMARCINC 'at' aol.com =
<REMARCINC 'at' aol.com>
To: =
aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com =
<aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com>
=
Date:=20
Thursday, May 17, 2001 7:53 AM
Subject: Re:Taylor =
Water=20
Stoves
I have used a Taylor for =
16 years and=20
absolutely love it- because the wood is
surrounded by a huge =
water tank=20
the time, effort, and wood for filling it is
minimal. In =
NH we=20
filled the stove with wood once a day until real winter-
then =
twice.=20
It is self regulating. Speaking about sleeping through =
the=20
night-it also deas great on green logs, they last all night and =
then=20
some. A
real bonus is the instantaneous, unlimited hot =
water.=20
There are models for
coal and corn. They have =
several good=20
websites if anyone is interested- and
our master distributor has =
used=20
reconditioned units at half price.
Kricket Smith-Gary =
remarc=20
inc.,Yankee Site Services
1692 Waddy Rd
Lawrenceburg, KY =
40342=20
502-839-4425
502-839-9655 fax
remarcinc 'at' AOL.COM=20
http://www.remarcinc.com =
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| Message 11
Subject: Re: Tilapia growth
From: "Devon Williams"
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:27:34 -0400
Steve,
Sorry to rub salt in your wounds, I didn't mean to offend
.I have read all
of your posts about difficulties you are having, so I know how frustrated
you are. Keep in mind, none of my fish are anywhere near marketable size,
so lots could happen between now and then. I just haven't seen this type of
growth before
.Hope the ornamentals thing works for you
.I wouldn't mind
getting into that since I will not be selling my tilapia for food (I didn't
want to get into the whole health inspection thing). Looks like I will
probably be eating most of what I harvest from my system.
Devon
>From: "STEVE SPRING"
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: Tilapia growth
>Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 00:17:08 -0500
>
>WELL DEVON,
>
>If I didn't comment on this , I think the list would be ashamed of me!
>
>I've been growing, or trying to grow, the Mike Sipe strain of Tilapia for
>almost 18 months now and I doubt if If I have a single fish that is over
>3/4
>lb. And they all have, as one of our fellow subscribers so eloquently put
>it, have a fecal taste to them. "SELL THEM, I WOULDN'T GIVE THEM AWAY!!"
>
>I'm leaning more and more toward the tropical fish side of this business. I
>have a couple of "Pet Stores" that have already told me they will pay
>$2.00/fish for small lemon yellows and will pay much more for "Electric
>Blues". These fish will grow out in about a year
about the same as a
>Tilapia (so they say
.I've yet to see it.) I can't make $2.00/fish for a
>Tilapia. (And I don't have to fillet, process or educate the consumer with
>a
>beautiful tropical fish.)
>
>These are just my thoughts. I'm very, very pleased that you are having
>success. Don't wan't to "rain on your parade", but me personally, I've had
>about all of the disappointments that I can stand with Tilapia.
>
>And, fellow subscribers, please don't tell me that I need to purge the
>fish.
>I have purged them for 4 days and then I have purged them for almost 6
>days.
>I have changed 1/3 of their water 2X/day and run a filter during this
>process and they still taste like sh
.! I'm now trying an experiment. I'm
>purging them again in my pond. I will let them purge in a green water
>environment for a couple of weeks and then try them again. If they still
>taste bad after this, then I just don't know. My other fish: catfish, perch
>and bluegills are just fine when coming out of the pond.
>
>I just think this batch has just eaten each others fecal discharges to the
>point where they are beyond repair.
>
>Later
."Don't want to dwell on this anymore"
Steve
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Devon Williams"
>To:
>Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:26 AM
>Subject: Tilapia growth
>
>
>Hi all.
>
>I just wanted to comment on the phenomenal growth of my Tilapia. I have
>raised tropical fish for many years, but I have never seen this type of
>growth with typical ornamentals
.even Oscars! Since approximately March
>30th, 2001, the majority of my fish have basically doubled in size, from an
>average size of about 2.5", to between 4.5 and 5"! This really surprises
>me, especially because I had such a high Ammonia and Nitrite reading for
>the
>first two+ weeks they were in the system
.you've gotta love resilient
>fish.>
>That's all, I just wanted to comment.
>
>Devon Williams
>Beer Belly Brothers Brewing
>Watkinsville, GA
>
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| Message 12
Subject: Re: A cheap greenhouse design-aquaponic orchids
From: "Meir Leshem"
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 23:16:29 +0200
Can any one comment on aquaponic orchids combined with tropical fish
farming?
meirl
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----- Original Message -----
From: billevans
To:
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 7:52 AM
Subject: RE: A cheap greenhouse design
> DOnt know what's growin in the g/house-some plants can tolerate lower
light
> levels( anyone doin aquaponic orchids?)- nor how much air exchange. I was
> thinking of the g/house paints that diminish the light some to keep
things
> cool in summer heat and high sun intensity.
