Aquaponics Digest - Sun 06/17/01
Message 1: Re: Fly larvae for fish food
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 2: Re: Unsubscribe
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 3: Re: Fly larvae for fish food
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 4: Re: "Cubic" watermelons
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 5: Re: Fly larvae for fish food
from "Arlos"
Message 6: Re: "Cubic" watermelons
from "Pat Arbuthnot"
Message 7: RE: Fly larvae for fish food
from "billevans"
Message 8: Re: "Cubic" watermelons
from "Pat Arbuthnot"
Message 9: Re: "Cubic" watermelons
from "Pat Arbuthnot"
Message 10: Black Soldier Fly Larva
from CAVM 'at' aol.com
Message 11: Re: Black Soldier Fly Larva
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 12: unsubscribe
from Roy Houston
Message 13: Re: Fly larvae for fish food
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 14: Re: Fly larvae for fish food
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 15: Re: "Cubic" watermelons
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 16: Re: "Cubic" watermelons
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
| Message 1
Subject: Re: Fly larvae for fish food
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 01:23:24 -0700
Hi Adrianna & co.
Heres a site of interest, with practical numbers
http://www.ias.unu.edu/proceedings/icibs/ibs/songhai/
http://www.ibiblio.org/london/orgfarm/livestock/maggots.as.poultry-feed
BEWARE!!
VIVID IMAGES HERE!!!! (for the squeamish only
. also quite a few
beautiful shots !!) Ted theres a shot there for you too
.!!
http://www.zeri.org/projects/maggotssecurehygiene.htm
Anyone need me to run a place like this?? hehehehehe
Happy Fathers Day to all Dads on the list!!
Regards et salutations!!
Mike
JAMAICA.
dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com wrote:
I know the protein/fat ratios
> are different but why build difficult handling systems when you can have
> the "clean" flies??
| Message 2
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 01:26:16 -0500
Hi Marc & Mike,
(Yes, this sounds like a chat list.BUT, a WONDERFUL one!) There are so many,
many very, very bright people on this list who occasionally post things that
have basically nothing to do with aquaponics
.barely hanging on to the
"peripherals".
But, basically everything that is stated on this list helps SOMEONE. Isn't
that what we are here for?
I just made a hand-written note to check out the possibility of a "maggot
generator" (my terms). I believe it was Arlos that brought up this subject.
Then I thought, Hey, free fish food!!
It is just "stupid" little things like this that are brought up by all of us
"little people" that maybe can educate the whole of us.
It is sad that this entire list doesn't have access to the internet as we do
in the U.S. Would be nice if the internet was free to everyone. (Don't
worry, there are politicians everywhere who are just absolutely squirming in
their beds, can't sleep, get hives and are just going absolutely beserk
trying to figure out a way to tax the U.S. internet.)
Later
.SS
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Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe
Not sure if I wanna put an off topic before the subject but Marc you
made me laugh, can I have your permission to copy and archive that to
post elsewhere?? I had a good laugh
so did my wife after she saw me
laughing and came to look!! hheheheeehe
I have learnt and am still willing to learn a lot about ESPECIALLY the
peripheral needs and ventures of others doing this type of biosystems. I
find the diversity of replies only WIDENS my horizons.
Greatest list I know.
Mike
JAMAICA.
marc 'at' aculink.net wrote:
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| Message 3
Subject: Re: Fly larvae for fish food
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 01:35:27 -0500
Hi Arlos,
What is your personal email address?
Would like to chat with you sometime w/o burdening the list.
Why don't you come to North Carolina for our meeting. Should be fun!!
Thanks
.Steve careplus 'at' execpc.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlos"
To:
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: Fly larvae for fish food
Mike,
Duckweed is one of the true miracle plants. I harvested my seed crop from
a ditch on a golf course in a cup and they grow so fast you couldn't give it
away fast enough. I use it in part of my septic tank alternative system at
home. I can't think of another plant with as high a protein or growth rate.
The stuff just thrives on waste water. Harvested, cleaned and pelletized
with other material would indeed be an inexpensive source of feed material.
