Aquaponics Digest - Sat 06/16/01
Message 1: Re: Unsubscribe
from Al Thompson
Message 2: RE: Unsubscribe
from Darren Pearce
Message 3: Fly larvae for fish food
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 4: Re: Square watermelons?
from Crighton
Message 5: Re: Unsubscribe
from marc 'at' aculink.net
Message 6: Re: Fly larvae for fish food
from "Arlos"
Message 7: RE: Fly larvae for fish food
from "billevans"
Message 8: Re: Square watermelons?
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 9: Re: Square watermelons?
from Crighton
Message 10: Re: Unsubscribe
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 11: Re: Fly larvae for fish food
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 12: Re: Fly larvae for fish food
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 13: Re: Fly larvae for fish food
from "Arlos"
Message 14: RE: Fish scale decomp
from "billevans"
Message 15: Re: Fly larvae for fish food
from "Arlos"
Message 16: "Cubic" watermelons
from DAVEINBHAM 'at' aol.com
Message 17: Re: Fish scale decomp
from "Arlos"
Message 18: Re: Unsubscribe
from "Chris Jeppesen"
Message 19: Fw: NB TO FUSSY FISH
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 20: Re: OT: Other Viable Tilapia hatchery methods
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 21: Re: OT: Other Viable Tilapia methods
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 22: Re: TILAPIA AND BREAM
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 23: Re: TILAPIA AND BREAM
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 24: Re: Fly larvae for fish food
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 25: Re: Unsubscribe
from marc 'at' aculink.net
Message 26: Re: Fly larvae for fish food
from "Frank Stancato"
| Message 1
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe
From: Al Thompson
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:10:57 -0700
Hi Marc:
I think the people who unsubscribe loudly may be
attempting to make a statement. Perhaps these
people have great expectations of learning a
lot about building effective biosystems using
aquaculture and hydroponics technology.
And there is a lot of good information to be had
on this list. And there is a LOT of email generated
by this list, much of it only peripherally related to
aquaponics. That is, the level of noise relative to
signal is very high, so to speak.
I tend to tolerate this, archiving the most useful
messages in my aquaponics folder, and liberally
pressing delete on the rest. Some others may
grow frustrated with the abundance of content
that is better suited to a chat room or spam alias
than to the aquaponics list.
For those who are receiving the mailing list via
work email addresses, the high volume of less than
useful messages can overwhelm important, business
related email and bring unwanted attention from IT
people responsible for administering email servers.
On top of this their seem to be spammers lurking
or scanning the alias. After some recent posts to
the list, I got a few virusware messages in my inbox.
Nothing a quick delete could not fix, but troubling
nonetheless.
I may not agree with those who inconsiderately
unsubscribe from the list, but I do understand the
sense of frustration that leads to it.
Regards,
Al
marc 'at' aculink.net wrote:
> To those folks who post UNSUBCRIBE demands:
>
> When you subscribed to this list you made an electronics
> deal with a computer.
>
> There was NO secretary.
>
> There was NO human involved (except maybe for you).
>
> There is no central office.
>
> There is no receptionist.
>
> Just the computer YOU contacted and you.
>
> You received the instructions to manage YOUR account YOU
> subscribed to.
>
> YOu successfully subscribed.
>
> This included unsubscribing.
>
> Considering there are no humans except for you I am a bit
> confused just WHO IN THE HECK ARE YOU WRITING TO when you
> post your unsubscribe demand????
>
> Inquiring minds want to know.
>
> Marc Nameth
>
> > >Subject: Unsubscribe
> > >
> > >
> > >> Please Unsubscribe!
> > >>
| Message 2
Subject: RE: Unsubscribe
From: Darren Pearce
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 04:02:06 -0400
Al
You wrote
>I think the people who unsubscribe loudly may be
>attempting to make a statement. Perhaps these
>people have great expectations of learning a
>lot about building effective biosystems using
>aquaculture and hydroponics technology.
