Aquaponics Digest - Tue 06/12/01



Message   1: Long term filtering of non-chlorinated swimming hole
             from 

Message   2: Fwd.  AQUAPONICS COURSE
             from S & S Aqua Farm 

Message   3: mixed-sex tilapia supplier?
             from "Paul F. Beglane" 

Message   4: RE: Long term filtering of non-chlorinated swimming hole
             from "Chris Mills" 

Message   5: I am new at this
             from Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com

Message   6: Re: I am new at this
             from "Arlos" 

Message   7: Re: I am new at this
             from "gutierrez-lagatta" 

Message   8: Need help finding a source for very small water misting nozzels
             from "Ronald Salyer" 

Message   9: Re: I am new at this
             from Jim Joyner 

Message  10: Re: Need help finding a source for very small water misting
  nozzels
             from Ronald Polka 

Message  11: RE: Need help finding a source for very small water misting nozzels
             from "Lorre Smith" 

Message  12: Re: Gold fish - Koi
             from "Steven Medlock" 

Message  13: Re: I am new at this
             from "Chris Jeppesen" 

Message  14: RE: Need help finding a source for very small water misting nozzels
             from "Chris Jeppesen" 

Message  15: Re: Gold fish - Koi
             from "Chris Jeppesen" 

Message  16: Goldfish-koi
             from "LeRoy Andrews" 

Message  17: Re: I am new at this
             from RalphMcl 'at' aol.com

| Message 1  

Subject: Long term filtering of non-chlorinated swimming hole
From:    
Date:    Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:57:59 +0200

A ten cubic foot bubble bead filter would do the trick, or you could do
      this:

1) Excavate 2 earthen basins,...
. snip .

This sounds just like the hydroponic system that I have just dismantled.

Some comment from experience, take em or leave em as you wish.

My system was up and running for four years without trouble except for two pump
failures.

I wouldn't bother putting media around your pump intake, it will simply clog and
become a hassle. Rather screen just small enough to prevent stuff big enough to
damage your pump from getting in.

I would also dispense with the sand, it's not needed if your gravel size is
around a quarter inch or so.  You will be amazed at what this gravel will
remove.

I would also not wash it out much, but you may be forced to do so, if a lot of
grit ends-up in the gravel.

If the gravel clogs up with organinc matter, then you need more gravel (more
area not deeper).

As for plants, I haven't found anything that would not grow in this setup.
Subect to the avalability of plant nutrients of-course.

Just some ramblings from a deranged mind.

Craig

| Message 2  

Subject: Fwd.  AQUAPONICS COURSE
From:    S & S Aqua Farm 
Date:    Tue, 12 Jun 2001 05:53:53 -0500

From:  Aquaculture International, Inc., Charles Johnson, President

Aquaculture International, Inc. is a USA non-profit organization dedicated
to the economically sound, environmentally compatable growth of the
aquaculture industry. 

NEWS RELEASE
AQUAPONICS COURSE

Aquaponics interest is increasing globally in response to more emphasis on
resource management, sustainability and waste management. It involves
combining of aquaculture and hydroponics for mutual benefit. To help meet
the demand for instruction, a practical course in Aquaponics will be held
in Bryson City, NC, November 6 - 9, 2001.

Lecture and AV presentations will include components of aquaponic systems,
fish and plant selection, balancing fish/plant production for efficiency and
optimum yields, utilizing old farm and other buildings, small scale pilot
projects, systems design, natural pest control, meeting organic standards,
economics, specialty markets for higher profitability and accessing
technical assistance and information.

Sites of interest, including a thriving commercial hydroponic lettuce
greenhouse operation and a watercress production operation utilizing trout
farm effluent water will be visited.

The lead instructor will be Gordon Creaser, who has been involved in
hydroponics for over 40 years and travels world-wide as an aquaponic
consultant.  He is well known for his down-to-earth practical advice.  In
addition, owners of several successful aquaponic facilities will share
useful information concerning the design and operation of their systems. The
class atmosphere will be informal, allowing plenty of time for questions and
personal attention.

