Aquaponics Digest - Mon 07/09/01



Message   1: Re: Floor Insulation
             from "Leslie Ter Morshuizen"


Message   2: Links not working
             from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com

Message   3: Fish Species for Aquaponics
             from Troa9 'at' aol.com

Message   4: Re: Floor Insulation
             from "Chris Jeppesen" 

Message   5: newbie
             from "Robert Rogers"


Message   6: Re: newbie
             from Peggy & Emmett


Message   7: Florida
             from "Robert Rogers"


Message   8: RE: Fish Species for Aquaponics
             from "Mark Allen Wells"


Message   9: Re: Fish Species for Aquaponics
             from "bennett" 

Message  10: RE: Fish Species for Aquaponics
             from "Mark Allen Wells"


Message  11: Re: Floor Insulation
             from "Leslie Ter Morshuizen"


Message  12: Re: Florida
             from Peggy & Emmett


Message  13: Re: Fish Scrape injuries
             from "F.Carl Uhland"


Message  14: Florida
             from "Robert Rogers"


Message  15: fish scrape
             from "Robert Rogers"


Message  16: RE: Florida
             from "Lieu, Phuong"


Message  17: Re: Florida
             from Peggy & Emmett


Message  18: alellopathy
             from Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com

Message  19: Re: alellopathy
             from Peggy & Emmett


Message  20: Re: Cool Space Portable Evap Cooler
             from "Steven Medlock" 

Message  21: Re: I built a solar liquid piston pump!
             from Bill Patrick 

Message  22: Re: alellopathy
             from "TGTX" 

Message  23: RE: Fish Species for Aquaponics
             from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)

Message  24: More of Ted's Rabid Far Right Wing
Ranting: Federal Wind Farm tax credit
             from "TGTX" 

Message  25: Continued off topic messages
             from "Robby Richards"


Message  26: Re: Archive
             from S & S Aqua Farm


Message  27: Re: Continued off topic messages
             from "Arlos"


Message  28: Re:  off topic Shark message
             from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)

Message  29: Re: off topic Shark message
             from "Arlos"


Message  30: Re: Shark Attack
             from "MvrK" 

Message  31: RE: More of Ted's Rabid Far Right Wing
Ranting: Federal Wind Farm tax credit
             from "Mark Allen Wells"


Message  32: Re: alellopathy
             from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com

Message  33: Re: off topic Shark message
             from "Chris Jeppesen" 

Message  34: Re: Continued off topic messages
             from kris book 

| Message 1

Subject: Re: Floor Insulation
From:    "Leslie Ter Morshuizen"

Date:    Mon, 9 Jul 2001 07:45:28 +0200

Hi Chris

What depth does your foam extend to?  What thickness
and quality foam did
you use?

Water is a good conductor of heat and moist soil, as
is ever present below a
tunnel, will conduct heat flow in all directions =
heat loss.  I understand
the point that the heat will be stopped from moving
sideways by insulating
as Bruce suggested, but why should it not move
downwards?  This is not
convection we are debating, but conduction.

Regards,
                Leslie

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Jeppesen 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, 08 July, 2001 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: Floor Insulation

> Leslie
> Heat will mostly rise with only some sideways from
conduction and even
less down. It's just a law writen before time.
> My foam is in the trench on the side walls.
> chris
>
> > "Leslie Ter Morshuizen" 

Re: Floor InsulationDate: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 08:00:42
+0200
> >Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
> >
> >Hi Bruce
> >
> >Why should the heat move laterally and not down?
Surely the insulation
> >would have to be below the floor to prevent
vertical heat loss?
> >
> >Regards,
> >                Leslie
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Bruce Schreiber 
> >To: 
> >Sent: Saturday, 07 July, 2001 11:51 PM
> >Subject: Re: Floor Insulation
> >
> >
> >> Steven Medlock  if you dig a trench around your
green house and heavily
> >> insulate it you should than have a big heat
sink/floor combination that
> >> would  save heat to radiate back into the green
house on cold nights
> >> .Just a Theoretical Aquaponists thought
> >>                       Bruce
> >>
>
>
>
>
>

>  
>  

| Message 2

Subject: Links not working
From:    dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date:    Mon, 09 Jul 2001 01:39:08 -0700

David Atkinson wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Carolyn Hoagland 
> To: ; Alex McGregor
> 
> snip , 
. snip 

> 
> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 6:36 PM
> Subject: I built a solar liquid piston pump!
> 
> > It looks kind of like the liquid piston pump at
the top of this page:
> >
> >
http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/stirling.htm:
> >
> 
> Reply:
> 
> The above website could not be located on the
server.
> 
> David A
> (Jamaica W.I.)
> 
> 

Whenever a link doesnt come up blue, (hyperlinked
.)
look for a
mistake
 if even a word, letter, or in this case a
colon follows the
link, it will nullify the effect of it coming up as a
link.

Try

http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/stirling.htm
!
as opposed to

http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/stirling.htm

!

