Aquaponics Digest - Wed 07/11/01
Message 1: Zeolite
from "Leslie Ter Morshuizen"
Message 2: change of address
from "NEIL RUTHERFORD"
Message 3: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 4: Re: Fish injuries Sharks
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 5: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 6: Re:
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 7: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 8: Re: Fish Species for Aquaponics
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 9: SALAD DAYS
from "Ray & Margi Gibbison"
Message 10: Re: Fish Species for Aquaponics
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 11: Re: Continued off topic messages
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 12: Re: Continued off topic messages
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 13: Re: unsubscribe
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 14: Re: unsubscribe
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 15: Re: unsubscribe
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 16: Re: off topic Shark message
from "Ray & Margi Gibbison"
Message 17: Southern Greenhouse Vegetable Growers
Association Meeting
from "TGTX"
Message 18: Re: Southern Greenhouse Vegetable Growers
Association Meeting
from cmollison 'at' eoec.co.za (Chris
Mollison)
Message 19: INVISIBLE MAN
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 20: Re: Southern Greenhouse Vegetable Growers
Association Meeting
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 21: Re: SALAD DAYS
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 22: RE: dealing with solids
from "Pete and Diana Scholtens"
Message 23: Re: SALAD DAYS
from LC543119 'at' aol.com
Message 24: RE: dealing with solids
from "Pete and Diana Scholtens"
Message 25: Re: Southern Greenhouse Vegetable Growers
Association Meeting
from LC543119 'at' aol.com
Message 26: Re: Southern Greenhouse Vegetable Growers
Association Meeting
from kris book
Message 27: Fish Species compatibility
from "Chris Jeppesen"
Message 28: Southern Greenhouse
from "Robert Rogers"
Message 29: RE: dealing with solids
from "Ron Brooks"
Message 30: free email
from "Robert Rogers"
Message 31: RE: dealing with solids
from "Ron Brooks"
Message 32: RE: dealing with solids
from "Ron Brooks"
Message 33: RE: dealing with solids
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 34: greenhouse for sale
from "bennett"
Message 35: RE: Fish Species for Aquaponics
from "Nelson and Pade"
Message 36: Re: Fish Species for Aquaponics
from Troa9 'at' aol.com
Message 37: Re: greenhouse for sale
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 38: Re: greenhouse for sale
from "bennett"
Message 39: greenhouse for sale
from "Robert Rogers"
Message 40: OT: Encouragement for a Major Mentor was:
Re: Southern Greenhouse
Vegetable Growers Association Meeting
from Bill Patrick
Message 41: to Bennet
from "Robert Rogers"
Message 42: Re: [hydroponics] greenhouse for sale
from "bennett"
Message 43: PH adjustment
from "Wells, Mark CAR"
Message 44: fish tanks and plant beds
from pablo obiaga
Message 45: Reply to - Re: Several ideas for managing
the list size
from "David Atkinson"
Message 46: Re: INVISIBLE MAN
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 47: grow beds
from "claude shireman"
Message 48: Re: Fish Species compatibility
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 49: Re: Southern Greenhouse Vegetable Growers
Association Meeting
from "Sunpeer"
Message 50: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
from marc 'at' aculink.net
| Message 1
Subject: Zeolite
From: "Leslie Ter Morshuizen"
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 07:40:14 +0200
Hi all
Zeolite (clinoptolite [spelling?]) has an affinity for
ammonia specifically,
and can be used in emergencies to 'at' suck up' or 'at' bind'
ammonia if the levels
get out of hand. The brilliance of this product is
increased by the fact
that it can be recharged by submerging it in a saline
solution.
This does of course mean that if you are considering
using zeolite as a
permanent feature in your system it will bind with
ammonia until saturated.
Any additional input of ammonia will not be absorbed.
At the first trace of
NaCl in the system, the zeolite will release the
ammonia with catastrophic
effects on the fish.
Regards,
Leslie
> Kris kitty litter and oil dry are Zeolite a natural
clay that you can
> load up with fertilizer by filtering a liquid loaded
with fertilizer
> through like cat wiz. Than you can use it as a
growing aid.
> I have been considering using it in one of my
mud filters for a
> comparison.
| Message 2
Subject: change of address
From: "NEIL RUTHERFORD"
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:30:53 +0800
Dear Sir / Madam
Please change my e-mail address from
"rutherfordneil 'at' hotmail.com" to
neilaqua 'at' hotmail.com . The reason for this is the
extensive chatting that
now fills my email screen. This new address is for all
aquaponic related
info.
Thank you
Neil Rutherford
>From: S & S Aqua Farm
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>Subject: Admin stuff -- subjects, cut and paste, etc.
was Re: Fish
>Scrape injuries
>Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 21:50:05 -0500
>
>Have had little time lately to read, much less post
to the group -- but we
>really need to "tune-up" our postings to keep the
list readable for
>everyone.
>
>Please change the subject line to reflect your topic
-- it seldom is done,
>and that's why we have so many problems searching for
that elusive bit of
>info in the posts we save -- unless we retitle it,
it's always a
>needle-in-a-haystack search.
>
>Please try to reduce the amount of quoted text from
previous posts when
>sending your new message. One or two lines of your
own should really only
>apply to a small portion of the post to which you are
replying. Since
>we've
>all just read the previous post, we really don't need
it all repeated.
>
>I came across this website on another list -- for
those new to the internet
>and/or discussion groups, it's certainly worth a
read.
>
>http://www.albion.com/netiquette/
>
>I appreciate this group so much, and have enjoyed ALL
the recent topics
>(even if I won't go swimming in the ocean). Thanks
for keeping the list so
>interesting!
>
>Paula
>S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO
65775 417-256-5124
>Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
>
________
http://www.hotmail.com.
| Message 3
Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 01:54:24 -0500
Hi,
I purposely have not come down here and opened my
email, because I knew I
should have not posted the message concerning my
income. Dog-gone it!! That
"loud mouth" and water will get you every time. I WAS
NOT showing off. It is
a simple fact.
I do apologize if I offended anyone & this will be the
only response
concerning this. I'm sure I'm going to catch a lot of
flak. But, in defense
of myself, I work nights (11 - 7) and I remember a
really "cool" RN who once
said, "Yeah, you are right, we make more money than
you do and we also work
less on the night shift
.but, you know what
.we have
an opening. Would you
be interested?" Guess what? No takers. I also pose
the same question. "We
have tons of opportunities up here in Wisconsin,
Michigan, etc. All it takes
is a little education and the "whatall" to withstand
our -20F winters. Any
takers? I guess not!"
I have family & associates in Fla. who constantly
complain about not having
any money, not being able to pay their bills,
etc."COME ON UP!!" Guess
what? Again, no takers.
I'm a high school grad with a 2 year Associates Degree
in Respiratory
Therapy. (AnyYAHOO can do this!) Now, I do choose to
do agency work rather
than work for a hospital. The $23 - $40/hr is correct.
(COME ON UP. ANY
TAKERS??) I didn't think so.
I am posting this only because I feel I am going to
catch a lot of flak. I'm
not trying to be a "smart-aleck" or "better than you".
I remember one time
when I was in Pensacola for my father's demise and
funeral, there was this
guy who told me that if you "can" get employed by
"this" company (I forget
the name.) , you can work yourself up to
$10.00/hr
the same $10.00/hr I
was offered by a hospital (in Houston) because of my
ICU, etc. experience.
FOR GOD'S SAKE, I WAS MAKING $17.00/hr at the time in
Chicago. And this was
10+ years ago.
The South is beautiful. But the pay scale is decades
behind.
Later
Steve :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "bennett"
To:
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
>I would be making $10/$14/hr. Here, I make between
$23-$40/hr. With the
>exception of gasoline, the cost of living is about
the same.
>
Please remind me
.where is it that you live? What
kind of jobs pay $40
an hour?
Whew!
D. in Appalachia
| Message 4
Subject: Re: Fish injuries Sharks
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 02:10:38 -0500
Hi Arlos,
I noticed in a later post, I'm kind of working
backwards tonight, that you
are trying to unsubscribe from the list.
MAN! I HOPE THAT IS A MISTAKE!
I really enjoy reading your learned & educated posts.
Bruce Shreiber &
myself have commented on what a plus your
contributions are to the list.
This also applies to Marc 'at' aculink. Bruce & I have said
the same about you. I
read that Marc is trying to unsubscribe as well. COME
ON GUYS!! I need you
educated guys to offset my ramblings.
See Ya both in NC?? :-( :-) *** (I don't
give kisses very much, ya
know!!)
Later
.Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlos"
To:
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: Fish injuries Sharks
Steve,
I'm planning on attending. I received the info pack
in the mail on Friday.
My wife is trying to persuade me to drive back for a
little R&R road trip.
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: STEVE SPRING
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Saturday, July 07, 2001 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: Fish injuries Sharks
>Hey Arlos,
>
>Join us in NC!! Should be fun!!
>
>Steve
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Arlos"
>To:
>Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 5:30 PM
>Subject: Re: Fish injuries Sharks
>
>
>Kris,
>
> I hate to plant one last fear, sharks do live in
Fresh water. Lake
>Nicaragua has a lot of them.
