Aquaponics Digest - Thu 08/16/01
Message 1: Re: Water Water everywhere. from cmollison 'at' eoec.co.za (Chris Mollison)
Message 2: Re: Seeding a Biofilter using ammonia
from cmollison 'at' eoec.co.za (Chris Mollison)
Message 3: RE: Seeding a Biofilter using ammonia
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 4: Re: Fishing the easy way-- With Dynamite
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 5: Re: Shocking a pond or a tank
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 6: Re: Ref: Lurker's raccoons
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 7: Re: Ref: Lurker's raccoons
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 8: Re: Ref: Lurker's raccoons
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 9: Gender confusion
.:>)
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 10: Re: List membership is international
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 11: water chemistry. from "Marc Laberge"
Message 12: Clearing a pond of unwanted fish
from "Leslie Ter Morshuizen"
Message 13: Politics
from "Leslie Ter Morshuizen"
Message 14: Re: water chemistry. from "gerry magnuson"
Message 15: Re: Fishing the easy way-- With Dynamite
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 16: Re: Seeding a Biofilter using ammonia
from "F.Carl Uhland"
Message 17: Re: Gender confusion
.:>)
from cmollison 'at' eoec.co.za (Chris Mollison)
Message 18: mass deaths
from Andrei Calciu
Message 19: RE: water chemistry. from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 20: Re: Seeding a Biofilter using ammonia
from "Arlos"
Message 21: Bruce and ebola
from Carolyn Hoagland
Message 22: Re: Seeding a Biofilter using ammonia
from "F.Carl Uhland"
Message 23: Re: water chemistry. from "Marc Laberge"
Message 24: Re: water chemistry. from "Marc Laberge"
Message 25: Re: Seeding a Biofilter
from Arlus Farnsworth
Message 26: Re: Water Water everywhere. from (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 27: Re: Seeding a Biofilter using ammonia
from (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 28: Ever tasted gar or bowfin?
from Carolyn Hoagland
Message 29: Re: Seeding a Biofilter using ammonia
from pablo obiaga
Message 30: vortex filters / hydrocyclones
from Carolyn Hoagland
. .
| Message 1
Subject: Re: Water Water everywhere.From: cmollison 'at' eoec.co.za (Chris Mollison)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:42:32 +0200
Bruce
You know of course that the success of the Grameen Bank is build largely on
the operating philosophy of only making loans to woman. It started off
lending to both sexes but switched to woman only, as they had a better track
record of repaying the loan!
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Schreiber"
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: Water Water everywhere.
> Arlos when are you going to be done with the Gramen bank trip so I can
> bother you with my project? I've often thought of investing in it Its a
> great cause.
> You should tell the list about it I dought many know that it is a
> grass roots operation giving loans to the poorest of the poor in the
> most destitute regions on earth and its working with a better then
> 98%repayment
> You mentioned a cooperative a while back count me in when your
> ready let me know
> Bruce
>
>
. .
| Message 2
Subject: Re: Seeding a Biofilter using ammonia
From: cmollison 'at' eoec.co.za (Chris Mollison)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:52:57 +0200
Mark
If I may say on behalf of Leslie - its a he, as in male, from Africa!
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 6:02 PM
Subject: RE: Seeding a Biofilter using ammonia
> Leslie speaks with the common sense of one with such a valuable
> perspective
> So pay attention
> Bruce
> ---
>
> I wasn't trying to sound argumentative in my post to Leslie.
> She made a valid point. But in my post I wasn't referring to places.
snip - seems inappropriate in this case! :-)
> Mark
>
>
. .
| Message 3
Subject: RE: Seeding a Biofilter using ammonia
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 00:53:50 -0500
OOOOOOOOPPPPPSSSS *blushing big time*
.I hate it when that happens.
I wrote him and a couple of others about the thread
.letting it go now.
thanks,
mark
----
Mark
If I may say on behalf of Leslie - its a he, as in male, from Africa!
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 6:02 PM
Subject: RE: Seeding a Biofilter using ammonia
> Leslie speaks with the common sense of one with such a valuable
> perspective
> So pay attention
> Bruce
> ---
>
> I wasn't trying to sound argumentative in my post to Leslie.
> She made a valid point. But in my post I wasn't referring to places.
snip - seems inappropriate in this case! :-)
> Mark
>
>
. .
| Message 4
Subject: Re: Fishing the easy way-- With Dynamite
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 01:05:12 -0500
I would love the name of the product. I tried turning the aerator off. Had
it off for a long time, but nothing happened. It was cool back then though.