>
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> As things look now, I'd be reticent to paint the 6 mil due to it's lowered
> light transmission.
>
>
| Message 13
Subject: Re: Tilapia growth
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 23:34:58 -0500
Hi Devon,
I'm so pleased to see a polite response from you. Believe it or not, this
has been bothering me all day.
I absolutely wish you nothing but the best. I'm very pleased that you are
having good success and I wish you continuing success.
I've just come back from "in the back" and did another major water dump. I
built another filter (actually a Bruce Schreiber design)
.a bedsheet strung
between 2 2x4's and a pump discharging into them
not to mention the
"butterfly" net that I have set up to catch the little turds
.fecal matter
as it was eloquently put.
GOD, I'm about to run out of patience with these damned Tilapia
.these are
the nastiest fish I have ever seen.
I'm still looking forward to getting those in the cages out of the pond in a
couple of weeks. That will be the deciding factor in my Tilapia farming.
But Devon, sincerely, good luck
.Take care Pal
.Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Devon Williams"
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: Tilapia growth
Steve,
Sorry to rub salt in your wounds, I didn't mean to offend
.I have read all
of your posts about difficulties you are having, so I know how frustrated
you are. Keep in mind, none of my fish are anywhere near marketable size,
so lots could happen between now and then. I just haven't seen this type of
growth before
.Hope the ornamentals thing works for you
.I wouldn't mind
getting into that since I will not be selling my tilapia for food (I didn't
want to get into the whole health inspection thing). Looks like I will
probably be eating most of what I harvest from my system.
Devon
>From: "STEVE SPRING"
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: Tilapia growth
>Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 00:17:08 -0500
>
>WELL DEVON,
>
>If I didn't comment on this , I think the list would be ashamed of me!
>
>I've been growing, or trying to grow, the Mike Sipe strain of Tilapia for
>almost 18 months now and I doubt if If I have a single fish that is over
>3/4
>lb. And they all have, as one of our fellow subscribers so eloquently put
>it, have a fecal taste to them. "SELL THEM, I WOULDN'T GIVE THEM AWAY!!"
>
>I'm leaning more and more toward the tropical fish side of this business. I
>have a couple of "Pet Stores" that have already told me they will pay
>$2.00/fish for small lemon yellows and will pay much more for "Electric
>Blues". These fish will grow out in about a year
about the same as a
>Tilapia (so they say
.I've yet to see it.) I can't make $2.00/fish for a
>Tilapia. (And I don't have to fillet, process or educate the consumer with
>a
>beautiful tropical fish.)
>
>These are just my thoughts. I'm very, very pleased that you are having
>success. Don't wan't to "rain on your parade", but me personally, I've had
>about all of the disappointments that I can stand with Tilapia.
>
>And, fellow subscribers, please don't tell me that I need to purge the
>fish.
>I have purged them for 4 days and then I have purged them for almost 6
>days.
>I have changed 1/3 of their water 2X/day and run a filter during this
>process and they still taste like sh
.! I'm now trying an experiment. I'm
>purging them again in my pond. I will let them purge in a green water
>environment for a couple of weeks and then try them again. If they still
>taste bad after this, then I just don't know. My other fish: catfish, perch
>and bluegills are just fine when coming out of the pond.
>
>I just think this batch has just eaten each others fecal discharges to the
>point where they are beyond repair.
>
>Later
."Don't want to dwell on this anymore"
Steve
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Devon Williams"
>To:
>Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:26 AM
>Subject: Tilapia growth
>
>
>Hi all.
>
>I just wanted to comment on the phenomenal growth of my Tilapia. I have
>raised tropical fish for many years, but I have never seen this type of
>growth with typical ornamentals
.even Oscars! Since approximately March
>30th, 2001, the majority of my fish have basically doubled in size, from an
>average size of about 2.5", to between 4.5 and 5"! This really surprises
>me, especially because I had such a high Ammonia and Nitrite reading for
>the
>first two+ weeks they were in the system
.you've gotta love resilient
>fish.>
>That's all, I just wanted to comment.
>
>Devon Williams
>Beer Belly Brothers Brewing
>Watkinsville, GA
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| Message 14
Subject: Re: Tilapia growth
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 23:47:56 -0500
Thanks Ken,
I would just hate to lose my input and output from Paula's aquaponic list.
