Aquaponics Digest - Fri 06/22/01
Message 1: RE: super oxygenated water
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 2: Perlite and fluoride
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 3: Re: super oxygenated water
from "Arlos"
Message 4: Re: Perlite and fluoride
from LC543119 'at' aol.com
Message 5: Re: Perlite and fluoride
from kris book
Message 6: RE: super oxygenated water
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 7: RE: Perlite and fluoride
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 8: OT: Tilapia hatchery methods/Head knowledge vs talent
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
| Message 1
Subject: RE: super oxygenated water
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 01:18:29 -0500
Hi Kris,
I am new to this list but wanted to share some insights.
My experiences with water in general began years ago as a
wastewater treatment plant operator. Then I began looking
into water as it related to my health and health problems.
In general Arlos is right about living in a world of 21%
oxygen
.BUT many places in the world
are oxygen depleted from too many cars, too few trees etc.
Most people don't breathe properly or eat in a way that supports
proper blood PH and dissolved oxygen levels which (I feel)
contributes to many health problems.
Water with higher dissolved oxygen levels (whether from ozone or
chlorine dioxide, etc.) can increase dissolved oxygen levels in the
blood
.but the BEST thing people can do for proper blood levels
is learn to breathe! Westerners are terrible breathers.
Products like this are usually expensive. I don't drink tap water
(too much calcium carbonate, chlorine and sodium fluorosilicate here)
but don't buy expensive products anymore either. I ozonate reverse
osmosis water and add a mineral supplement. Save your money and take
a deep breath.
regards,
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com
[mailto:aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com]On Behalf Of kris book
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 2:28 PM
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Cc: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Subject: super oxygenated water
Does anyone have experience with this super oxygenated water.
www.lifeo2.com
kris book
| Message 2
Subject: Perlite and fluoride
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 02:44:44 -0500
Hello everyone,
In an earlier discussion about perlite vs. pea gravel,
perlite was mentioned as being an excellent hydroponic
medium (which it is) but it is not without it's drawbacks.
Many sources of perlite contain fluoride which can cause
tip burn in plants that are sensitive to it. But what
concerns me more is that many may be handling perlite
in a way that increases their exposure to fluoride
and that we are adding even more of this toxic substance
to the environment.
As far as our plants are concerned, it leaches out of the
medium and calcium can tie up the fluoride so it doesn't
harm the plants. But the leachate has to go someplace and
there are WAY too many fluoride compounds in our environment
already. We have been dumping tons of sodium fluorosilcate
and hydrofluosilicic acid into our municipal water supply
for decades. I won't get into the consequences of this but
there are many and after working in the water and wastewater
field for 11 yrs, I feel that we have to look at the entire
picture
.both the good and bad
.of our methods, mediums, etc.
If you are considering using perlite, please take precautions
in handling it. The purpose of this isn't to say the perlite
advocates shouldn't be using it
.it's just to present another side.
The fluoride aspect of perlite seldom ever gets mentioned and
I think it should be considered.
regards,
Mark
| Message 3
Subject: Re: super oxygenated water
From: "Arlos"
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 07:15:17 -0700
Mark,
Not to start a string of dissent here but the entire planet at sea level
has essentially the same percent of oxygen in the atmosphere. Polluting
autos not withstanding.
As an operator you should know that chlorine is cheap and has for the most
part separated us from the third world. We as a species have bode well on
the water this planet has provided for millions of years dissolved minerals
and all. If you read the AWWA journals you know also there are changes
taking place in disinfection methods. Chlorine and fluoride are indeed
abundant, ozone is expensive and has little trace due to a short life.
Reverse osmosis in this country has yet to find broad usage and is still
expensive. By products of disinfection do have their drawbacks but in terms
of the learning curve historically we are engaging newer environmentally
friendly technologies that will have shown chlorine was the correct method
due to its ease of producing (I've installed enough EDR equipment to produce
chlorine from sea water at desalination plants world wide to know). Spend
enough time in other countries and one finds its greener on the other side
and not in ways you'd care to experience. I for one am happy with tap water
in general in the U.S.and the infrastructure that has provided it. We have
an amazingly high quality of life over all due to clean water in this
country. Thanks to everyone from plumbers and pipefitters to engineers and
operators and lab rats (the ones in the white coats). As an operator, you're
part of that and should have a certain amount of pride in protecting the
health of the nation.
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Allen Wells
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Thursday, June 21, 2001 11:18 PM
Subject: RE: super oxygenated water
>Hi Kris,
>
>I am new to this list but wanted to share some insights.
>My experiences with water in general began years ago as a
>wastewater treatment plant operator. Then I began looking
>into water as it related to my health and health problems.
