Aquaponics Digest - Thu 05/24/01
Message 1: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Wed 05/23/01
from DAVEINBHAM 'at' aol.com
Message 2: Floating Beds
.again
from "Atlas Business Services"
Message 3: Re: Floating Beds
.again
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 4: Re: Floating Beds
.again
from LC543119 'at' aol.com
Message 5: Sonic Bloom
from Michael Olson
Message 6: Re: Floating Beds
.again
from wylie bass
Message 7: Re: Intro/Background was: "Giving Up!"
from Peggy & Emmett
Message 8: Re: Intro/Background and a question
from Bill Patrick
Message 9: Re: Intro/Background was: "Giving Up!"
from Bill Patrick
Message 10: Re: Floating Beds
.again
from Jim Joyner
Message 11: Re: "Giving Up!"
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 12: Re: "Giving Up!"
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 13: Re: "Giving Up!"
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 14: Re: Intro/Background was: "Giving Up!"
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 15: New to Group
from "Arlos"
Message 16: removal
from van jones
Message 17: Reply to - Re: New to Group
from "David Atkinson"
| Message 1
Subject: Re: Aquaponics Digest - Wed 05/23/01
From: DAVEINBHAM 'at' aol.com
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:55:17 EDT
In a message dated 5/23/01 11:08:17 PM Central Standard Time,
aquaponics-digest-request 'at' townsqr.com writes:
<< ---- ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------'
Subject: Scams, hoaxes, etc.
From: marc 'at' aculink.net
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:18:58 -0600
An interesting and informative site to browse.
http://HoaxBusters.ciac.org/ >>
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*************
And speaking of hoaxes, does anyone on this list know anything about
Sonic Bloom ? http://www.relfe.com/sonic_bloom.html
They have apparently been around for several years. If their claims of 50% to
500% growth ate true, I would think every farmer in America would now have
their equipment, or if their claims are fradulent some government agency
would have put them out of business before now.
Hey, gang, anyone had any first hand experience with this syuff ?
OK, then, anyone have any second hand experience ?
Anyone heard any juicy rumors ?
Kindest regards,
Dave
| Message 2
Subject: Floating Beds
.again
From: "Atlas Business Services"
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 14:45:19 -0600
Hello all,
There did not seem to be any answers to my floating bed query.
So, I will try one more time.
Does anyone on the list have experience with floating beds in their
aqauponics or hydroponics systems.
I would like to know which plants benefit the most from this constant access
to water. (IE: which plants do best in floating beds)
Strawberries and lettuce seem to be good candidates for floating beds, what
other types of plants would prosper ? (Hanging cucumbers, squash, tomatoes
?)
Any information is appreciated.
Thank you
Chris
Founder - Atlas Growing Systems
| Message 3
Subject: Re: Floating Beds
.again
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 15:31:38 -0500
Yes,
Jim Rakocy the head of the Virgin Islands Extension service is the
guru of floating beds. Check out his web site at
http://rps.uvi.edu/AES/aes_home.html. (Jim, we haven't heard a peep,
or is it a "bubble" since you're a fish guy, out of you in forever
.)
> There did not seem to be any answers to my floating bed query.
> Does anyone on the list have experience with floating beds in their
> aqauponics or hydroponics systems.
| Message 4
Subject: Re: Floating Beds
.again
From: LC543119 'at' aol.com
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:37:24 EDT
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Most of the systems I have installed around the world have been floating ,you
can give me a call at 407 671-5075 Gordon Creaser
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Most of the systems I have installed around
the world have been floating ,you
can give me a call at 407 671-5075 Gordon Creaser
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| Message 5
Subject: Sonic Bloom
From: Michael Olson
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:53:10 -0700 (PDT)
I first heard about SB a couple summers ago. There
was an article in the Minneapolis newspaper that
intrigued me. I let it drop until.