If this product would work within a couple of days that would be great. Just
wonder how long the residual effects would be. I would truly, truly hate to
rotenone the pond. I worked hard at getting my frog population up and they
probably wouldn't like the rotenone very much.
Pls. get back to me if you would
.Thanks
.Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: Fishing the easy way-- With Dynamite
Another way to "shock" a pond is with some product which depletes all
of the oxygen out of the pond. It's non-selective and all of the
fishies go bye-bye. If you want a name of the product I can ask my
farm landlady who is considering "shocking" her pond this way.
> Do any of you gurus out there have any expertise in electrical
shocking of
> ponds? I have a bunch of "crap" fish that I want to get rid of, but
I don't
> want to poison the pond due to all of the other life in there.
Adriana
. .
| Message 5
Subject: Re: Shocking a pond or a tank
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 01:07:38 -0500
Hi Andrei,
Sounds expensive & complicated. Thanks a lot for the input though.
Yours truly
.Steve
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 5:18 PM
Subject: Shocking a pond or a tank
You can shock a tank by injecting CO2 in the water and turning off your
aerator. The same principle could work for a pond, but you may need more
hoses.
-_______________
Andrei D. Calciu (VA-4270)
NEC America, Inc.
14040 Park Center Dr.
Herndon, VA 20171-3227
Voice: 703-834-4273
Fax: 703-787-6613
This message and any attachment are confidential. If you are not the
intended recipient, please telephone or email the sender and delete the
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| Message 6
Subject: Re: Ref: Lurker's raccoons
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 01:52:57 -0500
Hi Mick,
Have one of them climb up a tree, hang on with 3 legs and use the other leg
to reach over to one of your birdfeeders and empty the whole thing onto the
ground so they can eat it. He's in coon heaven. Amazing what a 22 magnum
will do at about 15'. (Too cute to shoot
.NEVER!)
The Irish Spring soap really works though.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mick"
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: Ref: Lurker's raccoons
STEVE SPRING wrote:
> Hi Gang,
>
> In reference to Mickey's problem with the raccoons. He said if you have
> problems with
> raccoons, just place some Irish Spring soap around. The "coons" hate it.
> Well, I use several of Jerry's concoctions, so I thought I would try this.
> NOT ONE RACCOON PROBLEM SINCE. Now, everytime I bury any fish or fish
> remains, I always shave some Irish Spring soap on the spot. Works like a
> charm!
>
> Steve
That's handy info, Steve. I heard moth balls are a repellant too. I'll try
them both, thanks.
We had a truce with the raccoons. They left my chickens alone if I left cat
food and chicken food out for them to eat. It worked for a year. No
chickens
killed and no hooliganism. Then, I left a bag of fish food where they could
get
at it. One taste and they wanted more. When I put the fish food in a
tamper-proof metal container, the raccoons broke into the barn and caused
all
that havoc with my aquaponics system. They also killed half my chickens the
next night. So now it's WAR even though they're too cute to shoot. Maybe
I'll
soap 'em away.
Mick
. .
| Message 7
Subject: Re: Ref: Lurker's raccoons
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 01:56:06 -0500
Jerry Baker says a mild solution of liquid hand soap and water. I haven't
tried this yet but I'm going to. I'm starting to have an ant problem.
ss
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim"
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: Ref: Lurker's raccoons
That's why my dogs live in the greenhouses
Beagles are the best
raccoon repellent I know
and they're easier to keep out of the fish
feed, although Doc (the old man of the pack) has been known to feast
when given half a chance
Speaking of home remedies, I recently had an ant infestation, and chased
'em off the property with dilute apple vinegar
Lots of good in the old
ways
Jim
Mick wrote:
>
>
> That's handy info, Steve. I heard moth balls are a repellant too. I'll
try
> them both, thanks.
>
> We had a truce with the raccoons. They left my chickens alone if I left
cat
> food and chicken food out for them to eat. It worked for a year. No
chickens
> killed and no hooliganism. Then, I left a bag of fish food where they
could get
> at it. One taste and they wanted more. When I put the fish food in a
> tamper-proof metal container, the raccoons broke into the barn and caused
all
> that havoc with my aquaponics system. They also killed half my chickens
the
> next night. So now it's WAR even though they're too cute to shoot. Maybe
I'll
> soap 'em away.
>
> Mick
. .
| Message 8
Subject: Re: Ref: Lurker's raccoons
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 02:04:34 -0500
Hi Arlos,
Again, try the Irish Spring soap shavings. The coons will stay away. As far
as the Blue Herons (They were eating my frogs.), .22 magnums work well on
them too.
(But you can't scare them away. They are too stupid. You have to do the
"final solution".)
(Just for the record, I would never do anything like this myself. I will
deny it to my dying breath.)
