Aquaponics Digest - Mon 07/30/01
Message 1: Re: swamp cooler
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 2: Re: Lily vase-Betta bowl
from kris book
Message 3: Re: swamp cooler
from kris book
Message 4: Re: Lily vase-Betta bowl
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 5: Re: OT- Biogas list.
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 6: Re: swamp cooler
from kris book
Message 7: Re: swamp cooler
from "Barry Thomas"
Message 8: Re: swamp cooler
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 9: Re: swamp cooler
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 10: Re: swamp cooler -oops
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 11: Subscribing to the biogas digestion list
from Carolyn Hoagland
Message 12: USGS Field manual for water quality
testing
from Carolyn Hoagland
Message 13: Re: Lily vase-Betta bowl
from "Arlos"
Message 14: Re: Cooling for fooling
from "Brent Bingham"
Message 15: RE: Lily vase-Betta bowl
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 16: RE: Cooling for fooling
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 17: RE: Cooling for fooling
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 18: RE: Cooling for fooling
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 19: Re: Lily vase-Betta bowl
from "Arlos"
Message 20: Re: Subscribing to the biogas digestion
list
from kris book
Message 21: FW: burning corn and waste oil
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 22: RE: Subscribing to the biogas digestion
list
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 23: Re: Greenwater sludge>>methane>Humidity
from "Brent Bingham"
Message 24: Re: Cooling for fooling
from "Brent Bingham"
Message 25: other types of fish
from Teresa Blackwood
Message 26: Swamp cooler
from "Steven Medlock"
Message 27: Re: burning corn and waste oil
from "Brent Bingham"
Message 28: Re: Lily vase-Betta bowl
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 29: Re: Lily vase-Betta bowl
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 30: Re: swamp cooler
from fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce
Schreiber)
Message 31: Re: other types of fish
from "gerry magnuson"
Message 32: Re: Cooling for fooling
from "bennett"
Message 33: questions about the waste oil burners
from "bennett"
Message 34: Re: burning corn and waste oil
from "Arlos"
Message 35: RE: other types of fish
from "Chris Jeppesen"
Message 36: Re: Lily vase-Betta bowl
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 37: RE: burning corn and waste oil
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 38: Clean Burn website
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 39: RE: other types of fish
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 40: Re: Fw: AQUACONTACTS> Aquaculture Short
Course Announcement
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Message 41: SpaTreatment/AquaTrauma Center
from dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
| Message 1
Subject: Re: swamp cooler
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 00:49:55 -0700
Steven Medlock wrote:
>
> I have been seeing temps in the low 90s, which is
good with the 100 degree
> weather here. The humidity is real high, My guage
is screwed up though, but
> it is a drastic differance when I don't use it.
> Red
--
Come in Adrianna, Come in Ron Polka,
Im stepping out on unproven here, (by me) but from
what I remember being
told Red is that the swamp cooler will not really work
where the
relative humidity is high.
The gradient of low humidity high temp, to higher
humidity lower temp
"cycle" needs to be "started", by having a LOW
humidity in the first
place.
I took folks advice and didnt bother to try buidling
one as the humidity
here is quite high, today it must have been in the
nineties, it was so
humid I could almost hear my alveoles squishing.(tight chest.)
This is because the drought just broke on the weekend
with a MASSIVE
thunderstorm.
Hope that helped, but I am no expert. I hope someone
who has operated
one will remind us.
Take it easy.
Mike.
Mike
><{{{*> Mike Barnett <*}}}><
JAMAICA, West Indies
| Message 2
Subject: Re: Lily vase-Betta bowl
From: kris book
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 23:48:26 -0600
Mark,
Can you imagine those $175,000 grants available for
sustainable
agriculture when tied to an educational program.
kris
| Message 3
Subject: Re: swamp cooler
From: kris book
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 23:55:06 -0600
Steve,
I am not sure what problems humidity causes but, heat
can be a big
problem. I found most plants prefer max temps in the
80s but, when I
started using CO2 injection most plants could then
handle temps nearing
100 degrees.
kris
| Message 4
Subject: Re: Lily vase-Betta bowl
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 01:09:22 -0700
Billy Miller wrote:
>
> The lily that works best seems to be the "peace
lily", and everything can be
> purchased for less than $12 to make.
>
> Billy
--
Good points Bill!
Guys and girls remember too the aspect of air
purifiers and beauty of
certain water flows in of itself which can be made
into a pattern.
Recently in Canada I was in the home and garden
section of some major
stores and saw how just a small powerhead was used to
make a fountain
splashing over some neat stones, both for the gurgle,
and for the air
freshening effect. I saw one in particular which was
mounted in a square
shallow bowl, with stones laid out in it, in a
descending manner for a
gurgle, and a square block of slate or some such stone
which had an arch
was set inside it standing at an angle
A pump line had been inserted into the stone such that
a line of water
splashed over the head of the stone, forming a sheet
of water that you
had to look good to see, it was so clear, where you
kinda got the gist
was where you saw water splashing and heard it
gurgling in the first
stones near the front.
Dont believe in the pseudo wanna-be New AGey stuff,
but I DO believe
that some sounds are therapeutic. I have a little
lobster tank going
near my window, and the splashing of the water over
the stones in it is
very therapeutic to me. Sometimes like tonight I get
up, and all I hear
is gurgling, it is peaceful, and helps me relax.
Beware though, use wisely! Some mothers (and mean army
buddies!) use
this "sound effect" to make kids go out or pee! Take
necessary
precautions before buying your kid one of
these
lol. :)
><{{{*> Mike Barnett <*}}}><
JAMAICA, West Indies
| Message 5
Subject: Re: OT- Biogas list.
