Aquaponics Digest - Thu 05/24/01



Message   1: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Wed 05/23/01
             from DAVEINBHAM 'at' aol.com

Message   2: Floating Beds
.again
             from "Atlas Business Services" 

Message   3: Re: Floating Beds
.again
             from "gutierrez-lagatta" 

Message   4: Re: Floating Beds
.again
             from LC543119 'at' aol.com

Message   5: Sonic Bloom
             from Michael Olson 

Message   6: Re: Floating Beds
.again
             from wylie bass 

Message   7: Re: Intro/Background was: "Giving Up!"
             from Peggy & Emmett 

Message   8: Re: Intro/Background and a question
             from Bill Patrick 

Message   9: Re: Intro/Background was: "Giving Up!"
             from Bill Patrick 

Message  10: Re: Floating Beds
.again
             from Jim Joyner 

Message  11: Re: "Giving Up!"
             from "STEVE SPRING" 

Message  12: Re: "Giving Up!"
             from "STEVE SPRING" 

Message  13: Re: "Giving Up!"
             from "STEVE SPRING" 

Message  14: Re: Intro/Background was: "Giving Up!"
             from "STEVE SPRING" 

Message  15: New to Group
             from "Arlos" 

Message  16: removal
             from van jones 

Message  17: Reply to - Re: New to Group
             from "David Atkinson" 

| Message 1  

Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Wed 05/23/01
From:    DAVEINBHAM 'at' aol.com
Date:    Thu, 24 May 2001 13:55:17 EDT

In a message dated 5/23/01 11:08:17 PM Central Standard Time, 
aquaponics-digest-request 'at' townsqr.com writes:

<< ---- ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------'
 Subject: Scams, hoaxes, etc.
 From:    marc 'at' aculink.net
 Date:    Wed, 23 May 2001 18:18:58 -0600
 
 An interesting and informative site to browse.
 
 http://HoaxBusters.ciac.org/ >>
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*************
And speaking of hoaxes, does anyone on this list know anything about 
Sonic Bloom ?     http://www.relfe.com/sonic_bloom.html
They have apparently been around for several years. If their claims of 50% to 
500% growth ate true, I would think every farmer in America would now have 
their equipment, or if their claims are fradulent some government agency 
would have put them out of business before now.
Hey, gang, anyone had any first hand experience with this syuff ? 
OK, then, anyone have any second hand experience ? 
 Anyone heard any juicy rumors ?

Kindest regards,
Dave

| Message 2  

Subject: Floating Beds
.again
From:    "Atlas Business Services" 
Date:    Thu, 24 May 2001 14:45:19 -0600

Hello all,

 There did not seem to be any answers to my floating bed query.
So, I will try one more time.

Does anyone on the list have experience with floating beds in their
aqauponics or hydroponics systems.
I would like to know which plants benefit the most from this constant access
to water. (IE: which plants do best in floating beds)
Strawberries and lettuce seem to be good candidates for floating beds, what
other types of plants would prosper ? (Hanging cucumbers, squash, tomatoes
?)

Any information is appreciated.
Thank you
Chris
Founder - Atlas Growing Systems

| Message 3  

Subject: Re: Floating Beds
.again
From:    "gutierrez-lagatta" 
Date:    Thu, 24 May 2001 15:31:38 -0500

Yes,
Jim Rakocy the head of the Virgin Islands Extension service is the
guru of floating beds.  Check out his web site at
http://rps.uvi.edu/AES/aes_home.html.  (Jim, we haven't heard a peep,
or is it a "bubble" since you're a fish guy, out of you in forever
.)
>  There did not seem to be any answers to my floating bed query.
> Does anyone on the list have experience with floating beds in their
> aqauponics or hydroponics systems.

| Message 4  

Subject: Re: Floating Beds
.again
From:    LC543119 'at' aol.com
Date:    Thu, 24 May 2001 16:37:24 EDT

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Most of the systems I have installed around the world have been floating ,you 
can give me a call at 407 671-5075   Gordon Creaser