> As to Viet Nam, welcome home
>
>USN GM3 Brown Water Navy, Mekong Delta '71-'72
>
>Arlos
>-----Original Message-----
>From: kris book
>To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>Cc: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>Date: Saturday, July 07, 2001 11:03 AM
>Subject: Re: Fish injuries Sharks
>
>
>>Bruce,
>>
>>It took me 51 years to find someone that has only
one real fear just like
>>mine. As a teenager my favorite pastime was predator
hunting, you know,
>>sitting in the dark and calling animals in with a
sound similar to a
>>dying rabbit. Well one night while sitting on the
edge of a cliff above a
>>game trail, I turned around because something made
the hair on the back
>>of my neck stand up. Six inches from my face were
the two biggest yellow
>>eyes I have ever seen. I slowly changed the shotgun
to my left hand, drew
>>a bead and found out why you don't fire a shotgun at
something that is
>>about a foot away. I had cougar blood all over me.
Now, I won't say I
>>wasn't scared but, I never lost my grip.
>>
>>In my year in Viet Nam, I never lost my ability to
react under fire. But,
>>I'll never forget that morning that a shark took a
bite out of my buddy's
>>surfboard. I swear, I shook for a week and I still
don't like swimming in
>>the ocean. Thank God they don't live in fresh water!
>>
>>kris
>>
>
>
>
| Message 5
Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 02:18:28 -0500
Hi Arlos,
Come on "Buddy". You seem "bummed". Why don't you,
Bruce & me go fishin' in
NC? (If that doesn't work, we can fish in my pond. I
have some 10#
catfish!!) Remember, it takes (I forget) many more
muscles to frown than it
does to smile
.so conserve energy
:-).
LOL
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlos"
To:
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
Steve,
Concrete is not one of those areas you want
unskilled labor. They are fine
as extra pair of hands to help skreet mud and tie rod
but when it comes to
setting forms and finishing concrete, the extra $$ is
well worth the
investment. To hire an unlicensed contractor and a
crew of boat people is
asking for nothing but trouble. Not calling out a
slump test for a concrete
tank is just shy of insane. Skilled concrete finishers
here on the central
Ca coast are $32 an hour.
Speaking of wages, in my neck 'o the woods, anyone
making less than $25 an
hour is living at or below the poverty level. Median
home prices are about
$425,000. Cost of a one bedroom apt near the beach is
in the range of about
$1,400 a month. Entry level service jobs pay between
$8-$11. Yes and we have
the same invasive species problem Texas and Florida
does but impact is much
greater as social spending has taken a serious bite
out of schools, roads,
etc
On the other end of the scale our schools can't
produce nearly enough
technical skills and we import as many as Asia, India
and Europe can spare.
It does make for a truly international place to live
but the impact of real
estate, services, water (yippee!!!), power (hense our
famous black outs) and
general quality of life.
The demand on farming lands by an exploding
population is going to have
an impact on our ability to feed ourselves with
nothing less than disastrous
consequences if we continue to turn our farmlands
under for new housing
tracts and endless factory outlets. No one is building
new farm lands. They
were developed due to good soil, abundant water and
market availability.
With the inability to balance ground water recharge,
provide energy through
renewable resources, grow food without resorting to
importation from the
southern hemisphere is sure sign we're in deep fish
shit. My brother in
Idaho used to laugh at me for staying here and I told
him the same will
happen there too and it has. I can't think of too many
places in the West
that haven't been impacted by California's growth.
Filling in coastal
wetlands has proved fatal to the aquifer as salinity
has increased in the
ground waters nearly 25 miles inland here.
So I suppose the point of this rambling is why I'm
even on this board. to
find new ways to integrate aquaculture in a high tech
environment and
remain competitive. All in all it beats the heck out
of building water and
waste treatment systems for the silicon valley.
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: STEVE SPRING
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Saturday, July 07, 2001 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
>Wow Ted,
>
>I'm surprised at this message from a thrifty soul
such as yourself.
>
>(I don't mean to step on any toes here.) This is one
of the problems I had
>with Mike Sipe. He sent me some "makeshift" plans for
building a concrete
>fish tank. Cost less than $1,000 for a huge system.
He is in Fla. where
>there is a lot of cheap labor. You talk about pouring
concrete again.
>(Concrete, labor, etc. must be incredibly cheap down
South.) (Fla. has
>illegal Cubans, etc. and Texas has illegal
Mexicans
.thus "cheap
>labor")
>
>If you start talking concrete slabs in the North, you
are talking "bunch of
>$". I mean, Subway, Burger King & Popeyes are paying
$10.00/hr. There is a
>tremendous shortage of labor here in the North.
>
>I don't want to sound pious or anything like that,
but if I went back
South,
>I would be making $10/$14/hr. Here, I make between
$23-$40/hr. With the
>exception of gasoline, the cost of living is about
the same.
>
>So as you can see, Red & I are in the same boat as to
doing concrete slabs.
>Yes, a concrete slab will last a lifetime, but the
styroboards I speak of
>will last a "half-lifetime". As Clint Eastwood said,
"Come on boy, you want
>to live forever!"
>
>Just my thoughts
.Steve
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "TGTX"
>To:
>Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 2:27 PM
>Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
>
>
>I know that styroboard would be an overall better
insulator but at 60-70
>cents/sq.ft, could you come up with something
cheaper?,
>
>What if you poured a concrete-light floor ontop of an
existing slab
.maybe
>bury your recirc. pipes in the concrete-light top
floor layer
.i.e.,
>could you just pour a layer of concrete plus perlite
ontop the existing
>slab??
Might be cheaper than styroboard, and
still give you some cost
>effective insulation.??
>
>Just a thought
Although the labor to do a pour
vs styroboard
>installation, might be cost prohibitive.>
>Ted
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Steven Medlock
>To:
>Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 2:22 PM
>Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
>
>
>> I just priced that stuff 20 bucks a sheet. ouch
that is a lot of board
>for
>> 1500sq feet. Might have to do it though. That
concrete gets cold. I
>think
>> I will put that foam board on the walls though it
is 9 or so a sheet for
2
>> inch, pluss another layer of plastic over the house
just to seal it up.
>> Looks like an expensive winter.
>> Red
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: STEVE SPRING
>> To:
>> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 12:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
>>
>>
>> > No Red,
>> >
>> > It isn't foam. It is called styroboard. It is
available in 4x8 sheets.
>> Works
>> > well.
>> >
>> > Later
.Steve
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Steven Medlock"
>> > To:
>> > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:04 AM
>> > Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
>> >
>> >
>> > Steve,
>> > You put foam on the floor? Not a bad Idea. My
house is quite a bit
>> > bigger than that, real expensive. I am thinking
about using the foam
on
>> the
>> > north wall and sealing that in also. The south
wall is still a
>question.
>> I
>> > thought about using that corigated clear plastic
as another layer under
>> the
>> > plastic. I kick my self for not running hot
water through the
concrete.
>> Oh
>> > well live and learn. Either one of these or going
to be expensive. I am
>> > either going to go with a wood furnace or gas
both are $800 or so The
>gas
>> > then has the expense of fuel and tank, but very
convienent. I need
>> > insolation first. I TO WILL SELL TOMATOS IN THE
WINTER. I missed it
>last
>> > winter.
>> > Red
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: STEVE SPRING
>> > To:
>> > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 11:31 AM
>> > Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
>> >
>> >
>> > > Hi Red,
>> > >
>> > > You are in "more or less" my locale
.a little
further south.
>> > >
>> > > I was concerned when you said that you had a
concrete slab covered
>with
>> > > plastic. "MAN, THAT'S COLD!!"
>> > >
>> > > I covered my slab in the "farm" with
styroboard. NOT CHEAP! But,
>neither
>> > is
>> > > a system that doesn't work because it is too
cold. These guys are
>about
>> > > $15/sheet for a 4 X 8 sheet (for the good
stuff). My "farm" maintains
>> > apprx.
>> > > 80F even when it is below 0 outside with the
only heatsource being 2
>> > > 450-watt growlights.
>> > >
>> > > I will be trying to do the same as you are this
winter. I have a hoop
>> > > greenhouse with no insulation. I have a pallet
floor down now. I will
>be
>> > > putting down styroboard and then covering this
with plywood
on top
>of
>> > the
>> > > pallets. (Again, NOT CHEAP!) For supplemental
heat, I will be
running
>a
>> > > forced air duct from the "farm" (80F) to the
greenhouse (only a few
>> feet)
>> > > away. This will be used for heat when my
growlights (2-1000 watt HPS)
>> turn
>> > > off. My greenhouse is only 20 X 12 & I hope
this will be sufficient
>for
>> > > winter operation. I will be doing another
couple of smaller things
>too.
>> I
>> > > WILL GROW TOMATOS IN THE WINTER!!!
>> > >
>> > > Later my friend
Steve
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Steven Medlock"
>> > > To:
>> > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 6:56 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Steve,
>> > > I actually was operational last fall, but
underestimated my heating
>> > system
>> > > thought I could do it with a wood furnace. I
didn't spend the money
I
>> > > should have. Thinking about gas. The prices
have me worried. I am
in
>> > > Missouri hour west of St. Louis.