Contrary to popular belief, they are not endangered species. I checked.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlos"
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: Ref: Lurker's raccoons
CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG
. LOL next thing you know, they'll get their
grubby little hands on our pin numbers. they've managed to open almost every
latch I've put on the garbage barn, cat door, cupboards. they get used to
motion detector lights, sprayers and radios. Only thing that gets them back
on their side of the fence is my Springer, Louie. They haven't bothered my
abalone but they do forage for anything they can put out of or off the rocks
at all tide levels at the ocean. Blue Herons and snowy Egrets are another
big problem here Pretty to look at even though they help themselves to
everyone's Koi, net or no net but unfortunately you can't use 'em for
weather stripping in the winter.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mick
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Monday, August 13, 2001 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: Ref: Lurker's raccoons
>
>
>STEVE SPRING wrote:
>
>> Hi Gang,
>>
>> In reference to Mickey's problem with the raccoons. He said if you have
>> problems with
>> raccoons, just place some Irish Spring soap around. The "coons" hate it.
>> Well, I use several of Jerry's concoctions, so I thought I would try
this.
>> NOT ONE RACCOON PROBLEM SINCE. Now, everytime I bury any fish or fish
>> remains, I always shave some Irish Spring soap on the spot. Works like a
>> charm!
>>
>> Steve
>
>That's handy info, Steve. I heard moth balls are a repellant too. I'll
try
>them both, thanks.
>
>We had a truce with the raccoons. They left my chickens alone if I left
cat
>food and chicken food out for them to eat. It worked for a year. No
chickens
>killed and no hooliganism. Then, I left a bag of fish food where they
could get
>at it. One taste and they wanted more. When I put the fish food in a
>tamper-proof metal container, the raccoons broke into the barn and caused
all
>that havoc with my aquaponics system. They also killed half my chickens
the
>next night. So now it's WAR even though they're too cute to shoot. Maybe
I'll
>soap 'em away.
>
>Mick
>
>
>
. .
| Message 9
Subject: Gender confusion
.:>)
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 02:06:04 -0500
Along the same lines, might you be a he-Chris or a she-Chris :>) ?
> If I may say on behalf of Leslie - its a he, as in male, from
Africa!
>
> Chris
. .
| Message 10
Subject: Re: List membership is international
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 02:11:42 -0500
Hi Arlos & Paula,
I think we all will survive. Look at the things I have posted when I have
been dog-tired and had no business on the list at all. I'm always forgiven.
I just try to not do it anymore because I have such respect for this list
and all that are on it.
Luv to all
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlos"
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: List membership is international
No problem Puala, I'm sure I'll get plenty of the same tomorrow.-----Original Message-----
From: S & S Aqua Farm
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Monday, August 13, 2001 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: List membership is international
>My apologies to the group -- Guess that will teach me to post when I'm so
>tired! It's been a while since I've violated one of my own pet peeves --
>sending messages to the group when they are meant for an individual.
Sorry
>
>WHAT A DAY!
>Paula
>
>
. .
| Message 11
Subject: water chemistry.From: "Marc Laberge"
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 03:42:14 -0400
Here's a little puzzle for the water chemistry gurus
. My water was lacking
Iron and phosphates. Just before closing down the lab for July, I took a
sludge sample under the floating rafts. A small amount of sludge was shaken
up in a vial and the Fe reading was 10 ppm, the P reading 15ppm. I then
passed this sample through a coffee filter ( I believe 10-20microns ), the
filtered water had an Fe reading of ~10 ppm but < 1 ppm P. The question is
what could the phosphate be bonding with ? This particular system was
running at a very high Nitrate concentration ~ 900ppm. Could the high
nitrate possibly be causing a complex compound which is locking up my
phosphates and not my iron ?
Also, can fly larva alter water chemistry indirectly ? I'm talking about a
massive infestation.
Anyone is welcome to take a shot at this .
Marc Laberge
Mont Tremblant
Quebec , Canada
. .
| Message 12
Subject: Clearing a pond of unwanted fish
From: "Leslie Ter Morshuizen"
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 07:33:50 +0200
Hi Steve
Why not use rotenone (Derris root)? It will knock out the fish pretty
effectively, and if you are quick with the methylene blue they can (mostly)
be revived should you wish to do so.
Leslie
> Do any of you gurus out there have any expertise in electrical shocking of
> ponds? I have a bunch of "crap" fish that I want to get rid of, but I
don't
> want to poison the pond due to all of the other life in there. I figure
that
> if I shock and "stun" the fish, I can get out what I don't want and the
rest
> will recover. I don't have any idea about what I'm talking so any help
would
> be appreciated. My pond is very small
.maybe 1/4 - 1/3 acre.
