Aquaponics Digest - Thu 07/19/01
Message 1: Drying Larvae
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 2: Re: Drying Larvae
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 3: Vertigro
from "Attie Esterhuyse"
Message 4: Unsubscribe instructions for aquaponics
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from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 5: Redclaw
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 6: Re: Nutria - slightly OT but funny
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 7: Re: cornell short course
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 8: Growing Edge Magazine
from "Pat Arbuthnot"
Message 9: Re: constructive criticism or meltdown
from kris book
Message 10: RE: constructive criticism or meltdown
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 11: RE: Growing Edge Magazine
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 12: RE: Drying Larvae
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 13: Re: Publications:, was Re: Heating
from "Douglas J. Peckenpaugh"
Message 14: Re: Nutria
from Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
Message 15: Re: Fish Species for Aquaponics
from kris book
Message 16: Re: cornell short course
from "Sunpeer"
Message 17: Re: Heating
from Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
Message 18: unsubscribe
from "Wells, Mark CAR"
Message 19: Re: constructive criticism or meltdown
from "Arlos"
Message 20: Re: Heating
from "Arlos"
Message 21: Melons
from Roy Houston
Message 22: Re: Melons
from kris book
Message 23: Re: New to the list
from "Steven Medlock"
Message 24: Re: Melons
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 25: Re: Melons
from "Sunpeer"
Message 26: Watercress postharvest handling
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 27: Outside Aquaponics
from Sandman198 'at' aol.com
Message 28: Re: New to the list
from "Marcia Wilson"
Message 29: Watercress handling and packaging
from kris book
Message 30: RESEND - HTML & message length
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 31: Re: Watercress postharvest handling
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| Message 1
Subject: Drying Larvae
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:12:53 -0500
Hi everyone,
Does anyone have any experience drying larvae?
After reading the thread on fly larvae a while
back, I wanted to try some and it worked great.
My bluegill fingerlings love them fresh but they
aren't larvae very long. I froze some but read
that they are steamed and sun dried at the Songhai
Centre.
http://www.ias.unu.edu/proceedings/icibs/ibs/songhai/
If you can get over the image, they are great waste
processors and free fish food. I had thrown out
some sausage and the trash pickup didn't run that
day. When I moved the trash can, there was lunch (for
the
bluegill:). I was just wondering how others may
have preserved them or any larvae.
Thanks,
Mark
| Message 2
Subject: Re: Drying Larvae
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:36:46 -0700
Mark, tell us a little more about your environment,
but I want to help
you by hitting this laterally man!! Whats the sunshine
like there?
It may be as easy as throwing them on a blackened zinc
sheet or in a
solarcooker.
Check out.http://solarcooking.org/dryingreview.htm
Check out also to subscribe the solarcooking list.
http://www.topica.com/lists/solarcooking-l 'at' igc.org/?cid=353
Being a techie, making some heating tray out of mesh
with a small fan
and heater should be a walkover for you
. Maybe a
fruit dryer should
be easy to use?? You know those with a regulated hot
air flow?
Lemme know man offlist how things are doing.(I plan on going outside to identify the same fellas
in my compost
.so
U are one step ahead
.but we can share experiences
here
.)
Mike
Mark Allen Wells wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Does anyone have any experience drying larvae?
> After reading the thread on fly larvae a while
> back, I wanted to try some and it worked great.
| Message 3
Subject: Vertigro
From: "Attie Esterhuyse"
Date: 19 Jul 2001 09:29:35 +0200
Dear Paula and list members
I have a question for you. Jay uses the Vertigro
system in his setup,
http://www.aerialad.net/hydrofarm/, to grow
strawberries. The Vertigro system is
one that I also would like to incorporate in a future
system. I asked our local
(South Africa) supplier a few questions on the system
and these are his answers.
Could you please give me your comments? I read
somewhere that the water leaching
from decomposing pine bark actually kills aquatic
organisms. These answers are
based on a purely hydroponic system.