.Adrianna sent the link a few weeks ago about
electrical/magnetic fields which induce plant
prosperity. In the article, they mentioned plants
reaction to sound -- and mentioned Sonic Bloom by
name. I decided to look for a website -- and I found
it at http://www.sonicbloom.com
After refamiliarizing myself with the technology and
their claims (which you can do on the website), I
purchased the medium system to use in a greenhouse for
my daylilies. I have been using it for a couple weeks
now -- not long enough to evaluate (the info says it
will take 5-7 weeks to see appreciable results.
I am hopeful, but I have many hurdles (that may affect
the ability to evaluate SB) to overcome to get my
plants back to health. I will attempt to report the
results when I have given it a chance to effect
change.
-Mike
__________________________________________________
| Message 6
Subject: Re: Floating Beds
.again
From: wylie bass
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:55:34 -0500
Gordon,
PUt your info on the page we would like to see it. Wylie
LC543119 'at' aol.com wrote:
> Most of the systems I have installed around the world have been
> floating ,you
> can give me a call at 407 671-5075 Gordon Creaser
| Message 7
Subject: Re: Intro/Background was: "Giving Up!"
From: Peggy & Emmett
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 19:12:23 -0400
At 08:45 PM 5/23/2001 -0400, Bill Patrick wrote:
>Ada,
I live on Merritt Is. Fla. and work at "The
>Cape"
If you ever get to the Tampa area let me know
.a visiting fireman is
always welcome.
.Emmett
| Message 8
Subject: Re: Intro/Background and a question
From: Bill Patrick
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 20:08:20 -0400
Nice webpage Ada, thanks for taking the time to get it started. Now
come on everybody don't be "stick in the muds". Go ahead and have a
little bio posted and link to your web page if you have one (I don't to
pick on anyone but their initials are Devon). Over the past year guys
really haven't been shy about where you live, what you do for regular
jobs or what your interests in aquaponics are. Also any suppliers on
the list that support us, this would make a nice place to have links to
your pages or other methods of contact available to us.
Ada Erickson wrote:
>
> Thanks Bill.
>
> The Intro page is live:
>
> www.primadonnasrevenge.com/aquaponics/
>
> Feel free to send me your own info from there if you don't want to post
> directly to the list. Suggestions always welcome.
>
> If you are curious, the main domain is still under construction.
>
> Here is my tilapia question:
>
> What barriers/obstacles have you encountered when taking your produce or
> tilapias to market? What advice can you offer to help a "newbie" overcome
> those obstacles
>
Ada I have yet to grow any fish, but I do have two data points in my
extensive market research so far. I was at a restaurant that served
tilapia and I asked the owner if she would buy any fish from me if I
grew them. She said "No!". She buys all her restaurant supplies from a
single distributor. Oh well. I also have a lady that comes and fishes
in my pond and catches nice big cat fish out of it. I told her about my
idea also and she said I could $8.00 - $9.00 a pound for bream but only
a couple of pounds for tilapia. I'm going to go ahead and try tilapia
first, just based on STEVE SPRING'S recommendations, they seem easy to
grow ;-)
Bill
| Message 9
Subject: Re: Intro/Background was: "Giving Up!"
From: Bill Patrick
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 20:11:23 -0400
Thanks Emmett, I'll take you up on that. Looks like the west coast may
be the best place for me to buy my fry. I'll plan on looking you up
when I come over.
Bill
Peggy & Emmett wrote:
>
> At 08:45 PM 5/23/2001 -0400, Bill Patrick wrote:
> >Ada,
> I live on Merritt Is. Fla. and work at "The
> >Cape"
>
> If you ever get to the Tampa area let me know
.a visiting fireman is
> always welcome.
.Emmett
| Message 10
Subject: Re: Floating Beds
.again
From: Jim Joyner
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 20:09:03 -0500
At 04:37 PM 5/24/01 -0400, you wrote:
Most of the systems I
have installed around the world have been floating ,you
can give me a call at 407 671-5075 Gordon Creaser
Say Gordon, any chance you might commit some your knowledge to this list.
Seems a lot more efficient and a lot less expensive than all of us
calling you.
Thanks,
Jim
| Message 11
Subject: Re: "Giving Up!"