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Saturday, June 16, 2001 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: Fly larvae for fish food
>For all the weak stomached
. you are warned
DELETE now.
>
>
>
>Adrianna
. any reason why U would use fly pupae as opposed to the
>flies themselves, as Bill Evans suggests? I know the protein/fat ratios
>are different but why build difficult handling systems when you can have
>the "clean" flies??
>
>I have done some presketches in designing a unit for a fish
>market
where the meat wastes are digested first by eating from maggots,
>then its extruded into another chamber with an organic substrate where
>worms do the rest. Still working on the "watery" portion side of
>things
. I might end up spraying this at intervals over the organic
>side so as to reduce odor and keep the humidity ok.
>
>As Bill said, why worry about pupae when you can get a high ratio of
>flies and a self harvesting function. Also think about growing duckweed
>on the effluent of your digester. This may be a higher protein feed, and
>cleaner to handle that the flies
I have been doing a test, and WOW this
>thing grows like CRAZZZZZZY
Each week when I visit the test tank, it
>has grown an amazing 3 inches deep of duckweed, and that at a surface
>area of 2m^2!! IN A WEEK!!
>
>I am willing to help build this system "online" with anyone interested.
>
>Mike
>JAMAICA.
>
>
>
>gutierrez-lagatta wrote:
>>
>> In our continuing research on biodigestgion Melving Landers has
>> initiated contact with a researcher connected with the University of
>> Georgia who is studying the possibility of using Black Soldier Flies
>> to partially digest animal manures. The flies lay their eggs in the
>> manure and the prepupae (love those technical terms!) can be collected
>> easily and dehydrated to be used as feed. They are about 50% protein
>> and about 35% fat.
>>
>> Melvin asked me to run this by the members of the aquaponics list to
>> determine if there would be interest in the dehydrated Black Soldier
>> Fly Prepupae as feed.
>>
>> I suspect it all comes down to cost, availability and impact on growth
>> rates and flavor issues. Comments?
>>
>> Adriana Gutierrez
>
| Message 4
Subject: Re: "Cubic" watermelons
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 08:54:15 -0500
I agree, in the US they won't pay that, but perhaps we could export to
Japan? Would you settle for $40 delivered, wholesale? Somebody told
me they sell them in glass boxes to allow them to stay green.
> Adriana, I don't think you could sell them for $83 each at Pepper
Place.
> Maybe $8 or $9 or even $10, but not $83.
| Message 5
Subject: Re: Fly larvae for fish food
From: "Arlos"
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 06:56:56 -0700
Mike,
Thanks for the resources once again. the zeri.org site is a gold mine. I
just fired it off to an ecological watch dog group in my area that is prone
to excessive whining as example of low tech solution to some very real
problems we face here.
And
. Happy Fathers Day to all the fathers that have gone beyond
themselves to serve others
.OK, a Happy Fathers day to everyone out
there.
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Saturday, June 16, 2001 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: Fly larvae for fish food
>Hi Adrianna & co.>
>Heres a site of interest, with practical numbers
>
>http://www.ias.unu.edu/proceedings/icibs/ibs/songhai/
>http://www.ibiblio.org/london/orgfarm/livestock/maggots.as.poultry-feed
>
>
>BEWARE!!
>
>VIVID IMAGES HERE!!!! (for the squeamish only
. also quite a few
>beautiful shots !!) Ted theres a shot there for you too
.!!
>
>http://www.zeri.org/projects/maggotssecurehygiene.htm
>
>
>Anyone need me to run a place like this?? hehehehehe
>
>Happy Fathers Day to all Dads on the list!!
>
>
>Regards et salutations!!
>
>
>Mike
>JAMAICA.
>
>dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com wrote:
> I know the protein/fat ratios
>> are different but why build difficult handling systems when you can have
>> the "clean" flies??
>
| Message 6
Subject: Re: "Cubic" watermelons
From: "Pat Arbuthnot"
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 09:29:25 -0500
Adriana, Maybe a few of the "creative" minds out there can come up with the plans for
the boxes to use to grow the "cubic" melons. If we start production on the boxes, by next
spring we should have enough to have a crop for next year. Any suggestions on
design??