Best regards
Attie
“We use drippers to regulate the flow so that an even
dispersion of water can be
obtained - it needs to be controlled. You also need
to be able to calculate how
much water you are using and thus how much you need to
pump. In order to
calculate the size of pump required you have to be
able to multiply out the
total number of drippers times the flow rate. Our
drippers control the nutrient
water to 2 litres per hour.
Yes, we do have two drip lines per stack. This is to
ensure a continuous flow of
water to the plants should one of the drippers block.
And yes, the peg does
anchor the dripper tube.
As far as growing media are concerned, there is a lot
written about different
types but most have disadvantages that outweigh the
advantages. For example,
vermiculite collapses after a while and becomes a
soggy mass, perlite is not cost
effective and provides too much drainage and too
little water-retentive capacity,
gravel has too high a cation exchange capacity, and so
on. The only growiing
medium that we recommend is composted pine bark as it
combines an optimum
water-retentive capacity together with good
drainage and if you use the medium size you will not
need to mix it with anything
else. It is cost effective and it works.”
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| Message 5
Subject: Redclaw
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 06:36:20 -0500
Lynn,
Be sure to search the archives on redclaw
.several
people have tried
them on a limited scale, with cannibalism being the
number one
problem.
> I'm still thinking about Australian redclaw
crayfish. My biggest
concern is
> keeping them warm (above 70 degrees) in the winter
here in northern
> Pennsylvania.
You can start seed several ways dependng on what your
end-product is.
For baby salad greens you can broadcast the seed
directly onto your
growing beds with a shaker. Plants that are to be
grown individually
can be started in small celled flats in a mixture of
equal quantities
of peat moss, perlite and vermiculite or just plain
peat moss. These
flats can be set in your system until transplant or
you can put them
on some felt in a home-made capillary watering system.
Commercial
growers use rockwool or Oasis cubes to start their
plants and
transplant them into the system.
> I forgot that I know nothing about growing plants
hydroponically.
For
> example, how do you start seeds in a hydroponic
system
There are lots of good book, for starters I would see
what your
library has - most have a couple of them. Howard Resh
is the most
commonly mentioned author.
> books on hydroponics? I'm too much a dirt
farmer
.it's taking a
while to
> shift gears!
Good Luck,
Adriana
Birmingham, AL
| Message 6
Subject: Re: Nutria - slightly OT but funny
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 06:42:46 -0500
They already are, in other parts of the world at
least. If you do a
Google search you will find them. In the meantime
here is a bit of
Cajun Nutria Humor:
"The Nutria Industry
I was talking with my cousin, Hebert, in Lafayette and
I asked him,
"Since you been laid off, what've you been doing?"
"I got me a nutria farm," he said.
"A 'nutria farm'? What are you gonna do with that?" I
asked him.
"Oh, don't you see all those good products they
advertise that they
make out of nutria nowadays? For the women, there is
that beauty
soap, Nutriagena. If you're overweight, there is that
Nutria Sweet."
"Wait a minute, Hebert, you got the right idea, but
you're on the
wrong track! If you want to make some big money with
that you've got
to get a government contract. Shoot, man, with all
them
nutria-powered submarines they got up and down the
Mediterranean there
. You know how many nutria it must take to push a
big boat like
that?"
And Hebert has got to have the last word:
"Oh, I was thinking about getting with some of them
scientists at LSU
to build a nutria reactor."
"Shoot, Hebert, when I was six years old I had me a
nutria reactor.
You get you a six-foot cane pole and a steel-jaw trap
- and you gonna
make a nutria react!"
-A.J. Smith
> Do you think they will ever be farmed for meat and
fur
| Message 7
Subject: Re: cornell short course
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 06:53:50 -0500
Please tell us more - topic, subject, cost, URL?
Adriana
> any one on the list currently taking the distance
short course from
> Cornell???
| Message 8
Subject: Growing Edge Magazine
From: "Pat Arbuthnot"
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:21:14 -0500
Ada, Thanks for the great info from "Growing Edge".