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 20:35:58 -0500
Hi Paula,
Well. Gee Whiz, I don't know why you don't have all of this information
available to you at your fingertips. I thought all of us in this business
were independently wealthy with "state of the art" computer systems, etc.
etc.
My configuration (Again, Gee Whiz (seriously) I wish you guys had a fax
machine
I can't believe that you don't.) is 2-800-gal tanks separated by
a clarifier.I run a small continuous flow between the two tanks and a major
flow to the 5 grow beds. The grow beds are apprx. (1) 3x6, (4) 3x4 which is
a total growing area of apprx. 54 sq. ft. I know that this is a small
growing area, but it is all that I have.
My 800-gal tanks are circular. I'm not sure right now what type of pumps I
use.
I just truly believe that I had too many fish in the system and that they
were breeding themselves within the system.
But, I do basically use the S&S System.
Thanks
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "S & S Aqua Farm"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: "Giving Up!"
At 10:09 PM 05/22/2001 -0500, Steve wrote:
>
>I was told when I initially started this business that Tilapia could be
>grown at a rate of 1/2 lb Tilapia per gal of water and that was what I was
>trying to attain. This is probably attainable if you have a TREMENDOUS
>filtration system and a pure O2 input. My 5 growbeds were obviously
>inadequate to handle this quantity of fish. I know that I have blasted Mike
>Sipe's fish in the past. This is personal. Has nothing to do with his fish.
>The original breeders that I got from him were absolutely phenomenal and
>produced, obviously, maximum quantities of offspring.
>
>I believe, in hindsight, that this was ultimately the problem. I just had
>too many fish for my system to handle. The offspring started breeding and
>then it was a catastrophic endless cycle of problems.
Steve - I know I probably shouldn't have to ask this question, as you've
probably stated before what your configuration is and I should have it in my
files. (Between my mother's illness and working with my son's choral group
that leaves for China next week, I've been distracted.)
Did you set up your grow beds as a filtration system for your breeders'
tank? Is your 800 gallon tank (below) circular, and what type of pump and
placement are you using? It seems that if you have that type of
reproduction rate that the tank/pump configuration lends itself to dormant
areas, which would contribute to your reproduction rate and water quality
problems.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
| Message 12
Subject: Re: "Giving Up!"
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:02:24 -0500
Hi Ada,
I'm going to venture forth in this. I have another couple of posts to read,
but I would like to respond immediately to yours
The S&S story is real. Paula is very real. She has been an immense help to
me
.not just with the system, but with research, friendship, etc.
I have maybe made some unjust criticism about Tilapia. It is just that mine
didn't work out well.
All I can say, Ada, is just "go for it". Make your mistakes
we will be
here for you.
Luv
.Steve :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ada Erickson"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: "Giving Up!"
Steve-
Thanks for sharing/clarifying. I am a new person on the list, and my mom
and I are so inspired by S&S's story, we are venturing soon. Your story has
helped me immensely in my gathering of tilapia fact/wisdom.
Thanks,
Ada
P.S. For all of you folks on the board, if you wouldn't mind, I would love
to have a brief intro/background from each of you. If it is not already
available, I would also be glad to make an intro page on my website for
future "newbies".
>From: "STEVE SPRING"
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>To:
>Subject: "Giving Up!"
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>Hi Bruce,
>
>Didn't want to burden Paula's list anymore with this, but I wanted to clear
>up a couple of things. "Giving up" is not in my vocabulary. I have no
>desire
>to give up. I just want to change directions
>
>My relationship with Tilapia has been very labor intensive, very costly and
>non-rewarding. I have no desire to give up on my aquaponics venture, I just
>want to go into something different. Hey, I love these little
>"lemon-yellows". My wife loves her little "fat fish". I just loved my
>initial Tilapia breeders. I nicknamed them the "Chihuahuas". (They were
>Mike
>Sipe's "Chocolates") They would just wiggle like crazy whenever they saw
>me.
>Come to the surface and eat right out of my hand. BUT, THEY ARE DEAD!
>(Makes
>me sad to think about them.)