. .
| Message 13
Subject: Politics
From: "Leslie Ter Morshuizen"
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:47:20 +0200
Hi Bruce
Yes, yes, yes. Ever notice the complete disinterest the UN (our big brother
protecter) shows in the fact the Zimbabwe is on the brink of civil war
caused by a single mad man's ravings? Why does the UN, the USA and other
world powers ignore the plight of the Zimbabwian people as they are being
murdered daily, crops are being destroyed for the second consequtive season,
and the country has gone into a decline that
will cost billions to exit? Yet, when Kuwait had a problem the world was
there in no time at all with all the brass and steel to sort out big bad
Sadam. Simple, the UN, the USA and the other major
world powers are in it for purely economic gain and Zimbabwe offers them
nothing. Very sad indication of the depth of depravity man has fallen to.
Leslie
> > Did you ever notice that most of the recently
> > developed fossil fuel rich lands also have civil wars of their
> > governments against their populations centered over the fuel deposits
> > backed by the blameless oil companies.
> > Sudan,Iryenjia,Angola,East Timor, etc.etc. bla bla bla.Now that is a
> > glass ceiling if I ever saw one, a bit toxic for my tastes though,
>
>
. .
| Message 14
Subject: Re: water chemistry.From: "gerry magnuson"
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 01:39:14 -1000
do you have aluminum around? Mg and zinc may be needed to release your
P&K.
>From: "Marc Laberge"
>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>To: "aqua"
>Subject: water chemistry.>Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 03:42:14 -0400
>
>Here's a little puzzle for the water chemistry gurus
. My water was
>lacking
>Iron and phosphates. Just before closing down the lab for July, I took a
>sludge sample under the floating rafts. A small amount of sludge was shaken
>up in a vial and the Fe reading was 10 ppm, the P reading 15ppm. I then
>passed this sample through a coffee filter ( I believe 10-20microns ), the
>filtered water had an Fe reading of ~10 ppm but < 1 ppm P. The question is
>what could the phosphate be bonding with ? This particular system was
>running at a very high Nitrate concentration ~ 900ppm. Could the high
>nitrate possibly be causing a complex compound which is locking up my
>phosphates and not my iron ?
>Also, can fly larva alter water chemistry indirectly ? I'm talking about a
>massive infestation.
>
>Anyone is welcome to take a shot at this .
>
>Marc Laberge
>Mont Tremblant
>Quebec , Canada
>
. .
| Message 15
Subject: Re: Fishing the easy way-- With Dynamite
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 07:32:21 -0500
Steve,
I haven't had a chance to talk to June yet, but I suspect it is
rotenone, which has been suggested by others. Here's what I found in
a web search:
"Rotenone works by inhibiting a biochemical process in the fish cells,
resulting in an inability of fish to use oxygen in the release of
energy during normal body processes. In effect, the fish suffocate due
to lack of oxygen. But, contrary to popular belief, rotenone does not
remove oxygen from the water. Fish treated with rotenone move to the
shallow water or to the surface of deeper water, gasping for oxygen
within a few minutes of exposure to the chemical."
I don't know how it affects other species. For a discussion of the
pros and cons of using rotenone for pond reclamation go to
http://www.adirondackexplorer.com/septdebatable.html
Adriana
> I would love the name of the product. I tried turning the aerator
off. Had
> it off for a long time, but nothing happened.
. .
| Message 16
Subject: Re: Seeding a Biofilter using ammonia
From: "F.Carl Uhland"
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:59:52 -0400
According to Vet. virology,Murphy et al. 1999, the first known (this is=20
probably important, as before the techniques for diagnosis were developed,=
=20
it is possible that deaths due to viral diseases, even aids, may have been=
=20
attributed to other things), outbreaks of hemorrhagic fever occurred in=20
technicians in Germany and Yugoslavia the were working with monkey kidneys=
=20
imported from Uganda. If I recall correctly, the technician wasn't there=20
before the disease, but in response to suspicicious deaths, and also the=20
fatal infection of a health care worker. It is a particularly nasty beast,=
=20
and though a conspiracy makes for interesting reading, I am more in the=20
camp of a species jump after viral mutation or change. It has been=20
documented for several animal diseases, certain Influenza strains for=
example.
Carl
At 21:47 15-08-01 -0500, you wrote:
>. Ebola Zaire broke out in the far distant
>back waters of Zaire. It is a devastating disease that kills like wild
>fire. The first person that died was a laboratory technician.!! How
>can it be that a laboratory technician chose to go all the way to the
>hinterland to study an out break that had not yet happened unless he
>brought it with him sorta bringing his work home with him? Chance you
>say I say no chance It was a lab test 93% certain.