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 01:12:20 -0700
Yes I do mean the digestion list! It has been a bit
breezy
.lol
Mike.
kris book wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> You mean the digestion list, right
>
> kris
>
--
><{{{*> Mike Barnett <*}}}><
JAMAICA, West Indies
| Message 6
Subject: Re: swamp cooler
From: kris book
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 00:07:40 -0600
I am also interested to hear about practical
experience with swamp
coolers in humid climates. I've read that by
increasing the thickness of
the aspen pad that decent cooling can be achieved for
humans comfort. And
I know that a swamp cooler can cool a path about 7 or
8 degrees F
directly in front of its discharge port. But all my
greenhouse experience
has been in dry climates.
kris
| Message 7
Subject: Re: swamp cooler
From: "Barry Thomas"
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 07:45:50 +0100
Some useful (as usual) info from Ron Polka re evap
cooling, posted to the
Hydrolist a few months ago:
***************************************
At 08:46 AM 4/20/2001 -0700, you wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: Brent Bingham
To: Hydroponics Mailing List
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: Chiller& high temperature
I believe the higher the elevation the faster water
boils / evaporates. In a
conventional evaporation cooling system I believe it
becomes more efficient
at higher elevations due to the heat of evaporation
being lower. Put water
in a vacuum it boils at room temperature and the
boiling water gets colder,
if I remember my Physics.
Brent
Brent
The reason water will evaporate more easily at
higher elevations is
the vapor pressure differential between liquid water
and the surrounding
air. Plus air movement across the water surface,
wherever it may occur
enhances this mass transfer. This elevation effect is
real but small when
compared to the issue of relative humidity at any
given location.
The real driving force in evaporative cooling
systems is what is
commonly referred to as the wet bulb depression. This
is the temperature
difference between the incoming air across an
evaporative cooling pad and
the wet bulb temperature under a given set of
conditions. A well designed
cooler can only achieve a cooling effect equivalent to
70 or 80 % of the wet
bulb depression. Under conditions where it is
relatively humid, such as 50
to 60 % RH or higher evap coolers do not work well. To
give you an example
at 90 deg and 60 % RH the wet bulb temp is 78.5 deg.
That 11.5 deg
difference is the maximum cooling that is available.
Whereas in dry climates
the evap coolers work very well. At 20 % RH and 90 deg
the wet bulb temp is
63 deg, this 27 deg temp difference making the cooling
system work much
better.
Ron Polka
Southwest Technology Development Institute
New Mexico State University
Box 30001, Dept 3SOL
Las Cruces, NM 88003
rpolka 'at' nmsu.edu
********************************************
| Message 8
Subject: Re: swamp cooler
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 02:00:18 -0700
Barry Thomas wrote:
>
> Some useful (as usual) info from Ron Polka re evap
cooling, posted to the
> Hydrolist a few months ago:
>
Thanks for that. I knew Ron had posted something,
mistook the lists, no
wonder I didnt find it yet. Wrong folder. Appreciate
it Barry!!
What a list
!!! :>
--
><{{{*> Mike Barnett <*}}}><
JAMAICA, West Indies
| Message 9
Subject: Re: swamp cooler
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 03:45:37 -0500
That is correct Mike. A search of the archives for
Ron Polka's
superb dissertation on the lack of effectivenss of
evaporative coolers
in high humidity climates is a must. Basically an
evap cooler pushes
additional moisture into the air, causing a
temperature drop in the
process. If humidity is already low the air can't
absorb any more.> Come in Adrianna, Come in Ron Polka,
> Im stepping out on unproven here, (by me) but from
what I remember
being
> told Red is that the swamp cooler will not really
work where the
> relative humidity is high.
| Message 10
Subject: Re: swamp cooler -oops
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 03:58:03 -0500
Oops! If humidity is already HIGH the air can't absorb
any more
> process. If humidity is already low the air can't
absorb any
more.
| Message 11
Subject: Subscribing to the biogas digestion list
From: Carolyn Hoagland
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 08:52:33 -0500
Hi Gang,
I just subscribed by sending a blank message to:
digestion-digest-subscribe 'at' crest.org
This will get you all the messages in Digest form. (A
summary of the
messages at the top of the page, then all the messages
are shown to
you in one long message).
Carolyn
| Message 12
Subject: USGS Field manual for water quality testing
From: Carolyn Hoagland
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 08:54:20 -0500
I ran across this website and thought it might be
useful to you all.
http://water.usgs.gov/owq/FieldManual/
Carolyn
| Message 13
Subject: Re: Lily vase-Betta bowl
From: "Arlos"
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 07:14:38 -0700
Mike,
PT Barnam said it best
but your last statement
said it best of all
I
turn the lav sink water on in the morning to shave and
I have my wife
running for the bathroom. I'd hate to think what a
fountain in the bedroom
would be like running all night
.=)
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Sunday, July 29, 2001 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: Lily vase-Betta bowl
>Billy Miller wrote:
>>
>
>> The lily that works best seems to be the "peace
lily", and everything can
be
>> purchased for less than $12 to make.
>>
>> Billy
>
>--
>
>Good points Bill!
>
>Guys and girls remember too the aspect of air
purifiers and beauty of
>certain water flows in of itself which can be made
into a pattern.