Hehheehe

Ohh the hacker in me
. :>

See ya,
Mike.

| Message 3

Subject: Fish Species for Aquaponics
From:    Troa9 'at' aol.com
Date:    Mon, 9 Jul 2001 08:47:02 EDT

   Asking anyone if they have tried fish other than
Tilapia with any 
success,,,,I refer to Peacock Bass or the Giant Hybrid
Blue Gill,,,I am in 
South Florida,,very warm here,,,   Jason

| Message 4

Subject: Re: Floor Insulation
From:    "Chris Jeppesen" 
Date:    Mon, 9 Jul 2001 06:01:31 -0700

Leslie 
I used 1" (blue construction grade nofoil) foam down 2
feet because I divided the the square feet in to my
check book aand got all I could aford. $20 a sheet
here in central Utah.
If I money was no concern at all I would have used 2"
down four feet.
Most places in a temperat climate the soil 4' deep
will be about 40 degrees farinheit. a this is a
sufficient buffer from the out side temp.
I have a 20 X 40 steel hoop house with 2 800 gal.
tanks and 10 4X8 X1 growbeds. I errected it in
November and got water in one Nod in December. After I
had the pumps going about 10 dec. my ait temp never
fell below 40 F and my water never went below 50 F.
I am hopeing to to better this winter with water in
both nodes and a little summer heat in the soil.
Chris

>What depth does your foam extend to?  What thickness
and quality foam did
>you use?
>

| Message 5

Subject: newbie
From:    "Robert Rogers" 
Date:    Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:14:38 -0400

Hello everyone, I'm new here, in the mail group. I am
not presently in the
aquaponics business,but trying to decide if I want to
take the plunge. Any
input would be of help, ie minimum size for a
profitable operation, crops
that work well, etc.
   My setup will be in Florida.
I know that my question is so broad that books could
be filled with the info
I am looking for, but I am just starting my research
and any direction would
be of help.
                             Thanks, Bob

| Message 6

Subject: Re: newbie
From:    Peggy & Emmett 
Date:    Mon, 09 Jul 2001 09:24:46 -0400

At 09:14 AM 7/9/2001 -0400, Robert Rogers wrote:
>>   My setup will be in Florida.
>I know that my question is so broad that books could
be filled with the info
>I am looking for, but I am just starting my research
and any direction would
>be of help.
>                             Thanks, Bob
>
>
Where in Florida?    

.Emmett

| Message 7

Subject: Florida
From:    "Robert Rogers" 
Date:    Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:36:45 -0400

I am presently looking for some property around the
Ft. Myers area. I am in
Louisville KY now. I lived in fla.from '81- '95 now
ready to move back

| Message 8

Subject: RE: Fish Species for Aquaponics
From:    "Mark Allen Wells" 
Date:    Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:13:33 -0500

Hi Jason,
I'm up north in Indiana but I'm getting ready to try
the
hybrid bluegill on a small scale.  I've nothing
against 
tilapia
.great fish for aquaculture
.I just wanted
to
try the bluegill which is a very popular sportfish and
great eating.  

Mark

This is to a white paper on the status and needs of
sunfish
aquaculture in the north central region.

http://ag.ansc.purdue.edu/aquanic/ncrac/wpapers/sunfish32900.htm

| Message 9

Subject: Re: Fish Species for Aquaponics
From:    "bennett" 
Date:    Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:17:12 -0400

>hybrid bluegill on a small scale.  I've nothing
against 
>tilapia
.great fish for aquaculture
.I just wanted
to
>try the bluegill which is a very popular sportfish
and
>
About how long does it take to grow out bluegill for
decent pan fish?

| Message 10

Subject: RE: Fish Species for Aquaponics
From:    "Mark Allen Wells" 
Date:    Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:32:35 -0500

>About how long does it take to grow out bluegill for
decent pan fish?

I'm not sure.  Some of the hybrids grow pretty fast
and devour pellet food.  I suspect a difference in
the hybrid strains too. The link Steve (I think)
posted to Ken's fishfarm in Georgia had some nice 
ones.  The thing for me is they are readily available
here in smaller quantities.  I doubt if the hybrids
will match the tilapia but should reach market weight
of 1/2 pound in a growing season.  Can the slower
growth
rate be offset by a higher price for the product?  I'd
like to find out.  The hydrid bluegill is recognizable
by name to most where tilapia isn't YET in some areas.
I read somewhere that some were marketing tilapia as
african bluegill
.lol.  This is illegal and was
stopped.
Anyhow, growth rates are something I will be watching
closely.

ever see a 5 lb hydrid bluegill?
http://www.kens-fishfarm.com/georgia_giant.asp 

Mark

| Message 11

Subject: Re: Floor Insulation
From:    "Leslie Ter Morshuizen"

Date:    Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:21:43 +0200

Hi Chris

I look forward to hearing your results next season.
40F (4C) is about
20C too cool for me, my outside temperature really
drops to 4C.

