Aquaponics Digest - Sun 07/22/01
Message 1: [Fwd: Marine Recirc systems]
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 2: Re: geo-hydroponics(digesters)
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 3: Re: geo-hydroponics(digesters)
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 4: Bio-solids
from "Jay Myers"
Message 5: Re: geo-hydroponics(digesters)
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 6: RE: geo-hydroponics(digesters) Caution on
Gas Toxicity
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 7: my system diagrams
from "Ron Brooks"
Message 8: Re: Vertigro
from kris book
Message 9: RE: geo-hydroponics(digesters) Caution on
Gas Toxicity
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 10: RE: my system diagrams
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 11: Re Forum group
from "PAUL VAN DER WESTHUIZEN"
Message 12: RE: geo-hydroponics(digesters)
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 13: Re: Bio-solids
from "Arlos"
Message 14: Re: geo-hydroponics(digesters)
from "Arlos"
Message 15: Re: Vertigro
from "Arlos"
Message 16: Re: geo-hydroponics(digesters)
from "Arlos"
Message 17: Re: geo-hydroponics(digesters)
from kris book
Message 18: Re: my system diagrams
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 19: Re: my system diagrams
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 20: RE: geo-hydroponics(digesters) Caution on
Gas Toxicity
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 21: Re: Re Forum group
from "PAUL VAN DER WESTHUIZEN"
Message 22: RE: geo-hydroponics(digesters)
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 23: Re: my system diagrams
from kris book
Message 24: Re: other lists
from kris book
Message 25: Re: geo-hydroponics(digesters) Caution on
Gas Toxicity
from "Arlos"
Message 26: Roald Gundersen's urban food production
from kris book
Message 27: Re: Does anyone do this:
from Raul Vergueiro Martins
Message 28: Re: geo-hydroponics(digesters) Caution on
Gas Toxicity
from Raul Vergueiro Martins
Message 29: Re: Does anyone do this:
from kris book
Message 30: RE: mushrooms
from "Carlos R. Arano"
Message 31: RE: my system diagrams
from "Ron Brooks"
Message 32: Re: geo-hydroponics(digesters) Caution on
Gas Toxicity
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 33: Re: Roald Gundersen's urban food
production
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 34: Re: other lists
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 35: Re: Roald Gundersen's urban food
production
from kris book
Message 36: Re: Re Forum group-unsubscribe me
from "faiz rahman"
Message 37: PLEASE SAVE -- instructions for
aquaponics mail group
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 38: RE: my system diagrams
from "Ron Brooks"
Message 39: REPP-CREST : DISCUSSION GROUPS
from kris book
Message 40: Re: Does anyone do this:
from Raul Vergueiro Martins
Message 41: Re: geo-hydroponics(digesters)
from Raul Vergueiro Martins
Message 42: Outside Aquaponics
from Sandman198 'at' aol.com
Message 43: WSARE Announces 2001 Award Recipients
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 44: Re: Watercress postharvest handling
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 45: Re: Marine aquaponics
from "Arlos"
Message 46: Re: geo-hydroponics(digesters)
from pablo obiaga
Message 47: biodigesters
from pablo obiaga
Message 48: unsubscribe
from "Glen E. Morrow"
Message 49: Re: biodigesters
from Raul Vergueiro Martins
Message 50: Let's leave a list for Paula
from kris book
Message 51: lets try it one more time
from "Ron Brooks"
Message 52: Re: Let's leave a list for Paula
from pablo obiaga
| Message 1
Subject: [Fwd: Marine Recirc systems]
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 01:00:57 -0700
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Hi,
Check out our website on www.tmc-ltd.co.uk
navigate to the commercial systems or filtration
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look at the compact, system 2500 and system 5000
"marine" recirc systems.
These are complete ready to go packages that only need
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TMC has an extensive background in recirculating
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| Message 2
Subject: Re: geo-hydroponics(digesters)
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 01:27:50 -0700
The biodigestion list and others in my "other list"
post, are another
serious and dedicated list that I enjoy. There is also
the biogas list.
I welcome the discussion here, as it is relevant to
heating culture
water, water distillation in my case, and greenhouse
heating in some
climes.
If this is to go offlist please add me to the offlist
group.We could
conversly all subscribe to an agreed existing list
where I can vouch for
some serious experts giving us some inputs too
we
can unsub after we
get this thrashed out. For some too technical details
are frustrating.
Mike
JAMAICA.
Arlos wrote:
>
> Kris,
>
> I for one welcome the biodigester thread on the
board. Its been
> fascinating reading. One note about cleaning the
methane of HS2. If a small
> efficient sulfur scrubbing tower could be adapted
you would reduce the
> corrosive component.
| Message 3
Subject: Re: geo-hydroponics(digesters)
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 06:30:05 -0500
Aren't they full of toxic substances?
> I 'd like to be able to biodigest some of our
california political
> leaders (sh_t), that would indeed supply this state
with more than
enough
> energy needs.
Adriana
| Message 4
Subject: Bio-solids
From: "Jay Myers"
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 08:29:26 -0500
Can't keep quiet here !
Sludge is still sludge. Sludge can be Bio-solids if,
and only if it meets
the Federal standards. We test for 10 heavy metals and
the limits are very
very low. i.e.: if we were to drop a Centrum
vitamin tablet on the
ground we would be in violation of the federal law
because the zinc, etc.
are above the limits set out for Bio-solids.
True Bio-solids are quite safe to be recycled if done
in accordance with the
rules that are in place. Sludge, on the other hand,
can be anything - even
ugly stuff.
Jay
Capt. Sludge (in some circles)
> When I hear the term "biosolids" (doesn't it sound
innocuous?) I think
> "municipal waste biosolids" with all of the possible
toxic inputs that
> go through a city sewer, including illegally dumped
chemicals and
> industrial output.
> > They stopped
> > calling the processed sludge
.sludge
it became
bio-solids.
>
> Adriana
| Message 5
Subject: Re: geo-hydroponics(digesters)
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 09:11:03 -0500 (CDT)
I've read were you can pass sulfur saturated water
through a column of
crushed Marrel gravel it strips off the sulfur but
what is marrel some
sort of marble gravel ?Will it work on gas.
My Brother in California makes his living setting
up methane wells
in land fills world wide I'll ask him If I can find
his
E -mail .One time I went with him to a land fill of
one of his designs
and helped replace a one foot or bigger pipe elbow
that had come loose
you cant believe the pressure or the garbage gas it
almost knocked me
over and out. m
My long hair at the time was blowing straight away
from the pipe
Bruce
| Message 6
Subject: RE: geo-hydroponics(digesters) Caution on Gas
Toxicity
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 09:34:24 -0500 (CDT)
One time we were spelunking in an abandoned mine in
Arizona were I've
done many mines and not far from the opening I started
to get a funny
feeling and we turned around and headed out fast the
200 ft. back to
the entrance my head was buzzing nearly passing out
from the oderless
gas I found out later it was Sulfide gas .That was a
close one
Bruce
| Message 7
Subject: my system diagrams
From: "Ron Brooks"
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:26:06 -0400
Ok sorry for the delay but have been real busy
then the scanner no longer wants to hold a civil
conversation with my
computer so the nice clear concise diagrams can not be
scanned , But I did
try to do something in Microsoft paint
so at least I think the idea will get across lol
go to http://vraquaponics.8m.com/aquaponics/system
and there should be 4 pics there that I hope will
along with my written
description help you visualize it :)
Ron
The One Who Walks Two Paths
| Message 8
Subject: Re: Vertigro
From: kris book
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 09:33:59 -0600
Jay,
I live almost to Idaho. We're in Pueblo, Colorado
right now. Tell us
about Idaho. Do you have geothermal at your new place?