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Most of the systems I have installed around
the world have been floating ,you 

can give me a call at 407 671-5075   Gordon Creaser
--part1_26.15d7ef5f.283ecb04_boundary-- | Message 5 Subject: Sonic Bloom From: Michael Olson Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:53:10 -0700 (PDT) I first heard about SB a couple summers ago. There was an article in the Minneapolis newspaper that intrigued me. I let it drop until. .Adrianna sent the link a few weeks ago about electrical/magnetic fields which induce plant prosperity. In the article, they mentioned plants reaction to sound -- and mentioned Sonic Bloom by name. I decided to look for a website -- and I found it at http://www.sonicbloom.com After refamiliarizing myself with the technology and their claims (which you can do on the website), I purchased the medium system to use in a greenhouse for my daylilies. I have been using it for a couple weeks now -- not long enough to evaluate (the info says it will take 5-7 weeks to see appreciable results. I am hopeful, but I have many hurdles (that may affect the ability to evaluate SB) to overcome to get my plants back to health. I will attempt to report the results when I have given it a chance to effect change. -Mike __________________________________________________ | Message 6 Subject: Re: Floating Beds .again From: wylie bass Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:55:34 -0500 Gordon, PUt your info on the page we would like to see it. Wylie LC543119 'at' aol.com wrote: > Most of the systems I have installed around the world have been > floating ,you > can give me a call at 407 671-5075 Gordon Creaser | Message 7 Subject: Re: Intro/Background was: "Giving Up!" From: Peggy & Emmett Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 19:12:23 -0400 At 08:45 PM 5/23/2001 -0400, Bill Patrick wrote: >Ada, I live on Merritt Is. Fla. and work at "The >Cape" If you ever get to the Tampa area let me know .a visiting fireman is always welcome. .Emmett | Message 8 Subject: Re: Intro/Background and a question From: Bill Patrick Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 20:08:20 -0400 Nice webpage Ada, thanks for taking the time to get it started. Now come on everybody don't be "stick in the muds". Go ahead and have a little bio posted and link to your web page if you have one (I don't to pick on anyone but their initials are Devon). Over the past year guys really haven't been shy about where you live, what you do for regular jobs or what your interests in aquaponics are. Also any suppliers on the list that support us, this would make a nice place to have links to your pages or other methods of contact available to us. Ada Erickson wrote: > > Thanks Bill. > > The Intro page is live: > > www.primadonnasrevenge.com/aquaponics/ > > Feel free to send me your own info from there if you don't want to post > directly to the list. Suggestions always welcome. > > If you are curious, the main domain is still under construction. > > Here is my tilapia question: > > What barriers/obstacles have you encountered when taking your produce or > tilapias to market? What advice can you offer to help a "newbie" overcome > those obstacles > Ada I have yet to grow any fish, but I do have two data points in my extensive market research so far. I was at a restaurant that served tilapia and I asked the owner if she would buy any fish from me if I grew them. She said "No!". She buys all her restaurant supplies from a single distributor. Oh well. I also have a lady that comes and fishes in my pond and catches nice big cat fish out of it. I told her about my idea also and she said I could $8.00 - $9.00 a pound for bream but only a couple of pounds for tilapia. I'm going to go ahead and try tilapia first, just based on STEVE SPRING'S recommendations, they seem easy to grow ;-) Bill | Message 9 Subject: Re: Intro/Background was: "Giving Up!" From: Bill Patrick Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 20:11:23 -0400 Thanks Emmett, I'll take you up on that. Looks like the west coast may be the best place for me to buy my fry. I'll plan on looking you up when I come over. Bill Peggy & Emmett wrote: > > At 08:45 PM 5/23/2001 -0400, Bill Patrick wrote: > >Ada, > I live on Merritt Is. Fla. and work at "The > >Cape" > > If you ever get to the Tampa area let me know .a visiting fireman is > always welcome. .Emmett | Message 10 Subject: Re: Floating Beds .again From: Jim Joyner Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 20:09:03 -0500 At 04:37 PM 5/24/01 -0400, you wrote:
Most of the systems I have installed around the world have been floating ,you
can give me a call at 407 671-5075   Gordon Creaser

Say Gordon, any chance you might commit some your knowledge to this list. Seems a lot more efficient and a lot less expensive than all of us calling you.