>In general Arlos is right about living in a world of 21%
>oxygen
.BUT many places in the world
>are oxygen depleted from too many cars, too few trees etc.
>Most people don't breathe properly or eat in a way that supports
>proper blood PH and dissolved oxygen levels which (I feel)
>contributes to many health problems.
>
>Water with higher dissolved oxygen levels (whether from ozone or
>chlorine dioxide, etc.) can increase dissolved oxygen levels in the
>blood
.but the BEST thing people can do for proper blood levels
>is learn to breathe! Westerners are terrible breathers.
>
>Products like this are usually expensive. I don't drink tap water
>(too much calcium carbonate, chlorine and sodium fluorosilicate here)
>but don't buy expensive products anymore either. I ozonate reverse
>osmosis water and add a mineral supplement. Save your money and take
>a deep breath.
>
>regards,
>Mark
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com
>[mailto:aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com]On Behalf Of kris book
>Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 2:28 PM
>To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>Cc: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>Subject: super oxygenated water
>
>
>Does anyone have experience with this super oxygenated water.
>www.lifeo2.com
>
>kris book
>
| Message 4
Subject: Re: Perlite and fluoride
From: LC543119 'at' aol.com
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 10:57:03 EDT
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The only thing that research has come up with in so far as flouride in
perlite is concerned is that it will hurt any of the lily family,for a small
period of time until it leaches out ,all of the research in europe and the US
finds no other problems. Gordon Creaser
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The only thing that research has come up with in
so far as flouride in
perlite is concerned is that it will hurt any of the lily family,for a small
period of time until it leaches out ,all of the research in europe and the US
finds no other problems. Gordon Creaser
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Subject: Re: Perlite and fluoride
From: kris book
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 09:28:00 -0600
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Gordon,
Please explain what are the advantages of expanded perlite. Do you use
perlite in the commercial aquaponics systems you install?
kris book
On Fri, 22 Jun 2001 10:57:03 EDT LC543119 'at' aol.com writes:
The only thing that research has come up with in so far as flouride in
perlite is concerned is that it will hurt any of the lily family,for a
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the US
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kris book
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| Message 6
Subject: RE: super oxygenated water
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 10:44:23 -0500
Arlos,
I'm not in the field anymore but I was proud to be a part of it.
What I wasn't proud of is how many officials stick with bad science
despite over-whelming evidence (ie fluoridation). We are mass
medicating society with a toxic substance for a non-contagious
disease. The whole thing is a farce and many in charge know it.
But the ag industry has tons of the stuff it needs to dispose of
so we dump it in our drinking water.
I won't get into it too deep here, but for me, the tap water where I live
also has too much calcium carbonate (I have removed it from
hundreds of water meters with hydrochloric acid). We use ag lime
to remove heavy metals but the lime stays in the water.
This stuff is very hard for the human body to break down (our
stomachs don't produce that much hydrochloric acid).
I drink lots of water
.no pop
.little tea, some juice. I said
I don't use the products kris mentioned. My water costs less
than 40 cents a gallon which is less than one can of pop. I like
the taste better and for me
.it is money well spent.
Yes we enjoy many things 3rd world countries don't but yet we
have the highest cancer rates of any industrialized nation. My
wife's cancer was one of cancers they have found to be more common
in fluoridated areas. If I can easily remove something that has
the potential for harm from my water
.I will.
thanks for thoughts arlos,
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com
[mailto:aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com]On Behalf Of Arlos
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 9:15 AM
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Subject: Re: super oxygenated water
Mark,
Not to start a string of dissent here but the entire planet at sea level
has essentially the same percent of oxygen in the atmosphere. Polluting
autos not withstanding.
As an operator you should know that chlorine is cheap and has for the most
part separated us from the third world. We as a species have bode well on
the water this planet has provided for millions of years dissolved minerals
and all. If you read the AWWA journals you know also there are changes
taking place in disinfection methods. Chlorine and fluoride are indeed
abundant, ozone is expensive and has little trace due to a short life.
Reverse osmosis in this country has yet to find broad usage and is still
expensive. By products of disinfection do have their drawbacks but in terms
of the learning curve historically we are engaging newer environmentally
friendly technologies that will have shown chlorine was the correct method
due to its ease of producing (I've installed enough EDR equipment to produce
chlorine from sea water at desalination plants world wide to know). Spend
enough time in other countries and one finds its greener on the other side
and not in ways you'd care to experience. I for one am happy with tap water
in general in the U.S.and the infrastructure that has provided it. We have
an amazingly high quality of life over all due to clean water in this
country. Thanks to everyone from plumbers and pipefitters to engineers and
operators and lab rats (the ones in the white coats). As an operator, you're
part of that and should have a certain amount of pride in protecting the
health of the nation.