Have fun,
                Leslie

> Leslie
> I used 1" (blue construction grade nofoil) foam down
2 feet because I
divided the the square feet in to my check book aand
got all I could aford.
$20 a sheet here in central Utah.
> If I money was no concern at all I would have used
2" down four feet.
> Most places in a temperat climate the soil 4' deep
will be about 40
degrees farinheit. a this is a sufficient buffer from
the out side temp.
> I have a 20 X 40 steel hoop house with 2 800 gal.
tanks and 10 4X8 X1
growbeds. I errected it in November and got water in
one Nod in December.
After I had the pumps going about 10 dec. my ait temp
never fell below 40 F
and my water never went below 50 F.
> I am hopeing to to better this winter with water in
both nodes and a
little summer heat in the soil.
> Chris
>

| Message 12

Subject: Re: Florida
From:    Peggy & Emmett 
Date:    Mon, 09 Jul 2001 14:46:12 -0400

At 09:36 AM 7/9/2001 -0400, Robert Rogers wrote:
>I am presently looking for some property around the
Ft. Myers area. I am in
>Louisville KY now. I lived in fla.from '81- '95 now
ready to move back
>
>
OK Robert.  My greenhouse is in Palm Harbor just north
of Clearwater.  It's
down now.  Daytime temps running 110F.  I'll be
seeding at the end of the
month.  Transplanting in Sept. for a late Nov.
harvest.  C'mon by sometime
on your way south.  Just let me know.  Check out the
Pine Island area.
Don't know about property prices but fishing is great.
Hooked four tarpon
over 120lb Memorial Day weekend (ah didn't land any
though).  
Emmett

| Message 13

Subject: Re: Fish Scrape injuries
From:    "F.Carl Uhland" 
Date:    Mon, 09 Jul 2001 14:51:22 -0400

Mike,

There are a number of bacteria that hang out on fish,
and can act as=20
zoonoses (diseases transferred from animal to man) in
just the way you=20
describe.  I would go have a chin-wag with your doctor
to be on the safe=
 side.

Carl

and see if some antibiotherapy might be in order.  If
he tells you it's=20
just the flu, At 14:26 06-07-01 -0700, you wrote:
>Has anyone any ideas or experiences with infections
from fish fin
>jabs/sticks/pokes that they could share?
>
>After handling a lot of fish last week and getting
stabbed a few times
>Ive now had pain in my hand-joints for a week. Im not
sure if this is
>from the seine net, or from a flu-like bug going
around, but I do recall
>a news article in Canada re infections caused by fish
store owners
>getting stabbed by fish fins, can anyone share some
thoughts please??
>
>I think this aspect of job safety may be an
interesting discussion
>point??!
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mike
>JAMAICA

F. Carl Uhland, DVM
Facult=E9 M=E9decine V=E9t=E9rinaire
University of Montreal
3200 rue Sicotte
Saint-Hyacinthe (Qu=E9bec) J2S 7C6
T=E9l: 450-773-8521; ext: 8317
Fax: 450-778-8116
Carl.F.Uhland 'at' umontreal.ca

| Message 14

Subject: Florida
From:    "Robert Rogers" 
Date:    Mon, 9 Jul 2001 15:08:39 -0400

I used to stay on Pine island some, south end St.
James City, have done lots
of fishing in Boca Grande Pass. Great tarpon there.

 What are you growing? tomato? Is it possible to grow
in greenhouse in
winter and shade house in summer?
I am wondering about possibility of raising tilapia
&high quality herbs,
veggies for the restuarant trade. I also see a good
profit in the
ornamentals

| Message 15

Subject: fish scrape
From:    "Robert Rogers" 
Date:    Mon, 9 Jul 2001 15:14:10 -0400

I have done some commercial fishing in gulf of mexico.
We would get what we
called fish poisoning, would be open septic sores, the
docter told me it was
staph. and would treat with antibiotics. We were
grouper fishing.

| Message 16

Subject: RE: Florida
From:    "Lieu, Phuong"

Date:    Mon, 9 Jul 2001 12:18:23 -0700

for some reason, I am on your mailing list.  
Can you please remove my name?
Thanks 

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Rogers [mailto:bigwahoo 'at' bellsouth.net]
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:09 PM
To: aquaponics mail group
Subject: Florida

I used to stay on Pine island some, south end St.
James City, have done lots
of fishing in Boca Grande Pass. Great tarpon there.