This list does indeed run a tangential course at times. All the better IMHO!
Fortunately, many of us that find an interest in aquaponics also hold a great
interest in other bio-friendly enterprises. I personally HAVE learned a LOT
(more than I expected) from this group and I continue to be amazed an
expanded.
Besides, I do not recall anybody ever promising me a rose garden(or an
aquaponic specific,nazi regulated mail list).
Sorry, Not trying to be trouble, just trying to acknowledge how much I value
this list.
Sorry if this sounds too much like a rant.
Darren
| Message 3
Subject: Fly larvae for fish food
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 05:52:31 -0500
In our continuing research on biodigestgion Melving Landers has
initiated contact with a researcher connected with the University of
Georgia who is studying the possibility of using Black Soldier Flies
to partially digest animal manures. The flies lay their eggs in the
manure and the prepupae (love those technical terms!) can be collected
easily and dehydrated to be used as feed. They are about 50% protein
and about 35% fat.
Melvin asked me to run this by the members of the aquaponics list to
determine if there would be interest in the dehydrated Black Soldier
Fly Prepupae as feed.
I suspect it all comes down to cost, availability and impact on growth
rates and flavor issues. Comments?
Adriana Gutierrez
| Message 4
Subject: Re: Square watermelons?
From: Crighton
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 06:14:31 -0700
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It was on the front page of the Vancouver Sun, as well.
gutierrez-lagatta wrote:
> Pat, the photo was on the front page of the Birmingham News but the
> watermelons were grown in Japan with the intention of having them fit
> into refrigerators. They sell for $83.00 APIECE! At that price we
> should grow them in the US where land is plentiful and ship them to
> Japan.
>
>
> Hi Adriana, What City had the newspaper article & photo of
> the "Square" watermelons ? They look more appealing than
> the normal ones. I had seen a lady who grew ornamental
> gourds in various different shapes. It depended on what
> type of containers she had. The square shape would make it
> easier for display and stacking
. looks cool!
>
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It was on the front page of the Vancouver Sun, as well.
gutierrez-lagatta wrote:
Pat,
the photo was on the front page of the Birmingham News but the watermelons
were grown in Japan with the intention of having them fit into refrigerators.
They sell for $83.00 APIECE! At that price we should grow them in
the US where land is plentiful and ship them to Japan.
Hi Adriana, What City had the newspaper article & photo
of the "Square" watermelons ? They look more appealing than
the normal ones. I had seen a lady who grew ornamental gourds in
various different shapes. It depended on what type of containers
she had. The square shape would make it easier for display and stacking
. looks cool!
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| Message 5
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe
From: marc 'at' aculink.net
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 07:34:09 -0600
It's so true.
Thanks for the well spoken reminders.
Marc
Al Thompson wrote:
>
> Hi Marc:
>
> I think the people who unsubscribe loudly may be
> attempting to make a statement. Perhaps these
> people have great expectations of learning a
> lot about building effective biosystems using
> aquaculture and hydroponics technology.
| Message 6
Subject: Re: Fly larvae for fish food
From: "Arlos"
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 07:18:36 -0700
Interesting idea but a couple of questions. Would this be available all year
or are the flies seasonal. Any way to assure the feed is clean with no trace
of the manure which may contain E. Coli and other hitch hikers that end up
in the water column and on plants? Not to mention traces of growth hormones,
medications that could be traced back to the "Fly Chow" Setting here
thinking about this, it would be pretty labor intensive to obtain a pure
product but worth a try. hopefully these dried prepupae float and be skimmed
and further cleaned. ARRRGGGH, its to early to think about the feasibility
of pulling flies out of animal waste. A few years ago I had to create a wash
and recovery skid to remove bullets from sand and organics on a closed
military installation. Heck, fly pupae should be a breeze. Anyone ever try
and raise black worms as fish feed? Just a few thoughts on the subject.