From your post, it
sounds like you make your own towers now, instead of
buying them.
kris
| Message 9
Subject: RE: geo-hydroponics(digesters) Caution on Gas
Toxicity
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:28:01 -0500
I know what you mean Bruce
.my experience was in a
pit that had
2 huge gate valves in it
.some dumbass thought it
would be easier
to sweep leaves in the hole rather than pick them up.
They decomposed.
I recognized the odor and got out of there fast.
After checking with
the gas detector, I found lethal levels of hydrogen
sulfide. My heart
was pounding
.it taught me to NEVER take a confined
space for granted.
I had a LONG talk with the ground maintenance people!
Mark
| Message 10
Subject: RE: my system diagrams
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:35:55 -0500
Thanks Ron!
After your initial post, I contacted the director
at the Piketon Research Center
.his is taking some
pics of their system for us
will you post them
if I send them too you?
Mark
| Message 11
Subject: Re Forum group
From: "PAUL VAN DER WESTHUIZEN"
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:35:08 +0200
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| Message 12
Subject: RE: geo-hydroponics(digesters)
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:38:21 -0500
>My mission is to set a closed eco-system that will
provide all the food,
>fuel, electricity, heating and cooling necessary to
supply a neighborhood
>sized community with everything it needs to live
comfortably.
-
We have a similar mission Kris,
When I got out of the army in 1983, my grandfather was
dying from cancer
and I went to help them out for a while. He had one
of the traditional,
small polyculture farms. Some steers, some hogs, some
chickens
.all
on pasture. He lived a simple but complete live. He
hated factory farms.
Helping that year was the best year of my life. I
started working in
wastewater at the time and would sit looking at a big
concrete tank beneath
the old windmill. It used to hold water for
livestock
.I wanted to put
fish
in it. At work I would sit on the ledge of the
digester at night.staring and the big torch that burnt off excess gas
and dream of setting
up such a system someday. My dream was not yet to
be
.the farm was sold
after he died
.a few years later my utility career
ended under tragic
circumstances. I lost a big part of me
.or so I
thought. I wasn't
ready yet. I see now that there was a higher purpose
(as my buddy Mike
would say) at the time. I had other lessons to learn.
Two years ago I moved back into the home I grew up in.
It isn't in the
country but is a great place for urban agriculture.
I've finally realized
that I can still farm
.start small here and grow as I
learn and my systems
grow. My life has changed so much since realizing
that I could farm
here
.anywhere. I'm in a rebuilding phase of my life
so I don't have
money yet for a larger greenhouse operation
.but I'm
getting there.
Working
with only my fish tanks, my basement is becoming a
bluegill pond. I'm
composting, vermicomposting
.raising redworms and
larvae
.harvesting
rainwater
.developing small systems well suited for
education and the home.
I want to teach this stuff to grade school kids. I
have a great
relationship
with a pet store owner who is interested in my larvae
project when the
supply becomes steady
I have found a niche I can
work within
.I want to
be the link between the farms of the future and the
city people who MUST
be re-educated. Most adults don't re-learn to
well
.the kids will make
it happen.
I had a dream last night
.my next farm. A one acre,
controlled environment
system. The entire area is set up for harvesting the
rain
.one inch on
one acre yields about 27,000 gallons. Greenhouses are
aquaponic but also
one for hydroponic only and one shaded for rabbits.
Rabbits are a great
compliment to fish for your market and among the most
efficient warm blooded
meat producers. They provide additional manure for the
digester. Plant
waste and
manure are vermicomposted, then digested. All waste is
converted to energy.
The digester supplies hydronic heat to the plant
rootzones and fish tanks.
http://www.stirling-tech.com/stirling/heat.htm
Solar/wind energy provide
electricity for pumps and aeration. This is my
mission
.and my dream.
I'm ready now.
I apologize for my sometimes long posts. It is hard
to share creative
thoughts and experiences in a few words. The
potential for a group
such as this to pool it's resources one day in a
project is very
exciting to me. I always try to provide something of
value in my posts.
I'd love to be involved in a farm such as this
.if
anyone needs a guy
to help with something like this let me know
.have
toolbox, will travel!
you guys have replaced the family I lost when I left
my wastewater career.
God bless you all.
Mark
| Message 13
Subject: Re: Bio-solids
From: "Arlos"
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:15:56 -0700
Jay,
Both you and Mark are correct. As alternative
residential and small
systems gain acceptance less mixed stream waste
treatment produces smaller
if not
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Sunday, July 22, 2001 6:30 AM
Subject: Bio-solids
>Can't keep quiet here !
>
>Sludge is still sludge. Sludge can be Bio-solids if,
and only if it meets
>the Federal standards. We test for 10 heavy metals
and the limits are very
>very low. i.e.: if we were to drop a Centrum
vitamin tablet on the
>ground we would be in violation of the federal law
because the zinc, etc.
>are above the limits set out for Bio-solids.
>
>True Bio-solids are quite safe to be recycled if done
in accordance with
the
>rules that are in place. Sludge, on the other hand,
can be anything - even
>ugly stuff.
>
>Jay
>Capt. Sludge (in some circles)
>
>
>> When I hear the term "biosolids" (doesn't it sound
innocuous?) I think
>> "municipal waste biosolids" with all of the
possible toxic inputs that
>> go through a city sewer, including illegally dumped
chemicals and
>> industrial output.
>> > They stopped
>> > calling the processed sludge
.sludge
it
became bio-solids.
>>
>> Adriana
>
>
>
| Message 14
Subject: Re: geo-hydroponics(digesters)
From: "Arlos"
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:22:29 -0700
Mark,
Well thought, insightful and great post as usual.
Keep 'em going.
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Allen Wells
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Sunday, July 22, 2001 10:38 AM
Subject: RE: geo-hydroponics(digesters)
>>My mission is to set a closed eco-system that will
provide all the food,
>>fuel, electricity, heating and cooling necessary to
supply a neighborhood
>>sized community with everything it needs to live
comfortably.
>-
>
>We have a similar mission Kris,
>
>When I got out of the army in 1983, my grandfather
was dying from cancer
>and I went to help them out for a while. He had one
of the traditional,
>small polyculture farms. Some steers, some hogs,
some chickens
.all
>on pasture. He lived a simple but complete live. He
hated factory farms.