 What are you growing? tomato? Is it possible to grow
in greenhouse in
winter and shade house in summer?
I am wondering about possibility of raising tilapia
&high quality herbs,
veggies for the restuarant trade. I also see a good
profit in the
ornamentals

| Message 17

Subject: Re: Florida
From:    Peggy & Emmett 
Date:    Mon, 09 Jul 2001 15:34:59 -0400

At 03:08 PM 7/9/2001 -0400, Robert Rogers wrote:
>
> What are you growing? tomato? Is it possible to grow
in greenhouse in
>winter and shade house in summer?
>I am wondering about possibility of raising tilapia
&high quality herbs,
>veggies for the restuarant trade. I also see a good
profit in the
>ornamentals

Your questions are too deep, the answers too long.
Better to drop by and
observe.  I can grow anything.  But I encountered
allelopathy.  A term I
never knew until it hit me. C'mon by.   Oh, by the
way, we got our tarpon
on the Peace River south of Burnt Store.   
.Emmett

| Message 18

Subject: alellopathy
From:    Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
Date:    Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:06:11 -0400

Could you please expand on this subject? Which crops
released the toxins
and which crops were suppressed?
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| Message 19

Subject: Re: alellopathy
From:    Peggy & Emmett 
Date:    Mon, 09 Jul 2001 17:04:01 -0400

At 04:06 PM 7/9/2001 -0400,
Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com wrote:
>
>Could you please expand on this subject? Which crops
released the toxins
>and which crops were suppressed?

Good question.  Besides tomatoes, I had :   D'Avignon
radish,  watercress,
shungiku, and sorrel.  My tomatoes didn't grow well
and I had severe algae
problems in the fish tank.  Removing these plants,
planting basil, and
putting in great quantities of fish emulsion (to get
the bacteria cookin')
the system cleared up.  Without the requisite
biochemistry needed, I
suspect the watercress.  'Nasturtium'.  It grew like
crazy.  {Tom &
Paula----see what you've gotten me into?}.   Besides
the tomatoes the other
three didn't do all that great but OK.  But the cress
went ballistic.    As
an aside you are obviously a "tinkerer". Hmmm,
internet searches are
wonderful.   I was the photogrophy editor on my junior
college paper.  It
just goes with the territory.   

I think it's allelopathy not alellopathy.  Perhaps
you're correct.  I don't
have a botanical dictionary.  But allelomorphism
describes mutually
incompatible characters or qualities.

Are we having a good time or what?
Adriana

Tedzo

.comments?

Emmett

| Message 20

Subject: Re: Cool Space Portable Evap Cooler
From:    "Steven Medlock" 
Date:    Mon, 9 Jul 2001 17:07:12 -0500

This is very close to the swamp cooler I am using in
my greenhouse. Just
more effecient.
Red
----- Original Message -----
From: TGTX 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 12:06 PM
Subject: Cool Space Portable Evap Cooler

> Completely Portable, on 4 casters.  8" thick pads
for greater temperature
> drops, up to 28 degrees cooler.  High air
volume

.up to 10,000 CFM yet
> quiet.
>
> http://www.cool-space.com   1-800-557-5715
>
>
>
>

| Message 21

Subject: Re: I built a solar liquid piston pump!
From:    Bill Patrick 
Date:    Mon, 09 Jul 2001 19:38:40 -0400

Way to go Carolyn!  Two questions:

1. What did you use for your check valves (or "ball
valves" as called in
the diagram)?
2. What size PVC did you use?

Thanks,
Bill

Carolyn Hoagland wrote:
> 
> It looks kind of like the liquid piston pump at the
top of this page:
> 
> 
http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1135/stirling.htm

> 
> Carolyn Hoagland
> Sewanee, TN

| Message 22

Subject: Re: alellopathy
From:    "TGTX" 
Date:    Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:11:42 -0500

Uh, allellopathy

well let's see

when I was an
undergrad

decades
ago

 back before Ned was a pup

I did some
studies on the inhibition of
seed germination in an experiment with serial
concentrations of Gallic Acid,
which is a known allelleopathic agent exuded by roots
of some plants, and
which can give the established plant a competitive
edge against the seeds of
broadcast invasive plants coming 'round the
neighborhood and taking over the
established plants' territory.

Which gives me another opportunity to rant and rave
about the ability of
plant roots to exchange at least medium sized organic
molecules.  That's a
potential 2 way exchange, folks.  If plant roots can
leak up to 20% of the
plants photosynthate products

.and some of their
metabolic
byproducts

like Malic Acid, and Gallic Acid,
etc,  then who among
us can say that some of the at least medium sized
organic compounds in the
soil or the growth media can't go the opposite
direction and eventually
provide nutrients to the plant?  Eh?

I have read that you shouldn't grow dill next to
anything.  This whole
companion planting thing seems to indicate that plant
roots can exude
certain biochemicals which inhibit or support other,
very different kinds of
plants

if that is the case, then doesn't it lend
credence to the notion
that endomycorhizzae and bacteria etc are actively
exchanging all kinds of
organics with the plant for perhaps mutual benefit?
Eh?