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: gutierrez-lagatta
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Cc: Melvin Landers
Date: Saturday, June 16, 2001 3:56 AM
Subject: Fly larvae for fish food
>In our continuing research on biodigestgion Melving Landers has
>initiated contact with a researcher connected with the University of
>Georgia who is studying the possibility of using Black Soldier Flies
>to partially digest animal manures. The flies lay their eggs in the
>manure and the prepupae (love those technical terms!) can be collected
>easily and dehydrated to be used as feed. They are about 50% protein
>and about 35% fat.
>
>Melvin asked me to run this by the members of the aquaponics list to
>determine if there would be interest in the dehydrated Black Soldier
>Fly Prepupae as feed.
>
>I suspect it all comes down to cost, availability and impact on growth
>rates and flavor issues. Comments?
>
>Adriana Gutierrez
>
>
| Message 7
Subject: RE: Fly larvae for fish food
From: "billevans"
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 07:46:33 -0700
Dig around and you'll find the design for it
saw an abstract somewhere
a few years ago dealing w/ breeding flies on sludge/ manure
as they took
wing they could attempt escape thru a collection door
. They would fly out
and get zapped. They harvested themselves, basically.
Just had to collect the "protein" every so often.
bille
--
-t the feasibility
of pulling flies out of animal waste.
| Message 8
Subject: Re: Square watermelons?
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 10:31:25 -0700
Ok ok ok
.somebody talk to me
.:)
I know with pumpkins that they get a yellowish tinge on the side that
theyve been laying on
. so how comes these look soooo good??
Were they lain in a see thru glass container??
Mike
JAMAICA
Crighton wrote:
>
> It was on the front page of the Vancouver Sun, as well.
>
> gutierrez-lagatta wrote:
>
> Pat, the photo was on the front page of the Birmingham News
> but the watermelons were grown in Japan with the intention
> of having them fit into refrigerators. They sell for $83.00
> APIECE! At that price we should grow them in the US where
> land is plentiful and ship them to Japan.
>
>
> Hi Adriana, What City had the newspaper article
> & photo of the "Square" watermelons ? They look
> more appealing than the normal ones. I had seen a
> lady who grew ornamental gourds in various
> different shapes. It depended on what type of
> containers she had. The square shape would make
> it easier for display and stacking
. looks cool!
| Message 9
Subject: Re: Square watermelons?
From: Crighton
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 08:39:03 -0700
yup.
dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com wrote:
> Ok ok ok
.somebody talk to me
.:)
>
> I know with pumpkins that they get a yellowish tinge on the side that
> theyve been laying on
. so how comes these look soooo good??
> Were they lain in a see thru glass container??
>
> Mike
> JAMAICA
>
> Crighton wrote:
> >
> > It was on the front page of the Vancouver Sun, as well.
> >
> > gutierrez-lagatta wrote:
> >
> > Pat, the photo was on the front page of the Birmingham News
> > but the watermelons were grown in Japan with the intention
> > of having them fit into refrigerators. They sell for $83.00
> > APIECE! At that price we should grow them in the US where
> > land is plentiful and ship them to Japan.
> >
> >
> > Hi Adriana, What City had the newspaper article
> > & photo of the "Square" watermelons ? They look
> > more appealing than the normal ones. I had seen a
> > lady who grew ornamental gourds in various
> > different shapes. It depended on what type of
> > containers she had. The square shape would make
> > it easier for display and stacking
. looks cool!
| Message 10
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 10:44:04 -0700
Not sure if I wanna put an off topic before the subject but Marc you
made me laugh, can I have your permission to copy and archive that to
post elsewhere?? I had a good laugh
so did my wife after she saw me
laughing and came to look!! hheheheeehe
I have learnt and am still willing to learn a lot about ESPECIALLY the
peripheral needs and ventures of others doing this type of biosystems. I
find the diversity of replies only WIDENS my horizons.
Greatest list I know.