Please post the
subscription info
. Web address or phone number. I
would be interested in
subscribing.
| Message 9
Subject: Re: constructive criticism or meltdown
From: kris book
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:39:13 -0600
I have a suggestion to put to the list. Actually, I
think that I have
two. Great day in the morning, imagine that, two
thoughts in one day!
First, for all you beautiful people that like to use
abbreviations like
IMHO(in my humble opinion), please make it clear what
the abbreviation
means, just once so we're all on the same page.
Second, how about putting
our questions into a search engine first, then we can
all ask better
questions, if it is still necessary after the search.
There are some
fantastic search engines available today. I know of
three that can search
ten or more search engines at the same time. My
favorite is Google, it is
so fast. Dogpile and Go Network Express are very good
also.
Hey, I seem to be getting a third thought or maybe
it's just meltdown.
Everyone one has been doing a great job of snipping to
useless info from
their posts. I just love that Control, Shift, End and
then Delete short
cut for removing all text below the cursor. But, I
think we could leave a
little bit of pertinent info so that readers don't
have to open a folder
to figure out what going on. Like Ada, I'm trying to
atone for any
off-topic posts that I've made.
kris
| Message 10
Subject: RE: constructive criticism or meltdown
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:28:15 -0500
>Second, how about putting our questions into a search
engine first,
>then we can all ask better questions, if it is still
necessary after the
>search. There are some fantastic search engines
available today. I know of
>three that can search ten or more search engines at
the same time. My
>favorite is Google.----
Excellent suggestion Kris. Here is something to help
those who may be
wondering how to best use the search engines.
http://searchenginewatch.com/facts/
You are right about Google
.my fav too. Some of the
others use their
engine.
have fun
.the world's biggest library awaits you.
Mark
| Message 11
Subject: RE: Growing Edge Magazine
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:30:53 -0500
Here is their website, Pat.
http://www.growingedge.com/
It's a great magazine
Mark
| Message 12
Subject: RE: Drying Larvae
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:45:08 -0500
Hi Mike,
Thanks for the resources. The sun is hot here when
it's out, but we
have a lot of overcast days. I will build the dryer.
I have
enough scrap plywood, screening
.even used a whisper
fan from
work. It should all make for a cheap food source. I
like being
able to process my own waste too.
take it easy
.I'll write more when I get home tonight
offline.
I got Messenger installed.
Mark
---
>Mark, tell us a little more about your environment,
but I want to help
>you by hitting this laterally man!! Whats the
sunshine like there?
>It may be as easy as throwing them on a blackened
zinc sheet or in a
>solarcooker.
| Message 13
Subject: Re: Publications:, was Re: Heating
From: "Douglas J. Peckenpaugh"
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:41:38 -0700
Ada wrote:
Growing Edge also has a huge article on minimizing the
effects of low
temperatures, and if five people express interest,
I'll take the time to
transcribe or summarize it here (as long as you
subscribe to their
WONDERFUL magazine eventually!). It's eight pages
long, so that's why
I'm asking for votes.
Then Paula wrote:
Ada - I don't know how the Growing Edge folks feel
(although they are
certainly on the list and can speak for themselves),
but I think a
summary of a particular article, along with the issue
number information
and their website http://www.growingedge.com would be
more appropriate.
Paula:
Well put.
Ada, I sincerely appreciate your enthusiasm. And of
course I don't
object to folks summarizing important points from
articles and sharing
information (what I believe should be the primary
focus of publishing)
that they deem sharable. However, there's no need to
transcribe entire
articles onto the list (which not only would be
laborious but also a
copyright infringement--unless the author of the
article does the
transcribing 45 days after the magazine has been "on
the newsstand").
For those interested, a summary of the articles in
question can be found
at
http://www.growingedge.com/magazine/back_issues/view_article.php3?AID=120328
("Greenhouse Extremes Part One: Minimizing the Effects
of High
Temperatures" by Dr. Lynette Morgan) and
http://www.growingedge.com/magazine/back_issues/view_article.php3?AID=120465
("Greenhouse Extremes, Part Two: Minimizing the
Effects of Low
Temperatures" also by Dr. Morgan).