>Recently in Canada I was in the home and garden
section of some major
>stores and saw how just a small powerhead was used to
make a fountain
>splashing over some neat stones, both for the gurgle,
and for the air
>freshening effect. I saw one in particular which was
mounted in a square
>shallow bowl, with stones laid out in it, in a
descending manner for a
>gurgle, and a square block of slate or some such
stone which had an arch
>was set inside it standing at an angle
>A pump line had been inserted into the stone such
that a line of water
>splashed over the head of the stone, forming a sheet
of water that you
>had to look good to see, it was so clear, where you
kinda got the gist
>was where you saw water splashing and heard it
gurgling in the first
>stones near the front.
>
>Dont believe in the pseudo wanna-be New AGey stuff,
but I DO believe
>that some sounds are therapeutic. I have a little
lobster tank going
>near my window, and the splashing of the water over
the stones in it is
>very therapeutic to me. Sometimes like tonight I get
up, and all I hear
>is gurgling, it is peaceful, and helps me relax.
>Beware though, use wisely! Some mothers (and mean
army buddies!) use
>this "sound effect" to make kids go out or pee! Take
necessary
>precautions before buying your kid one of
these
lol. :)
>
>
> ><{{{*> Mike Barnett <*}}}><
> JAMAICA, West Indies
>
| Message 14
Subject: Re: Cooling for fooling
From: "Brent Bingham"
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 17:23:57 -0700
Waste oil is free at; car dealers, lube shops,truck
stops, etc. One gallon
of waste oil has 140,000 BTU's of free energy. Less
than 6 quarts of oil
will produce 14+ tons of air-conditioning (cold water
at 45 F) BTU is energy
necessary to heat one pound of water 1 degree F. A ton
of ac is 12,000 BTU's
+ or -.
The boiler is automatic it kicks on if the temperature
falls under the 195 F
necessary to keep the ac unit percolating. As a rule
you need 3 BTU's per
inside cubic foot of space
to be cooled ( assuming R-23 insulation).
You can get computer programs to calculate heat gain
and loss through
windows walls doors etc. etc. but you come out very
neat the same 3 BTU's
per cu/ft.
If you are in a remote local with no waste oil the
evacuated tube solar or
similar collectors work as well. 210 F is the optimum
to get 100 % of
capacity. Accompany in Colorado USA
makes Biomass electric generators from which you could
get waste heat. It
makes a gas from the smoke
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Cooling for fooling
> gutierrez-lagatta wrote:
> >
> > Brent,
> > I assumed that Mike's question was how to take
advantage of a rare
> > commodity in the tropics - cool water and air, to
produce something
> > cheaper than in other locations. Am I correct
Mike?
>
> Yes, Adrianna. You are right. (I havent forgotten
you, was just away!!)
> Brent used waste oil to heat his cooling machine. I
would like to use
> heliostats, or solar troughs
another fascination
of mine
>
>
>
> > One thought I had along these lines, Mike, is to
take advantage of the
> > cool water and air to grow plant species which
normally don't grow in
> > the tropics, for example pansies and a lot of
lettuces, etc.
> Think tulips, daffodils, spring bulbs.>
> I hear you. I know things like the lettuce would do
well. For me it is
> the difference between moving away from my parish,
or staying close by.
> I need a sure winner to start with, but I am sure
that the flower market
> is one that could be looked into.
>
> Brent, where do you get your waste oil in bulk?
> And how often do you have to fire the "jenny" up??
> Could you give us some comparisons, as to how much
water, oil for how
> much cooling etc? or what thumb rules are you
using?? You have been
> patient enough on all the questions for the other
group, please bear
> with us here too.> Just give us a feel of how much cooling we can
expect. Knowing the
> statistics is one thing, I know. But sometimes
hearing that you cool a
> 1500 sq ft home plus 8000 gals of water plus etc.every X hours, from
> xa degrees down to xb degs.
> Something like that??
> Im sure people like Ron Polka and I would appreciate
that.
>
> (smile.)
>
> Mike
>
| Message 15
Subject: RE: Lily vase-Betta bowl
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 10:31:18 -0500
>Dont believe in the pseudo wanna-be New AGey stuff,
but I DO believe
>that some sounds are therapeutic. I have a little
lobster tank going
>near my window, and the splashing of the water over
the stones in it is
>very therapeutic to me. Sometimes like tonight I get
up, and all I hear
>is gurgling, it is peaceful, and helps me relax.
Me too, Mike.
There are several studies out there on the calming
effects of moving
water
.watching fish in an aquarium. I was serious
when I said that
none of the therapy I went through helped me as much
as watching my
fish
.LOL:) Anyone who has been around a wastewater
plant much will
you it can be very calming to stand near the aeration
tanks or discharge
stream at night.
I think there is a whole other revenue stream here.gifts, educational and theraputic systems. This can
be a great front
end for produce and fish. What about teaching
it?
.Showing art teachers
how to use it their class
.then the biology
teacher
.then the chemistry
teacher. How about teaching nurses to use it in
nursing homes? I am going
to have lots of fun with this one day soon!
later.mark
| Message 16
Subject: RE: Cooling for fooling
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 10:39:10 -0500
>Waste oil is free at; car dealers, lube shops,truck
stops, etc. One gallon
>of waste oil has 140,000 BTU's of free energy.
Some states may require a permit to handle waste oil.
It would be a
good idea to check before setting something up.
I have thought about trying to market zero hydrocarbon
waste oil systems
to businesses like the ones you mentioned above
.as
well as solid bio-mass
pellet/corn systems with an emphasis on corn. My
farmer cousins told me
I can get burnable grain from their feedmill (<14%
moisture) that they
will no use for grain for free.
Mark
| Message 17
Subject: RE: Cooling for fooling
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 10:49:47 -0500
>My farmer cousins told me I can get burnable grain
from their feedmill
(<14% moisture) that they will no use for grain for
free.