Mike
JAMAICA.
marc 'at' aculink.net wrote:
>
> To those folks who post UNSUBCRIBE demands:
>
> When you subscribed to this list you made an electronics
> deal with a computer.
>
> There was NO secretary.
>
> There was NO human involved (except maybe for you).
>
> There is no central office.
>
> There is no receptionist.
>
> Just the computer YOU contacted and you.
>
> You received the instructions to manage YOUR account YOU
> subscribed to.
>
> YOu successfully subscribed.
>
> This included unsubscribing.
>
> Considering there are no humans except for you I am a bit
> confused just WHO IN THE HECK ARE YOU WRITING TO when you
> post your unsubscribe demand????
>
> Inquiring minds want to know.
>
> Marc Nameth
>
> > >Subject: Unsubscribe
> > >
> > >
> > >> Please Unsubscribe!
> > >>
| Message 11
Subject: Re: Fly larvae for fish food
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 11:04:33 -0700
For all the weak stomached
. you are warned
DELETE now.
Adrianna
. any reason why U would use fly pupae as opposed to the
flies themselves, as Bill Evans suggests? I know the protein/fat ratios
are different but why build difficult handling systems when you can have
the "clean" flies??
I have done some presketches in designing a unit for a fish
market
where the meat wastes are digested first by eating from maggots,
then its extruded into another chamber with an organic substrate where
worms do the rest. Still working on the "watery" portion side of
things
. I might end up spraying this at intervals over the organic
side so as to reduce odor and keep the humidity ok.
As Bill said, why worry about pupae when you can get a high ratio of
flies and a self harvesting function. Also think about growing duckweed
on the effluent of your digester. This may be a higher protein feed, and
cleaner to handle that the flies
I have been doing a test, and WOW this
thing grows like CRAZZZZZZY
Each week when I visit the test tank, it
has grown an amazing 3 inches deep of duckweed, and that at a surface
area of 2m^2!! IN A WEEK!!
I am willing to help build this system "online" with anyone interested.
Mike
JAMAICA.
gutierrez-lagatta wrote:
>
> In our continuing research on biodigestgion Melving Landers has
> initiated contact with a researcher connected with the University of
> Georgia who is studying the possibility of using Black Soldier Flies
> to partially digest animal manures. The flies lay their eggs in the
> manure and the prepupae (love those technical terms!) can be collected
> easily and dehydrated to be used as feed. They are about 50% protein
> and about 35% fat.
>
> Melvin asked me to run this by the members of the aquaponics list to
> determine if there would be interest in the dehydrated Black Soldier
> Fly Prepupae as feed.
>
> I suspect it all comes down to cost, availability and impact on growth
> rates and flavor issues. Comments?
>
> Adriana Gutierrez
| Message 12
Subject: Re: Fly larvae for fish food
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 11:10:23 -0700
PS. Anyone know of the FASTEST way to decompose fish scales??
No cheating!! Dynamite, explosives and acids NOT allowed
!!! :>
Thanks.
Mike.
gutierrez-lagatta wrote:
>
> In our continuing research on biodigestgion Melving Landers has
> initiated contact with a researcher connected with the University of
> Georgia who is studying the possibility of using Black Soldier Flies
> to partially digest animal manures.
| Message 13
Subject: Re: Fly larvae for fish food
From: "Arlos"
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 09:11:34 -0700
Mike,
Duckweed is one of the true miracle plants. I harvested my seed crop from
a ditch on a golf course in a cup and they grow so fast you couldn't give it
away fast enough. I use it in part of my septic tank alternative system at
home. I can't think of another plant with as high a protein or growth rate.
The stuff just thrives on waste water. Harvested, cleaned and pelletized
with other material would indeed be an inexpensive source of feed material.
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Saturday, June 16, 2001 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: Fly larvae for fish food
>For all the weak stomached
. you are warned
DELETE now.
>
>
>
>Adrianna
. any reason why U would use fly pupae as opposed to the
>flies themselves, as Bill Evans suggests? I know the protein/fat ratios
>are different but why build difficult handling systems when you can have
>the "clean" flies??