Doug Peckenpaugh
Editor, The Growing Edge
http://www.growingedge.com/
| Message 14
Subject: Re: Nutria
From: Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:39:54 -0400
Nutria are a very valuable fur harvest. There are huge
farms in Eastern
Europe and the former Soviet Union. In a former job, I
went to a nutria
farm in Ukraine and they must have had at least
100,000 in cages.
-_______________
Andrei D. Calciu (VA-4270)
NEC America, Inc.
14040 Park Center Dr.
Herndon, VA 20171-3227
Voice: 703-834-4273
Fax: 703-787-6613
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07/18/01 04:11 PM
Please respond to
aquaponics
People eat nutria?!?!
That is so gross
. I kind of mentally clump nutria in
with possum, rats,
squirrels in my mind.
They seem to be hardy creatures, though, flourishing
despite farmer's
vendetta.
Do you think they will ever be farmed for meat and
fur? It seems to me
that
they would be happy eating fish heads and other
leftovers from fish
filleting. Maybe they could be a part of the animal
warmth model.
Ada Erickson
www.primadonnasrevenge.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Schreiber"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: Nutria
> Yes Nutria are ugli and they are very successful
exotics eating up our
> coastal salt marshes at ungodly rates but on the
bright side their fur
> is valuable and their meat is good eating so the
substance minded folks
> learn how to live with them and off of them as if
they were free range
> pigs .The bull sharks are a natural new predator of
them in the US
> waters and any thing the shark mistakes for one is
in for a weight loss
> situation .
> Bruce
>
>
| Message 15
Subject: Re: Fish Species for Aquaponics
From: kris book
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:50:57 -0600
Steve,
My wife, Allison and I grew organic veggies year round
for 7 years at
about 6,000 feet above sea level. We actually had
better crops in the
middle of winter because the is no heat build up, and
we didn't have to
vent as often to maintain a good temperature
parameters. I'm not sure if
you're versed in CO2 injection but, I'll assume that
you're not. I found
that most plants thrive with up to 2,000 ppm(parts per
million), more
than that becomes toxic to the plants. It's hard on
human breathing too
but, I got used to it. The air we breathe averages
about 300 ppm.
When levels are that high (2,000ppm), it's best to
only spend a few
minutes at a time in the greenhouse. The best time to
inject CO2 is about
3 hours after sun up and for about three hours keep
the levels at 2,000
or until the greenhouse gets so warm that you have to
vent. I should
mention that I was using a semi organic hydroponic
system, not aquaponics
but, I believe that tanks could be fitted with
removable lids to keep all
that CO2 out of the fish tanks for the 3 hours that
you are injecting.
At this point I should add that raising CO2 levels
alone will only boost
production a small amount. Plants need a balance of
increased light,
nutrients, and CO2 to make a big difference in yield.
When this balance
is achieved, plants can thrive on a nutrient solution
that would have
burned your plants without extra light and CO2. Plants
grown in this
enhanced environment can take a lot more heat, as long
as they receive
extra moisture too. 100 degrees is acceptable, as long
as the total
balance is there.
I think I remember you mentioning gro-lights in your
greenhouse. Are they
on light movers. This is very important to give all
the plants equal
light or the plants on the fringe will suffer very
much. I hope to visit
some day and see your operation. When I start my
aquaponics system, I
think I'll go with bluegill hybrids, unless your pacu
prove to be as
versatile.
If there are people out there that think that this
post is off-topic,
please speak up and I'll take future posts like this
to a private place.