>Helping that year was the best year of my life. I
started working in
>wastewater at the time and would sit looking at a big
concrete tank beneath
>the old windmill. It used to hold water for
livestock
.I wanted to put
>fish
>in it. At work I would sit on the ledge of the
digester at night.>staring and the big torch that burnt off excess gas
and dream of setting
>up such a system someday. My dream was not yet to
be
.the farm was sold
>after he died
.a few years later my utility career
ended under tragic
>circumstances. I lost a big part of me
.or so I
thought. I wasn't
>ready yet. I see now that there was a higher purpose
(as my buddy Mike
>would say) at the time. I had other lessons to
learn.
>
>Two years ago I moved back into the home I grew up
in. It isn't in the
>country but is a great place for urban agriculture.
I've finally realized
>that I can still farm
.start small here and grow as
I learn and my systems
>grow. My life has changed so much since realizing
that I could farm
>here
.anywhere. I'm in a rebuilding phase of my
life so I don't have
>money yet for a larger greenhouse operation
.but I'm
getting there.
>Working
>with only my fish tanks, my basement is becoming a
bluegill pond. I'm
>composting, vermicomposting
.raising redworms and
larvae
.harvesting
>rainwater
.developing small systems well suited for
education and the
home.
>I want to teach this stuff to grade school kids. I
have a great
>relationship
>with a pet store owner who is interested in my larvae
project when the
>supply becomes steady
I have found a niche I can
work within
.I want to
>be the link between the farms of the future and the
city people who MUST
>be re-educated. Most adults don't re-learn to
well
.the kids will make
>it happen.
>
>I had a dream last night
.my next farm. A one acre,
controlled
environment
>system. The entire area is set up for harvesting the
rain
.one inch on
>one acre yields about 27,000 gallons. Greenhouses
are aquaponic but also
>one for hydroponic only and one shaded for rabbits.
Rabbits are a great
>compliment to fish for your market and among the most
efficient warm
blooded
>meat producers. They provide additional manure for
the digester. Plant
>waste and
>manure are vermicomposted, then digested. All waste
is converted to energy.
>The digester supplies hydronic heat to the plant
rootzones and fish tanks.
>http://www.stirling-tech.com/stirling/heat.htm
Solar/wind energy provide
>electricity for pumps and aeration. This is my
mission
.and my dream.
>I'm ready now.
>
>I apologize for my sometimes long posts. It is hard
to share creative
>thoughts and experiences in a few words. The
potential for a group
>such as this to pool it's resources one day in a
project is very
>exciting to me. I always try to provide something of
value in my posts.
>I'd love to be involved in a farm such as this
.if
anyone needs a guy
>to help with something like this let me know
.have
toolbox, will travel!
>
>you guys have replaced the family I lost when I left
my wastewater career.
>God bless you all.
>Mark
>
>
>
| Message 15
Subject: Re: Vertigro
From: "Arlos"
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:25:26 -0700
Jay,
Where are you moving too in ID? I'm on the hunt for
20 + acres with
geothermal in Central to Northern ID.
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Myers
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Saturday, July 21, 2001 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: Vertigro
>Hi Kris -
>Well - 4 plants / pot, 8 pots high = 375 towers if
you are putting then
>inside a greenhouse. They work well outside too.
Don't forget you need a
>swivel and center pole for each tower too.
>
>I'm not sure what Tim is charging for pots now. Think
I paid about $1.20
>each plus freight. They come 200 per pallet.
>
>What part of the country are you in ?
>
>I have about 6000 here in Panama City, Fl. for sale.
I'm selling my
>greenhouse and the new folks don't want them. I'm
moving to Idaho - too
far
>to haul the pots with all my other stuff.
>
>Jay
>
>
>
>> Can you please tell me how many of the basic
Vertigro towers are
>> necessary to grow 12,000 strawberry plants? And how
much does the price
>> change when buying that many?
>
>
>
| Message 16
Subject: Re: geo-hydroponics(digesters)
From: "Arlos"
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:30:35 -0700
Adriana,
Thats the problem with all politicians. Strange
though, you never see them
drifting over the crowds at the Macy's Thanksgiving
Day Parade. They
(politicians) would make an interesting theme for a
hot air balloon race.
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: gutierrez-lagatta
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Sunday, July 22, 2001 4:35 AM
Subject: Re: geo-hydroponics(digesters)
>Aren't they full of toxic substances?
>> I 'd like to be able to biodigest some of our
california political
>> leaders (sh_t), that would indeed supply this state
with more than
>enough
>> energy needs.
>
>Adriana
>
>
| Message 17
| Message 18
Subject: Re: my system diagrams
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 13:55:06 -0700
Mark, I guess this was for Ron but if ANYONE has
system pics that they
would like to post, irregardless of how lil or big an
operation.
pLEEEASE send them or tell me the links to go pick
them up soon.
The bookmark site is almost there.
Our frequent powercuts has not done much in the way
of helping me
finish it.
Thanks
Mike
Mark Allen Wells wrote:
>
> Thanks Ron!
>
> After your initial post, I contacted the director
> at the Piketon Research Center
.his is taking some
> pics of their system for us
will you post them
> if I send them too you?
>
> Mark
| Message 19
Subject: Re: my system diagrams
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 14:00:12 -0700
Was anyone able to get to these pics?? They dont seem
to work for me
:( .
Mike
Ron Brooks wrote:
>
> Ok sorry for the delay but have been real busy
> then the scanner no longer wants to hold a civil
conversation with my
> computer so the nice clear concise diagrams can not
be scanned , But I did
> try to do something in Microsoft paint
>
> so at least I think the idea will get across lol
>
> go to http://vraquaponics.8m.com/aquaponics/system
>
> and there should be 4 pics there that I hope will
along with my written
> description help you visualize it :)
>
> Ron
> The One Who Walks Two Paths
| Message 20
Subject: RE: geo-hydroponics(digesters) Caution on Gas
Toxicity
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 14:06:14 -0500 (CDT)
Mark You were lucky that because of your training you
recognized the
hazard and lived .I guess there is something to be
said for being alert
in class and paying attention to the lesson subject
being taught.
Unfortunately in my case it was dumb luck and a second
nature that looks
for hazards, you know shafts that plummet for 100ft
covered by an old
sheet of rotten plywood and 2inches of dust ,old
dynamite,
snakes,skunks,maybe a bear or lion or my favorites a
heard of (Javelina)
30 wild pigs that you have trapped in front of you and
the only way out
is over me 1000 stitches later .I truly did not think
of gas at the
time I just got this off feeling and turned us around
or we would still
be there sort of anorexic looking
Bruce
| Message 21
Subject: Re: Re Forum group
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| Message 22
Subject: RE: geo-hydroponics(digesters)
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 14:25:06 -0500 (CDT)
Mark,Kris and others The Urban farm is also one of my
goals Mark just
think a few weeks ago you were just a lurker and now
your flying with
the flock welcome.Wouldn't it be nice if we could
setup a series of
collective input show place operations to
teach from
Bruce
| Message 23
Subject: Re: my system diagrams
From: kris book
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 13:55:54 -0600
I see nothhhhhhing!
| Message 24
Subject: Re: other lists
From: kris book
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 14:44:12 -0600
Mike,
I just went over the list of mailing lists that you
posted, and I don't
see either a list called biodigestion or a list for
biogas. Which list
has the experts on biodigestion
kris
Ok friends here goes
.I had written a few mails
yesterday and
WHAM
.power cut
.!! Deflated me just a bit
had to
remind maself I
couldnt change what wasnt meant to be.Here are a few lists that I have or have been
connected to.My advice to you is to send a message to these lists
with a subscribe in
the message. MOst of them will then bounce with
correct subscription
messages. I dont remember all the subscription
codes
. sorry.