Ooops
.sorry for the typo
.that was "
no longer
use".
I hate typos
LOL>I need a proof reader.
Mark
| Message 18
Subject: RE: Cooling for fooling
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 10:49:48 -0500
My farmer cousins told me I can get burnable grain
from their feedmill
(<14% moisture) that they will no longer use for grain
for free.
-----
I should have mentioned the reason they don't use it
for feed
.small
amounts of mold. It would be a good idea to protect
your lungs from
the dust and wear a dust mask when handling it. If
you live in the
cornbelt like I do though, it is a cheap fuel.
Mark
| Message 19
Subject: Re: Lily vase-Betta bowl
From: "Arlos"
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 09:10:06 -0700
A fish and flower bowl are a lot cheaper than a 1 oz
bag of buds for
therapy
. hard to say what is going to calm the
savage beast.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Allen Wells
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Monday, July 30, 2001 8:31 AM
Subject: RE: Lily vase-Betta bowl
>>Dont believe in the pseudo wanna-be New AGey stuff,
but I DO believe
>>that some sounds are therapeutic. I have a little
lobster tank going
>>near my window, and the splashing of the water over
the stones in it is
>>very therapeutic to me. Sometimes like tonight I get
up, and all I hear
>>is gurgling, it is peaceful, and helps me relax.
>
>Me too, Mike.>
>There are several studies out there on the calming
effects of moving
>water
.watching fish in an aquarium. I was serious
when I said that
>none of the therapy I went through helped me as much
as watching my
>fish
.LOL:) Anyone who has been around a wastewater
plant much will
>you it can be very calming to stand near the aeration
tanks or discharge
>stream at night.
>
>I think there is a whole other revenue stream here.>gifts, educational and theraputic systems. This can
be a great front
>end for produce and fish. What about teaching
it?
.Showing art teachers
>how to use it their class
.then the biology
teacher
.then the chemistry
>teacher. How about teaching nurses to use it in
nursing homes? I am going
>to have lots of fun with this one day soon!
>
>later.>mark
>
| Message 20
Subject: Re: Subscribing to the biogas digestion list
From: kris book
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 11:17:50 -0600
While we are on this subject, please check out this
web site. Steve
Spence has a great Renewable Energy list and
newsletter. He is very
accessible and has a world of knowledge at his
disposal, that he happily
shares. He drives a car that runs on discarded
McDonald's french fry oil
(yellow grease is the name, if you want to do a search
on this
technology)
kris
http://www.webconx.com
________________________________________________
On Mon, 30 Jul 2001 08:52:33 -0500 Carolyn Hoagland
writes:
> Hi Gang,
>
> I just subscribed by sending a blank message to:
>
> digestion-digest-subscribe 'at' crest.org
| Message 21
Subject: FW: burning corn and waste oil
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 12:36:45 -0500
Considering the price of fuel across the country are
there any
efforts to produce methanol in Indiana on a large
scale and is it
feasible to produce it on a farm for heating purposes
in an
aquaponics application?
-
Arlos,
I am very frustrated with the powers that be here in
Indiana when
it comes to renewable energy. Our neighbors in
Kentucky and Ohio
are stepping up public pressure, education and policy
to develop
a more stable and sustainable energy infrastructure.
Our farms need
it
.the cities need it. Indiana lags behind in this
area. Minnesota
has made great strides towards this.
http://www.me3.org/
Yes it is very feasible to heat a farm, greenhouse,
home, etc. with
corn fed boilers. I have an article I cut out of the
paper about
farmers in Iowa saving big bucks by converting propane
to corn that
was going to waste during the huge price increases
last winter.
Those adds for "EPA approved" waste oil burners kind
of scare me. We
have both been around long enough to see many regs
change. What
may be approved today may be illegal tomorrow. The
systems that
interest me produce zero hydrocarbons. They are more
expensive but
far more efficient at combustion. They provide test
data (I'd be
leary of a company that doesn't provide it.) These
should stand up to
changing regs. One company here in the US is the Black
Gold Corp.I liked what I read there a while back
.I couldn't
get their site
a minute ago but the addy was
http://www.blackgoldcorp.com
There are some good ones in Europe too.
time for work
.take it easy
mark
| Message 22
Subject: RE: Subscribing to the biogas digestion list
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 12:41:27 -0500
While we are on this subject, please check out this
web site. Steve
Spence has a great Renewable Energy list and
newsletter. He is very
accessible and has a world of knowledge at his
disposal, that he happily
shares. He drives a car that runs on discarded
McDonald's french fry oil
(yellow grease is the name, if you want to do a search
on this
technology)
kris
http://www.webconx.com
________________________________________________
Thanks kris,
I read an article about the bio-diesel veggie van in
Homepower
magazine and have been interested in Bio-diesel ever
since. It
used waste deep fryer oil too.
mark
| Message 23
Subject: Re: Greenwater sludge>>methane>Humidity
From: "Brent Bingham"
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 13:42:00 -0700
Phoenix almost never gets humidity above 70 %. By
definition the unit must
evaporate water to work. You can get into dew point
and relative humidity
but the point is as the humidity goes up they do not
work as well.
The best you can expect is about a 20 degree
temperature drop from a
conventional swamp cooler ( evap-unit ). Anything is
better than heat
killing your crop !