I think that it is important to make production equal
twelve months a
year, in any climate.
k
| Message 16
Subject: Re: cornell short course
From: "Sunpeer"
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:44:47 -0400
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anytime
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Biological and Environmental Engineering Department
312 Riley-Robb Hall
Ithaca, NY 14853
Phone: 607.255.2495
Fax: 607.255.4080
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| Message 17
Subject: Re: Heating
From: Andrei.Calciu 'at' hn.va.nec.com
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:52:39 -0400
I vote yes
-_______________
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| Message 18
Subject: unsubscribe
From: "Wells, Mark CAR"
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:29:03 -0400
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| Message 19
Subject: Re: constructive criticism or meltdown
From: "Arlos"
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:50:15 -0700
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Allen Wells
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Thursday, July 19, 2001 9:29 AM
Subject: RE: constructive criticism or meltdown
Mark,
I've been using computers daily since 1981 and
having watched the internet
grow by leaps and bounds daily, I'm astounded by the
information available.
The most amazing part of the phenomonem is that
virtually all the
information you seek is free. We have turned the world
into two classes;
those with access to information and those without.
I've watched friends
here next to the silcon valley become multi
gazillionaires over the years in
both hardware and software. I'm certainly going to put
the internet at the
top of the list of the most influencial advances of
the 20th Century. As its
always been said of consumer electronics, "They get
better and cheaper every
year." There was an obscure piece of work that took
place a few years ago at
Stanford where a small group of moleocules were
disassembled, sent and
reassembled at a distance in order. I got this second
hand from an associate
working at SLAC (Stanford Linear Accelerator), an
Indian engineer with
multiple PHD's not prone to BS. Who knows what future
our kids will see? If
anyone has seen the HG Wells film "The Time Machine",
it shows in the
furture a small spinning disk I think referred to as a
learning disk looking
very similar to a CD. Not too off topic as the
computer is the one thread
that has bound us together, eh?
Arlos
>
>>Second, how about putting our questions into a
search engine first,
>>then we can all ask better questions, if it is still
necessary after the
>>search. There are some fantastic search engines
available today. I know of
>
| Message 20
Subject: Re: Heating
From: "Arlos"
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:11:05 -0700
Ada,
You have my vote. I'm looking at geothermal sites in
Idaho and thats going
to require s little extra warmth not needed here on
the central California
coast.
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: Ada Erickson
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 6:34 PM
Subject: Heating
>Growing Edge also has a huge article on minimizing
the effects of low
>temperatures, and if five people express interest,
I'll take the time to
>transcribe or summarize it here (as long as you
subscribe to their
WONDERFUL
>magazine eventually!). It's eight pages long, so
that's why I'm asking for
>votes.
>
>Topics covered:
>
>Plants and Cold Temperatures
>Cold Resistance in Plants
>Cold Climate Greenhouses
>Heating Systems
>Free Heat Sourches
>Waste Material
>Solar Energy
>Geothermal Heat
>Waste Heat
>Nutrient Solution Heating
>Hobbyist Greenhouses
>Optimal Root Zone Temperatures (table)
>Keeping the Chill off
>
>I know heating is a hot topic (pun intended) right
now, and I'd be happy
to
>do it. My off topic posting has left me guilty.
>
>
>
>
| Message 21
Subject: Melons
From: Roy Houston
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:35:15 -0500
Does anyone have any idea what causes melons to split
at the blossom end
prior to the melons becoming ripe? I've got a variety
of canteloupe, musk
melons, honeydew, etc. Some grown in dirt, some
hydroponically. Most all
of them split prior to getting ripe enough to eat.
I had this problem last year, so I tried more
varieties, but the same
results. This is very, very heartbreaking.
The latest melon to split measured 10 inches in
diamter. A true canteloupe
variety (fluted). Gorgeous colored flesh inside, but
it needed another week
or so to sweeten up.
I live in Northwestern Mississippi (zone 7) and it's
rather hot.
Any ideas???
Roy
| Message 22
Subject: Re: Melons
From: kris book
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:57:30 -0600
Roy,
I went to my trusty Rodale's,"Growing Fruits &
Vegetables Organically".
Under, Growing Guidelines for Melons, it says, "Watch
mature plants
closely and water if they appear stressed by heat or
drought. Never allow
melons to dry out completely since a heavy rain after
a long dry spell
can cause ripening melons to split".
kris
| Message 23
Subject: Re: New to the list
From: "Steven Medlock"
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:37:20 -0500
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Marcia,
I am not a pro, but I do have a system and am trying
to raise tomatoes =
doing fair, where are you located? I too am in
missouri west of St =
.Louis. The people on this list are great just ask
away.