Ted

>
> Are we having a good time or what?
Adriana

Tedzo

.comments?
> 

Emmett
>

| Message 23

Subject: RE: Fish Species for Aquaponics
From:    fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date:    Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:24:22 -0500 (CDT)

Mark were in Indiana are you located 
                       Bruce 

| Message 24

Subject: More of Ted's Rabid Far Right Wing Ranting:
Federal Wind Farm tax credit
From:    "TGTX" 
Date:    Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:30:44 -0500

Yeah, folks here it is

one of my favorite
subjects

.Farm
Power

People Power
Local Power
.Home Rule.
Just try to stuff me in a labeled box if you wish, but
check out the bill
and see if it appeals to you

.Wind Power is Cool.

>a newly introduced
> bill in the federal Congress, HR 2322, the "Home and
Farm Wind Systems
> Act
> of 2001". This bill has been introduced by Rep. J.C.
Watts, Jr (R-OK),
> and
> three other co-sponsors
> If you have any questions regarding this email,
please email Jeff D.Wofe
at
> global 'at' sover.net, with the term HR 2322 in the
Subject line.
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff
>
> Jeffery D. Wolfe, P.E.
> Chair - Renewable Energy Vermont
> 802-299-0099 REV's Phone
> 802-765-4632 Jeff's Phone
> 802-765-9983 Jeff's Fax
> global 'at' sover.net - Jeff's email
> http://www.REVermont.org

> MORE INFO
>
> Last week Rep. J.C. Watts, Jr (R-OK) and three other
Congressmen
> introduced
> HR 2322, the Home and Farm Wind Energy Systems Act
of 2001.  HR 2322
> would
> provide a 30% federal tax credit to individuals and
businesses that
> install
> small wind energy systems (up to 75 kW) during the
next ten years.  The
> credit would cover both on-grid and off-grid
systems.  The timing of HR
> 2322 is good because the U.S. House of
Representatives will start
> preparing
> an energy bill within the next few weeks.

>Background information, the AWEA press release, a
link to the
> bill
> language, can be found
> through the Bergey Windpower home page, 
http://www.bergey.com.

| Message 25

Subject: Continued off topic messages
From:    "Robby Richards" 
Date:    Mon, 9 Jul 2001 17:59:43 -0700

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Since the subject has been brought up, I completely
agree that there is w=
ay too much personal ranting going on. It is great if
friends keep in tou=
ch by emailing each other, but it is best served via a
private message so=
 that other people's time is not wasted sorting
through messages trying t=
o sort out the BS from informative messages on the
topic of the list-Aqua=
ponics.

Please post personal messages elsewhere for the good
of the entire group.

Thank you,

Robby Richards =20
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Thompson
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 9:31 PM
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Subject: Re: Admin stuff
 =20
Hi Paula:

Thanks SO MUCH for sending this note.
Some of the participants were really getting
out of control with the non-Aquaponics topics.

Best Regards,
Al

S & S Aqua Farm wrote:

> Have had little time lately to read, much less post
to the group -- but=
 we
> really need to "tune-up" our postings to keep the
list readable for eve=
ryone.
>
> Please change the subject line to reflect your topic
-- it seldom is do=
ne,
> and that's why we have so many problems searching
for that elusive bit =
of
> info in the posts we save -- unless we retitle it,
it's always a
> needle-in-a-haystack search.
>
> Please try to reduce the amount of quoted text from
previous posts when
> sending your new message.  One or two lines of your
own should really o=
nly
> apply to a small portion of the post to which you
are replying.  Since =
we've
> all just read the previous post, we really don't
need it all repeated.
>
> I came across this website on another list -- for
those new to the inte=
rnet
> and/or discussion groups, it's certainly worth a
read.
>
> http://www.albion.com/netiquette/
>
> I appreciate this group so much, and have enjoyed
ALL the recent topics
> (even if I won't go swimming in the ocean).  Thanks
for keeping the lis=
t so
> interesting!
>
> Paula
> S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains,
MO 65775  417-256-51=
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> Web page  http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/

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<= DIV>Since the subject has been brought up, I completely agree that t= here is way too much personal ranting going on. It is great if friends ke= ep in touch by emailing each other, but it is best served via a private m= essage so that other people's time is not wasted sorting through messages= trying to sort out the BS from informative messages on the topic of the = list-Aquaponics.
 
Please post personal messag= es elsewhere for the good of the entire group.
 
Thank you,
 
Robby Richards 
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Thompson
=
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 9:31 P= M
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com=
Subject: Re: Admin stuff
 
Hi Paula:

Thanks SO MUCH for sending this not= e.
Some of the participants were really getting
out of control with= the non-Aquaponics topics.