Go to egroups.com and there you can do a search for
almost any theme
your heart desires
Good listing!!
Mike
JAMAICA
aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
microhydro 'at' yahoogroups.com
hydrolist 'at' hydroponics.org
digestion 'at' crest.org
AQUARIUM 'at' LISTSERV.CC.EMORY.EDU
tilapia 'at' yahoogroups.com
homestead 'at' listserv.unc.edu
bioenergy 'at' crest.org
bioconversion 'at' crest.org,
gasification 'at' crest.org,
digestion 'at' crest.org
greenbuilding 'at' crest.org
stoves 'at' crest.org
facilitiesengineers 'at' mainzone.com
mycology 'at' egroups.com>,
,
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 13:47:27 -0700
Bruce,
This group definetly has more than its share of
adventurers. Next time you
go cave / mine shaft exploring, take Martha Stuart
with you as the
proverial, "Canary in a Cage".
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Schreiber
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Sunday, July 22, 2001 12:06 PM
Subject: RE: geo-hydroponics(digesters) Caution on Gas
Toxicity
Mark You were lucky that because of your training you
recognized the
hazard and lived .I guess there is something to be
said for being alert
in class and paying attention to the lesson subject
being taught.
Unfortunately in my case it was dumb luck and a second
nature that looks
for hazards, you know shafts that plummet for 100ft
covered by an old
sheet of rotten plywood and 2inches of dust ,old
dynamite,
snakes,skunks,maybe a bear or lion or my favorites a
heard of (Javelina)
30 wild pigs that you have trapped in front of you and
the only way out
is over me 1000 stitches later .I truly did not think
of gas at the
time I just got this off feeling and turned us around
or we would still
be there sort of anorexic looking
Bruce
| Message 26
Subject: Roald Gundersen's urban food production
From: kris book
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 15:01:43 -0600
For all you urban farmers, this should be mandatory
reading
http://www.mwt.net/~roald/index.html
| Message 27
Subject: Re: Does anyone do this:
From: Raul Vergueiro Martins
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:12:52 +0100
Hi Kris:
I've never measured that.
Your idea is not impossible. In the case of
Agaricus, wich need low temperatures, I
would think about producing them in the underground of
a greenhouse, and force CO2 inside
it.
Raul Vergueiro Martins
rvm 'at' sti.com.br
kris book wrote:
> Raul,
>
> Pardon me but, my brain always has one more
question. Do you have any
> idea how much mushrooms can raise the CO2 levels in
a confined space? As
> you probably know, there are about 300 ppm (parts
per million) of CO2 in
> the air we breathe but, plants thrive with up to 7
times that amount. It
> seems to me, if mushrooms create a lot of CO2, then
we should build a
> mushroom room near the greenhouse and a storage tank
there also, so we
> could hold the CO2 until we are ready to feed it to
the plants.
>
> kris
| Message 28
Subject: Re: geo-hydroponics(digesters) Caution on Gas
Toxicity
From: Raul Vergueiro Martins
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:13:39 +0100
Hello Steve.
Thanks for the inputs.
I know these details quite well, but they will be
important to the friends of the list.
In all the large sized biodigesters we built, we
allways used to clean biogas from H2S,
even the gas was used just for burning.
Raul Vergueiro Martins
rvm 'at' sti.com.br
"Hurst, Steve ( China)" wrote:
> Hi,
> Been following this thread with interest, as I
also intend to build
> a Bio-Digester.
> As I work in the Natural Gas Process Industry,
thought I would pass on a
> note of caution with regard to the unwanted part of
Bio-gas, i.e. Hydrogen
> Sulphide.
> Believe the topic is relevent to the list as there
are quite a few people
> involved
> in the discussion.
>
> Following up on the comment on toxicity of gases,
one of the most Toxic
> gases
> known is actually the Hydrogen Sulphide ( H2S
)component of Bio-Gas,
> that needs to be removed.
> Smells like rotten eggs, but dont be fooled by this
as even in low
> concentrations,
> the olfactory sense of the brain quickly becomes
overwhelmed and loses the
> ability to smell this gas.
> This then makes Hydrogen Sulphide "odourless".
>
> Hydrogen Sulphide is Heavier than air.
> Explosive Range of H2S is Extremely wide, from 4.3%
to 46% by volume.
> It is Highly soluble in water and liquid
Hydrocarbons at elevated pressures,
> and will be released as a gas again at ambient
temperatures
> ( use this concept for designing your H2S scrubber !
).
> When Burnt, H2S produces another toxic gas, Sulphur
Dioxide ( SO2 )
>
> Toxicity range :- ( PPM , Parts Per Million )
> 0.003 -.02 =Odor Threshold
> Above 10 ppm , Toxic, wear Respiratory Protection
> Below 10 ppm, Quickly Deadens sence of smell
> Above 300 ppm, Considered Immediately dangerous to
Life and Health ( IDLH
> )
> Above 500 ppm, Attacks Respiratory sence in brain,
causes loss of
> Consciouseness within 15 mins.
> Above 700 ppm, Rapid loss of consciousness and
death.
> Above 1000 ppm, Immediate loss of consciouseness and
death.
>
> Biogas can easily amass concentrations within these
ranges above.
> Also bear in mind, gas scrubbers as would be needed
to remove the H2S,
> usually
> have a recyclable liquid as the medium. This
recycling process can quickly
> produce abnormally
> high concentrations in the area, such as in a
containment area, or building
> associated with this process.
>
> H2S, as has already been mentioned, is highly
corrosive. Even stainless
> steels are
> not immune. Vessels, pipework etc really needs to be
316 stainles, or Monel.
> However, even these high dollar materials are not
immune, H2S can produce
> Sulphide
> Stress cracks in 316 stainless Vessels.
> Carbon Steels do not last very long at all ! (
including the inside of an
> Engine )
> The Higher the temperatures, the worst the effect.
>
> Hope these notes have been of some help to you
budding gas-producers out
> there !
>
> Steve H
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Raul Vergueiro Martins [mailto:rvm 'at' sti.com.br]
> Sent: 22 July 2001 06:36
> To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
> Subject: Re: geo-hydroponics(digesters)
>
> Hello Kris:
>
> kris book wrote:
>
> > Senhor Martins,
> >
> > I read on the Renewable Energy list that methane
gas is quite toxic and
> > dangerous.
>
> Yes, it is quite toxic in very large quantities, and
it is dangerous as it
> is a
> combustible gas.