>
>I have done some presketches in designing a unit for a fish
>market
where the meat wastes are digested first by eating from maggots,
>then its extruded into another chamber with an organic substrate where
>worms do the rest. Still working on the "watery" portion side of
>things
. I might end up spraying this at intervals over the organic
>side so as to reduce odor and keep the humidity ok.
>
>As Bill said, why worry about pupae when you can get a high ratio of
>flies and a self harvesting function. Also think about growing duckweed
>on the effluent of your digester. This may be a higher protein feed, and
>cleaner to handle that the flies
I have been doing a test, and WOW this
>thing grows like CRAZZZZZZY
Each week when I visit the test tank, it
>has grown an amazing 3 inches deep of duckweed, and that at a surface
>area of 2m^2!! IN A WEEK!!
>
>I am willing to help build this system "online" with anyone interested.
>
>Mike
>JAMAICA.
>
>
>
>gutierrez-lagatta wrote:
>>
>> In our continuing research on biodigestgion Melving Landers has
>> initiated contact with a researcher connected with the University of
>> Georgia who is studying the possibility of using Black Soldier Flies
>> to partially digest animal manures. The flies lay their eggs in the
>> manure and the prepupae (love those technical terms!) can be collected
>> easily and dehydrated to be used as feed. They are about 50% protein
>> and about 35% fat.
>>
>> Melvin asked me to run this by the members of the aquaponics list to
>> determine if there would be interest in the dehydrated Black Soldier
>> Fly Prepupae as feed.
>>
>> I suspect it all comes down to cost, availability and impact on growth
>> rates and flavor issues. Comments?
>>
>> Adriana Gutierrez
>
| Message 14
Subject: RE: Fish scale decomp
From: "billevans"
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 09:17:45 -0700
what's the predominant element in the scales
. Silica?
-----------------------------------------------------------
PS. Anyone know of the FASTEST way to decompose fish scales??
No cheating!! Dynamite, explosives and acids NOT allowed
!!! :>
Thanks.
Mike.
| Message 15
Subject: Re: Fly larvae for fish food
From: "Arlos"
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 09:18:47 -0700
Mike,
If you produce enough fish scale this is not a liability but a commodity.
They are used in cosmetics, i.e.; eye shadow, lip gloss. Probably a paint
additive too. Just something to think about as virtually everything
produced via aquaponics is value added.
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Saturday, June 16, 2001 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: Fly larvae for fish food
>PS. Anyone know of the FASTEST way to decompose fish scales??
>
>No cheating!! Dynamite, explosives and acids NOT allowed
!!! :>
>
>Thanks.
>Mike.
>
>
>gutierrez-lagatta wrote:
>>
>> In our continuing research on biodigestgion Melving Landers has
>> initiated contact with a researcher connected with the University of
>> Georgia who is studying the possibility of using Black Soldier Flies
>> to partially digest animal manures.
>
| Message 16
Subject: "Cubic" watermelons
From: DAVEINBHAM 'at' aol.com
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 12:22:48 EDT
In a message dated 6/16/01 12:08:49 AM Central Daylight Time,
aquaponics-digest-request 'at' townsqr.com writes:
<< This photo was on the front page of our paper this morning. I think
it's great and a niche that one of us should explore. Do we have time
to get a crop out this year? Maybe square canteloupes?
Adriana >>
*****************************************************************
Adriana,
Yes, I saw the photograph of "the square" watermelons on the front page of
our local right wing fishwrapper.
What I want to know is why do the editors call them "square"? A square has
two dimensions. Those watermelons have three dimensions. Would not the proper
term be " cubic " watermelons ?
Adriana, I don't think you could sell them for $83 each at Pepper Place.
Maybe $8 or $9 or even $10, but not $83.