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Allen Wells
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Thursday, June 21, 2001 11:18 PM
Subject: RE: super oxygenated water
>Hi Kris,
>
>I am new to this list but wanted to share some insights.
>My experiences with water in general began years ago as a
>wastewater treatment plant operator. Then I began looking
>into water as it related to my health and health problems.
>In general Arlos is right about living in a world of 21%
>oxygen
.BUT many places in the world
>are oxygen depleted from too many cars, too few trees etc.
>Most people don't breathe properly or eat in a way that supports
>proper blood PH and dissolved oxygen levels which (I feel)
>contributes to many health problems.
>
>Water with higher dissolved oxygen levels (whether from ozone or
>chlorine dioxide, etc.) can increase dissolved oxygen levels in the
>blood
.but the BEST thing people can do for proper blood levels
>is learn to breathe! Westerners are terrible breathers.
>
>Products like this are usually expensive. I don't drink tap water
>(too much calcium carbonate, chlorine and sodium fluorosilicate here)
>but don't buy expensive products anymore either. I ozonate reverse
>osmosis water and add a mineral supplement. Save your money and take
>a deep breath.
>
>regards,
>Mark
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com
>[mailto:aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com]On Behalf Of kris book
>Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 2:28 PM
>To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>Cc: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>Subject: super oxygenated water
>
>
>Does anyone have experience with this super oxygenated water.
>www.lifeo2.com
>
>kris book
>
| Message 7
Subject: RE: Perlite and fluoride
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 10:44:25 -0500
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Thanks for the feedback Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com
[mailto:aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com]On Behalf Of LC543119 'at' aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 9:57 AM
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Subject: Re: Perlite and fluoride
The only thing that research has come up with in so far as flouride in
perlite is concerned is that it will hurt any of the lily family,for a
small
period of time until it leaches out ,all of the research in europe and the
US
finds no other problems. Gordon Creaser
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| Message 8
Subject: OT: Tilapia hatchery methods/Head knowledge vs talent
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 17:59:16 -0700
Bruce this is the type of stuff Id wish to read a lot more of but never
did! This is fantastic, and Ill be moving in this direction to showcase
some of my desigs and equipment. Many peoplehere will not buy a "cat in
the bag", so it is all good if I can have a sytem running and one to
show just how all things intereact, plus sell a few fish as a side biz
.You are so right and I will be doing some research on the fsh you
recommended.
I believe luckily in each of us being inherently blessed with talents,
and I dont think University life can teach you the talents you have from
birth. Today was a lesson in humility and I learnt that in a funny
way
.Bella my lil bros dog is feeling a little clingy as most folks
here at home have sprung the nest for the summer
. soshe came looking
for me and ate some ants poison I set made with boric acid
I had to drench her with "bisi tea" (cola nuts
powdered
.a powerful
detoxificant
) as she had in the night scratched on our door and come
up to the top of the stairs of the apartment where I had set a load of
the condense milk/sardine oil/boric acid ants bait
. and she ate it
all
. finding it wasnt what she needed, she threw it all back up at the
bottom of the stairs and while she was at it just let off a dump in the
passageway too
:)
Every summer I see the signs of her getting real "clingy" I think she
needs more interaction with humans when theyre not that many people
around.
So I drenched her with bisi and she threw up over me
:) It was funny,
there I was sitting wet with her stuff all over me and then she looked
at me like poor thing. I said to her
. come girl
. drink
and pointed
to the water bowl laced with bisi poor thing every time she walked over
to it and smelt it, she went over to the coconut tree and retched. It
was funny. So I said good girl and she comes over, I stroke her and tell
her the virtues of drinking the stuff and then everytime I stroke her
and said good girl and pointed to the bowl she would look at me almost
repentant, and go and drink again
it was a lesson in speaking to the
animals instead of forcing them!!
She has drunk a good amount and retched a lot too, so I feel she is
purged. She is fine now it seems.
Taking time with animals including fish, is not something all of us have
the patience to do
!! Thats why I believe if you were able to run a
hatchery successfully and look after fish, then you are blessed and
talented!! Many person's with Doctorates and Diplomas do worse!!
I for once find your posts intriguing and I do follow whatever you
write, no matter what style of eagle clw typing or crazy descriptions!!
:> :>
Take care!
Mike.
Bruce Schreiber wrote:
> You could use (Synodontus Multipunktotus ) A popular cuckoo stile breeding African catfish
in with your Tilapia and let the Tilapia females make you $100 or more every time she
incubates a batch of fry in a system like this.
> Now ad 30 more females and you will make $3000 or more per month. I am
> not kidding its doable.
> Just a few thoughts hope you can use them. I should have gone to
> college but I still do alright I guess .If I could use my other 9
> fingers to type it would help though
> Bruce
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