>
> > They recommend that ethanol and biodiesel are a
much better products to
> > make from biodigesters. Your views on this
subject, please.
>
> Ethanol from a biodigester?
> We produce here ethanol from sugar cane.
> I can't say anything about biodiesel. I heard
about the process, but I
> have had no time
> to read about it.
>
> Raul Vergueiro Martins
> rvm 'at' sti.com.br
| Message 29
Subject: Re: Does anyone do this:
From: kris book
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 15:21:46 -0600
Raul,
I am pleased to be on the same page with you.
kris
:
> Hi Kris:
>
> I've never measured that.
> Your idea is not impossible. In the case of
Agaricus, wich need
> low temperatures, I
> would think about producing them in the underground
of a greenhouse,
> and force CO2 inside
> it.
>
>
> Raul Vergueiro Martins
> rvm 'at' sti.com.br
| Message 30
Subject: RE: mushrooms
From: "Carlos R. Arano"
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 21:02:04 -0300
My friends:
You know, I'm a fellow that likes to have everything
in its place. This list
is about aquaponics. Some related matters are welcome.
Off list subjects,
when short and circunstantials, are also nice from
time to time. I'm not
planning to correct the human condition. But the abuse
is not good, and I
feel some unsubscriptions to the list during the last
month were caused by
it.
Since many of you wants to know more about mushrooms
and their possibilities
of growing them by hydroponics or aquaponics, I will
do it as short as
possible.
First question: are somebody able to grow consistently
40 to 60 pounds/sq.m.
of Agaricus by crop (4 crops/year) using some non
composting procedure? If
the answer is Yes, BINGO !
Second question: using an organic nutricious solution
are somebody able to
keep away Dactylium, Venticilium, Bacterial, Brown
Plaster mould, White
Plaster mould, truffle, Fusarium, Chaetomium, Die
Back, Diehliomyces, Mummy,
La France, Mycogone, Sporendonema, yellow molds,
etc.etc.etc.? Again, if the
answer is Yes, BINGO, BINGO, BINGO !!!
Talking about Agaricus, the common and most popular
white or brown mushroom
you get cheap at the store, micelium is prepared in
laboratories under
extreme sterile conditions. To do that, you need, for
instance, an
agar-potato-yeast support (organic). Any microorganism
in the air could find
this agar soup very convenient to him. If you do that,
you always will find
that microorganisms will beat in very few days to the
mushroom micelium.
Suposse you get in 15 days your Petri or your lab tube
full with good
micelium. You have to do the transfer under same
conditions to grain (wheat,
sorgum, etc). (organic again). If cleaning and
sterilization of grain was
not correct, what happen?. Contamination of your
spawn.
Until here we were in laboratory. Controls are easy.
Third question: what could be expected in the
production units under
production conditions with all that microorganisms in
the air if the find a
medium as agar ? This is the battle to play if you
want to have
hydroponicaly grown mushrooms.
> > One of the battles to play in order to get it is
> > fundamentally competitors macro and
microorganisms. If somebody get
> it, that
> > person will be the new Bill Gates.
Organic liquis are excellent for them. How much it
will cost to have
everything under controlled sterile conditions ? That
is my question, only
that.
Too long !. Remember, mushrooms are very complex. To
grow they need sugars.
In composting techniques they get them breaking
cellulose. For Agaricus we
used wheat straw blended with horses droppings and
additives.For Pleurotus
wheat straw alone with gypsum and soy meal. For
Shi-i-take medium hard woods
sawdust. etc. For morels there are some techniques tha
uses kitchen scraps,
Etc. etc
Each mushroom has an specific substrate.
Sometimes you can grow some mushroom using the
substrate of other mushroom.
For instance, I did with Shi-i-take using Pleurotus
substrate. I get some,
but productivity was very low.
Enough?. If you are here you will appreciate my
Thank you for your kindest.
Regards,
Carlos
| Message 31
Subject: RE: my system diagrams
From: "Ron Brooks"
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:31:15 -0400
sure can , though if I thought of it I should have
drove there myself it is
only 1.5 hours away lol
Ron
The One Who Walks Two Paths
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com
-> [mailto:aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com]On Behalf Of
Mark Allen Wells
-> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 12:36 PM
-> To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
-> Subject: RE: my system diagrams
->
->
-> Thanks Ron!
->
-> After your initial post, I contacted the director
-> at the Piketon Research Center
.his is taking some
-> pics of their system for us
will you post them
-> if I send them too you?
->
-> Mark
->
->
| Message 32
Subject: Re: geo-hydroponics(digesters) Caution on Gas
Toxicity
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:03:50 -0500 (CDT)
Arlos martha would be good to take up to the Bananza
hills with me 450
miles west of Anchorage if I go back for another round
of panning for
the huge amounts of gold dust there. the Brownys dont
get to see humans
very often and it helps to have some one along that I
can out run.
Bruce
| Message 33
Subject: Re: Roald Gundersen's urban food production
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:38:42 -0500 (CDT)
My god Kris this straw bale greenhouse aloan is worth
looking close at.
Hey Mirriam check it out
and it just so happens that I am deliveing to two
places in Lacross Wi.
tomorow the only catch is that i start at 3:30 AM I'm
going to try to
see it .Thanks for the leed Kris
| Message 34
Subject: Re: other lists
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:20:25 -0700
Hello Kris,
Im sorry that I wasnt specific. The group that you
need to check out is
digestion 'at' crest.org. Cool set of guys and real
"leaders" in the field
involved on the group too.
Walk Good!!
Mike.
JAMAICA.
kris book wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> I just went over the list of mailing lists that you
posted, and I don't
> see either a list called biodigestion or a list for
biogas. Which list
> has the experts on biodigestion
>
> kris
>
> Ok friends here goes
.I had written a few mails
yesterday and
> WHAM
.power cut
.!! Deflated me just a bit
had to
remind maself I
> couldnt change what wasnt meant to be.> Here are a few lists that I have or have been
connected to.> My advice to you is to send a message to these lists
with a subscribe in
> the message. MOst of them will then bounce with
correct subscription
> messages. I dont remember all the subscription
codes
. sorry.
> Go to egroups.com and there you can do a search for
almost any theme
> your heart desires
>
>
> Good listing!!
> Mike
> JAMAICA
>
> aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
> microhydro 'at' yahoogroups.com
> hydrolist 'at' hydroponics.org
>>>>>>>>>>> digestion 'at' crest.org
| Message 35
Subject: Re: Roald Gundersen's urban food production
From: kris book
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:17:31 -0600
Bruce,
I haven't visited that site for awhile but, as I
remember, Roald is
contracting with local Super Markets to put
greenhouses on the roofs of
the markets. He asked me to join him in this endeavor
but, Wisconsin is a
little to flat to suit me.
I see myself in a greenhouse somewhere at about 9,000
ft. with a wind
generator and a hydroelectric plant so we can keep
everything any
temperature we want. Do you wanna live there or just
visit? Oh, I guess
while I'm dreaming, I might as well get an earthship
and a well insulated
workshop. What do you think?