>> > > Red
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: STEVE SPRING
>> > > To:
>> > > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 12:40 AM
>> > > Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > Hi Red,
>> > > >
>> > > > Sorry, I haven't been down here for a few
days. Been busy (again!).
>> > > >
>> > > > Very nice size greenhouse. I'm envious. Maybe
next year.
>> > > >
>> > > > Ref: "plastic covering a concrete
floor
heat is going to be my
>next
>> > > > problem"
Heat
presense of or lack of?
Where are you
located?
>> > > >
>> > > > Later
.Steve
>> > > >
>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > From: "Steven Medlock"
>> > > > To:
>> > > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 12:36 PM
>> > > > Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > I am using the S&S System in a 30x48' green
house. Just plastic
>> > covered
>> > > > concrete floor. Heat is going to be my next
problem I don't have
>> the
>> > > > extreme thichness of the S&S greenhouse
walls.
>> > > > Red
>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > From: STEVE SPRING
>> > > > To:
>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 11:54 PM
>> > > > Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > Hey Red,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > What kind of Greenhouse do you have?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > SS
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > > From: "Steven Medlock"
>> > > > > To:
>> > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 7:44 PM
>> > > > > Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Just for info, I have ordered the bumble
bees. I will let
everyone
>> > know
>> > > > how
>> > > > > it goes. There was no way I could
pollinate 200 plants by hand.
>I
>> am
>> > > > open
>> > > > > to any other options. the bees are
expensive. But to the amount
of
>> > > blooms
>> > > > I
>> > > > > am loosing worth it. I have started with
30 plants way ahead of
>the
>> > > other
>> > > > > 200 or so glad I did that, now I can work
through all my
problems.
>> > > Lesson
>> > > > > learned.
>> > > > > Red
>> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > > From: STEVE SPRING
>> > > > > To:
>> > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 12:24 AM
>> > > > > Subject: tomato vibrator/scales
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > I have been using and suggesting the use
of a tomato vibrator
>from
>> > > > > > www.hydro-gardens.com.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > See picture below:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
http://www.hydro-gardens.com/growsup1.htm#pollinator
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > It is a very good vibrator and cost only
$14.95.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I. Red, Alan and other subscribers have
more than a "few"
tomato
>> > > plants.
>> > > > > We
>> > > > > > would like to know if anyone has any info
on a more commercial
>> > tomato
>> > > > > > pollinator.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Also, I would like info on a scale that
weighs in oz's. Anyone
>out
>> > > there
>> > > > > got
>> > > > > > got any info on this. Everyone I look at
cost $400+.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Would appreciate any input.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Thanks
Steve
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
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| Message 6
Subject: Re:
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 02:21:25 -0500
Be careful Kris. I got chastised for my language on
this list and all I said
was "damn".
LOL
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "kris book"
To:
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 7:56 PM
I don't know what happened because, I was looking at
the keyboard while
typing and when I looked up at the monitor, my message
was gone, I mean
sent. I think I made the computer gods angry, so I'm
gonna shit can that
last message but, check out the link. These guys have
it all figured out.
Hooray, we're saved!
http://cleanenergysystems.com/technology.html
| Message 7
Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 02:23:02 -0500
.as I said, I'm going to pass on this.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "bennett"
To:
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
And cost of living? How much does
say it cost to
heat, cool, and keep
lights on in a 3 bedroom ranch house? Do you have
taxes on everything but
the air you breathe? Why is the wage scale so high?
D.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Schreiber
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Sunday, July 08, 2001 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
Bennett Steve lives in Wisconsin and he is a
Respitory Therapist He is
right about wages being higher up here in the midwest
Mcdonalds pay
starts out at $10 per hr.
Bruce
| Message 8
Subject: Re: Fish Species for Aquaponics
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 02:25:42 -0500
Hi Jason,
I will be stocking my pond with the Giant Hybrid
Bluegill later this fall.
Ask again later.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 7:47 AM
Subject: Fish Species for Aquaponics
Asking anyone if they have tried fish other than
Tilapia with any
success,,,,I refer to Peacock Bass or the Giant Hybrid
Blue Gill,,,I am in
South Florida,,very warm here,,, Jason
| Message 9
Subject: SALAD DAYS
From: "Ray & Margi Gibbison"
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:31:08 +0200
Hello everyone
"Vitacress Salads, Hampshire U.K. increased the shelf
life of basil by 170%
by harvesting at 6pm instead of 6am
. and are
working on a project to
improve the ability of leaves to withstand washing
and packing
.".
This was reported in a local newspaper and I followed
up on their website
but it has no content on the research. Whilst I try
and follow the
guidelines set out in the Attra articles I tend to
pick early in the morning
rather than late in the evening - does this research
stand up in the face of
your collected experience? Or will the Gin and Tonic
sundowner be a hazy
memory in a few months time. Ted was so right about
not drawing a line in
the sand.
Best Regards
Margi Gibbison
| Message 10
Subject: Re: Fish Species for Aquaponics
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 02:33:35 -0500
Hi,
This is Steve. Yes, the site for the hybrid bluegills
is:
http://www.kens-fishfarm.com/georgia_giant.asp
I will be stocking these this fall. Again, after the
North Carolina
conference, I will be visiting Ken's on my way home.
Any one interested in
"convoying" is welcome. by the way, I have been doing
business with Ken for
several years and I have always found him and his
staff to be very friendly
and helpful.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
To:
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:32 AM
Subject: RE: Fish Species for Aquaponics
>About how long does it take to grow out bluegill for
decent pan fish?
I'm not sure. Some of the hybrids grow pretty fast
and devour pellet food. I suspect a difference in
the hybrid strains too. The link Steve (I think)
posted to Ken's fishfarm in Georgia had some nice
ones. The thing for me is they are readily available
here in smaller quantities. I doubt if the hybrids
will match the tilapia but should reach market weight
of 1/2 pound in a growing season. Can the slower
growth
rate be offset by a higher price for the product? I'd
like to find out. The hydrid bluegill is recognizable
by name to most where tilapia isn't YET in some areas.
I read somewhere that some were marketing tilapia as
african bluegill
.lol. This is illegal and was
stopped.
Anyhow, growth rates are something I will be watching
closely.
ever see a 5 lb hydrid bluegill?
http://www.kens-fishfarm.com/georgia_giant.asp
Mark
| Message 11
Subject: Re: Continued off topic messages
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 02:39:23 -0500
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Thank you Arlos,
Robby, this is a technical list as well as a family.
Come join us in NC. =
:)
Steve
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Arlos=20
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com=20
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: Continued off topic messages
Robby,
=20
I can't remember ever having read that this was a
strictly technical =
board. I for one mix personal as well as technical as
aquaponics is as =
much vocation as avocation. As for BS? I'll leave my
personal comment =
for you on a private email. =20
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: Robby Richards
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Monday, July 09, 2001 6:01 PM
Subject: Continued off topic messages
Since the subject has been brought up, I
completely agree that there =
is way too much personal ranting going on. It is great
if friends keep =
in touch by emailing each other, but it is best served
via a private =
message so that other people's time is not wasted
sorting through =
messages trying to sort out the BS from informative
messages on the =
topic of the list-Aquaponics.
Please post personal messages elsewhere for the
good of the entire =
group.
Thank you,
Robby Richards=20
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Thompson
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 9:31 PM
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Subject: Re: Admin stuff
Hi Paula:
Thanks SO MUCH for sending this note.
Some of the participants were really getting
out of control with the non-Aquaponics topics.
Best Regards,
Al
S & S Aqua Farm wrote:
> Have had little time lately to read, much less
post to the group =
-- but we
> really need to "tune-up" our postings to keep
the list readable =
for everyone.
>
> Please change the subject line to reflect your
topic -- it =
seldom is done,
> and that's why we have so many problems
searching for that =
elusive bit of
> info in the posts we save -- unless we retitle
it, it's always a
> needle-in-a-haystack search.
>
> Please try to reduce the amount of quoted text
from previous =
posts when
> sending your new message. One or two lines of
your own should =
really only
> apply to a small portion of the post to which
you are replying. =
Since we've
> all just read the previous post, we really
don't need it all =
repeated.
>
> I came across this website on another list --
for those new to =
the internet
> and/or discussion groups, it's certainly worth
a read.
>
> http://www.albion.com/netiquette/
>
> I appreciate this group so much, and have
enjoyed ALL the recent =
topics
> (even if I won't go swimming in the ocean).
Thanks for keeping =
the list so
> interesting!
>
> Paula
> S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West
Plains, MO 65775 =
417-256-5124
> Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Thank you Arlos,
Robby, this is a technical
list as well as a =
family. Come=20
join us in NC. :)
Steve
----- Original
Message -----
From:=20
Arlos
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Sent: Monday,
July 09, 2001 =
8:41 PM
Subject: Re:
Continued off =
topic=20
messages
Robby,
I can't remember ever
having read that =
this was a=20
strictly technical board. I for one mix personal as
well as technical =
as=20
aquaponics is as much vocation as avocation. As for
BS? I'll leave my =
personal=20
comment for you on a private
email
.
Arlos
-----Original
=
Message-----
From:=20
Robby Richards <robbyrichards 'at' msn.com>
To:=20
aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com=20
<aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com>
=
Date:=20
Monday, July 09, 2001 6:01 PM
Subject:
Continued off =
topic=20
messages
Since the subject has been brought up,
I completely agree =
that=20
there is way too much personal ranting going on.