By the way, I was checking out some sites on "U-Pick Strawberries" and came across your
article
.very good!
>From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: "Cubic" watermelons
>Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 08:54:15 -0500
>
>I agree, in the US they won't pay that, but perhaps we could export to
>Japan? Would you settle for $40 delivered, wholesale? Somebody told
>me they sell them in glass boxes to allow them to stay green.
> > Adriana, I don't think you could sell them for $83 each at Pepper
>Place.
> > Maybe $8 or $9 or even $10, but not $83.
>
>
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| Message 7
Subject: RE: Fly larvae for fish food
From: "billevans"
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 07:35:17 -0700
One thing that hasn't been mentioned --- flies dont need waste to be
buffered . In comparison,
if one were to use worms to decompose a waste stream, more than likely,
that waste stream would have to be compostd, B4 they would touch it
. w/
flies- just give them accesss- they breed/thrive in most anything.
-
| Message 8
Subject: Re: "Cubic" watermelons
From: "Pat Arbuthnot"
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 09:45:58 -0500
Adriana, Maybe a few of the "creative" minds out there can come up with the plans for
the boxes to use to grow the "cubic" melons. If we start production on the boxes, by next
spring we should have enough to have a crop for next year. Any suggestions on
design??
By the way, I was checking out some sites on "U-Pick Strawberries" and came across your
article
.very good!
>From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: "Cubic" watermelons
>Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 08:54:15 -0500
>
>I agree, in the US they won't pay that, but perhaps we could export to
>Japan? Would you settle for $40 delivered, wholesale? Somebody told
>me they sell them in glass boxes to allow them to stay green.
> > Adriana, I don't think you could sell them for $83 each at Pepper
>Place.
> > Maybe $8 or $9 or even $10, but not $83.
>
>
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| Message 9
Subject: Re: "Cubic" watermelons
From: "Pat Arbuthnot"
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 09:46:21 -0500
Adriana, Maybe a few of the "creative" minds out there can come up with the plans for
the boxes to use to grow the "cubic" melons. If we start production on the boxes, by next
spring we should have enough to have a crop for next year. Any suggestions on
design??
By the way, I was checking out some sites on "U-Pick Strawberries" and came across your
article
.very good!
>From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: "Cubic" watermelons
>Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 08:54:15 -0500
>
>I agree, in the US they won't pay that, but perhaps we could export to
>Japan? Would you settle for $40 delivered, wholesale? Somebody told
>me they sell them in glass boxes to allow them to stay green.
> > Adriana, I don't think you could sell them for $83 each at Pepper
>Place.
> > Maybe $8 or $9 or even $10, but not $83.
>
>
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| Message 10
Subject: Black Soldier Fly Larva
From: CAVM 'at' aol.com
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 12:09:12 EDT
The Black Soldier Fly larva don't have to be mechanically harvested. The
Georgia plan is to use them to discourage house fly infestations in poultry
litter. The Black Soldier Fly larvae disturb the poultry litter by their
lifestyle which discourages house flys from laying eggs in it and the litter
is exposed to the air more which may increase drying thereby reducing odors.
(The drying part is debatable at this time however)
But the larvae themselves have a natural drive to climb. By installing a
slant board with the lower edge in the litter and the upper edge over a
bucket or barrel outside the poultry house, the larvae climb the board, drop
into the bucket or barrel and rapidly accumulate in great numbers. I forget
the production rates which can be expected per day but it is substantial.
Additionally, the Black Soldier Fly lives out its life in the trees around
the facility and tend to not enter a building other than the occasion to lay
its eggs in the litter.