Namaste,
kris
| Message 36
Subject: Re: Re Forum group-unsubscribe me
From: "faiz rahman"
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 00:28:46 +0000
Please unsubscribe from receiveing the disci=usiion
group email as I will be away for few months. Thanks
and best wishes
Faiz Rahman
>From: "PAUL VAN DER WESTHUIZEN"
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: Re Forum group
>Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:54:23 +0200
>
>Sorry Tom this message came back to me
please acknowledge that you received.
>Regards Paul
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: PAUL VAN DER WESTHUIZEN
> To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 6:35 PM
> Subject: Re Forum group
>
>
> Hi Tom ,
> I will be travelling for the next week
and would like to ask you to unsubscribe me from the
discussion group for the time being .
> Thanks
> Paul van der westhuizen
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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:30:59 -0500
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| Message 38
Subject: RE: my system diagrams
From: "Ron Brooks"
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:38:06 -0400
Well dog-gone-it
it worked fine a little bit ago as I tested it before
emailing it out , and
in the process of trying to fix it I deleted my main
page to boot
BIG SIGH
well freeservers ftp site is down so I can not fis it
tonight will try again
and resend a note when it is up
sorry
Ron
The One Who Walks Two Paths
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com
-> [mailto:aquaponics-request 'at' townsqr.com]On Behalf Of
-> dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
-> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 5:00 PM
-> To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
-> Subject: Re: my system diagrams
->
->
-> Was anyone able to get to these pics?? They dont
seem to work for me
-> :( .
->
-> Mike
->
->
-> Ron Brooks wrote:
-> >
-> > Ok sorry for the delay but have been real busy
-> > then the scanner no longer wants to hold a civil
conversation with my
-> > computer so the nice clear concise diagrams can
not be scanned
-> , But I did
-> > try to do something in Microsoft paint
-> >
-> > so at least I think the idea will get across lol
-> >
-> > go to
http://vraquaponics.8m.com/aquaponics/system
-> >
-> > and there should be 4 pics there that I hope will
along with my written
-> > description help you visualize it :)
-> >
-> > Ron
-> > The One Who Walks Two Paths
->
| Message 39
Subject: REPP-CREST : DISCUSSION GROUPS
From: kris book
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:37:07 -0600
Here's the web page that gives instructions how to
join CREST discussion
lists. This should give instructions on how to join,
for the lists that
aren't yahoo. Thanks Mike.
http://www.crest.org/discuss2.html
| Message 40
Subject: Re: Does anyone do this:
From: Raul Vergueiro Martins
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 21:37:46 +0100
Hello Kris:
Thanks.
Raul Vergueiro Martins
rvm 'at' sti.com.br
kris book wrote:
> Raul,
>
> I am pleased to be on the same page with you.
>
> kris
> :
> > Hi Kris:
> >
> > I've never measured that.
> > Your idea is not impossible.
| Message 41
Subject: Re: geo-hydroponics(digesters)
From: Raul Vergueiro Martins
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 21:38:07 +0100
Hello Mark:
My messages are generally long too. I feel happy
that Paula is a kind and patient lady
when dealing with my messages.
Well Mark, as I usually say: - Go ahead, my friend.
You are the ownner of the world.
May The Greatest Force Of The Universe Be With You.
Raul Vergueiro Martins
rvm 'at' sti.com.br
Mark Allen Wells wrote:
> >My mission is to set a closed eco-system that will
provide all the food,
> >fuel, electricity, heating and cooling necessary to
supply a neighborhood
> >sized community with everything it needs to live
comfortably.
> -
>
> We have a similar mission Kris,
>
> When I got out of the army in 1983, my grandfather
was dying from cancer
> and I went to help them out for a while. He had one
of the traditional,
> small polyculture farms. Some steers, some hogs,
some chickens
.all
> on pasture. He lived a simple but complete live.
He hated factory farms.
> Helping that year was the best year of my life.
| Message 42
Subject: Outside Aquaponics
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Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:13:57 -0800
To: Sandman198 'at' aol.com
From: Richard Crews
Subject: Re: Fwd: Outside Aquaponics
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Bert McLaughlin write (most interestingly) --
>
>Richard, I have 16 4'x8'x6" gravel filled grow beds
outside, I am raising cur
>flowers in a 2 year UDSA Grant program and the beds
are outside because there
>were no funds to build a greenhouse under this
limited grant.
>
>You are right the hardest part of construction is
filling the beds with
>gravel (I am 69) and had to take a lot of breaks.
I can get the necessary 1/2 cubic yard into my
tag-along cart, and
back that right up to the bed. And then shovel
(glugg!) it in.
Should be emminently feasible when I have some young
energy around.
> The next hardest part was
>drilling all the holes in the irrigation grids.
I don't understand what this means.
>In Virginia we can not grow Tilapia outdoors,
Tilapia are supposed to be very tolerant of variations
in salinity,
pH, temperature, etc. What's the problem?
>so mine are in a builing and I
>pumpt he effulent to the grow beds and drain by
gravity to a 55 gal pvc
barrel in the ground and them pump that back to the
fish tanks.
>One of the greatest features of AQUAPONICS (in my
opinion) is the elimination
>of the air blower and biofilters ( the gravel bed is
the biofilter).
Ah, ha! I suspected (theoretically) you could do
that.
>BY the way, I pump the solids from the bottom of the
fish tank directly to
>the beds, no problems in 2 yeaas of operation (the
sump pump grinds up the
>solids.
Good info.
>Your system is not too small to learn a lot. you may
always expand. I started
>with a 10 gal aquarium and a greenhouse growing tray
on top of the aquarium.
>The effulent was pumped in the tray and flows down
into the aquarium by
>gravity (only 1 pump).
>
>I am in the process of designing a system of beds in
a GH and have the fish
>tanks in the ground and let the water return by
gravity. 1/2 the number of
>pumps and 1/2 the electricity .
>
>ps: you are right in having a cover over the beds,
the rains will really
>dilute your nutrients.
Thanks, Bert.
Richard
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| Message 43
Subject: WSARE Announces 2001 Award Recipients
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:31:53 -0500
Thought this might be of interest to our Western US
members. I'm sure
details of all the SARE programs are available on
their website:
http://www.sare.org
It's interesting to note the number of
producer-awarded grants. Although
the dollar amount is still not the highest percentage,
this year's producer
awards total about 50% the amount awarded to
Extension. I think it's
definitely progress for the independent growers.
Paula
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:31:36 -0600
From: Ann Stevens
Subject: WSARE Announces 2001 Award Recipients
To: SANET-MG 'at' LISTS.IFAS.UFL.EDU
News For Release: July 16, 2001
Contact:
Phil Rasmussen, Regional Coordinator
WSARE 435-797-2257 wsare 'at' mendel.usu.edu
Western Sustainable Agriculture Grants Announced:
Record High Level of=20
Funding Provided for Diverse Regional Projects
Grants awarded totaling over 2 million dollars for the
first time in=20
Western SARE program=92s 13 year history. Western
SARE=92s portion of direct=
=20
grants to farmers and ranchers increases by over 40
percent.