It is great if =
friends keep=20
in touch by emailing each other, but it is best
served via a private =
message=20
so that other people's time is not wasted sorting
through messages =
trying to=20
sort out the BS from informative messages on the
topic of the=20
list-Aquaponics.
Please post personal messages elsewhere for
the good of the =
entire=20
group.
Thank you,
Robby Richards
----- Original
Message -----
From:=20
Al Thompson
Sent:
Sunday, July 08, 2001 =
9:31=20
PM
To: =
aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Subject:
Re: Admin =
stuff
Hi Paula:
Thanks SO MUCH
for sending this=20
note.
Some of the participants were really
getting
out of =
control=20
with the non-Aquaponics topics.
Best =
Regards,
Al
S &=20
S Aqua Farm wrote:
> Have had little
time lately to =
read, much=20
less post to the group -- but we
> really
need to "tune-up" =
our=20
postings to keep the list readable for
everyone.
>
> =
Please=20
change the subject line to reflect your topic --
it seldom is=20
done,
> and that's why we have so many
problems searching =
for that=20
elusive bit of
> info in the posts we save
-- unless we =
retitle it,=20
it's always a
> needle-in-a-haystack
search.
>
> =
Please=20
try to reduce the amount of quoted text from
previous posts =
when
>=20
sending your new message. One or two lines
of your own =
should really=20
only
> apply to a small portion of the
post to which you are =
replying. Since we've
> all just
read the previous =
post, we=20
really don't need it all
repeated.
>
> I came across =
this=20
website on another list -- for those new to the
internet
> =
and/or=20
discussion groups, it's certainly worth a
read.
>
>=20
http://www.albion.com/netiquette/
>
> I appreciate =
this group=20
so much, and have enjoyed ALL the recent
topics
> (even if I =
won't=20
go swimming in the ocean). Thanks for
keeping the list =
so
>=20
interesting!
>
> Paula
>
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 =
County=20
Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775
417-256-5124
> Web =
page =20
=
http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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| Message 12
Subject: Re: Continued off topic messages
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 02:50:30 -0500
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Hi Kris,
JEEZ! I feel kind of soft and smushy to be singled
out. However, I do =
totally agree with you. We have so many outspoken
folks like TGTX (Ted), =
our beloved newcomer (Arlos), Bennett, Bruce
Schreiber, Adrianna, myself =
& on & on. I do wholeheartedly and personally feel
that this list would =
lose so very much of its charisma if it were purely
technical.=20
Take care my friend and to all of you "Good
Night"
"Socially =
Insensitive"
.Steve
----- Original Message -----=20
From: kris book=20
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com=20
Cc: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com=20
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 11:55 PM
Subject: Re: Continued off topic messages
IMHO, if this is the best list that exists, as it
has been stated many =
times before, let's have a little tolerance for the
gifted folks that =
give so much good energy. If a member gets out of
hand, it should be =
handled as it comes along, not just start making
rules. Lord knows we =
already have more rules than we need. I am on about 8
different lists =
and every one has some posts that other folks don't
think are =
appropriate. This list is truly unique because there
is a core group =
that are willing to share a plethora of information. I
suggest that =
things are running at better than 90% efficiency, and
I think that is a =
pretty good rating. If it aint broke
.
If someone proves to be offensive to you, try
learning what their =
designation is and hit the delete button each time you
recognize who is =
posting. In my mind it is better to have a couple of
folks that are a =
little off center, than to lose even one creative mind
that is turned =
off by rules and regulations. Off topic posts will
never go away, so why =
take the same energy to complain as it takes to delete
a 100 messages. =
And there is no telling how much damage is done by one
member is calling =
another's views BS. I am sure that there is no good
reason to make such =
a judgement. If it's too tough for one member to
single out another, =
call me, I'm not afraid of nothing, except sharks and
Bruce's pit bulls. =
I'm also sure that anyone who is socially sensitive
will cease these =
crimes, right Steve??
kris book
krisbook 'at' juno.com=20
(719) 565-2056
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Hi Kris,
JEEZ! I feel kind of soft and
smushy to be =
singled out.=20
However, I do totally agree with you. We have so many
outspoken folks =
like TGTX=20
(Ted), our beloved newcomer (Arlos), Bennett, Bruce
Schreiber, Adrianna, =
myself=20
& on & on. I do wholeheartedly and personally
feel that this =
list would=20
lose so very much of its charisma if it were purely
technical. =
Take care my friend and to all
of you "Good=20
Night"
"Socially
Insensitive"
.Steve
----- Original
Message -----
From:=20
kris =
book=20
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Cc: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Sent: Monday,
July 09, 2001 =
11:55=20
PM
Subject: Re:
Continued off =
topic=20
messages
IMHO, if this is the best list that exists, as
it has been stated =
many=20
times before, let's have a little tolerance for the
gifted folks that =
give so=20
much good energy. If a member gets out of hand, it
should be handled =
as it=20
comes along, not just start making rules. Lord knows
we already have =
more=20
rules than we need. I am on about 8 different lists
and every one has =
some=20
posts that other folks don't think are appropriate.
This list is truly =
unique=20
because there is a core group that are willing to
share a plethora of=20
information. I suggest that things are running at
better than 90% =
efficiency,=20
and I think that is a pretty good rating. If it aint
=
broke
.
If someone proves to be offensive to you, try
learning what their =
designation is and hit the delete button each time
you recognize who =
is=20
posting. In my mind it is better to have a couple of
folks that are a =
little=20
off center, than to lose even one creative mind that
is turned off by =
rules=20
and regulations. Off topic posts will never go away,
so why take the =
same=20
energy to complain as it takes to delete a 100
messages. And there is =
no=20
telling how much damage is done by one member is
calling another's =
views BS. I=20
am sure that there is no good reason to make such a
judgement. If it's =
too=20
tough for one member to single out another, call me,
I'm not afraid of =
nothing, except sharks and Bruce's pit bulls. I'm
also sure that =
anyone who is=20
socially sensitive will cease these crimes, right
Steve??
kris book
(719) 565-2056
=
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| Message 13
Subject: Re: unsubscribe
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 02:51:45 -0500
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BS Arlos,
Steve
----- Original Message -----=20
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To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 1:01 AM
Subject: unsubscribe
please delist me due to the recent flak over off
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BS
Arlos,
Steve
----- Original
Message -----
From:=20
Arlos
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Sent:
Tuesday, July 10, 2001 =
1:01=20
AM
Subject:
unsubscribe
please delist me
due to the recent =
flak over=20
off topic posts,
thanks
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| Message 14
Subject: Re: unsubscribe
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 02:56:00 -0500
Thanks Mike,
Come on Arlos. Remember
. :) YUMMM
.10#
catfish
YUMMMMM!
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 3:36 AM
Subject: Re: unsubscribe
Arlos, Arlos, Arlos
please reconsider this.
No need to let someone's view derail you. As someone
said
. I think
this group runs 90 odd per cent efficient from what I
have seen from
other groups. Tolerance is needed.
You are a welcome addition to the group, and I welcome
your technical
input. The older ones here have all had our warm socks
rattled at some
point, for asking things that seemed important to us,
but not to others.
I could feel bad for having asked the question re fish
injuries in the
first place, but hey.
No need to delist, just acknowledgement, acceptance,
ADJUSTMENT.
Never said delist ma bro!! Youd be surprised that even
some of the vets
on this list have unsubbed at some time or other.
I have found your post MOST interesting, and those
which werent down my
street I simply deleted, but thats not to say it didnt
meet someone
elses need!! Please those of you who would just love
to fill your
mailbox with 100% unadulterated AQUAPONIC stuff, why
not consider
jumping in with your questions and comments as well as
HELP to build a
repertoire of posts here worthy of archiving for
future use? It is in
diversity of interests that we would stimulate
TOLERANCE.
Funny that the folks who seem to make a lot of flak
are folks who in my
humble opinion, are seemingly quiet on the list MOST
of the time
ANYWAYS. This list doesnt belong to anyone person, and
Id hate to think
we need to start to lose members because we are HUMAN,
and as such have
different interests.
As said before, please reconsider.
Sincerely.
Mike
JAMAICA.
Arlos wrote:
>
> please delist me due to the recent flak over off
topic posts, thanks
| Message 15
Subject: Re: unsubscribe
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 03:06:19 -0500
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Well my last post was going to be my last post, but I
am amazed at the =
overwhelming support for Arlos. I thought I was the
only one who really =
enjoyed his input. I'm glad that I was wrong.
Hey, ARLOS FOR PRESIDENT!! Seriously though, Arlos,
my friend, listen =
to all of us. Stay with us! Looking forward to
hearing from you again. =
See ya in NC!! :) =20
I do have to go to bed though
.See ya'll later
Love
.Steve
----- Original Message -----=20
From: kris book=20
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com=20
Cc: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: unsubscribe
Arlos,=20
IMHO, you have earned your place on this list. And I
suggest you =
listen to the folks that have asked you to stay. These
friends are the =
main contributors and the heart and soul that make
this thing so =
special.