Red
Steve
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From: Marcia Wilson=20
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 8:02 PM
Subject: New to the list
Hello Everyone! I am new to this list and thought
I'd introduce =
myself. I currently grow hydroponic tomatoes
commercially (on a small =
scale - 1 greenhouse) in Missouri and am getting ready
to put up another =
greenhouse soon. I am very interested in raising fish
and learning =
aquaculture but don't really know where to start on a
small scale. Any =
suggestions from you pro's?
Thanks in advance,
Marcia Wilson
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Marcia,
I am not a pro,
but I do have a =
system and am=20
trying to raise tomatoes doing fair, where are
you located? =
I =20
too am in missouri west of St
.Louis. The people on =
this list=20
are great just ask away.
Red
Steve
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Marcia=20
Wilson
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Sent:
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8:02=20
PM
Subject: New
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Hello Everyone! I am
new to this list =
and=20
thought I'd introduce myself. I currently grow
hydroponic tomatoes=20
commercially (on a small scale - 1 greenhouse) in
Missouri and am =
getting=20
ready to put up another greenhouse soon. I am
very interested in =
raising=20
fish and learning aquaculture but don't really know
where to start on =
a small=20
scale. Any suggestions from you =
pro's?
Thanks in =
advance,
Marcia=20
Wilson
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| Message 24
Subject: Re: Melons
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:35:26 -0500
Sorry about your melons Roy, especially the 10-incher.
That must have
been heartbreaking
The latest discussion on
splitting tomatoes has
me wondering if the reason the splitting ends when the
CF is increased
is because the plants stop taking up too much nutrient
solution in
search of nutrients, causing them to "overfill". I
wonder if
increasing the CF will help with your melons?
> Does anyone have any idea what causes melons to
split at the blossom
end
> prior to the melons becoming ripe? I've got a
variety of
canteloupe, musk
> melons, honeydew, etc. Some grown in dirt, some
hydroponically.
Most all
> of them split prior to getting ripe enough to eat.
Adriana
| Message 25
Subject: Re: Melons
From: "Sunpeer"
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:56:43 -0400
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check out this page on tomato cracking
maybe
the same for melons
http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/greenhouse_veg/waterfert_pages/crackin=
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check out this page on tomato cracking
maybe the same for=20
melons
http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/greenhouse_veg/waterfe=
rt_pages/cracking.html
Hey I am west of St. Louis too, in
ST. James, =
Mo. where=20
are you at? I currently grow about 500
tomato plants =
hydroponically=20
in a gravel/perlite/sand mix in my new greenhouse but
want to learn =
aquaponics=20
too.
Thanks for
responding,
marcia
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Sent:
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3:37=20
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New to the =
list
Marcia,
I am not a
pro, but I do have a =
system and=20
am trying to raise tomatoes doing fair, where
are you =
located? =20
I too am in missouri west of St
.Louis. The =
people on=20
this list are great just ask away.
Red
Steve
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| Message 29
Subject: Watercress handling and packaging
From: kris book
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:05:15 -0600
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reader does not understand
this format, some or all of this message may not be
legible.
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Adrianna,
I've been searching for an hour and this is all I
could come up with. If
you do a Google search on the word herbzest you'll get
an interesting
article on commercial hydroponics that briefly
mentions watercress.
kris
____________________________________________
Market Compendium of Asian Vegetables
A Report for RIRDC by Grant Vinning, Asian Markets
Research
ISBN 0-642-20504-3
Asian Vegetable Series
RIRDC Research Paper 95/12
386 pp. 1995.
A comprehensive collection of current marketing and
production data,
including price details, notes on the place of each
vegetable in cuisine,
its local method of sale, trends in production and
import statistics.