Logan, UT The Western Sustainable Agriculture Research
and Education grants=
=20
program awarded a record amount of funds for diverse
projects throughout=20
the West. In total, more than 60 grants valued over
$2.1 million will=20
support sustainable agriculture research, education
and professional=20
development projects in 17 states and Pacific Islands
on a diverse range of=
=20
topics.
=93After years of level funding and increasing demand,
it=92s nice to be=
able=20
to fund more valuable work that can improve
producers=92 bottom line,=
protect=20
the environment and strengthen communities,=94 said
Phil Rasmussen, regional=
=20
coordinator of Western SARE and a soil scientist at
Utah State University.
Sustainable Agriculture Research and Education
proposals and Professional=20
Development proposals were selected to receive funding
for farming=20
techniques dealing with: disease and pest control;
pollution prevention;=20
water conservation; composting for soil building and
nutrient waste=20
management; alternative cropping systems (including
agroforestry); market=20
enhancement; and system diversification, among other
related sustainable=20
agriculture topics.
This year, more than $1,400,000 was awarded to
research and education=20
projects; over $420,000 was allocated to professional
education efforts for=
=20
agricultural personnel; and over $200,000 was
earmarked for 22 producer-led=
=20
research grants. Also, $160,000 will be split among
Western states=20
Cooperative Extension programs for state-level
sustainable agriculture=20
professional development.
Grant applicants submitted proposals that were ranked
on their merit and=20
potential for achievement. Reviewers included
scientists, extension=20
professionals, producers, and public and private
sector representatives=20
from all areas of the West.
The SARE program is a Congressionally-mandated program
that is managed in=20
the West by an Administrative Council. The council of
scientists, producers=
=20
and administrators represent a variety of interests
and provide local=20
leadership to research and training efforts. It
operates in cooperation=20
with the USDA-SARE office and the Cooperative State
Research, Education and=
=20
Extension Services. Utah State University hosts the
Western SARE program=20
under the direction of Regional Coordinator Phil
Rasmussen. The region=92s=
=20
Professional Development Program is based at the
University of Wyoming and=
=20
led by Jim Freeburn.
The Western SARE program serves Alaska, Arizona,
California, Colorado,=20
Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon,
Utah, Washington,=20
Wyoming and the Island Protectorates of American
Samoa, Guam, Micronesia=20
and the Northern Mariana Islands.
###
Western Region SARE Grants Awarded 2001
State-by-State or Island Protectorate
State Grant RecipientAwardSubject
Alaska Michele H=E9bert, Univ of Alaska
Extension$10,000PDP State Impl.=
Grant
Total Funding for Alaska $10,000.00
American Samoa Faapaia Maiava, producer$5,000Tropical
Ag
Don Vargo, American Samoa Community College$10,000PDP
State Impl. Grant
Total Funding for American Samoa $15,000.00
Arizona Stephen Nelson, Univ of Arizona Envi Rsch
Lab$95,200Tropical Ag
William McCloskey, Univ of Arizona$175,227Agronomy
Kevin Fitzsimmons, Univ of Arizona Envi Rsch
Lab$68,523Ag Systems
Patricia Vigil, producer$2,768Ag Marketing
Rick Gibson, Univ of Arizona Extension$10,000PDP State
Impl. Grant
Total Funding for Arizona $351,718.00
California Kenneth Tate, Univ of California
Davis$24,714Animal Science
Louise Jackson, Univ of California -
Davis$123,399Horticulture
Michelle Vesser, producer$6,270IPM
Leonard Jolley, USDA-NRCS (PDP)$81,950Education
Steve Schwartz, California FarmLink
(PDP)$56,000Quality of Life
David Chaney, Univ of California Davis$10,000PDP State
Impl. Grant
Total Funding for California $302,333.00
Colorado Tony Daranyi, producer$6,500Animal Science
Randy Honstein, producer$6,400Soil Science
Robert Zimdahl, Colorado State Univ
(PDP)$26,672Quality of Life
Scott Cotton, Colorado State Univ, Extension
(PDP)$81,000Quality of Life
Dennis Lamm, Colorado State Univ$10,000PDP State Impl.
Grant
Total Funding for Colorado $130,572.00
Federated States Kalistus Marquez,
producer$4,160Tropical Ag
of Micronesia Engly Ioanis, producer$73,890Ag Systems
Jackson Phillip, College of Micronesia$10,000PDP State
Impl. Grant
Total Funding for Federated States of Micronesia
$88,050.00
Guam George Wall, Univ of Guam$36,081Tropical Ag
Bob Barber, Univ of Guam$10,000PDP State Impl. Grant
Total Funding for Guam $46,081.00
Hawaii Joy Matsukawa, Wheeler Elementary
School$37,980Education
Glenn Shinsato, producer$4,000Ag Marketing
Richard Bowen, Univ of Hawaii$10,000PDP State Impl.
Grant
Total Funding for Hawaii $51,980.00
Idaho Brad Geary, Univ of Idaho Parma R&E
Center$134,317Soil Science
Bonnie Jensen, producer$7,000Range Science
Kyle Wilson, producer$10,610Education
Diane Green, producer$7,385Ag Marketing
Cinda Williams, Univ of Idaho$10,000PDP State Impl.
Grant
Total Funding for Idaho $169,312.00
Mariana Islands Beato Calvo, producer$14,980Tropical
Ag
Ephram Taimanao, producer$7,485Agroforestry
Total Funding for Mariana Islands $22,465.00
Montana Alvin Bussan, Montana State
Univ$157,888Agronomy
Robert Quinn, producer$6,387IPM
Kelly Flaherty Settle, AERO (PDP)$30,024Education
Stephanie Rittmann, Pondera County Extension
(PDP)$53,827Quality of Life
Woodrow Ekegren, Montana State Univ
Extension$10,000PDP State Impl. Grant
Total Funding for Montana $258,126.00
New Mexico Steve Warshawer, producer$10,500Animal
Science
Lem Chesher$2,000Horticulture
Teresa Young, producer$10,000Ag Marketing
Greg Shultz, NewFarms$48,500Education
Craig Runyan, New Mexico State Univ$10,000PDP State
Impl. Grant
Total Funding for New Mexico $81,000.00
Nevada Hudson Glimp, Univ of Nevada$10,000PDP State
Impl. Grant
Total Funding for Nevada $10,000.00
Oregon Richard Dick, Oregon State Univ$154,652Ag
Systems
Margaret Magruder, producer$13,500Ag Marketing
Aaron Silverman, producer$6,500Ag Marketing
John Luna, Oregon State Univ Extension$10,000PDP State
Impl. Grant
Total Funding for Oregon $184,652.00
Utah Tilak Dhiman, Utah State Univ$78,000Animal
Science
Roger Kjelgren, Utah State Univ$71,686Natural Resource
Dale ZoBell, Utah State Univ$59,777Animal Science
Robert Newhall, Utah State Univ$10,000PDP State Impl.