Kindest regards,
Dave
| Message 17
Subject: Re: Fish scale decomp
From: "Arlos"
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 10:02:28 -0700
Calcium
-----Original Message-----
From: billevans
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Saturday, June 16, 2001 9:19 AM
Subject: RE: Fish scale decomp
> what's the predominant element in the scales
. Silica?
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>
>PS. Anyone know of the FASTEST way to decompose fish scales??
>
>No cheating!! Dynamite, explosives and acids NOT allowed
!!! :>
>
>Thanks.
>Mike.
>
>
>
| Message 18
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe
From: "Chris Jeppesen"
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 11:08:27 -0700
the only message I get from these people has something todo with there mental abilities. I'm
not brite enough to save the instructions but when I want to unsubscribe I'm curtious enough to
wait for Paul to post them again.
Chris
>Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 22:10:57 -0700
>From: Al Thompson
>To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>SUBJECTReply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>
>Hi Marc:
>
>I think the people who unsubscribe loudly may be
>attempting to make a statement. Perhaps these
>people have great expectations of learning a
>lot about building effective biosystems using
>aquaculture and hydroponics technology.
>
>And there is a lot of good information to be had
>on this list. And there is a LOT of email generated
>by this list, much of it only peripherally related to
>aquaponics. That is, the level of noise relative to
>signal is very high, so to speak.
>
>I tend to tolerate this, archiving the most useful
>messages in my aquaponics folder, and liberally
>pressing delete on the rest. Some others may
>grow frustrated with the abundance of content
>that is better suited to a chat room or spam alias
>than to the aquaponics list.
>
>For those who are receiving the mailing list via
>work email addresses, the high volume of less than
>useful messages can overwhelm important, business
>related email and bring unwanted attention from IT
>people responsible for administering email servers.
>
>On top of this their seem to be spammers lurking
>or scanning the alias. After some recent posts to
>the list, I got a few virusware messages in my inbox.
>Nothing a quick delete could not fix, but troubling
>nonetheless.
>
>I may not agree with those who inconsiderately
>unsubscribe from the list, but I do understand the
>sense of frustration that leads to it.
>
>Regards,
>Al
>
>marc 'at' aculink.net wrote:
>
>> To those folks who post UNSUBCRIBE demands:
>>
>> When you subscribed to this list you made an electronics
>> deal with a computer.
>>
>> There was NO secretary.
>>
>> There was NO human involved (except maybe for you).
>>
>> There is no central office.
>>
>> There is no receptionist.
>>
>> Just the computer YOU contacted and you.
>>
>> You received the instructions to manage YOUR account YOU
>> subscribed to.
>>
>> YOu successfully subscribed.
>>
>> This included unsubscribing.
>>
>> Considering there are no humans except for you I am a bit
>> confused just WHO IN THE HECK ARE YOU WRITING TO when you
>> post your unsubscribe demand????
>>
>> Inquiring minds want to know.
>>
>> Marc Nameth
>>
>> > >Subject: Unsubscribe
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> Please Unsubscribe!
>> > >>
| Message 19
Subject: Fw: NB TO FUSSY FISH
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 13:22:25 -0500
>From: "Ray & Margi Gibbison"
>To: "S & S Aqua Farm"
>Subject: Re: Fw: NB TO FUSSY FISH
>Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 08:45:50 +0200
>
>Greetings Group this is an alien beaming yet another query your way:
>
>General consensus is that our Tilapia are not going to have great appetites
>in winter: for the last 10 days they have ignored their floating food: this
>lies on the bottom of the tanks until pumped into the growing beds. They are
>moving (a plus) and eating off the tank walls and have good water quality,
>consistent temp 20C plus and they trebled in size since March: so what am I
>worrying about?
>
> I, knowing nothing about fish, just have a feeling they are not happy
>chappies and if they were my kids I would be getting out the tonic! Hence
>this query to Paula.