For a course brochure and registration information, contact 
Aquaculture International, Inc.
P.O. Box 606
Andrews, NC 28901
Phone or fax:   828-479-6294. 
Email: cwjohnson 'at' graham.main.nc.us

| Message 3  

Subject: mixed-sex tilapia supplier?
From:    "Paul F. Beglane" 
Date:    Tue, 12 Jun 2001 05:45:15 -0700 (PDT)

Hi Everyone!

   Does anyone know of a vendor who could supply me
with a small batch of mixed sex tilapia? I have a
small aquaponic unit sitting idle, and my employers
want to be able to breed a small number of fish
in-house for display purposes. I use mt- sex-reversed
fish for grow-out so I need to look somewhere new for
a broodstock supplier. The gene line isn't critical to
me- the facility director wants a display, and is
inflexible about having broodfish around, but I'm not
considering getting away from my frankenfish as the
principal source of $$.  Any help would be greatly
appreciated!
Best,

 Paul Beglane
Boston, MA 

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| Message 4  

Subject: RE: Long term filtering of non-chlorinated swimming hole
From:    "Chris Mills" 
Date:    Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:43:37 -0500

I think the ten cubic foot Bubble Bead Filter sounds like the simplest to
install.  The Bubble Bead Filters are very effective in both solids removal
and biofiltration.  Additionally, they are very easy to maintain.  With the
addition of a UV sterilizer to avoid algae blooms; you can maintain a
chemical free swimming/ pond environment able to sustain fish and plants.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com
[mailto:aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com]On Behalf Of
CpJohnson 'at' edgars.co.za
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 4:58 AM
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Subject: Long term filtering of non-chlorinated swimming hole

A ten cubic foot bubble bead filter would do the trick, or you could do
      this:

1) Excavate 2 earthen basins,...
. snip .

This sounds just like the hydroponic system that I have just dismantled.

Some comment from experience, take em or leave em as you wish.

My system was up and running for four years without trouble except for two
pump
failures.

I wouldn't bother putting media around your pump intake, it will simply clog
and
become a hassle. Rather screen just small enough to prevent stuff big enough
to
damage your pump from getting in.

I would also dispense with the sand, it's not needed if your gravel size is
around a quarter inch or so.  You will be amazed at what this gravel will
remove.

I would also not wash it out much, but you may be forced to do so, if a lot
of
grit ends-up in the gravel.

If the gravel clogs up with organinc matter, then you need more gravel (more
area not deeper).

As for plants, I haven't found anything that would not grow in this setup.
Subect to the avalability of plant nutrients of-course.

Just some ramblings from a deranged mind.

Craig

| Message 5  

Subject: I am new at this
From:    Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
Date:    Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:05:08 -0400

Hi folks,

I live in Northern Virginia and I am seriously thinking of a aquaponics
operation. There is a piece of land with a well available to me and I want
to put on it a large greenhouse (about 4000 sq. ft). In the greenhouse I
want to put a few 1500 gallon tanks and a few growing beds. I have read
just about anything published on the subject in the past few years and came
to the conclusion that an integrated facility is the most ecologically
sound way to go.

I am trying to figure out the planning. How many tanks I should have and
how many growing beds I can hook-up to each tank? How many fish can be
raised in each 1500 gallon tank. Is there any merit to going to
bigger/smaller tanks and just having more/fewer of them?

-_______________
Andrei D. Calciu (VA-4270)
NEC America, Inc.
14040 Park Center Dr.
Herndon, VA 20171-3227

Voice: 703-834-4273
Fax: 703-787-6613

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| Message 6  

Subject: Re: I am new at this
From:    "Arlos" 
Date:    Tue, 12 Jun 2001 07:58:42 -0700

Andrei,

  As a mechanical engineer, I would certainly say the need for planning is
paramount. More importantly, you are not planning a small back yard hobbyist
operation but a commercial enterprise. Marketing is the horse that's going
to drive your cart. Set this in motion first. You mad e a point by saying
what I think is of the greatest factor for many in here is the ecologically
sound practice aquaponics offers.
  I had just met with a group to look at an abalone farm on the central
California coast this past Sunday and made note to them about waste stream
management. They directly intake raw sea water  for all of their
applications but the waste stream is untreated and is discharged via a vee
ditch into the upper tidal zone. Out on the horizon is concern  by the state
and feds to create a waste management policy for aquaculture operations of
this type. My suggestion to them was to use gravity to feed their dulce
 juvenile AB food and base for a proprietary AB chow they manufacture) grow
beds which need nitrogen and accelerate the growth process and thus reduce
the BOD. I'll post photos after they are developed.