Cornelius A. Van Milligen
Kentucky Enrichment Inc.
byproduct processors
| Message 11
Subject: Re: Black Soldier Fly Larva
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 13:38:16 -0700
Thanks Cornelius,
Youve got me interested now.
http://www.hollowtop.com/finl_html/manureflies.htm
to see what we are talking about
http://entweb.clemson.edu/museum/misc/aqua/aqua15.htm
http://www.squirmy-worms.com/soldfly.html
http://www.sisw.org/outlook.htm#FLY AWAY MANURE
Glad to know I inspired someone! Enjoy!!
Regards
Mike.
CAVM 'at' aol.com wrote:
>
> The Black Soldier Fly larva don't have to be mechanically harvested. The
> Georgia plan is to use them to discourage house fly infestations in poultry
> litter.
| Message 12
Subject: unsubscribe
From: Roy Houston
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 14:39:05 -0500
As a major lurker, my goal is to learn, learn, learn. As I know I will
rarely respond, I receive the end-of-day composite e-mail so as not to "clog
my mailbox". Then it only takes a quick scan to sift the good from the bad
in the single, large message.
Personally I find the sometimes colorful, often off-topic messages
entertaining, if not amusing. That's why I don't just go and read a book.
>I think the people who unsubscribe loudly may be
>attempting to make a statement.
>
>And there is a lot of good information to be had
>on this list. And there is a LOT of email generated
>by this list, much of it only peripherally related to
>aquaponics. That is, the level of noise relative to
>signal is very high, so to speak.
| Message 13
Subject: Re: Fly larvae for fish food
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 21:51:15 -0500
Arlos,
I'll forward your questions on to Melvin who is in contact with the
primary research on this project. I can answer some questions at this
point but not all. The prepupae would be available year-round as the
intentin is to incorporate them into the manure handling process of
large pig famrs or henhouses.
I suspect the larvae are fairly clean. The beauty of this system is
that they remove THEMSELVES out of the manure when they attempt to
migrate at a certain stage of their life cycle. They crawl up the
sloped wall of the manure pit and into perforated tubes which lead to
a collection bucket. Pretty neat! Can't tell you about residual
bacteria, hormones, metals, etc. All are very good questions and
considerations.
> Interesting idea but a couple of questions. Would this be available
all year
> or are the flies seasonal. Any way to assure the feed is clean
If Jim is paying attention he'll tell you that the worms are
more valuable as worms than as fish food.
> . Anyone ever try
> and raise black worms as fish feed?
Adriana
| Message 14
Subject: Re: Fly larvae for fish food
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 21:58:10 -0500
I would think that
a. they serve a useful function reducing manure volumes
b. they are easier to catch
c. they are fatter, jucier and tastier!
> Adrianna
. any reason why U would use fly pupae as opposed to the
> flies themselves, as Bill Evans suggests
GROSSS!!!
> I have done some presketches in designing a unit for a fish
> market
where the meat wastes are digested first by eating from
maggots,
I've forwarded your message to Melvin and his contact for comments.
Adriana
| Message 15
Subject: Re: "Cubic" watermelons
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 22:29:24 -0500
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Pat,
Someone mentioned to me that they saw on TV that they are grown in glass =
boxes. I would think that acrylic would be easiet to work with. My =
thought would be 5 squares connect to form the base of the cube with =
small bungie cords or elastic loops (two per side) to allow for some =
expansion when the box gets full. The top of the cube would be fastened =
in the same fashion but would have a slit for the vine.
My question is this - is it necessary to begin training the watermelons =
when they're smal and then move them to progressively larger boxes? Or =
can you put the babies in to a big box and expect them to "square up" =
when they hit the limits?
I found some info on the web about a guy in the US who accidentally grew =
square watermelons when he set the vine on top of a concrete block. He =
had to break the block to get the fruit out. One of my kids suggested =
using concrete blocksto form a perminter.
Which article did you come across?
Adriana, Maybe a few of the "creative" minds out there can come up =
with the plans for the boxes to use to grow the "cubic" melons. If we =
start production on the boxes, by next spring we should have enough to =
have a crop for next year. Any suggestions on design??
By the way, I was checking out some sites on "U-Pick Strawberries" and =
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| Message 16
Subject: Re: "Cubic" watermelons
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 23:55:32 -0500
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