>
>I was told when I initially started this business that Tilapia could be
>grown at a rate of 1/2 lb Tilapia per gal of water and that was what I was
>trying to attain. This is probably attainable if you have a TREMENDOUS
>filtration system and a pure O2 input. My 5 growbeds were obviously
>inadequate to handle this quantity of fish. I know that I have blasted Mike
>Sipe's fish in the past. This is personal. Has nothing to do with his fish.
>The original breeders that I got from him were absolutely phenomenal and
>produced, obviously, maximum quantities of offspring.
>
>I believe, in hindsight, that this was ultimately the problem. I just had
>too many fish for my system to handle. The offspring started breeding and
>then it was a catastrophic endless cycle of problems.
>
>After my loss of several hundred fish, I now have +/- 100 fish in my 800
>gal
>tank and the water clarity is unbelievable. You can see the "theoretical"
>dime at the bottom of the tank.
>
>I'm really posting this message to the "newbies" on the list. Beware of
>exaggerated claims. What do they say, "If it sounds too good to be true, it
>probably is."?
>
>I believe if I had stuck to maybe 1/4 lb fish/gal of water, I would have
>been o.k. But, what do you do when you have hundreds of babies a week
.do
>you just kill them?
>
>Just food for thought.
>
>Steve
>
>
| Message 13
Subject: Re: "Giving Up!"
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:07:05 -0500
Hi Pablo,
That was very sweet!!
Thank you and yes, they were "special".
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "pablo obiaga"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: "Giving Up!"
At 22:09 22/05/01 -0500, you wrote:
Hi Steve:
I'm so sorry for your loss. It's rather hard when you have developed a
relationship whith what you are doing
"I just loved my
initial Tilapia breeders. I nicknamed them the "Chihuahuas". (They were Mike
Sipe's "Chocolates") They would just wiggle like crazy whenever they saw me.
Come to the surface and eat right out of my hand."
There are lots of useful data on the list "technical numbers", but what i
just quoted from you is what turns to be "part of the real thing" every
day, even when at first you don't now what it might become: "the other
part", or not.
As a "newbie" I asure you I will not forget you experience.
Thank you for posting feellings and experiences of the other part:"The Dark
Side of Acuaponics"
I'll stick to your advice,
As I heard my Italian say (not wright), "Chi va piano
va lontano"
(Who goes slow
. goes far)
ĦArriba!
Pablo
>After my loss of several hundred fish, I now have +/- 100 fish in my 800
gal
>tank and the water clarity is unbelievable. You can see the "theoretical"
>dime at the bottom of the tank.
>
>I'm really posting this message to the "newbies" on the list. Beware of
>exaggerated claims. What do they say, "If it sounds too good to be true, it
>probably is."?
>
>I believe if I had stuck to maybe 1/4 lb fish/gal of water, I would have
>been o.k. But, what do you do when you have hundreds of babies a week
.do
>you just kill them?
>
>Just food for thought.
>
>Steve
>
>
>
| Message 14
Subject: Re: Intro/Background was: "Giving Up!"
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:28:59 -0500
WOW!
Here I go again.
Seems as if this "Ada" is a very nice person
.albeit, with an unusual
request.
But, here comes Bill Patrick, "rocket scientist" who doesn't even have a
good command of English to blast her. And he says, If I bore you, "TOO
BAD"!! (How does that go Ted
.Oy Vey!!??)
By the way Bill, "Socially Insensitive" is trademarked to me. Find your own
"handle".
I just love the way I make "sparks" fly. Don't you just hate me??
Luv ya anyway
By the way, Bruce Schreiber and I are going to to Milwauke Aquarium Society
meeting tomorrow night
.I'm really looking forward to incorporating the
tropicals into the aquaponic system
We'll see how this works. Keep ya
posted if interested.
Later Ya'll
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Patrick"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 7:45 PM
Subject: Intro/Background was: "Giving Up!"