Thanks,

Jim
| Message 11 Subject: Re: "Giving Up!" From: "STEVE SPRING" Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 20:35:58 -0500 Hi Paula, Well. Gee Whiz, I don't know why you don't have all of this information available to you at your fingertips. I thought all of us in this business were independently wealthy with "state of the art" computer systems, etc. etc. My configuration (Again, Gee Whiz (seriously) I wish you guys had a fax machine I can't believe that you don't.) is 2-800-gal tanks separated by a clarifier.I run a small continuous flow between the two tanks and a major flow to the 5 grow beds. The grow beds are apprx. (1) 3x6, (4) 3x4 which is a total growing area of apprx. 54 sq. ft. I know that this is a small growing area, but it is all that I have. My 800-gal tanks are circular. I'm not sure right now what type of pumps I use. I just truly believe that I had too many fish in the system and that they were breeding themselves within the system. But, I do basically use the S&S System. Thanks Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "S & S Aqua Farm" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 7:04 AM Subject: Re: "Giving Up!" At 10:09 PM 05/22/2001 -0500, Steve wrote: > >I was told when I initially started this business that Tilapia could be >grown at a rate of 1/2 lb Tilapia per gal of water and that was what I was >trying to attain. This is probably attainable if you have a TREMENDOUS >filtration system and a pure O2 input. My 5 growbeds were obviously >inadequate to handle this quantity of fish. I know that I have blasted Mike >Sipe's fish in the past. This is personal. Has nothing to do with his fish. >The original breeders that I got from him were absolutely phenomenal and >produced, obviously, maximum quantities of offspring. > >I believe, in hindsight, that this was ultimately the problem. I just had >too many fish for my system to handle. The offspring started breeding and >then it was a catastrophic endless cycle of problems. Steve - I know I probably shouldn't have to ask this question, as you've probably stated before what your configuration is and I should have it in my files. (Between my mother's illness and working with my son's choral group that leaves for China next week, I've been distracted.) Did you set up your grow beds as a filtration system for your breeders' tank? Is your 800 gallon tank (below) circular, and what type of pump and placement are you using? It seems that if you have that type of reproduction rate that the tank/pump configuration lends itself to dormant areas, which would contribute to your reproduction rate and water quality problems. Paula S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124 Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/ | Message 12 Subject: Re: "Giving Up!" From: "STEVE SPRING" Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:02:24 -0500 Hi Ada, I'm going to venture forth in this. I have another couple of posts to read, but I would like to respond immediately to yours The S&S story is real. Paula is very real. She has been an immense help to me .not just with the system, but with research, friendship, etc. I have maybe made some unjust criticism about Tilapia. It is just that mine didn't work out well. All I can say, Ada, is just "go for it". Make your mistakes we will be here for you. Luv .Steve :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ada Erickson" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 2:54 PM Subject: Re: "Giving Up!" Steve- Thanks for sharing/clarifying. I am a new person on the list, and my mom and I are so inspired by S&S's story, we are venturing soon. Your story has helped me immensely in my gathering of tilapia fact/wisdom. Thanks, Ada P.S. For all of you folks on the board, if you wouldn't mind, I would love to have a brief intro/background from each of you. If it is not already available, I would also be glad to make an intro page on my website for future "newbies". >From: "STEVE SPRING" >Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com >To: >Subject: "Giving Up!" >Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 22:09:13 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [207.18.224.3] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBCD47535006940043256CF12E00304870; Tue May 22 20:10:49 2001 >Received: from out3.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (unverified [169.207.3.79]) by >compaqwww.townsqr.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.2.4) with ESMTP id > for ; Tue, 22 >May 2001 22:02:50 -0500 >Received: from pop3.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (pop3.nwbl.wi.voyager.net >[169.207.1.83])by out3.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id >f4N2xS609743for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 21:59:28 -0500 >(CDT) >Received: from Pcareplus (d77.as10.nwbl1.wi.voyager.net [169.207.87.143])by >pop3.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f4N3AUS30102for >; Tue, 22 May 2001 22:10:30 -0500 (CDT) >From snsaquasys 'at' townsqr.com Tue May 22 20:11:13 2001 >Message-ID: <002501c0e335$bf47cee0$8f57cfa9 'at' Pcareplus> >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 >Sender: aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com > >Hi Bruce, > >Didn't want to burden Paula's list anymore with this, but I wanted to clear >up a couple of things. "Giving up" is not in my vocabulary. I have no >desire >to give up. I just want to change directions > >My relationship with Tilapia has been very labor intensive, very costly and >non-rewarding. I have no desire to give up on my aquaponics venture, I just >want to go into something different. Hey, I love these little >"lemon-yellows". My wife loves her little "fat fish". I just loved my >initial Tilapia breeders. I nicknamed them the "Chihuahuas". (They were >Mike >Sipe's "Chocolates") They would just wiggle like crazy whenever they saw >me. >Come to the surface and eat right out of my hand. BUT, THEY ARE DEAD! >(Makes >me sad to think about them.) > >I was told when I initially started this business that Tilapia could be >grown at a rate of 1/2 lb Tilapia per gal of water and that was what I was >trying to attain. This is probably attainable if you have a TREMENDOUS >filtration system and a pure O2 input. My 5 growbeds were obviously >inadequate to handle this quantity of fish. I know that I have blasted Mike >Sipe's fish in the past. This is personal. Has nothing to do with his fish. >The original breeders that I got from him were absolutely phenomenal and >produced, obviously, maximum quantities of offspring. > >I believe, in hindsight, that this was ultimately the problem. I just had >too many fish for my system to handle. The offspring started breeding and >then it was a catastrophic endless cycle of problems. > >After my loss of several hundred fish, I now have +/- 100 fish in my 800 >gal >tank and the water clarity is unbelievable. You can see the "theoretical" >dime at the bottom of the tank. > >I'm really posting this message to the "newbies" on the list. Beware of >exaggerated claims. What do they say, "If it sounds too good to be true, it >probably is."