Best Regards,
Al

S & S A= qua Farm wrote:

> Have had little time lately to read, much les= s post to the group -- but we
> really need to "tune-up" our postin= gs to keep the list readable for everyone.
>
> Please change = the subject line to reflect your topic -- it seldom is done,
> and = that's why we have so many problems searching for that elusive bit of
= > info in the posts we save -- unless we retitle it, it's always a
= > needle-in-a-haystack search.
>
> Please try to reduce th= e amount of quoted text from previous posts when
> sending your new= message.  One or two lines of your own should really only
> a= pply to a small portion of the post to which you are replying.  Sinc= e we've
> all just read the previous post, we really don't need it = all repeated.
>
> I came across this website on another list = -- for those new to the internet
> and/or discussion groups, it's c= ertainly worth a read.
>
> http://www.albion.com/netiquette/<= BR>>
> I appreciate this group so much, and have enjoyed ALL the= recent topics
> (even if I won't go swimming in the ocean).  = Thanks for keeping the list so
> interesting!
>
> Paula=
> S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775&= nbsp; 417-256-5124
> Web page  http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/=

=_NextPart_001_0003_01C108A0.EE7ACF60-- | Message 26 Subject: Re: Archive From: S & S Aqua Farm Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 20:25:15 -0500 At 10:39 PM 07/05/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Hi all, > >Just looked at the archive web site that Marc sent and noticed that the >archive stopped after December 2000. Does anyone know where the rest is? > >Pete >Langley, BC Pete - building the archive files is done on a volunteer basis, and neither the webmaster nor I have been able to bring things current .just yet. Life has a way of interfering with the "best laid plans". My suggestion is that you post any specific questions you have, preferably one topic at a time, and let's see what the list members have to contribute. I'm always surprised at the changes that have come about through the various members' experiences .one of the reasons why I'm not necessarily in favor of a FAQ page. There have been very few exceptions where questions were not addressed, and I think it's healthy for the list to re-address some basic issues from time to time. I'm aware that there are automatic archiving programs that can be used, but have not been able to address this subject yet. When it comes down to it, given the recent "ownership" discussions I've read on other lists, I'm not certain that I'd be comfortable with just placing the archives just anywhere. Bottom line is -- if you have a question, please post it. Our membership is around 450 now, and I'm continually amazed at the background and expertise represented here. That's one of the reasons I don't discourage some of the off-topic postings --- I think we learn so much about the backgrounds of those contributing that we wouldn't necessarily see otherwise. Paula Speraneo S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124 Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/ | Message 27 Subject: Re: Continued off topic messages From: "Arlos" Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 18:41:33 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. =_NextPart_000_0011_01C108A6.C68B5D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robby, I can't remember ever having read that this was a strictly technical = board. I for one mix personal as well as technical as aquaponics is as = much vocation as avocation. As for BS? I'll leave my personal comment = for you on a private email. Arlos -----Original Message----- From: Robby Richards To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com Date: Monday, July 09, 2001 6:01 PM Subject: Continued off topic messages =20 =20 =20 Since the subject has been brought up, I completely agree that there = is way too much personal ranting going on. It is great if friends keep = in touch by emailing each other, but it is best served via a private = message so that other people's time is not wasted sorting through = messages trying to sort out the BS from informative messages on the = topic of the list-Aquaponics. =20 Please post personal messages elsewhere for the good of the entire = group. =20 Thank you, =20 Robby Richards=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Al Thompson Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 9:31 PM To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com Subject: Re: Admin stuff =20 Hi Paula: =20 Thanks SO MUCH for sending this note. Some of the participants were really getting out of control with the non-Aquaponics topics. =20 Best Regards, Al =20 S & S Aqua Farm wrote: =20 > Have had little time lately to read, much less post to the = group -- but we > really need to "tune-up" our postings to keep the list = readable for everyone. > > Please change the subject line to reflect your topic -- it = seldom is done, > and that's why we have so many problems searching for that = elusive bit of > info in the posts we save -- unless we retitle it, it's always = a > needle-in-a-haystack search. > > Please try to reduce the amount of quoted text from previous = posts when > sending your new message. One or two lines of your own should = really only > apply to a small portion of the post to which you are = replying. Since we've > all just read the previous post, we really don't need it all = repeated. > > I came across this website on another list -- for those new to = the internet > and/or discussion groups, it's certainly worth a read. > > http://www.albion.com/netiquette/ > > I appreciate this group so much, and have enjoyed ALL the = recent topics > (even if I won't go swimming in the ocean). Thanks for = keeping the list so > interesting! > > Paula > S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 = 417-256-5124 > Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/ =20 =_NextPart_000_0011_01C108A6.C68B5D20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Robby,
 
  I can't remember ever having read that = this was a=20 strictly technical board. I for one mix personal as well as technical as = aquaponics is as much vocation as avocation. As for BS? I'll leave my = personal=20 comment for you on a  private email .
 
Arlos
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Robby Richards <robbyrichards 'at' msn.com>
To:=20 aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com=20 <aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com>
= Date:=20 Monday, July 09, 2001 6:01 PM
Subject: Continued off = topic=20 messages

 
Since the subject has been brought up, I completely agree = that=20 there is way too much personal ranting going on. It is great if = friends keep=20 in touch by emailing each other, but it is best served via a private = message=20 so that other people's time is not wasted sorting through messages = trying to=20 sort out the BS from informative messages on the topic of the=20 list-Aquaponics.
 