Arlos

-----Original Message-----
From: Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com 
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com 
Date: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 7:10 AM
Subject: I am new at this

>Hi folks,
>
>I live in Northern Virginia and I am seriously thinking of a aquaponics
>operation. There is a piece of land with a well available to me and I want
>to put on it a large greenhouse (about 4000 sq. ft). In the greenhouse I
>want to put a few 1500 gallon tanks and a few growing beds. I have read
>just about anything published on the subject in the past few years and came
>to the conclusion that an integrated facility is the most ecologically
>sound way to go.
>
>I am trying to figure out the planning. How many tanks I should have and
>how many growing beds I can hook-up to each tank? How many fish can be
>raised in each 1500 gallon tank. Is there any merit to going to
>bigger/smaller tanks and just having more/fewer of them?
>
>-_______________
>Andrei D. Calciu (VA-4270)
>NEC America, Inc.
>14040 Park Center Dr.
>Herndon, VA 20171-3227
>
>Voice: 703-834-4273
>Fax: 703-787-6613
>
>This message and any attachment are confidential.  If you are not the
>intended recipient, please telephone or email the sender and delete the
>message and any attachment from your system. If you are not the intended
>recipient you must not copy this message or attachment or disclose the
>contents to any other person.
>
>
>

| Message 7  

Subject: Re: I am new at this
From:    "gutierrez-lagatta" 
Date:    Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:23:03 -0500

Andrei,

This is slightly off-topic, but be sure to check zoning before doing
anything.  Also have the well water tested
  Do not trust anything a
realtor tells you about zoning -  GO TALK TO THE ZONING OFFICE!  In my
area, you are not allowed to install greenhouses on land zoned for
agriculture and there is a trend to restrict greenhouses in other
parts of the country.  I lived in the DC area and N Virginia for 10
years and I know that the art of bureaucracy has been more than
perfected there.  Better to be safe than sorry.
> I live in Northern Virginia and I am seriously thinking of a
aquaponics
> operation. There is a piece of land with a well available to me and
I want
> to put on it a large greenhouse (about 4000 sq. ft). In the
greenhouse I
> want to put a few 1500 gallon tanks and a few growing beds. I have
read
> just about anything published on the subject in the past few years
and came
> to the conclusion that an integrated facility is the most
ecologically
> sound way to go.

Adriana

| Message 8  

Subject: Need help finding a source for very small water misting nozzels
From:    "Ronald Salyer" 
Date:    Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:47:39 -0400

Hi to all,

My name is Ron Salyer.  I live in Westerville, Ohio and am interested in
aquaponics and especially hydroponics.  Accordingly I follow the various
posts by many of you.  I am continually empressed with the breadth of
knowlege and hands on expertise expressed by many of you.  I also have noted
how kind this group has been to even the dumbest of questions.

Dumbest of questions
.?   Oh yeah, that my que.  Can anyone on the list
help me find a source for an effective but inexpensive very small water
mister.  Not a sprayer, but a mister, as close to a fog as misting
technology will allow.

Any ideas out there?

Thank you all,

Ron

| Message 9  

Subject: Re: I am new at this
From:    Jim Joyner 
Date:    Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:42:24 -0500

Andrei,

I too am new to aquaponics. I found that the $200 packet from the Speraneos 
will put you a long way up the learning curve -- It will give you a good 
idea of what has been done successfully along with some good rules of 
thumb. I think all your questions below are covered pretty well plus a lot 
more. The rest you can probably find here.

Virginia should have an Extension expert on fisheries who can tell you a 
lot. Ask your county agent to put you in contact with him/her.