(As someone said the other day, I kind of look to this list as family.)
But, I don't remember reading anywhere that this list was limited to Tilapia
farming.
Who knows, maybe "Electric Blues & Lemon Yellows" will grow great lettuce
and herbs!!!
Take care, my friend
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "KenHale"
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 7:09 AM
Subject: Re: Tilapia growth
Congrats Steve - you have found your "niche" in the market. Now work to
become the very best and word of mouth will take care of the rest. Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: "STEVE SPRING"
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: Tilapia growth
> WELL DEVON,
>
> If I didn't comment on this , I think the list would be ashamed of me!
>
> I've been growing, or trying to grow, the Mike Sipe strain of Tilapia for
> almost 18 months now and I doubt if If I have a single fish that is over
3/4
> lb. And they all have, as one of our fellow subscribers so eloquently put
> it, have a fecal taste to them. "SELL THEM, I WOULDN'T GIVE THEM AWAY!!"
>
> I'm leaning more and more toward the tropical fish side of this business.
I
> have a couple of "Pet Stores" that have already told me they will pay
> $2.00/fish for small lemon yellows and will pay much more for "Electric
> Blues". These fish will grow out in about a year
about the same as a
> Tilapia (so they say
.I've yet to see it.) I can't make $2.00/fish for
a
> Tilapia. (And I don't have to fillet, process or educate the consumer with
a
> beautiful tropical fish.)
>
> These are just my thoughts. I'm very, very pleased that you are having
> success. Don't wan't to "rain on your parade", but me personally, I've had
> about all of the disappointments that I can stand with Tilapia.
>
> And, fellow subscribers, please don't tell me that I need to purge the
fish.
> I have purged them for 4 days and then I have purged them for almost 6
days.
> I have changed 1/3 of their water 2X/day and run a filter during this
> process and they still taste like sh
.! I'm now trying an experiment. I'm
> purging them again in my pond. I will let them purge in a green water
> environment for a couple of weeks and then try them again. If they still
> taste bad after this, then I just don't know. My other fish: catfish,
perch
> and bluegills are just fine when coming out of the pond.
>
> I just think this batch has just eaten each others fecal discharges to the
> point where they are beyond repair.
>
> Later
."Don't want to dwell on this anymore"
Steve
>
| Message 15
Subject: Re: Magazines and other recommended references:
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 23:57:10 -0500
Hi Adrianna,
Thanks for the info. I was having a hard time finding these guys.
By the way, "not in no way stepping on your toes", but do you remember you
were not actually keen on the "EARTH BOX". I think you said that there were
cheaper ways to grow, etc. I totally agree with you about there must be
cheaper ways to produce produce
.how about that for a "double" word
.Must
be a name for that somewhere.
Anyway, I have done a small experiment. I put most of my tomatoes in
"earthboxes" yet, kept some in pots. The performance of the tomatoes in the
earthboxes have almost tripled the performance of the tomatoes in
conventional pots and conventional planting. Yes, the "earthboxes" are
expensive to buy, but if you, or someone, doesn't have the time to worry
about them, they are a great way to go
I think. (But, who am I
.I am
a very, very basic beginner.)
Thanks again
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adriana Gutierrez & Dennis LaGatta"
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 2:42 AM
Subject: Magazines and other recommended references:
Steve,
Here is the URL for Practical Hydroponics and Greenhouses. While
we're on the subject, I think we should ask others for their
recommended references, as we have anumber of newcomers on the list,
some of whom have yet to show themselves :>) and these references are
essential tools. In addition to PH&G I would also recommend:
Practical Hydroponics and Greenhouses:
http://www.hydroponics.com.au/current_issue.html
Growing Edge http://www.growingedge.com/
GM Pro (a freebie trade magazine)
Growing & Sellign Fresh Cut Herbs - by Sandie Shores, a superb
comprehensive guide to all aspects of growing and selling. Excellent
coverage on greenhouse selection issues, pest control, packaging, etc,
etc. I would get this book even if I only planned to grow leafy
greens; most everything in the book is applicable and useful for hydro
or aquaponic growers.
Hydroponic Crop Production - Lon Dalton and Rob Smith - has extensive
information on many indivdual greenhouse crops which can be grown in
hydro or aquaponic systems
Home Aquaculture - A Guide to Backyard Fish Farming by Steven D. Van
Gorder and Douglas J. Strange
What other publications do you guys receive and use regularly?
Adriana Gutierrez
Soon to be reborn as "The Herb Lady"
Birmingham, AL
>Pls. email me the website of this magazine so I can subscribe to it.
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