Please post personal messages elsewhere for the good of the = entire=20 group.
 
Thank you,
 
Robby Richards 
----- Original Message = -----
From:=20 Al Thompson
Sent: Sunday, July 08, = 2001 9:31=20 PM
To: = aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Subject: Re: Admin = stuff
 
Hi Paula:

Thanks SO MUCH for sending = this=20 note.
Some of the participants were really getting
out of = control=20 with the non-Aquaponics topics.

Best = Regards,
Al

S=20 & S Aqua Farm wrote:

> Have had little time lately = to=20 read, much less post to the group -- but we
> really need = to=20 "tune-up" our postings to keep the list readable for=20 everyone.
>
> Please change the subject line to = reflect your=20 topic -- it seldom is done,
> and that's why we have so = many=20 problems searching for that elusive bit of
> info in the = posts we=20 save -- unless we retitle it, it's always a
> = needle-in-a-haystack=20 search.
>
> Please try to reduce the amount of = quoted text=20 from previous posts when
> sending your new message.  = One or=20 two lines of your own should really only
> apply to a = small=20 portion of the post to which you are replying.  Since = we've
>=20 all just read the previous post, we really don't need it all=20 repeated.
>
> I came across this website on another = list --=20 for those new to the internet
> and/or discussion groups, = it's=20 certainly worth a read.
>
>=20 http://www.albion.com/netiquette/
>
> I appreciate = this=20 group so much, and have enjoyed ALL the recent topics
> = (even if I=20 won't go swimming in the ocean).  Thanks for keeping the = list=20 so
> interesting!
>
> Paula
> S&S = Aqua Farm,=20 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775  = 417-256-5124
>=20 Web page =20 http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/