Like I said last night, every list has few people
that think they have =
the right to criticize somebody elses views that
bothers them. Your =
posts have added a great deal of information and I for
one don't expect =
perfection out of anyone, except myself. Last thing to
remember, always =
listen to what Ted has to say!
kris
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Well my last post was
going to be my =
last post, but=20
I am amazed at the overwhelming support for Arlos. I
thought I was the =
only one=20
who really enjoyed his input. I'm glad that I was
wrong.
Hey, ARLOS FOR
PRESIDENT!! =
Seriously though,=20
Arlos, my friend, listen to all of us. Stay with
us! Looking =
forward to=20
hearing from you again. See ya in NC!! :)
I do have to go to
bed though
.See =
ya'll=20
later
Love
.Steve
----- Original
Message -----
From:=20
kris =
book=20
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Cc: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Sent:
Tuesday, July 10, 2001 =
9:56=20
AM
Subject: Re:
unsubscribe
Arlos,
IMHO, you have earned your place on this list.
And I suggest you =
listen=20
to the folks that have asked you to stay. These
friends are the main=20
contributors and the heart and soul that make this
thing so =
special.
Like I said last night, every list has few
people that think they =
have=20
the right to criticize somebody elses views that
bothers them. Your =
posts have=20
added a great deal of information and I for one
don't expect =
perfection out of=20
anyone, except myself. Last thing to remember,
always listen to what =
Ted has=20
to say!
kris
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| Message 16
Subject: Re: off topic Shark message
From: "Ray & Margi Gibbison"
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:04:44 +0200
Dear Arlos
I felt really nervous to join this discussion group:
it is difficult to
participate when you have nothing to contribute but
are always asking for
help. I was astounded by the spirit of generosity
that welcomed me and the
advice I acted on is showing really positive results.
Perhaps you would
reconsider leaving the discussion group: I lurked for
so long that I came
to like you and Ted and Bruce and Andrei and Steve etc
as people: it was the
informal chat that made you seem approachable enough
for me to come out of
hiding.
I have worked from home the last few years and it is
the personal
interaction of office life that I miss most.
Sometimes the most off- topic
ideas generate the impetus for your own best ideas. In
this new venture of
mine there are no "off- topics"- they create
boundaries and nothing ever
changes for the better when you self impose limits.
For every person who
cannot find their delete button there is someone like
me who appreciates the
interaction and very useful information.
Besides I have never met a fish person who can resist
a story. So stay and
tell me why my Tilapia are ravenously eating
everything in sight after a
self imposed hunger strike of ten days. Everyone in
Bronkhorstspruit has
had their two cents theory: including that the fish
know the sun in on it's
way back to our part of the world. Who am I to argue.
For better or for worse
Margi Gibbison
| Message 17
Subject: Southern Greenhouse Vegetable Growers
Association Meeting
From: "TGTX"
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 06:14:05 -0500
Folks,
I am giving a presentation at the Southern Greenhouse
Vegetable Growers
Association Meeting this Friday in Wichita Falls,
Texas. I prepared a CD rom
slide show on the "Fundamentals of Aquaponics" and
included lots of photo
slides.
I gotta tell ya, I am a bit nervous about this, having
composed it on the
fly in the first place
.(my work, and my new projects
take up a lot of my
time and energy), and generally not being the bon
vivant before an audience
in the second place
.Oy Vey!!. How can one say all
there is to
say
.or better
adequately introduce such a
topic
in only 1 hour?
But I shall try. I will go down to the sea in ships,
and do the other
things
not because they are easy, but because they
are hard.
Seriously, tho'
wish me luck, folks, I think I'll
need it
and some
antacid.
(You know, it is lots easier for me online, chatting
on this list
I can
just take my time, lean over the desk and scan the
bookshelf and pluck a
reference off the wall
.or I can venture into that
celebration of chaos
that I call the garage and root around like Yoda
rummaging for candy in Luke
Skywalkers' backpack
until I find that Duckweed
tome that I know I had
laying around here just a few weeks ago
can't do
that on the
extemporaneous fly
.gotta pull stuff out of the old
noodle
and my
noodle ain't what it used to be
.)
Here is the outline:
Aquaponics
Overview:
It All
Fits Together
1. Synergistic Biological Components:
A. Fish (or other aquaculture animals),
B. Plants,
C. Bacteria and Other Microorganisms
______________________________________
2. Integrated Physical Components:
A. The physical environment of the greenhouse
B. The fish culture medium
C. The plant culture medium
D. The microorganism media
E. The Lotion is in Motion
______________________________________
3. Other Considerations:
A. Rainwater Capture Conserves Water & Benefits Plant
Culture
B. You Can Go Organic with Aquaponics
C. Yields Are Comparable, Nutrients Sufficient
________________________________________
4. Economics
________________________________________
5. Critical Control Variables
________________________________________
6. Have Fun, But Keep a Level Head
________________________________________
7. Part Art, Part Science
________________________________________
| Message 18
Subject: Re: Southern Greenhouse Vegetable Growers
Association Meeting
From: cmollison 'at' eoec.co.za (Chris Mollison)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:04:04 +0200
Ted
May the force be with you!
As they said in days gone by - 'just lie there and
think of mother
England' - you must do what you must do.
Any chance of you making the contents of the CD
available to those who may
be interested?
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "TGTX"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 1:14 PM
Subject: Southern Greenhouse Vegetable Growers
Association Meeting
> Folks,
>
> I am giving a presentation at the Southern
Greenhouse Vegetable Growers
> Association Meeting this Friday in Wichita Falls,
Texas. I prepared a CD
rom
> slide show on the "Fundamentals of Aquaponics" and
included lots of photo
> slides.
>
> I gotta tell ya, I am a bit nervous about this,
having composed it on the
> fly in the first place
.(my work, and my new
projects take up a lot of my
> time and energy), and generally not being the bon
vivant before an
audience
> in the second place
.Oy Vey!!. How can one say
all there is to
> say
.or better
adequately introduce such a
topic
in only 1
hour?
>
> But I shall try. I will go down to the sea in
ships, and do the other
> things
not because they are easy, but because
they are hard.
>
> Seriously, tho'
wish me luck, folks, I think I'll
need it
and some
> antacid.
>
> (You know, it is lots easier for me online, chatting
on this list
I
can
> just take my time, lean over the desk and scan the
bookshelf and pluck a
> reference off the wall
.or I can venture into that
celebration of chaos
> that I call the garage and root around like Yoda
rummaging for candy in
Luke
> Skywalkers' backpack
until I find that Duckweed
tome that I know I had
> laying around here just a few weeks ago
can't do
that on the
> extemporaneous fly
.gotta pull stuff out of the
old noodle
and my
> noodle ain't what it used to be
.)
>
> Here is the outline:
>
Aquaponics Overview:
> It
All Fits Together
>
>
> 1. Synergistic Biological Components:
>
> A. Fish (or other aquaculture animals),
>
> B. Plants,
>
> C. Bacteria and Other Microorganisms
> ______________________________________
> 2. Integrated Physical Components:
>
> A. The physical environment of the greenhouse
>
> B. The fish culture medium
>
> C. The plant culture medium
>
> D. The microorganism media
>
> E. The Lotion is in Motion
> ______________________________________
> 3. Other Considerations:
>
> A. Rainwater Capture Conserves Water & Benefits
Plant Culture
>
> B. You Can Go Organic with Aquaponics
>
> C. Yields Are Comparable, Nutrients Sufficient
> ________________________________________
> 4. Economics
> ________________________________________
> 5. Critical Control Variables
> ________________________________________
> 6. Have Fun, But Keep a Level Head
> ________________________________________
> 7. Part Art, Part Science
> ________________________________________
>
>
| Message 19
Subject: INVISIBLE MAN
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 07:24:22 -0500
I swear sometimes I feel like the Invisible Man! I
know my posts reach the
list because I see them come back through. I know
they are in the digest
form, because I keep that as well. I guess the
subject matter is just not
as interesting as some others when discussing list
concerns, but I'll give
it one more try.
Please send your posts in "plain text" format only --
As far as I know, they
only people who cannot change this are locked in on
the new AOL program (and
they are excused). All you others should have a way
of adjusting your
preferences. HTML posts come through with lots of
additional garbage that
adds way too much size to the posts (not to mention
the effect when that
post is recopied in the response -- usually also
posted in HTML).
When replying, please only quote sections of the
previous post that clarify
your response -- there's generally not a need to
recopy the entire message.
And Ada's comments yesterday about taking bandwidth
for one-liners while
including the entire previous post are well-taken.
Nothing wrong with
one-liners, but please trim your reply as a matter of
courtesy.
As stated in our "welcome" message:
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opposed to a moderated
>or by-special-invitation-only list. It's provided
without charge and
>without restriction, other than that which common
courtesy dictates. We
>really enjoy this list and want it to continue to be
a productive forum for
>information exchange.
"Continuing to be a productive forum" is a key to the
success of this list.
Common courtesy, besides the obvious lack of
name-calling, slander, etc.,
also applies to consideration of the conditions under
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members are from all around
the world -- some of them still must pay dearly for
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very lucky to even have access. Please keep in mind
that not everyone has
unlimited capabilities, and manage your posts
accordinly.