>
>Thank you for your help
>Margi
>----- Original Message -----
>To: "Ray & Margi Gibbison"
>Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 3:57 PM
>Subject: Re: Fw: NB TO FUSSY FISH
>
>
>> At 10:13 AM 06/15/2001 +0200, you wrote:
>>
>> >> When examining the fish in the catch net I think they are a different
>> >colour
>> >> to when we received them: they look green/yellow: an algae colour.
>There
>> >are
>> >> a few that are flamingo pink under the gill: is this a sign that they
>are
>> >> ready to breed? Too early in our year for that, I would think.
>> >> Thanks
>> >> Margi
| Message 20
Subject: Re: OT: Other Viable Tilapia hatchery methods
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 14:08:37 -0500 (CDT)
Mike That was just an example of what you could do by using an animals
natural characteristics and habits to set up a low maintenance and
effective system to work for you. That one was gravity fed but you could
also use a wetdry vacuum cleaner to move the fry to higher tanks or a
presherized toilet flusher or (flap type) to automate things a bit and
note that in such a system if used as a grow out tank you will prevent
over population and stunting while saving your fry.
In the shallow area you could substitute a surface lettuce growing
bed for the mop rack.
You could use
(Synodontus Multipunktotus ) A popular cuckoo stile breeding African
catfish in with your Tilapia and let the Tilapia females make you $100
or more every time she incubates a batch of fry in a system like this.
Now ad 30 more females and you will make $3000 or more per month. I am
not kidding its doable.
Just a few thoughts hope you can use them. I should have gone to
college but I still do alright I guess .If I could use my other 9
fingers to type it would help though
Bruce
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Subject: Re: OT: Other Viable Tilapia methods
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:10:19 -0500 (CDT)
Margi Try to get a hold of a few Nicolticous males to breed to some of
your Mosambecus females with no other fish in the system .By doing so
the fry will be hardier,grow faster, and be semi sterile so they will
put more energy into meat production .
You never need to import adult breeders. In general young ship far
better and produce less pollution in their shipping container due to
body size and they start to breed at around the 3 inch size so why go to
the expense.
I like your stories. I've spent much of my life out under the stars
living off of the land and have often toyed with the idea of testing my
self by trying another continent out. I can start out with just the
cloths on my back,a good knife, and a bag of salt and make the rest of
what I need as I go .I have had some close calls but so far I've always
made it back .What do you think am i just a future bag of hot Hieana
far-sorry I mean air
Bruce
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Subject: Re: TILAPIA AND BREAM
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:02:03 -0500 (CDT)
Margi is your water so cool to put them off of feed now ? I really cant
think of any other reason for them not to be eating. They should be pigs
if the temps are right
Can you bring some in side?
Steve world wide fish shaped like our bluegills are referred to by
Englanders as bream which is why in our south eastern states they do.
They were settled by the English gentry while up here in Wisconsin you
have more northern folk for seed stock very heavy on the Viking
blood.YAH?OH YAH.OKI DOHKI
Bruce
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Subject: Re: TILAPIA AND BREAM
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:12:25 -0500 (CDT)
Steve don't knock skunks they are very good eating tender and fat. In
one of my live off of the land banquets I have proved it many times .You
must remove the sent glands before processing
Bruce
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Subject: Re: Fly larvae for fish food
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:31:35 -0500 (CDT)
Mike Just use any of the nateraly occuring scale eating fish and fatten
them up!
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Subject: Re: Unsubscribe
From: marc 'at' aculink.net
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 17:27:46 -0600
Fer sure Mike! Any ole time. :)
Marc
dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com wrote:
>can I have your permission to copy and archive that to
> post elsewhere??
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Subject: Re: Fly larvae for fish food
From: "Frank Stancato"
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 22:39:57 -0700
If you are interested in "growing" you own food try the site listed below.
They show you a number of ways to grow live food for tropicals.
http://www.thekrib.com/
Some of the people who use he site raise a large number of fish. Used as a
supplement you may be able to get away with live food.
Anyone ever try dried duckweed as a feed?
Frank
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