Virginia has a really good Sustainable Ag program. You could call either of 
your SA state coodinators. Bert McLaughlin (Bertmcl 'at' aol.com) even has a 
SARE funded project to compare effectiveness of hydroponics and aquaponics. 
Bert is also in Virginia, has a web site (I can't find the link), and is a 
helluva helpful guy.

Good luck

Jim

At 10:05 AM 6/12/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi folks,
>
>I live in Northern Virginia and I am seriously thinking of a aquaponics
>operation. There is a piece of land with a well available to me and I want
>to put on it a large greenhouse (about 4000 sq. ft). In the greenhouse I
>want to put a few 1500 gallon tanks and a few growing beds. I have read
>just about anything published on the subject in the past few years and came
>to the conclusion that an integrated facility is the most ecologically
>sound way to go.
>
>I am trying to figure out the planning. How many tanks I should have and
>how many growing beds I can hook-up to each tank? How many fish can be
>raised in each 1500 gallon tank. Is there any merit to going to
>bigger/smaller tanks and just having more/fewer of them?
>
>-_______________
>Andrei D. Calciu (VA-4270)
>NEC America, Inc.
>14040 Park Center Dr.
>Herndon, VA 20171-3227
>
>Voice: 703-834-4273
>Fax: 703-787-6613
>
>This message and any attachment are confidential.  If you are not the
>intended recipient, please telephone or email the sender and delete the
>message and any attachment from your system. If you are not the intended
>recipient you must not copy this message or attachment or disclose the
>contents to any other person.

| Message 10 

Subject: Re: Need help finding a source for very small water misting
  nozzels
From:    Ronald Polka 
Date:    Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:35:43 -0600

At 03:47 PM 6/12/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi to all,
>
>My name is Ron Salyer.  I live in Westerville, Ohio and am interested in
>aquaponics and especially hydroponics.  Accordingly I follow the various
>posts by many of you.  I am continually empressed with the breadth of
>knowlege and hands on expertise expressed by many of you.  I also have noted
>how kind this group has been to even the dumbest of questions.
>
>Dumbest of questions
.?   Oh yeah, that my que.  Can anyone on the list
>help me find a source for an effective but inexpensive very small water
>mister.  Not a sprayer, but a mister, as close to a fog as misting
>technology will allow.
>
>Any ideas out there?
>
>Thank you all,
>
>Ron

Ron
         Hey that's a good question. Low pressure mist nozzles can be 
purchased from TekSupply by mail or online, http://www.teksupply.com/. They 
are made for cooling the chickens and cows. They come with 1/8" pipe 
threads so they can be installed with reducing bushings or reducing tees or 
even cheaper, tapped directly into the wall of your distribution pipe. They 
are available in flowrates from 0.8 to 2.4 gallons per hour at their 100 
psi rating. Cost less than $1.00 each. This company also has useful items 
such as float valves that are used for stock watering, good for makeup 
water in nutrient tanks. They also sell structures and components that can 
be used for cold frames etc, plus many items relating to environmental 
control, fans, heaters, etc and assorted supplies.
         You can buy garden hose Fogg-It mist nozzles from greenhouse 
supply companies. They are available in 1/2 and 1 and 2 gpm sizes for 
$6.00. You may have to go to a wholesaler for one of these.
         Good luck on your project.

Ron Polka
Southwest Technology Development Institute
New Mexico State University
Box 30001, Dept 3SOL
Las Cruces, NM  88003
rpolka 'at' nmsu.edu

| Message 11 

Subject: RE: Need help finding a source for very small water misting nozzels
From:    "Lorre Smith" 
Date:    Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:38:23 -0500

try www.azmist.com  They have all the way from small home use systems to
large commercial systems and a downloadable catalog for each.

lorre

-----Original Message-----
From: aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com
[mailto:aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com]On Behalf Of Ronald Salyer
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 2:48 PM
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Subject: Need help finding a source for very small water misting nozzels

Hi to all,

My name is Ron Salyer.  I live in Westerville, Ohio and am interested in
aquaponics and especially hydroponics.  Accordingly I follow the various
posts by many of you.  I am continually empressed with the breadth of
knowlege and hands on expertise expressed by many of you.  I also have noted
how kind this group has been to even the dumbest of questions.