Brent
----- Original Message -----
From: "kris book"
To:
Cc:
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: Greenwater sludge>>methane>Humidity
> Steve H,
>
> I am still not sure about what you said,
>
> " Can 'at' t set up an evap cooler as its to humid "
>
> I'll rephrase. I don't understand how 97% humidity
outdoors, when sucked
> through an evaporative cooler is more harmful than
the excessive amount
> of heat it removes. I've been in greenhouses near
Phoenix that stay about
> 80 degrees F when it's a 120 outside. I mean isn't
100% per cent humidity
> as high as humidity can go and is that harmful to
plants?
>
> kris
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2001 07:58:14 +0800 "Hurst, Steve (
China)"
> writes:
> > Kris,
> > I dont know what the climate is in Vietnam. A lot
of the climates
> > are
> > often "loosely" called tropical. Big difference
though, between
> > sub-tropical
> > and Tropical. There are Seven different
Sub-climate classification
> > regions
> > across the Philipines alone.
> > I have seen Humidity readings of 97%. It depends
a lot on your
> > location, wind movement etc. I live in an area
thats completely
> > landlocked.
> > There are 9,000 feet mountains on 3 sides. Almost
No wind movement
> > at all.
> > So the Humidity levels just climb as soon as the
Sun comes up.
> > Only time I see any steam is first thing in the
morning, around
> > 6.30, the steam starts coming off the surrounding
hills. By 7.30,
> > its
> > already
> > so hot that its gone. The sweat just does not
evaporate from your
> > body.
> >
> > Even now, during Rainy Season, I never see any
steam. Everything is
> > just
> > very wet.
> > Water temps stay between 26C to 31C, all year
round.Night and day.
> > Perfect Tilapia temps !
> >
> > At certain times of the day, and in a location
that has a bit more
> > wind
> > movement, a swamp cooler might work a little bit,
for a while I
> > guess.
> > Doubt if its very energy efficient though. I also
doubt if the
> > comfort
> > factor would be any better than using a small
electric fan.
> >
> > Personally I feel more un-comfortable in cold
Humid-air, than I do
> > in hot
> > humid air.
> > My Pigs Just need shade. They get hosed down 2
times a day when
> > they
> > are cleaned. I Don 'at' t know a lot about Pig
Breeds
Maybe they are a
> > different
> > breed
> > better suited to the Tropics.
> >
> > I have seen a few ideas mentioned on the list
though, such as
> > keeping the
> > Greenhouses
> > cool, that I will try at some stage. Just to see
if I can drop the
> > temps a
> > Degree.
> >
> > Steve H
> >
> >
> > SNIP
> > >I've heard the same thing mentioned here on the
list about it being
> > to
> > >humid for a swamp cooler. Please expand on this.
I was in Viet Nam
> > for
> > >wonderful vacation in 1970 and we used swamp
coolers. If the
> > humidity is
> > >90+% outside the greenhouse, how can a little
more moisture hurt.
> > Man , I
> > >remember living in 3 feet of water for 2 months
straight during
> > monsoon
> > >season. It was so hot and humid that 5 minutes
after the rain
> > stopped the
> > >steam would start going back up to the sky.
> >
> > >kris
> >
>
| Message 24
Subject: Re: Cooling for fooling
From: "Brent Bingham"
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 14:26:02 -0700
If you can get grain consider looking at it from the
"highest and best use "
point of view. If nothing else make methanol first,
then look at the by
products for there uses. You can cut nearly 60 % of
the diesel used by
injection 100 proof alcohol in the air intake( 50-50
water and methanol ).
The federal register has all the current laws but rule
of thumb you can burn
oil you have a ownership position in. Also you can
burn oil
that "do it your sellers" drain. I did not say this
but I have never been
on an operation that was 100 in compliance on
everything, EPA OSHA workers
comp, insurance, building codes, plumbing, water
runoff, etc. etc.
If the oil does not contain hazardous waste we use it.
We get calls every
day from people wanting to give us oil. That said if
you are down town
LA don't do it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
To:
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 8:39 AM
Subject: RE: Cooling for fooling
> >Waste oil is free at; car dealers, lube shops,truck
stops, etc. One
gallon
> >of waste oil has 140,000 BTU's of free energy.
>
> Some states may require a permit to handle waste
oil. It would be a
> good idea to check before setting something up.
>
> I have thought about trying to market zero
hydrocarbon waste oil systems
> to businesses like the ones you mentioned above
.as
well as solid
bio-mass
> pellet/corn systems with an emphasis on corn. My
farmer cousins told me
> I can get burnable grain from their feedmill (<14%
moisture) that they
> will no use for grain for free.
>
> Mark
>
| Message 25
Subject: other types of fish
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 15:00:43 -0700
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| Message 26
Subject: Swamp cooler
From: "Steven Medlock"
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 17:34:32 -0500
considering I have no real info to share, I will tell
you this. We have very
high humidity in Mo. now and my swamp cooler seems to
do very little. My
concern was am I adding more humidity to the air,
causing problems with
tomato blooms? It is crazy the plants are growing
great.
Red
| Message 27
Subject: Re: burning corn and waste oil
From: "Brent Bingham"
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 15:40:25 -0700
Mark,
The laws can change but the grandfather laws cover
most everything.
This is the US of A , they taught us in high school
government that you
cannot make a law today to make something I did
yesterday illegal. In the
last 8 years 10 states have reversed themselves and
made "recycling waste
oil for heat legal by law. Today only California will
not allow the burning
of waste oil except in a ship. Oh and ships that put
into California ports
get very good prices on the oil, they will nor let
there own citizens use.
It seems there is big bucks in port fees and lots of
union jobs on the
docks. The EPA knows that waste oil will be dumped if
it is hard or costly
to get rid of. You can bur oil that is not legal to
ship due to
contamination.