<= /HTML> =_NextPart_000_0011_01C108A6.C68B5D20-- | Message 28 Subject: Re: off topic Shark message From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 21:32:46 -0500 (CDT) Arlos I feel bad about the Bull Shark discussion that we had the other day it seems that a young boy was attacked in 2 feet of water down around Florida by a shark when on a family outing Yesterday and it bit his arm off and bit him in the inner thigh bleeding him out His Uncle got the shark to shore and of course it had to be a Bull shark. You know I think down on the gulf coast the Bull sharks are changing their feeding habits to include the very numerous though nocturnal Nutria much like the Great Whites feed on seals .The Nutria get about 30 lbs. and a shark thats been eating them for a while might mistake a person for one .What do you think. Bruce | Message 29 Subject: Re: off topic Shark message From: "Arlos" Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:55:35 -0700 Bruce, I'll reply off the board as this seems to have created some anger here over off topic subjects. Heck, I figure anything water related was fair game. Arlos -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Schreiber To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com Date: Monday, July 09, 2001 7:32 PM Subject: Re: off topic Shark message Arlos I feel bad about the Bull Shark discussion that we had the other day it seems that a young boy was attacked in 2 feet of water down around Florida by a shark when on a family outing Yesterday and it bit his arm off and bit him in the inner thigh bleeding him out His Uncle got the shark to shore and of course it had to be a Bull shark. You know I think down on the gulf coast the Bull sharks are changing their feeding habits to include the very numerous though nocturnal Nutria much like the Great Whites feed on seals .The Nutria get about 30 lbs. and a shark thats been eating them for a while might mistake a person for one .What do you think. Bruce | Message 30 Subject: Re: Shark Attack From: "MvrK" Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 20:17:51 -0700 (PDT) hi all, I just saw this headline today just before reading the shark thread that has been circulating on the group for the past few days. Now, an 8 year old kid got hit in knee deepwater by a 7' bull shark and had his arm torn off. Follow the links you see on that headline page for those interested in knowing more. I just hope noone goes out and starts killing sharks, we go into their territory so we gotta play by their rules, by showing respect and staying out of their way and letting them live how they were made to without human intervention(shark diving adventures, feeding trips, chumming, etc) As time goes by fish harvests from geographic regions where sharks live actually deprive them of their food sources. This spells trouble, shark attacks are only going to increase. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010709/us/shark_attack.html http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010709/ts/life_shark_dc_2.html I have seen a documentary on I think on either. discovery travel channel or national geographic or E! at some point in time and watched many others I like nature basically especially anything about aquatic life. here goes: A dare devil photographer can get great white sharks to take "upward dives" and somersaults just like they make killer whales and the "flipper dolphins" so at the seaquariums. You see some big bloated great white shark posing for the camera .teeth and all. If anyone wants to really know I can tell them what I saw. I think it's important for everyone to know that sharks don't know the difference between a person that holds food for them or one that doesn't they simply see all as one .FOOD it's the same way for crocodiles, that don't know the difference. I have even read of cases recently (www.bbc.co.uk) where people in lake malawi have an increasing fear and rate of croc attacks read all about the sharks I am not sure if anyone posted this already but nevertheless take a look. http://www.sharkfeeding.net/index1.html http://www.sharkfeeding.net/bull_sharks.htm sory about the long post. Jai __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ | Message 31 Subject: RE: More of Ted's Rabid Far Right Wing Ranting: Federal Wind Farm tax credit From: "Mark Allen Wells" Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 23:23:13 -0500 >Just try to stuff me in a labeled box if you wish, but check out the bill and see if it appeals to you .Wind Power is Cool. Ted, I hope the bill goes through .thanks for posting it. I'm emailing my elected officials. The only energy crisis is one made by politics and greed. Let's say a farmer here in Indiana is an independant kind of guy. His home and buildings are heated by the corn he grows. Now he wants to harvest the wind to run his well, lights and aquaponics equipment maybe share the excess with his neighbor. Indiana's netmetering law will let him deduct the amount produced from the amount consumed up to 1000kw hours. The rest is DONATED back to the utility so they can sell it to his neighbor. Minnesota is the only state I am aware of where it's utilities have to pay it's netmetering customers the retail rate. Things have to change. I read recently where our excess sugar crop is going to be used to produce ethanol. Every year, millions of bushels of corn rot that could produce fuel. If George Washington, George Washington Carver, Thomas Jefferson, etc. would have had their way, things would be a lot different today. Hopefully, soon farmers will be harvesting more than food they will be harvesting energy. ya shouldn't have got me started, Ted.Mark | Message 32 Subject: Re: alellopathy From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 23:33:06 -0700 Could we start a list here, can be featured later on a FAQ page somewhere . of all the plant that act allelomorphically?? Ted wrote; I have read that you shouldn't grow dill next to anything. Ok, so here goes the list. Please fill in more.Didnt someone on the list have problems too with this recently?? 1. Dill, acts XYZ (ically) on Y. (in this case all? plants as Ted suggests. Peggy & Emmett wrote: D'Avignon radish, watercress, > shungiku, and sorrel. My tomatoes didn't grow well and I had severe algae problems in the fish tank. Removing these plants, planting basil, and putting in great quantities of fish emulsion (to get the bacteria cookin') the system cleared up. snip But allelomorphism describes mutually > incompatible characters or qualities. > | Message 33 Subject: Re: off topic Shark message From: "Chris Jeppesen" Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 21:47:28 -0700 Arlos Isn't a shark some kind of fish or something. a reply is not needed. | Message 34 Subject: Re: Continued off topic messages From: kris book Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 22:55:31 -0600 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_4d83.073a.5123 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IMHO, if this is the best list that exists, as it has been stated many times before, let's have a little tolerance for the gifted folks that give so much good energy. If a member gets out of hand, it should be handled as it comes along, not just start making rules. Lord knows we already have more rules than we need. I am on about 8 different lists and every one has some posts that other folks don't think are appropriate. This list is truly unique because there is a core group that are willing to share a plethora of information. I suggest that things are running at better than 90% efficiency, and I think that is a pretty good rating. If it aint broke . If someone proves to be offensive to you, try learning what their designation is and hit the delete button each time you recognize who is posting. In my mind it is better to have a couple of folks that are a little off center, than to lose even one creative mind that is turned off by rules and regulations. Off topic posts will never go away, so why take the same energy to complain as it takes to delete a 100 messages. And there is no telling how much damage is done by one member is calling another's views BS. I am sure that there is no good reason to make such a judgement. If it's too tough for one member to single out another, call me, I'm not afraid of nothing, except sharks and Bruce's pit bulls. I'm also sure that anyone who is socially sensitive will cease these crimes, right Steve?? kris book krisbook 'at' juno.com (719) 565-2056 ----__JNP_000_4d83.073a.5123 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
IMHO, if this is the best list that exists, as it has been stated many= =20 times before, let's have a little tolerance for the gifted folks that give = so=20 much good energy. If a member gets out of hand, it should be handled as it = comes=20 along, not just start making rules. Lord knows we already have more rules = than=20 we need. I am on about 8 different lists and every one has some posts that = other=20 folks don't think are appropriate. This list is truly unique because there = is a=20 core group that are willing to share a plethora of information. I suggest = that=20 things are running at better than 90% efficiency, and I think that is a = pretty=20 good rating. If it aint broke .
 
If someone proves to be offensive to you, try learning what their=20 designation is and hit the delete button each time you recognize who is = posting.=20 In my mind it is better to have a couple of folks that are a little off = center,=20 than to lose even one creative mind that is turned off by rules and = regulations.=20 Off topic posts will never go away, so why take the same energy to complain= as=20 it takes to delete a 100 messages. And there is no telling how much damage = is=20 done by one member is calling another's views BS. I am sure that there is = no=20 good reason to make such a judgement. If it's too tough for one member to = single=20 out another, call me, I'm not afraid of nothing, except sharks and Bruce's = pit=20 bulls. I'm also sure that anyone who is socially sensitive will cease these= =20 crimes, right Steve??
 
kris book
(719) 565-2056
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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