Ada,
I'm Bill Patrick and I've been a list member for about a year (6/11/00
will mark the anniversary). I've been interested in aquaculture for as
long as I can remember, but have yet to grow any fish and have my first
inadvertent fish kill. I live on Merritt Is. Fla. and work at "The
Cape" as an engineer on Boeing's new Delta IV rocket. My only step
towards my aquaculture project is the purchase of the tank (as
documented 'at' http://patrick.zb.net/aqua ). My next step is the
construction of the greenhouse, but work and school has been interfering
with what is really important, growing fish and plants. But because I'm
really cheap and I spent the big bucks on the tank (thanks Tedus
Aquaponius!) I will make it happen (one day ;-) ). I too have been
curious about our other list members also and over the past year have
been able to learn/figure out a little bit about our regular posters,
but it would be nice to something a little more organized such as what
you have asked for and links to home pages if they exist, so I decided
to reply. Hope I didn't bore anybody, but if I did, too bad, you could
have deleted based on the changed subject title. Guess I'm just a
little "Socially Insensitive" too.
Bill
If god had meant us to be vegetarians, he wouldn't have made animals out
of
meat.
Ada Erickson wrote:
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ada
>
> P.S. For all of you folks on the board, if you wouldn't mind, I would love
> to have a brief intro/background from each of you. If it is not already
> available, I would also be glad to make an intro page on my website for
> future "newbies".
>
| Message 15
Subject: New to Group
From: "Arlos"
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 20:03:53 -0700
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G'day everyone,
I'm a mechanical engineer on the central California coast (Monterey =
Bay). I design, build and install water treatment and processing =
equipment. I have a passion for aquaculture and aquaponics. I've been =
working to develop a small micro farm that can raise profitable aquatic =
species and plants in reclaimed waste water. The fact that aquaponics =
can be maintained primarily in a closed loop system offers a greater =
range of application to locales that have limited natural resources is =
pretty darn intriguing. I look forward to a long association with this =
group.
Warm Regards,
Arlos Anderson
Blue Lotus Aquatics
Aptos, CA
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G'day everyone,
I'm a mechanical engineer on the central California =
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working to=20
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species and=20
plants in reclaimed waste water. The fact that aquaponics can be =
maintained=20
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to=20
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look=20
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Warm Regards,
Arlos Anderson
Blue Lotus Aquatics
Aptos, CA
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| Message 16
Subject: removal
From: van jones
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:34:42 -0500
Please remove my ironhorse 'at' arkansas.net e-mail address and add
vanjones215 'at' hotmail.com. Thank You,
Sincerely,
Van Jones
| Message 17
Subject: Reply to - Re: New to Group
From: "David Atkinson"
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 00:01:23 -0400
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Welcome Arlos,
David Atkinson
(JAMAICA W.I.)
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To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com=20
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 11:03 PM
Subject: New to Group
G'day everyone,
I'm a mechanical engineer on the central California coast (Monterey =
Bay). I design, build and install water treatment and processing =
equipment. I have a passion for aquaculture and aquaponics. I've been =
working to develop a small micro farm that can raise profitable aquatic =
species and plants in reclaimed waste water. The fact that aquaponics =
can be maintained primarily in a closed loop system offers a greater =
range of application to locales that have limited natural resources is =
pretty darn intriguing. I look forward to a long association with this =
group.
Warm Regards,
Arlos Anderson
Blue Lotus Aquatics
Aptos, CA
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Welcome Arlos,
David Atkinson
(JAMAICA W.I.)
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From:=20
Arlos
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 =
11:03=20
PM
Subject: New to Group
G'day everyone,
I'm a mechanical engineer on the central =
California coast=20
(Monterey Bay). I design, build and install water treatment and =
processing=20
equipment. I have a passion for aquaculture and aquaponics. I've been =
working=20
to develop a small micro farm that can raise profitable aquatic =
species=20
and plants in reclaimed waste water. The fact that aquaponics can be=20
maintained primarily in a closed loop system offers a greater range of =
application to locales that have limited natural resources is pretty =
darn=20
intriguing. I look forward to a long association with this =
group.
Warm Regards,
Arlos Anderson
Blue Lotus Aquatics
Aptos, CA
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