If any one is interested I can get the legal site up
for your review.
Few people realize that almost no oil is recycled to
use in a car any more.
It is burned to crack crude oil down into usable
product. We started using
home made oil burners, then went to store bought
units. We have about 18
years hands on experience with oil burners. There is
only one clear leader
in the manufacture of oil burners and that is Clean
Burn. They build about
50 % of all oil burners sold in the US. We have owned
all most every brand
and have worked on all of them. Before you consider
buying and brand contact
at least 12 owners who have had there unit 5 years or
more. We checked in
our own back yard 14 years ago then replaced the
brands we purchased first.
By last count every Clean burn sold in southern Utah,
southern Nevada all of
Arizona and southern New Mexico
were all steel working. That is over 400 units. We use
so many of them my
relatives started selling them about 10 years ago. It
is easy to compare
brands but contacting owners is the best.
Brent
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
To: "Aquaponics"
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 10:36 AM
Subject: FW: burning corn and waste oil
> Considering the price of fuel across the country
are there any
> efforts to produce methanol in Indiana on a large
scale and is it
> feasible to produce it on a farm for heating
purposes in an
> aquaponics application?
>
>
> -
> Arlos,
>
> I am very frustrated with the powers that be here in
Indiana when
> it comes to renewable energy. Our neighbors in
Kentucky and Ohio
> are stepping up public pressure, education and
policy to develop
> a more stable and sustainable energy infrastructure.
Our farms need
> it
.the cities need it. Indiana lags behind in
this area. Minnesota
> has made great strides towards this.
http://www.me3.org/
>
> Yes it is very feasible to heat a farm, greenhouse,
home, etc. with
> corn fed boilers. I have an article I cut out of
the paper about
> farmers in Iowa saving big bucks by converting
propane to corn that
> was going to waste during the huge price increases
last winter.
>
> Those adds for "EPA approved" waste oil burners kind
of scare me. We
> have both been around long enough to see many regs
change. What
> may be approved today may be illegal tomorrow. The
systems that
> interest me produce zero hydrocarbons. They are more
expensive but
> far more efficient at combustion. They provide test
data (I'd be
> leary of a company that doesn't provide it.) These
should stand up to
> changing regs. One company here in the US is the
Black Gold Corp.> I liked what I read there a while back
.I couldn't
get their site
> a minute ago but the addy was
http://www.blackgoldcorp.com
> There are some good ones in Europe too.
>
> time for work
.take it easy
> mark
>
>
>
| Message 28
Subject: Re: Lily vase-Betta bowl
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 17:53:05 -0500 (CDT)
Mark that was a spatheum lilly they sell that set up
in pet shops
Bruce
| Message 29
Subject: Re: Lily vase-Betta bowl
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 18:03:30 -0500 (CDT)
The Betta Splendinins (Siamese fighting fish) get to
about 3 inches at
about 2 years old and can be and are grown up in glass
cups to
marketable size .In nature they will spawn in flooded
ox tracks
Bruce
| Message 30
Subject: Re: swamp cooler
From: fishmanbruce 'at' webtv.net (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 18:14:33 -0500 (CDT)
Guys out west I lived with swamp coolers for 20 years
and they work real
fine except in areas that are real humid than they
actualy make you
hotter
Bruce
| Message 31
Subject: Re: other types of fish
From: "gerry magnuson"
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 13:28:59 -1000
aloha, why are they prohibited? Research, yellow
perch, hybrid striped bass,
and koi fish
>From: Teresa Blackwood
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>Subject: other types of fish
>Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 15:00:43 -0700
>
>We just found out that Tilapia are prohibited in our
area. What other
>kinds of fish would be good for an aquaponics system
similar to S&S Aqua
>Farm's????
| Message 32
Subject: Re: Cooling for fooling
From: "bennett"
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 20:46:50 -0400
>If the oil does not contain hazardous waste we use
it. We get calls every
>day from people wanting to give us oil
Gosh! Where are you located? Here getting it from
service stations,
garages, quick lube shops, whatever, is almost
impossible. Big tank trucks
come in and buy their used oil. Not a ghost of a
chance a "little person"
could get it at all.
D.
| Message 33
Subject: questions about the waste oil burners
From: "bennett"
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 20:55:57 -0400
Do they smoke much?
Do they smell much?
Are they dirty?
Does the heat leave a greasy around the building it's
heating?
About how often do they need refilled?
About how many gallons of oil would one use to
say
.heat a 26x96 greenhouse
to 50 deg. when the outside temp. averages 20 deg.?
Well, that's just an
example. If you can give some other example, I'd
appreciate it.
About how much does one of these stoves cost?
Are they available as "whole house furnace" type
units?
Are they available as small, single room units?
Does Clean Burn have a web site?
Thanks for any info you can provide. The cost of
heating is the thing that
has held me up from setting up my indoor fish farm.
| Message 34
Subject: Re: burning corn and waste oil
From: "Arlos"
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 18:25:53 -0700
Brent,
You made a great point about conditions here in
California. It is not
always environmental concerns that drive regulations.
The $ still reigns
supreme and drives the horse before the cart. I can
think of a few things
I'd rather toss on the fire this next winter but most
of them hold office in
Sacramento right now and you can't buy 'em by the cord
yet.
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: Brent Bingham
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Monday, July 30, 2001 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: burning corn and waste oil
>Mark,
>The laws can change but the grandfather laws cover
most everything.
>This is the US of A , they taught us in high school
government that you
>cannot make a law today to make something I did
yesterday illegal. In the
>last 8 years 10 states have reversed themselves and
made "recycling waste
>oil for heat legal by law. Today only California will
not allow the burning
>of waste oil except in a ship. Oh and ships that put
into California ports
>get very good prices on the oil, they will nor let
there own citizens use.