Finally, while I don't mind taking the time to
subscribe/unsubscribe members
who request it, I will repost the instructions.
Again, being invisible,
these posts seem to disappear as soon as I send
them
.being immediately
followed by an on-group request; but I'll continue to
try :>)
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| Message 20
Subject: Re: Southern Greenhouse Vegetable Growers
Association Meeting
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 07:37:41 -0500
At 06:14 AM 07/11/2001 -0500, Teduwrote:
>Folks,
>
>I am giving a presentation at the Southern Greenhouse
Vegetable Growers
>Association Meeting this Friday in Wichita Falls,
Texas. I prepared a CD=
rom
>slide show on the "Fundamentals of Aquaponics" and
included lots of photo
>slides.
>
>I gotta tell ya, I am a bit nervous about this,
having composed it on the
>fly in the first place
.(my work, and my new
projects take up a lot of my
>time and energy), and generally not being the bon
vivant before an audience
>in the second place
.Oy Vey!!. How can one say
all there is to
>say
.or better
adequately introduce such a
topic
in only 1 hour?
>
Ted, I KNOW you will do us proud! I'm so glad you
will be presenting, and I
also know the group will welcome you warmly. This has
to be one of the
oldest indoor growing groups in the US! It's a great
group, and several of
our list members will be there I know. Y'all who are
going, be sure to
introduce yourselves before Ted's presentation, and
also be sure to
contribute to the Q&A session. =20
It's not too late to register and attend if you are
able. Here's the
website of the association, and the conference URL:
Southern Greenhouse Vegetable Growers Association=20
36th Annual Conference & Trade Show=20
Holiday Inn Hotel & Suites
Wichita Falls, Texas=20
July 13 =96 15, 2001
Here's the main page for the association:
http://www.sgvga.org/
Conference information begins at:
http://www.sgvga.org/tshowmain.htm
Agenda is listed:
http://www.sgvga.org/tshowagenda.htm
Hope many of you are attending.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO
65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
| Message 21
Subject: Re: SALAD DAYS
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 07:46:54 -0500
At 09:31 AM 07/11/2001 +0200, Margi wrote:
>"Vitacress Salads, Hampshire U.K. increased the shelf
life of basil by 170%
>by harvesting at 6pm instead of 6am
. and are
working on a project to
>improve the ability of leaves to withstand washing
and packing
.".
>
>This was reported in a local newspaper and I followed
up on their website
>but it has no content on the research. Whilst I try
and follow the
>guidelines set out in the Attra articles I tend to
pick early in the morning
>rather than late in the evening - does this research
stand up in the face of
>your collected experience?
Margi -- it was always our understanding that most
herbs (and basil was what
we produced) were at their peak flavor level early in
the mornings, before
the heat of the day. We always harvested as early as
possible, cooling
immediately. Basil does best at 55-65F, so I don't
mean refrigerating!
If you are growing indoors, there should be little
need for "washing" the
product. With basil, and even lettuces, as soon as
you put the product
through a wash cycle, you contribute to the cell
breakdown that causes short
shelf-life.
We picked early, cooled the product, and either
shipped in
"climate-controlled containers" (term used loosely to
mean styrofoam
containers with just enough gel-packs to maintain
temps), or took directly
to market. There is no reason that basil, lettuces
and other greens can't
be kept for up to a week or 1-1/2 weeks without
spoilage if handled properly.
It would be interesting to know if the flavor levels
are as high in the
evenings as mornings, though. Let us know if you find
any more information.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO
65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
| Message 22
Subject: RE: dealing with solids
From: "Pete and Diana Scholtens"
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 07:25:19 -0700
Ron, how do the sumps work? By gravity, or do you have
separate pump for
each one?
Thanks.
Pete
Langley, BC
BOQ
I personally use a 3 sump setup with the water
splashing into the first sump
then flowing into the next two gently with a up flow
action , which by the
time it gets to the beds there is no discernable
solids to be seen , then
every 3 days or so I drain and clean the sumps , Which
are 30 gallons each,
works for how I set up my system.
Now on another note I set up a system like S&S
describes for my Koi pond ,
Well after a week the water went from pea soup to
crystal but now I know
where it all went , in the grow beds talk about green
EOQ
| Message 23
Subject: Re: SALAD DAYS
From: LC543119 'at' aol.com
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:45:12 EDT
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Margi, all of my clients always cut there herbs in the
early morning and then
put in a cooler to get the field heat out before
packing, this has been
standard method for many years Gordon Creaser
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Margi, all of my clients always cut there
herbs in the early morning and then
put in a cooler to get the field heat out before
packing, this has been
standard method for many years Gordon
Creaser
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| Message 24
Subject: RE: dealing with solids
From: "Pete and Diana Scholtens"
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 07:53:45 -0700
Ron, second question. Could you elaborate a little
more on your statement "I
set up a system like S&S describes for my Koi pond"?
Thanks.
Pete
Langley, BC
Thanks.
Pete
Langley, BC
BOQ
I personally use a 3 sump setup with the water
splashing into the first sump
then flowing into the next two gently with a up flow
action , which by the
time it gets to the beds there is no discernable
solids to be seen , then
every 3 days or so I drain and clean the sumps , Which
are 30 gallons each,
works for how I set up my system.
Now on another note I set up a system like S&S
describes for my Koi pond ,
Well after a week the water went from pea soup to
crystal but now I know
where it all went , in the grow beds talk about green
EOQ
| Message 25
Subject: Re: Southern Greenhouse Vegetable Growers
Association Meeting
From: LC543119 'at' aol.com
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:55:59 EDT
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Ted, after giving presentations now for forty years I
still get the jitters
until I tell a dirty joke!! this gives you time to get
your breath and relax
at the opening good luck Gordon Creaser
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Ted,
after giving presentations now for forty years I still
get the jitters
until I tell a dirty joke!! this gives you time to
get your breath and relax
at the opening good luck Gordon
Creaser
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| Message 26
Subject: Re: Southern Greenhouse Vegetable Growers
Association Meeting
From: kris book
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:10:14 -0600
Wow, all this talent and modesty too. I don't think I
wanna be like Mike,
anymore. Ted, you're the MAN!!!
| Message 27
Subject: Fish Species compatibility
From: "Chris Jeppesen"
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:23:23 -0700
I'm putting some blue gill fingerlings in my tank with
large goldfish and Koi.
Am I looking for trouble.
Chris
| Message 28
Subject: Southern Greenhouse
From: "Robert Rogers"
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:33:52 -0400
How about taping your presentation & burning a few
cd's?
I would be glad to pay your costs and time.
| Message 29
Subject: RE: dealing with solids
From: "Ron Brooks"
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:37:11 -0400
Except for the last sump they are done by gravity.
the new design is based on a setup I saw at Piketon
research center at OSU.
The tanks are bottom drained to an outside stand pipe
, which depending on
height depends on how much water is removed if the
system should fail
lets see if I can describe it without a picture and
get it across
tank with bottom drain ( 6 inch pvc line )
the drain is piped to sump 1 which is constructed out
of 18 inch plastic
drain pipe. At the bottom of this drain pipe is 3
openings 1)from the tank
2) to sump #2 3) to outside drain
number one and number 3 have stand pipes inserted into
the fittings With the
pipe from the tank set to the 4 inches below water
line of the tank , this
ensures that under no circumstances will the tank be
drained by gravity to
point of fish kill ( been there done that with pumps )
this adds the initial oxygenation to the water
ok from there it drains into sump 2 which is a in
ground raceway design
which is under one of the plant tables it is about 3
foot wide by 4 foot
long ( essentially a hole lined with plastic )
now it has 2 bottom drains one at either end the end
that is closest to the
stand pipe sump is deeper than the other slightly for
ease of cleaning. All
I have to do is Cap off the pipe from the tank and
remove the pipe in the
sump to the drain to back was it . Now at the other
end there is also a
stand pipe which allows water to flow over and into
sump 3 which is nothing
more than a deep circular sump that houses the sump
pump which pump to the
tables
the tables all gravity feed back into a 4th sump which
pump sprays back into
the tank
I have played around with a lot of sumps and like this
one the best it has
been running well for about a month now I like the
fact that by putting the
cap on the tank stand pipe to stop water flow and just
twisting out of the
fitting the drain pipe I can clean my sump very
quickly takes about 2
minutes and a bucket of water into the 2nd sump if
needed to help the wastes
along if needed ( which I have not had to do yet )
the outside drain line goes to the garden and I use it
to water the plants
hope you can visualize from this explanation if not I
will try to do a
diagram
I have decided that this is the design that I will use
and all he other
prototypes will be disassembled and switched over to
this one.
Ron
The One Who Walks Two Paths
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com
-> [mailto:aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com]On Behalf Of
Pete and Diana
-> Scholtens
-> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 10:25 AM
-> To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
-> Subject: RE: dealing with solids
->
->
-> Ron, how do the sumps work? By gravity, or do you
have separate pump for
-> each one?
->
-> Thanks.
-> Pete
-> Langley, BC
->
-> BOQ
-> I personally use a 3 sump setup with the water
splashing into
-> the first sump
-> then flowing into the next two gently with a up
flow action ,
-> which by the
-> time it gets to the beds there is no discernable
solids to be seen , then
-> every 3 days or so I drain and clean the sumps ,
Which are 30
-> gallons each,
-> works for how I set up my system.