Grant
Total Funding for Utah $219,463.00
Washington Stephen Jones, Washington State
Univ$63,641Agronomy
Mike Seraphinoff, producer$4,500Agroforestry
Mike Reichner$6,000Horticulture
Henning Sehmsdorf, producer$2,040Agronomy
Donald Nelson, Washington State Univ (PDP)$64,501Range
Science
Chris Feise, CSANR$10,000PDP State Impl. Grant
Total Funding for Washington $150,682.00
Wyoming Jon Robinett, producer$7,500Animal Science
Mike Smith, Univ of Wyoming$10,000PDP State Impl.
Grant
Total Funding for Wyoming $
| Message 44
Subject: Re: Watercress postharvest handling
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:33:36 -0500
At 03:33 AM 07/20/2001 -0500, Adriana wrote:
>Thanks Paula - This week I saw wholesale watercress
sold bunched on
>beds of ice in wax cartons. I specifically wonder if
such an extreme
>degree of cooling and humidity are essential or
whether treating it
>just like you would salad greens is adequate for
local same-day
>deliveries directly to the end-user.
Adriana - I won't argue if that's what the "industry
standard" says about
watercress, but I wonder if the product you saw was
from a local/regional
producer? And I'm not certain where you saw the
product -- was it at a
broker's warehouse, in a grocery chain central
warehouse, or was this a
producer direct selling to a restaurant. Sometimes
the term "wholesale" has
a lot of different meanings.
As I said, we had good storage life (1-2 weeks) from
packaging in sealed
poly bags with some moisture . No way you should let
watercress dry out (I
would imagine the end product ratio would be close to
what some have
described for duckweed or other "semi-water"
plants
a great loss in bulk
once they are dehydrated. And it sounds like way too
much work unless the
"presentation" is selling the product. I'm sure most
users (restaurants as
well as individuals) would prefer a product that is
contained and can be
refrigerated without special handling. Bunching for
eventual retail sales
could be a service you provide before bagging, and
would probably appeal to
your grocer customers. I'm sure they would end up
with the product on their
ice "beds" in the produce section, although I've
noticed some just going to
a more efficiently cooled display area and eliminating
the ice in many areas.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO
65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
| Message 45
Subject: Re: Marine aquaponics
From: "Arlos"
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:35:06 -0700
Bruce,
After going through several dozen sites concerning
the concentration
levels of fluoride in fish, I've seen 2 statements
which are consistent in
many that may be of concern to the group more or less.
Source waters
containing over >1.5 ppm may cause an elevated
mortality to fish eggs
(salmon studies). Accumulation of fluoride is in the
skin and bones of fish.
If anyone is interested I'll post the relevant sites.
To correct the earlier
statement concerning use of nano filtration I would
suggest an R/O to reduce
higher concentrations of metal salts. At least bench
test your waters in
scale with an R/O system that produces >50 GPD (how
odd, yes I build and
sell these too).
Arlos
"will do calculus for spare change"
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Schreiber
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Saturday, July 21, 2001 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: Marine aquaponics
Robby what have you found out about fluoride tolerance
in fish or
plants? Does it get concentrated by them? Arlos what
do you think
about it
Bruce
| Message 46
Subject: Re: geo-hydroponics(digesters)
From: pablo obiaga
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 15:56:06 -0300
Kris,
Please count me in.
pobiaga 'at' adinet.com.uy
Last february appeared a thread on the subject in the
list wich generated
much interest in me and some as usual interesting
discusion among the
members of the list.
As Adriana and Raul know, by private mailing I'm a
supporter of the aproach.
Some may remmember the laying hen manure- multifase
bidigestion in tanks -
hydroponic solution.
PAblo
>
>I know this is not the sustainable agriculture or
sustainable community
>mailing list so I've asked Senhor Martin to take this
discussion
>off-list. If anyone else is interested and Raul, his
partner Melvin
>Landers, and our own wonderful Adriana don't mind, I
will be happy to
>share the info that is generated with anyone
interested. If enough people
>speak up and Paula agrees, we can bring this thread
back to the list. So,
>in order to keep everyone's mailboxes from bulging,
send me your
>addresses and I'll compile a list of those interested
to present to the
>mailing list.
>
>
| Message 47
Subject: biodigesters
From: pablo obiaga
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:51:22 -0300
Raul:
Its so good to have you back on the
list.
PAblo
| Message 48
Subject: unsubscribe
From: "Glen E. Morrow"
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 21:26:48 -0500
| Message 49
Subject: Re: biodigesters
From: Raul Vergueiro Martins
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 23:30:31 +0100
Hello Pablo:
Thanks, my friend.
Good to meet you here too.
Raul Vergueiro Martins
rvm 'at' sti.com.br
pablo obiaga wrote:
> Raul:
> Its so good to have you back on the
list.
>
>
PAblo
| Message 50
Subject: Let's leave a list for Paula
From: kris book
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:53:24 -0600
Mike,
Getting on that digestion list was a real pain. I even
ended up at the
home page and copied the instructions and that didn't
work either. Then I
sent three different e-mails moving the "subscribe" to
different places
and finally I sent it like this and it worked.
digestionsubscribe 'at' crest.org in the send to box and
everything else
blank.
Look everyone, it has been 9 days since the first
mushroom and
biodigester discussion began. I have received 5
personal requests to
continue off-line and we've had 7 or 8 members voice
their opinion to
continue on the aquqaponics list. I've been checking
out the mailing list
web sites and starting a list aint no big deal. Since
Paula is unable to
follow all this stuff right now, I'd be willing to
start and run a list
until I get my own greenhouse.
So if anyone is mad about their mailbox size, speak
up. Normally, I
wouldn't pay much attention to complaining but, I have
just realized how
important Paula is to us all, and at this time, she
doesn't need to hear
her extended family acting childish, and I do mean
both sides of this
off-topic hassle, myself included.
So, what shall we call this new list. How about the
B.S. list(Bio
Surfers'), or the Cracked Pot list, maybe the
Caddyshack list. Come on
somebody come up with a good one.
kris book
| Message 51
Subject: lets try it one more time
From: "Ron Brooks"
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 00:05:21 -0400
Ok fixed the web site , though I think the problem
with the pictures is how
I originally drew them in paint.
So for now what I have done is to upload the 4
pictures in a self extracting
zip file that I scanned with the latest version of
Norton anti-virus with
the latest virus updates , as of tonight lol
so go to http://vraquaponics.8m.com/aquaponics/system
just tried it at it worked fine for me using explorer
so if this does not work I will just throw my hands up
in the air and go
play with some fish :)
Ron
The One Who Walks Two Paths
| Message 52
Subject: Re: Let's leave a list for Paula
From: pablo obiaga
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 02:13:20 -0300
At 20:53 22/07/01 -0600, you wrote:
>So, what shall we call this new list. How about the
B.S. list(Bio
>Surfers'), or the Cracked Pot list, maybe the
Caddyshack list. Come on
>somebody come up with a good one.
>
>
>kris book
>
Sorry, I can't avoid the image: "The Can Shakers"
PAblo
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