>It seems there is big bucks in port fees and lots of
union jobs on the
>docks. The EPA knows that waste oil will be dumped if
it is hard or costly
>to get rid of. You can bur oil that is not legal to
ship due to
>contamination.
>If any one is interested I can get the legal site up
for your review.
>
>Few people realize that almost no oil is recycled to
use in a car any more.
>It is burned to crack crude oil down into usable
product. We started using
>home made oil burners, then went to store bought
units. We have about 18
>years hands on experience with oil burners. There is
only one clear leader
>in the manufacture of oil burners and that is Clean
Burn. They build about
>50 % of all oil burners sold in the US. We have owned
all most every brand
>and have worked on all of them. Before you consider
buying and brand
contact
>at least 12 owners who have had there unit 5 years or
more. We checked in
>our own back yard 14 years ago then replaced the
brands we purchased first.
>By last count every Clean burn sold in southern Utah,
southern Nevada all
of
>Arizona and southern New Mexico
>were all steel working. That is over 400 units. We
use so many of them my
>relatives started selling them about 10 years ago. It
is easy to compare
>brands but contacting owners is the best.
>
>Brent
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mark Allen Wells"
>To: "Aquaponics"
>Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 10:36 AM
>Subject: FW: burning corn and waste oil
>
>
>> Considering the price of fuel across the country
are there any
>> efforts to produce methanol in Indiana on a large
scale and is it
>> feasible to produce it on a farm for heating
purposes in an
>> aquaponics application?
>>
>>
>> -
>> Arlos,
>>
>> I am very frustrated with the powers that be here
in Indiana when
>> it comes to renewable energy. Our neighbors in
Kentucky and Ohio
>> are stepping up public pressure, education and
policy to develop
>> a more stable and sustainable energy
infrastructure. Our farms need
>> it
.the cities need it. Indiana lags behind in
this area. Minnesota
>> has made great strides towards this.
http://www.me3.org/
>>
>> Yes it is very feasible to heat a farm, greenhouse,
home, etc. with
>> corn fed boilers. I have an article I cut out of
the paper about
>> farmers in Iowa saving big bucks by converting
propane to corn that
>> was going to waste during the huge price increases
last winter.
>>
>> Those adds for "EPA approved" waste oil burners
kind of scare me. We
>> have both been around long enough to see many regs
change. What
>> may be approved today may be illegal tomorrow. The
systems that
>> interest me produce zero hydrocarbons. They are
more expensive but
>> far more efficient at combustion. They provide
test data (I'd be
>> leary of a company that doesn't provide it.) These
should stand up to
>> changing regs. One company here in the US is the
Black Gold Corp.>> I liked what I read there a while back
.I couldn't
get their site
>> a minute ago but the addy was
http://www.blackgoldcorp.com
>> There are some good ones in Europe too.
>>
>> time for work
.take it easy
>> mark
>>
>>
>>
>
>
| Message 35
Subject: RE: other types of fish
From: "Chris Jeppesen"
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 19:29:51 -0700
Teresa
In my S&S system I have koi, goldfish kissing gourami,
and pacu. The koi and gold fish are easy to get but
have a dubious market value.
My wife found a book in the city library FISH FARMING
IN YOUR SOLAR GREEN HOUSE. It was printed by the amity
foundation who did their work in Oregon. They list
Goramis, Snakeskin Gorami (Trichogaster pectoralis)
and Kissing Gourami (Helostoma temmincki).
Temperature:75-80 degrees F for good growth. Below 55
degrees may be lethal. Oxygen: Can survive in waters
low in oxyen due to ability to breathe atmospheric
air. Ammonia: Keep NH3 below 0.15 ppm. PH:jGrow well
between 6.5-8.5. Gouramis are widely cultured in Asia
as a food fish. They belong to a family of fish
adapted to breathe atomospheric air and can survive in
water that has little or no oxygen. These fish have
been successfully used in polyculture with tilapia and
carp. They said they had not grown them but relied on
reports of others to recommend them.
The Pacu I know little about, but for discussions on
this list.
Oh I forgot I have a few Blue gills. But the book said
they did not do as well as carp, tilapia or oscars.
They said oscars are good to eat and keep the tilapia
population down. Hum ?
I think any thing will work (depending on your water
temp and quality) But you need a source and a market.
From: Teresa Blackwood
We just found out that Tilapia are prohibited in our
area. What other > kinds of fish would be good for an
aquaponics system similar to S&S Aqua > Farm's????
>Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 15:00:43 -0700
> Teresa Blackwood other types
of fish aquaponics 'at' townsqr.comReply-To:
aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>
>We just found out that Tilapia are prohibited in our
area. What other kinds of fish would be good for an
aquaponics system similar to S&S Aqua Farm's????
>
><< msg2.html >>
| Message 36
Subject: Re: Lily vase-Betta bowl
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 22:46:51 -0700
Bruce Schreiber wrote:
>In nature they will spawn in flooded ox tracks
> Bruce
--
Bruce you always have that little last line fact that
blows me away!!
lol Keep it coming
. :)
><{{{*> Mike Barnett <*}}}><
JAMAICA, West Indies
| Message 37
Subject: RE: burning corn and waste oil
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 23:20:10 -0500
Brent,
I appreciate all the info (especially the corn stuff).