->
-> Now on another note I set up a system like S&S
describes for my
-> Koi pond ,
-> Well after a week the water went from pea soup to
crystal but now I know
-> where it all went , in the grow beds talk about
green
-> EOQ
->
| Message 30
Subject: free email
From: "Robert Rogers"
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:44:47 -0400
If you need a seperate free email account
www.onebox.com
has a pretty good free sevice
| Message 31
Subject: RE: dealing with solids
From: "Ron Brooks"
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:51:15 -0400
Pete
well
if you look at tom and Paula's web page were they show
a diagram of their
design
I di something similar
I have a pump going from the Koi pond into a 3 by 8
gravel bed
Now I changed it yesterday after cleaning all the
green stuff out
so now it is a continually wet bed that has water
flowing through it to
within an 1/2 inch of the surface of the gravel
constantly. I replumped it
to discharge water at one end that has a settling area
free of pea gravel
now then the water flows through the gravel to the end
where an old screen
holds back the gravel from the water fall area and
also traps any large
particles making it past the gravel. Now instead of
planting it with lettuce
and such as I originally did I replaced it with bog
and marsh pond plants
that will act as my biofilter . I decided I would
like flowers there around
the pond more than veggies
actually I did take a picture of that one and can send
it to you if you like
once again as with most of my first trials this is
made with salvage
material as I like to experiment with a lot of
differing systems to find one
I like.
Ron
The One Who Walks Two Paths
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com
-> [mailto:aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com]On Behalf Of
Pete and Diana
-> Scholtens
-> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 10:54 AM
-> To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
-> Subject: RE: dealing with solids
->
->
-> Ron, second question. Could you elaborate a little
more on your
-> statement "I
-> set up a system like S&S describes for my Koi
pond"?
->
-> Thanks.
-> Pete
-> Langley, BC
->
->
| Message 32
Subject: RE: dealing with solids
From: "Ron Brooks"
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:51:16 -0400
Oh one little omission here the bottom of the stand
pipe sump is filled with
concrete to within a 1/4 inch of the top of the
fittings Don't want anyone
to think the plain old Kentucky clay holds everything
VBG
Ron
The One Who Walks Two Paths
| Message 33
Subject: RE: dealing with solids
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:37:03 -0500
>the new design is based on a setup I saw at Piketon
research
center at OSU.
Thanks for the info Ron
.interesting setup.
for anyone interested, the Piketon Reserach Center
webpage and
contact info are here.http://www.ag.ohio-state.edu/~prec/aqua/
I'm a few hours away in Indiana and interested in
seeing
their setup. Time for a road trip.
Mark
| Message 34
Subject: greenhouse for sale
From: "bennett"
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:08:48 -0400
I know I'm going to regret this, but I'm putting a
greenhouse up for sale.
We bought this at auction last fall and haven't been
able to get it put back
up yet, so
Our loss could be your gain.
This is a CropKing unit 24' or 27' wide and 48' long.
It was set up as a
complete hydroponics and/or seedling nursery. The
package includes: hoops,
heater(s), hot water heaters, fan(s), some piping,
pumps, miscellaneous,
etc. It is dismantled and stored in an old large
gooseneck horse trailer,
which goes with the package. (So all you have to do
is hook onto the
trailer and go.) This trailer looks terrible, but
appears road safe for
this use. I don't know that I would put a load of
livestock in it
though.:-)
This is supposed to be just like a set-up that was on
CropKing's web site.
The 96' long version of this same set-up was listed at
$40,000, including
tomato plants.:-) I will sell the whole thing for
$5000.
| Message 35
Subject: RE: Fish Species for Aquaponics
From: "Nelson and Pade"
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:27:21 -0700
>Asking anyone if they have tried fish other than
Tilapia with any
>success,,,,I refer to Peacock Bass or the Giant
Hybrid Blue Gill,,,I >>am
in
>South Florida,,very warm here,,, Jason
Since we aren't allowed by the state (California) to
have tilapia we've
cultured other species. I've successfully raised
large mouth bass,
crappies, koi and goldfish in 500 gal. aquaponic
systems. Currently, I am
working with the local high school where they are
raising white sturgeon in
their aquaponic system. Non of these species are as
hardy as tilapia but,
for the most part, they do well and all of them sell
at a decent price.
Rebecca
| Message 36
Subject: Re: Fish Species for Aquaponics
From: Troa9 'at' aol.com
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:01:44 EDT
Yes, Steve,,I will ask you later,,,I would like to
try these,,,thx Jason
| Message 37
Subject: Re: greenhouse for sale
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:27:33 -0500
And where is this located?
> I know I'm going to regret this, but I'm putting a
greenhouse up for
sale.
> We bought this at auction last fall and haven't been
able to get it
put back
> up yet, so
Our loss could be your gain.
| Message 38
Subject: Re: greenhouse for sale
From: "bennett"
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:06:42 -0400
s.e.Ohio
-----Original Message-----
From: gutierrez-lagatta
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: greenhouse for sale
>And where is this located?
>
>
>> I know I'm going to regret this, but I'm putting a
greenhouse up for
>sale.
>> We bought this at auction last fall and haven't
been able to get it
>put back
>> up yet, so
Our loss could be your gain.
>
>
>
| Message 39
Subject: greenhouse for sale
From: "Robert Rogers"
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:34:14 -0400
please send an email to me at this address about your
greenhouse.
bigwahoo 'at' bellsouth.net
| Message 40
Subject: OT: Encouragement for a Major Mentor was: Re:
Southern Greenhouse
Vegetable Growers Association Meeting
From: Bill Patrick
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:09:17 -0400
Ted,
Sounds like a lot to cover in an hour, but somehow I
know you will pull
it off. "The Lotion is in Motion" now this sounds like
the Ted we've all
grown to know and love. Knock'n out, good luck, and
sorry I'm going to
miss it. But that CD hmm
. ?
Bill
"Brakes? Who needs 'em? When in doubt - ACCELERATE!"
> Here is the outline:
>
Aquaponics Overview:
> It
All Fits Together
>
>
> 1. Synergistic Biological Components:
>
> A. Fish (or other aquaculture animals),
>
> B. Plants,
>
> C. Bacteria and Other Microorganisms
> ______________________________________
> 2. Integrated Physical Components:
>
> A. The physical environment of the greenhouse
>
> B. The fish culture medium
>
> C. The plant culture medium
>
> D. The microorganism media
>
> E. The Lotion is in Motion
> ______________________________________
> 3. Other Considerations:
>
> A. Rainwater Capture Conserves Water & Benefits
Plant Culture
>
> B. You Can Go Organic with Aquaponics
>
> C. Yields Are Comparable, Nutrients Sufficient
> ________________________________________
> 4. Economics
> ________________________________________
> 5. Critical Control Variables
> ________________________________________
> 6. Have Fun, But Keep a Level Head
> ________________________________________
> 7. Part Art, Part Science
> ________________________________________
| Message 41
Subject: to Bennet
From: "Robert Rogers"
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:35:14 -0400
Please contact me at
bigwahoo 'at' bellsouth.net
or
502-339-0952
I am in Louisville KY
I havn't seen any other way to contact you except this
mail group.
Thanks, Bob
| Message 42
Subject: Re: [hydroponics] greenhouse for sale
From: "bennett"
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:09:47 -0400
I think there might have been an "OOPS!" on this
greenhouse. Surely, the
price would have been more like $20,000 for a 24'or27'
by 96' hydroponic set
up, instead of $40,000, wouldn't it?
Okay, the other things I've been asked about are:
The trailer has a ball hitch.
There is NO plastic covering left.
I think the water heaters and furnace are natural gas,
convertable to
bottled gas.
There are no tables.
We're near Marietta, Ohio, 4 miles off I-77.
My e-mail address is bennett 'at' frognet.net
Thank you.
-----Original Message-----
>I know I'm going to regret this, but I'm putting a
greenhouse up for sale.
>We bought this at auction last fall and haven't been
able to get it put
back
>up yet, so
Our loss could be your gain.
>This is a CropKing unit 24' or 27' wide and 48' long.
It was set up as a
>complete hydroponics and/or seedling nursery. The
package includes: hoops,
>heater(s), hot water heaters, fan(s), some piping,
pumps, miscellaneous,
>etc. It is dismantled and stored in an old large
gooseneck horse trailer,
>which goes with the package. (So all you have to do
is hook onto the
>trailer and go.) This trailer looks terrible, but
appears road safe for
>this use. I don't know that I would put a load of
livestock in it
>though.:-)
>This is supposed to be just like a set-up that was on
CropKing's web site.
>The 96' long version of this same set-up was listed
at $40,000, including
>tomato plants.:-) I will sell the whole thing for
$5000.
| Message 43
Subject: PH adjustment
From: "Wells, Mark CAR"
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:57:41 -0400
Hi Everyone,
I know there are many ways to raise and lower PH,
but what are the preferred methods from an aquaponics
perspective?
Thanks,
Mark
| Message 44
Subject: fish tanks and plant beds
From: pablo obiaga
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 22:22:46 -0300
Hi Guys:
I found an incredible thing in our
"marchands aux pouces".