? > >I believe if I had stuck to maybe 1/4 lb fish/gal of water, I would have >been o.k. But, what do you do when you have hundreds of babies a week .do >you just kill them? > >Just food for thought. > >Steve > > | Message 13 Subject: Re: "Giving Up!" From: "STEVE SPRING" Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:07:05 -0500 Hi Pablo, That was very sweet!! Thank you and yes, they were "special". Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "pablo obiaga" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 1:16 PM Subject: Re: "Giving Up!" At 22:09 22/05/01 -0500, you wrote: Hi Steve: I'm so sorry for your loss. It's rather hard when you have developed a relationship whith what you are doing "I just loved my initial Tilapia breeders. I nicknamed them the "Chihuahuas". (They were Mike Sipe's "Chocolates") They would just wiggle like crazy whenever they saw me. Come to the surface and eat right out of my hand." There are lots of useful data on the list "technical numbers", but what i just quoted from you is what turns to be "part of the real thing" every day, even when at first you don't now what it might become: "the other part", or not. As a "newbie" I asure you I will not forget you experience. Thank you for posting feellings and experiences of the other part:"The Dark Side of Acuaponics" I'll stick to your advice, As I heard my Italian say (not wright), "Chi va piano va lontano" (Who goes slow . goes far) Arriba! Pablo >After my loss of several hundred fish, I now have +/- 100 fish in my 800 gal >tank and the water clarity is unbelievable. You can see the "theoretical" >dime at the bottom of the tank. > >I'm really posting this message to the "newbies" on the list. Beware of >exaggerated claims. What do they say, "If it sounds too good to be true, it >probably is."? > >I believe if I had stuck to maybe 1/4 lb fish/gal of water, I would have >been o.k. But, what do you do when you have hundreds of babies a week .do >you just kill them? > >Just food for thought. > >Steve > > > | Message 14 Subject: Re: Intro/Background was: "Giving Up!" From: "STEVE SPRING" Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:28:59 -0500 WOW! Here I go again. Seems as if this "Ada" is a very nice person .albeit, with an unusual request. But, here comes Bill Patrick, "rocket scientist" who doesn't even have a good command of English to blast her. And he says, If I bore you, "TOO BAD"!! (How does that go Ted .Oy Vey!!??) By the way Bill, "Socially Insensitive" is trademarked to me. Find your own "handle". I just love the way I make "sparks" fly. Don't you just hate me?? Luv ya anyway By the way, Bruce Schreiber and I are going to to Milwauke Aquarium Society meeting tomorrow night .I'm really looking forward to incorporating the tropicals into the aquaponic system We'll see how this works. Keep ya posted if interested. Later Ya'll Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Patrick" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 7:45 PM Subject: Intro/Background was: "Giving Up!" Ada, I'm Bill Patrick and I've been a list member for about a year (6/11/00 will mark the anniversary). I've been interested in aquaculture for as long as I can remember, but have yet to grow any fish and have my first inadvertent fish kill. I live on Merritt Is. Fla. and work at "The Cape" as an engineer on Boeing's new Delta IV rocket. My only step towards my aquaculture project is the purchase of the tank (as documented 'at' http://patrick.zb.net/aqua ). My next step is the construction of the greenhouse, but work and school has been interfering with what is really important, growing fish and plants. But because I'm really cheap and I spent the big bucks on the tank (thanks Tedus Aquaponius!) I will make it happen (one day ;-) ). I too have been curious about our other list members also and over the past year have been able to learn/figure out a little bit about our regular posters, but it would be nice to something a little more organized such as what you have asked for and links to home pages if they exist, so I decided to reply. Hope I didn't bore anybody, but if I did, too bad, you could have deleted based on the changed subject title. Guess I'm just a little "Socially Insensitive" too. Bill If god had meant us to be vegetarians, he wouldn't have made animals out of meat. Ada Erickson wrote: > > > > Thanks, > > Ada > > P.S. For all of you folks on the board, if you wouldn't mind, I would love > to have a brief intro/background from each of you. If it is not already > available, I would also be glad to make an intro page on my website for > future "newbies". > | Message 15 Subject: New to Group From: "Arlos" Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 20:03:53 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C0E48C.A80C32E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable G'day everyone, I'm a mechanical engineer on the central California coast (Monterey = Bay). I design, build and install water treatment and processing = equipment. I have a passion for aquaculture and aquaponics. I've been = working to develop a small micro farm that can raise profitable aquatic = species and plants in reclaimed waste water. The fact that aquaponics = can be maintained primarily in a closed loop system offers a greater = range of application to locales that have limited natural resources is = pretty darn intriguing. I look forward to a long association with this = group. Warm Regards, Arlos Anderson Blue Lotus Aquatics Aptos, CA ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C0E48C.A80C32E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
G'day everyone,
 