I wasn't sure if there were any regs governing waste
oil
burning or not
but after years of dealing with the
EPA
and Indiana Dept. of Environmental Management, I just
like
to make sure I am in compliance
.even when it seems
like
a lot of BS (which many regs are). I've seen
businesses
shut down or fined for things they were never even
aware of.
A little homework can save a lot of hassle. You just
made my
homework for tonight a little easier
.LOL> thanks
again.
Mark
| Message 38
Subject: Clean Burn website
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 23:26:46 -0500
Here is the Clean Burn FAQ page.a good place to start for those interested
in waste oil
http://www.cleanburn.com/FAQ.cfm
Mark
| Message 39
Subject: RE: other types of fish
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 23:39:53 -0500
>Oh I forgot I have a few Blue gills. But the book
said they
did not do as well as carp, tilapia or oscars. They
said oscars
are good to eat and keep the tilapia population down.
Hum ?
----
It depends on the water temps and type of blue gill.
Hybrids
can grow and thrive in lower temps that tilapia can
barely
live in.
Mark
| Message 40
Subject: Re: Fw: AQUACONTACTS> Aquaculture Short
Course Announcement
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 00:03:50 -0700
Geoff Wallat wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jensen, Gary - CSREES/PAS
> To: 'aquacontacts 'at' reeusda.gov'
> Date: Thursday, July 26, 2001 2:17 PM
> Subject: AQUACONTACTS> Aquaculture Short Course
Announcement
>
> >Please distribute the following announcement to
others who may have an
> >interest.
> >
> >Gary Jensen
> >USDA-CSREES
> >_______________________
> >
> >PRACTICAL SHORT COURSE ON AQUACULTURE FEED
PREPARATION, NUTRITION AND FEED
> >MANAGEMENT
> >
> >August 26-31, 2001
> >
> >A one-week Practical Short Course on Aquaculture
Feed Preparation,
> Nutrition
> >and Feed Management will be presented on August
27-31, 2001 at Texas A&M
> >University by staff, industry representative and
consultants. This program
> >will cover information on designing new feed mills
and selecting conveying,
> >drying, grinding, conditioning and feed mixing
equipment. Current practices
> >for preparing full-fat soy meal; recycling
fisheries by-products, silage,
> >raw animal products, and secondary resources;
extrusion and pelleting
> feeds;
> >spraying and coating fats, digests and
preservatives; use of encapsulated
> >ingredients and preparation of premixes are
reviewed. Practical preparation
> >of sinking and floating feeds, pellet durability -
larvae to feed-out
> size -
> >are demonstrated on four major types of extruders -
dry, expander-type,
> >single- and twin-screw, using various shaping dies.
Reservations are
> >accepted on a first-come basis. For more
information, programs and
> >application forms, contact:
> >
> >Dr. Mian N. Riaz
> >
> >2476 TAMU
> >
> >Food Protein R&D Center
> >
> >Texas A&M University
> >
> >College Station, TX 77843-2476
> >
> >Phone: 979/845-2774; Fax: 979/845-2744
> >
> >E-mail: mnriaz 'at' tamu.edu
> >
> >Website: www.tamu.edu/extrusion
> >
> >Thanks for your consideration.
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >
> >Mian N. Riaz, Ph.D.
> >
> >Mian N. Riaz, Ph.D.
> >Head - Extrusion Technology Program
> >Graduate Faculty, Food Sci. & Tech. Program
> >
> >Food Protein R&D Center
> >Texas A&M University
> >College Station, TX 77843-2476
> >Tel: 979-845-2774
> >Fax: 979-458-0019
> >E-mail: mnriaz 'at' tamu.edu
> >www.tamu.edu/extrusion <
http://www.tamu.edu/extrusion>
> >
> >
>
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| Message 41
Subject: SpaTreatment/AquaTrauma Center
From: dreadlox 'at' cwjamaica.com
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 00:03:59 -0700
Mark Allen Wells wrote on the lily/betta thread:
>
How about teaching nurses to use it in nursing homes?
I am going
> to have lots of fun with this one day soon!
>
> later.> mark
--
I dunno, I feel generous tonight
. I went for a walk
in the rain with
my wife today and it was very healing. We have had
drought for so long
now and now my have a Tropical Wave heading our way!!
We had torrents of
water!!
Something I saw in the Near East but paid too little
attention to, is
the following idea. One of you may take me up on it
and make a fortune.
AS I always say, just remember to send my wife some
roses mon
.lol.
I saw where they had a very nice setup like a spa
where someone would
train fingerlings in brackish water to eat feed off
someone, in other
words, just as some brave folks put sugary solutions
on themselves and
let bees swarm them
. the same way, these fingerlings
were trained to
feed off the person, who actually immersed themselves
smeared in feed in
the water. (alternatively small pet fish could be
used
.) After they
were trained like this, they were transfered to the
spa.
People with burns and healing wounds were allowed to
soak in the salt
water, and then the fish were allowed to swarm them.
It was found that
the wounds were "surgically" nipped off, and cleaned
by the fish. Just
as some dogs have a sense of what to scratch at and
what not
.on wounds
on their masters, these fish seemed to sense healthy
tissue and what
wasnt , and attacked the critical spots, very gently
and PRECISELY.
It was shown that these burn and trauma victims
convalesced MUCH MUCH
better
.than a lot of usual treatment methods.
Maybe someone wants to take this up, in their aquap'
operation. I did
some checks across the States, and even contacted the
American Water
Therapy Assoc. but they didnt know of this.
Someone must look into it. Since Im not there yet
I
might as well
throw it out to public scrutiny
. and use. Hope
someone will find this
idea interesting.
><{{{*> Mike Barnett <*}}}><
JAMAICA, West Indies
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