Vegetables considered of high potential include bak
choi, bamboo, bitter
melon, bunching onion, burdock, chilli, Chinese
broccoli, chrysanthemum,
daikon, lotus, luffa, mitsuba, mizuna, mushroom,
mustards, myoga,
perilla, seaweed, snake bean, taasai, taro, wasabi,
water bamboo, water
chestnut, wong bok and yam bean.
Vegetables of low potential include amaranthus, bean
sprouts, bottle
gourd, bracken, brown watercress, cassava, Ceylon
spinach, Chinese
chives, convolvulus, edible chrysanthemum, ginger,
gourds, hairy gourd,
kimch'i, komatsuna, kuzu, okra, sweet potato,
vegetable soybean, water
celery, wax gourd, and yam.
Available from Rural Industries Research and
Development Corporation
PO Box 4776, Kingston, ACT 2604 Australia.
Price: A$80.00
Agribusiness Structures: Vertical
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Adrianna,
I've been searching for an hour and this is
all I could come up =
with. If=20
you do a Google search on the word herbzest you'll get
an interesting =
article on=20
commercial hydroponics that briefly mentions
watercress.
kris
____________________________________________
Market Compendium of Asian Vegetables
A Report for RIRDC by Grant Vinning, Asian Markets
Research
=
ISBN=20
0-642-20504-3
Asian Vegetable Series
RIRDC Research Paper=20
95/12
386 pp. 1995.
A comprehensive collection of current marketing and
production data,=20
including price details, notes on the place of each
vegetable in cuisine, =
its=20
local method of sale, trends in production and import
statistics.
Vegetables considered of high potential include bak
choi, bamboo, bitter=
=20
melon, bunching onion, burdock, chilli, Chinese
broccoli, chrysanthemum, =
daikon,=20
lotus, luffa, mitsuba, mizuna, mushroom, mustards,
myoga, perilla, seaweed,=
=20
snake bean, taasai, taro, wasabi, water bamboo, water
chestnut, wong bok =
and yam=20
bean.
Vegetables of low potential include amaranthus,
bean sprouts, bottle =
gourd,=20
bracken, brown watercress, cassava, Ceylon spinach,
Chinese chives, =
convolvulus,=20
edible chrysanthemum, ginger, gourds, hairy gourd,
kimch'i, komatsuna, kuzu=
,=20
okra, sweet potato, vegetable soybean, water celery,
wax gourd, and yam.
Available from Rural Industries Research and
Development Corporation PO=20
Box 4776, Kingston, ACT 2604 Australia.
Price: A$80.00
Agribusiness Structures: Vertical
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| Message 30
Subject: RESEND - HTML & message length
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:12:26 -0500
I'm beginning to feel like the Wicked Witch of the
East. My mother's
currently under Hospice care, and my time on-list is
really short. I'd like
to reply to many of today's posts, but won't until I
have time for a
thoughtful reply. Welcome to our new members, and I
hope the discussions
will provide you with some answers.
Meanwhile
here's a reprint of my previous note
trying to get some of
the bulk out of the list:
>Please, everyone, if you're using a mail program that
uses HTML coding, be
>sure to change your settings to send PLAIN TEXT ONLY
to this list. If
>you're sending and receiving in that mail program,
you may not be aware of
>it.
>
>Also, although I appreciate the friendliness of this
list :>), please snip
>long posts before you reply if you feel the need to
post a response, leaving
>just the pertinent data from the previous post.
Thanks for your help.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO
65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
| Message 31
Subject: Re: Watercress postharvest handling
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:15:43 -0500
At 06:20 PM 07/19/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>I am about to harvest watercress for the first time.
Can anybody give
>me advice on postharvest handling and packaging?
>
>Adriana
>Birmingham, AL
Adriana - what specifically do you need to know? Most
of our watercress was
incorporated into our salad mix. The rest was sold in
gallon bags, 1# per
package. Some residual water in the (heat sealed) bag
will help maintain
freshness -- too much will cause some "mushiness".
Refrigerate as lettuces
and other greens. Does that help?
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO
65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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