I'm a mechanical engineer on the central California = coast=20 (Monterey Bay). I design, build and install water treatment and = processing=20 equipment. I have a passion for aquaculture and aquaponics. I've been = working to=20 develop a small micro farm that can raise profitable  aquatic = species and=20 plants in reclaimed waste water. The fact that aquaponics can be = maintained=20 primarily in a closed loop system offers a greater range of application = to=20 locales that have limited natural resources is pretty darn intriguing. I = look=20 forward to a long association with this group.
 
Warm Regards,
 
Arlos Anderson
Blue Lotus Aquatics
Aptos, CA
------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C0E48C.A80C32E0-- | Message 16 Subject: removal From: van jones Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:34:42 -0500 Please remove my ironhorse 'at' arkansas.net e-mail address and add vanjones215 'at' hotmail.com. Thank You, Sincerely, Van Jones | Message 17 Subject: Reply to - Re: New to Group From: "David Atkinson" Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 00:01:23 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C0E4AD.D61EED00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Welcome Arlos, David Atkinson (JAMAICA W.I.) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Arlos=20 To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 11:03 PM Subject: New to Group G'day everyone, I'm a mechanical engineer on the central California coast (Monterey = Bay). I design, build and install water treatment and processing = equipment. I have a passion for aquaculture and aquaponics. I've been = working to develop a small micro farm that can raise profitable aquatic = species and plants in reclaimed waste water. The fact that aquaponics = can be maintained primarily in a closed loop system offers a greater = range of application to locales that have limited natural resources is = pretty darn intriguing. I look forward to a long association with this = group. Warm Regards, Arlos Anderson Blue Lotus Aquatics Aptos, CA ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C0E4AD.D61EED00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Welcome Arlos,
 
David Atkinson
(JAMAICA W.I.)
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Arlos
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 = 11:03=20 PM
Subject: New to Group

G'day everyone,
 
I'm a mechanical engineer on the central = California coast=20 (Monterey Bay). I design, build and install water treatment and = processing=20 equipment. I have a passion for aquaculture and aquaponics. I've been = working=20 to develop a small micro farm that can raise profitable  aquatic = species=20 and plants in reclaimed waste water. The fact that aquaponics can be=20 maintained primarily in a closed loop system offers a greater range of = application to locales that have limited natural resources is pretty = darn=20 intriguing. I look forward to a long association with this = group.
 
Warm Regards,
 
Arlos Anderson
Blue Lotus Aquatics
Aptos, CA
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