I found second hand bath tubbs for 5 dollar each: 1.6
mts x 0.8x 45 hi.
I would like your opinion because in case viable it
would be a real third
world ATTRA.
perhaps its to low for fish, but it would be idal for
pant beds.
Anxiuous for your input
Pablo.
P.S I saw three 4 pound pac=FA, they looked so sexy
freudian oraly speaking.
| Message 45
Subject: Reply to - Re: Several ideas for managing the
list size
From: "David Atkinson"
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:56:15 -0400
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Hi, My two cents worth. (specific to the idea to
create two lists from =
this one)
I have been on this list a long time. We have had a
lot of new persons =
subscribing to the list. The purpose most of these
persons have are to =
learn from the experiences of others. This process of
sharing =
information relating to aquaponics helps us all.
If persons, having established a good e-pal
relationship, wish to =
communicate on subjects that do not relate to
aquaponics. I think they =
should keep their communication off-list. A lot of
persons may have up =
to date equipment, but some persons may have older
equipment and connect =
at slower speeds. A list bogged down by off topic
subjects clog up =
incoming mail and costs the recipients. We therefore
need to remember =
and be more sensitive to this fact.
Aquaponics:
The subject - Raising fish and plants.
Establishing an Aquaponic set-up is a business project
the purpose of =
which to produce an item to sell; In this case Fish
and plants/food.
In conducting business there are several areas to
consider:
Production
The process of producing fish and plants from start to
finish. There =
are costs associated with this process. Of course
there are variation =
depending on the type of system one may employ.
Related to Production:
The equipment used to produce the product. Some
employ simple things to =
produce results. Others employ very expensive and
highly technical =
equipment to achieve results.
Capital:
This is the amount of money people invests in the
aquaponic business. =
This could be funded from one's own resources, or from
funds borrowed =
from a Commercial Bank or Venture Capitalist funds, or
a combination of =
both.
Time:
This is the opportunity cost of all of you involved in
this business. =
If the venture is not profitable enough, or will it
be? Could I be =
doing something else with my time to earn a better
living? Some of you =
may have asked yourself this question.
I Have just touched the tip of the iceberg. The
subject of Aquaponics =
is an exciting one that touches a number of
disciplines. There are some =
who may be experts in some areas and be weak in other
areas that another =
list member is very good at.
At the end of the day, there will be convergence of
knowledge where we =
will learn enough to solve a problem for ourselves or
even someone else, =
. in case the list expert is not available.
My background training and experience is in Banking.
What the heck do I =
know about farming? There is an old Chinese proverb
that says "The =
journey of a thousand miles begins with one step". I
started reading on =
the subject to learn so as to avoid making mistakes.
Then came the =
aquaponics list. There are some subjects presented
that can be highly =
technical, and sometimes downright intimidating. But
I bend my head and =
put my shoulder to the task to try and understand. I
have a better =
understanding of the Aquaponics business due to the
list.
Keep the list as is. Subscribers need to discipline
themselves and post =
relevant subjects to the list. Proper email etiquette
is required by =
members to ensure the subject line is appropriate to
the content.
Man it seems my two cents worth was more like two
million cents worth. =
:-)
If you want my vote. Do not change the list. Keep it
as is. It is a =
great list.
David A
from Jamaica W.I.
(atkindw 'at' cybervale.com)
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ada Erickson=20
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 11:41 PM
Subject: Several ideas for managing the list size
Would it be possible to spin off this very popular
list, and have a =
very strict technical aquaponics list, and a second
list for more casual =
discussions about other topics?
=20
That way, you snip ,
snip
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(specific to the =
idea to=20
create two lists from this one)
I have been on this list a
long time. We =
have had a=20
lot of new persons subscribing to the list. The
purpose most of =
these=20
persons have are to learn from the experiences of
others. This =
process of=20
sharing information relating to aquaponics helps us
all.
If persons, having established
a good e-pal =
relationship,=20
wish to communicate on subjects that do not relate to
aquaponics. =
I think=20
they should keep their communication off-list. A
lot of persons =
may have=20
up to date equipment, but some persons may have older
equipment and =
connect at=20
slower speeds. A list bogged down by off topic
subjects clog up =
incoming=20
mail and costs the recipients. We therefore need
to remember and =
be more=20
sensitive to this fact.
Aquaponics:
The subject - Raising fish and
=
plants.
Establishing an Aquaponic
set-up is a business =
project the=20
purpose of which to produce an item to sell; In
this case Fish and =
plants/food.
In conducting business there
are several areas =
to=20
consider:
Production
The process of producing fish
and plants from =
start to=20
finish. There are costs associated with this
process. Of =
course=20
there are variation depending on the type of system
one may =
employ.
Related to
Production:
The equipment used to produce
the product. =
Some=20
employ simple things to produce results. Others employ
very expensive =
and highly=20
technical equipment to achieve results.
Capital:
This is the amount of money
people invests in =
the=20
aquaponic business. This could be funded from
one's own resources, =
or from=20
funds borrowed from a Commercial Bank or Venture
Capitalist funds, or a=20
combination of both.
Time:
This is the opportunity cost
of all of you =
involved in=20
this business. If the venture is not profitable
enough, or =
will it=20
be? Could I be doing something else with my time
to earn a better=20
living? Some of you may have asked yourself this
=
question.
I Have just touched the tip of
the =
iceberg. The=20
subject of Aquaponics is an exciting one that touches
a number of=20
disciplines. There are some who may be experts
in some areas and =
be weak=20
in other areas that another list member is very good
at.
At the end of the day, there
will be convergence =
of=20
knowledge where we will learn enough to solve a
problem for ourselves or =
even=20
someone else,
. in case the list
expert is not=20
available.
My background training and
experience is in =
Banking. =20
What the heck do I know about farming? There is
an old Chinese =
proverb=20
that says "The journey of a thousand miles begins with
one step". =
I=20
started reading on the subject to learn so as to avoid
making =
mistakes. =20
Then came the aquaponics list. There are some
subjects presented =
that can=20
be highly technical, and sometimes downright
intimidating. But I =
bend my=20
head and put my shoulder to the task to try and
understand. I have =
a=20
better understanding of the Aquaponics business due to
the =
list.
Keep the list as is.
Subscribers need to =
discipline=20
themselves and post relevant subjects to the
list. Proper email =
etiquette=20
is required by members to ensure the subject line is
appropriate =
to the=20
content.
Man it seems my two cents
worth was more like =
two million=20
cents worth. :-)
If you want my vote. Do
not change the =
list. Keep it=20
as is. It is a great list.
David A
from Jamaica W.I.
(atkindw 'at' cybervale.com)
----- Original
Message -----
From:=20
Ada Erickson
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Sent:
Tuesday, July 10, 2001 =
11:41=20
PM
Subject:
Several ideas for =
managing the=20
list size
Would it be possible to spin
off this very =
popular list,=20
and have a very strict technical aquaponics list,
and a second list =
for more=20
casual discussions about other topics?
That way,
you snip , =
=20
snip
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| Message 46
Subject: Re: INVISIBLE MAN
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:52:41 -0500 (CDT)
Am I doing it the right way with my posts
Bruce
| Message 47
Subject: grow beds
From: "claude shireman"
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:53:51 -0700
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i am new at aqua ponics and i wounder if some one
could tell me if plane =
old plastic would be ok to use for the grow sys the
tubs that i was =
looking were about 3x4ft 4or 5 in deep i am interested
in growing herbs =
and peppers in my green house it is onley 8x10ft i
guest wanteted to put =
the sys in my green house as a hobby for my on use and
could i use 10gal =
fish aquarm tanks and if so how manny fish could i
stock in the sys gold =
fish i had in mind.
claude
=20
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Express, by =
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i am
new at aqua ponics =
and i wounder=20
if some one could tell me if plane old plastic would
be ok to use for =
the grow=20
sys the tubs that i was looking were about 3x4ft 4or 5
in deep i am =
interested=20
in growing herbs and peppers in my green house it is
onley 8x10ft i =
guest=20
wanteted to put the sys in my green house as a hobby
for my on use and =
could i=20
use 10gal fish aquarm tanks and if so how manny fish
could i stock in =
the sys=20
gold fish i had in mind.
&nbs=
p; =
; =20
claude
=20
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| Message 48
Subject: Re: Fish Species compatibility
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 21:10:56 -0500 (CDT)
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Chris They will do fine together in a polyculture
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I'm putting some blue gill fingerlings in my tank with
large goldfish and Koi.
Am I looking for trouble.
Chris
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| Message 49
Subject: Re: Southern Greenhouse Vegetable Growers
Association Meeting
From: "Sunpeer"
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:57:48 -0400
Great outline
.Good luck goin "live".
| Message 50
Subject: Re: tomato vibrator/scales
From: marc 'at' aculink.net
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 22:43:12 -0600
I think you are too socially sensitive.
Marc
STEVE SPRING wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I purposely have not come down here and opened my
email, because I knew I
> should have not posted the message concerning my
income. Dog-gone it!! That
> "loud mouth" and water will get you every time. I
WAS NOT showing off. It is
> a simple fact.
>
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