Dumbest of questions
.?   Oh yeah, that my que.  Can anyone on the list
help me find a source for an effective but inexpensive very small water
mister.  Not a sprayer, but a mister, as close to a fog as misting
technology will allow.

Any ideas out there?

Thank you all,

Ron

| Message 12 

Subject: Re: Gold fish - Koi
From:    "Steven Medlock" 
Date:    Tue, 12 Jun 2001 18:08:09 -0500

Chris,
   You contacted the one on this page?  It sais 50 Min.  I guess they are
full of crap.  I will keep looking.  If anyone else has any ideas of where
to get them it would be helpful.
Thank,
  Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Jeppesen 
To: 
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: Gold fish - Koi

> thanks Steve
> I called and they faxed me an 11 page price sheet. The catch is they sell
only pet stores and garden centers, not a problem I have connections there.
The real problem is they have a $500 minimum order. (fish rabbits snakes
etc.)
>
> Chris
>
> >From: "Steven Medlock" 
> >To: 
> >SUBJECTDate: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 16:27:11 -0500
> >Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: 
> >To: 
> >Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 11:03 PM
> >Subject: Re: Gold fish - Koi
> >
> >
> >> Just got a flyer in the Greenhouse Producer News yesterday
> >> that has an ad for Koi (4" for $.95, 50 min).  Haven't
> >> checked koi prices lately so don't know how that compares
> >> and we've never ordered from them before.  They also list
> >> pond plants and will do a weekly fax of specials.
> >>
> >> Animals Etc., Inc.
> >> 551 Rt 130 S
> >> Burlington, NJ  08016
> >> 1-800-631-PETS
> >> 1-800-650-PETS (Fax)
> >>
> >> Marcy Nameth
> >>
> >> Chris Jeppesen wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Does anyone know a (cheap) source for gold fish or koi.
> >> >
> >>   I have done a search aroung the internet and St. Louis erea, I have
foud
> >that 2 to 2.50 is normal for the non show quality fish.  I am in contact
> >with a local pet store that is selling quit a few small, 4 inches for
five
> >and six dollars a piece to local water garden owners.  There looks to be
a
> >market around here.
> >Steve
>
>
>
>
> 

>  
>  
>

| Message 13 

Subject: Re: I am new at this
From:    "Chris Jeppesen" 
Date:    Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:30:22 -0700

AMEN I've had nothing but trouble with the city of Orem over my green house and it is on a ther
family farm that has been in family for 121 years and has had green houses on it continuously
since 1910. If posible fing a location who's buricrates our freindly to your plans amd needs.
Chris jeppese
>From: "gutierrez-lagatta" 
>To: 
>SUBJECTDate: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:23:03 -0500
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>
>Andrei,
>
>This is slightly off-topic, but be sure to check zoning before doing
>anything.  Also have the well water tested
  Do not trust anything a
>realtor tells you about zoning -  GO TALK TO THE ZONING OFFICE!  In my
>area, you are not allowed to install greenhouses on land zoned for
>agriculture and there is a trend to restrict greenhouses in other
>parts of the country.  I lived in the DC area and N Virginia for 10
>years and I know that the art of bureaucracy has been more than
>perfected there.  Better to be safe than sorry.
>> I live in Northern Virginia and I am seriously thinking of a
>aquaponics
>> operation. There is a piece of land with a well available to me and
>I want
>> to put on it a large greenhouse (about 4000 sq. ft). In the
>greenhouse I
>> want to put a few 1500 gallon tanks and a few growing beds. I have
>read
>> just about anything published on the subject in the past few years
>and came
>> to the conclusion that an integrated facility is the most
>ecologically
>> sound way to go.
>
>Adriana

| Message 14 

Subject: RE: Need help finding a source for very small water misting nozzels
From:    "Chris Jeppesen" 
Date:    Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:34:06 -0700

Me too. I got to from Home Base, then they closed the store.  There called Arizona misters
because they use them down there to cool people.
Chris

>From: "Ronald Salyer" 
>To: 
>SUBJECTDate: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:47:39 -0400
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>
>Hi to all,
>
>My name is Ron Salyer.  I live in Westerville, Ohio and am interested in
>aquaponics and especially hydroponics.  Accordingly I follow the various
>posts by many of you.  I am continually empressed with the breadth of
>knowlege and hands on expertise expressed by many of you.  I also have noted
>how kind this group has been to even the dumbest of questions.
>
>Dumbest of questions
.?   Oh yeah, that my que.  Can anyone on the list
>help me find a source for an effective but inexpensive very small water
>mister.  Not a sprayer, but a mister, as close to a fog as misting
>technology will allow.
>
>Any ideas out there?
>
>Thank you all,
>
>Ron

| Message 15 

Subject: Re: Gold fish - Koi
From:    "Chris Jeppesen" 
Date:    Tue, 12 Jun 2001 18:05:40 -0700

Steve
the 50 min. is for that price they will sell 1 koi at a time at a higher price. but you would
have to spend $499 on something else from there catalog.

I got a few last winter from a guy in SLC who has a little garden pond in his yard. He said in
the fall there were a gadzilion little ones. They either winter killed or were hideing. We
picked ther Ice up on a warm day and all we cold find were his big origenal stock. I'm going to
try and contact him in july and see if we can find any then.
Maybe you could talk around and find a similar source near you.
Chris

>From: "Steven Medlock" 
>To: 
>SUBJECTDate: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 18:08:09 -0500
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>
>Chris,
>   You contacted the one on this page?  It sais 50 Min.  I guess they are
>full of crap.  I will keep looking.  If anyone else has any ideas of where
>to get them it would be helpful.
>Thank,
>  Steve
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Chris Jeppesen 
>To: 
>Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 11:54 AM
>Subject: Re: Gold fish - Koi
>
>
>> thanks Steve
>> I called and they faxed me an 11 page price sheet. The catch is they sell
>only pet stores and garden centers, not a problem I have connections there.
>The real problem is they have a $500 minimum order. (fish rabbits snakes
>etc.)
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> >From: "Steven Medlock" 
>> >To: 
>> >SUBJECTDate: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 16:27:11 -0500
>> >Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: 
>> >To: 
>> >Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 11:03 PM
>> >Subject: Re: Gold fish - Koi
>> >
>> >
>> >> Just got a flyer in the Greenhouse Producer News yesterday
>> >> that has an ad for Koi (4" for $.95, 50 min).  Haven't
>> >> checked koi prices lately so don't know how that compares
>> >> and we've never ordered from them before.  They also list
>> >> pond plants and will do a weekly fax of specials.
>> >>
>> >> Animals Etc., Inc.
>> >> 551 Rt 130 S
>> >> Burlington, NJ  08016
>> >> 1-800-631-PETS
>> >> 1-800-650-PETS (Fax)
>> >>
>> >> Marcy Nameth
>> >>
>> >> Chris Jeppesen wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Does anyone know a (cheap) source for gold fish or koi.
>> >> >
>> >>   I have done a search aroung the internet and St. Louis erea, I have
>foud
>> >that 2 to 2.50 is normal for the non show quality fish.  I am in contact
>> >with a local pet store that is selling quit a few small, 4 inches for
>five
>> >and six dollars a piece to local water garden owners.  There looks to be
>a
>> >market around here.
>> >Steve
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 

>>  
>>  
>>

| Message 16 

Subject: Goldfish-koi
From:    "LeRoy Andrews" 
Date:    Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:10:55 -0400

I too called the number and they would not talk to me because I was not a
pet store               Roy

| Message 17 

Subject: Re: I am new at this
From:    RalphMcl 'at' aol.com
Date:    Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:50:08 EDT

Hi Andreia,
The Va. Fish Farmer's Association is a non profit organization, we are 
currently developing workshops on aquaponics,in conjunction with Va. State 
University.
Our next meeting will be in September, you are invited to be our guest,  we 
are also planning several tours to other aquaculture facilities in Va. and 
N.C.
Feel free to contact me anytime, I believe we can answer most of your 
questions and we have two Professors on our board of directors.
Ralph E. McLaughlin
804-932-4377
 


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