>Some where some one is deliberately starting these plagues to kill off=20
>unwanted population but
>who?And why?
F. Carl Uhland, DVM
Facult=E9 M=E9decine V=E9t=E9rinaire
University of Montreal
3200 rue Sicotte
Saint-Hyacinthe (Qu=E9bec) J2S 7C6
T=E9l: 450-773-8521; ext: 8317
Fax: 450-778-8116
Carl.F.Uhland 'at' umontreal.ca
. .
| Message 17
Subject: Re: Gender confusion
.:>)
From: cmollison 'at' eoec.co.za (Chris Mollison)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:26:04 +0200
Its a he-Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 9:06 AM
Subject: Gender confusion
.:>)
> Along the same lines, might you be a he-Chris or a she-Chris :>) ?
> > If I may say on behalf of Leslie - its a he, as in male, from
> Africa!
> >
> > Chris
>
>
>
. .
| Message 18
Subject: mass deaths
From: Andrei Calciu
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:33:31 -0400
Y'all should pick up the National Geographics over the past few months.
There is a lengthy article on this scientist who is crisscrossing the
African jungle on foot - this is a 2 year project for him and his team.
During the trip he wrote that there is a total absence of gorillas in areas
that were swarming with them 5-10 years prior to his trip. This is
attributed to Ebola most likely or possibly a combination of Ebola and
Aids. Also, we are talking here about virgin areas of the jungle, where Man
has not been prancing around, virtually eliminating weird hypotheses like
intentional infestation.
Mother nature has its own ways of telling us off when we cross the line,
and Man is not the only affected species, animals cross the line as well,
and they get it just as much as we would upon transgressing.
-_______________
Andrei D. Calciu (VA-4270)
NEC America, Inc.
14040 Park Center Dr.
Herndon, VA 20171-3227
Voice: 703-834-4273
Fax: 703-787-6613
This message and any attachment are confidential. If you are not the
intended recipient, please telephone or email the sender and delete the
message and any attachment from your system. If you are not the intended
recipient you must not copy this message or attachment or disclose the
contents to any other person.
. .
| Message 19
Subject: RE: water chemistry.From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:57:46 -0500
Hi Marc,
I'll leave the chemistry question to the others
LOL>
that one is outside of my realm. But the fly larvae question
interests me because I am working with maggots (or starting
to). When you say infestation, I take it they were not put
there as a feedstock for fish
.am I correct?
.are there
no fish in the tank with the fly larvae infestation? At Songhai
Centre they have used maggots extensively with no problems
in water quality but we may be talking about very different
situations.
sorry I couldn't help,
mark
. .
| Message 20
Subject: Re: Seeding a Biofilter using ammonia
From: "Arlos"
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 07:48:58 -0700
>According to Vet. virology,Murphy et al. 1999, the first known (this is
probably important, as before the techniques for diagnosis were developed,
it is possible that deaths due to viral diseases, even aids, may have been
attributed to other things), outbreaks of hemorrhagic fever occurred in
technicians in Germany and Yugoslavia the were working with monkey kidneys
>imported from Uganda. If I recall correctly, the technician wasn't there
Carl,
Is there any available documentation as to what level of personal
protection the lab techs were wearing when they became infected by
hemorrhagic fever. Any idea of the entrance pathway?
A research assistant at UNC became infect with Parkinson's like symptoms
for about 6 months after working with samples of pfiesteria pecasita, a
dinoflagellate previously thought to have been a phytoplankton. The pathway
was thought to have through the respiratory tract. On a note of paranoia, an
office on the same floor as the CDC in Atlanta had contacted the woman
leading this research to isolate the dinoflagellate to reproduce the
neurotoxin for military applications.
BTW, I'm extremely happy to see a DVM in the group and my wife is going to
lighten up a little knowing there are a few people from Montreal too.
Thanks for putting up with us Anglophiles.
Arlos
-----Original Message-----
From: F.Carl Uhland
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Thursday, August 16, 2001 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: Seeding a Biofilter using ammonia
According to Vet. virology,Murphy et al. 1999, the first known (this is
probably important, as before the techniques for diagnosis were developed,
it is possible that deaths due to viral diseases, even aids, may have been
attributed to other things), outbreaks of hemorrhagic fever occurred in
technicians in Germany and Yugoslavia the were working with monkey kidneys
imported from Uganda. If I recall correctly, the technician wasn't there
before the disease, but in response to suspicicious deaths, and also the
fatal infection of a health care worker. It is a particularly nasty beast,
and though a conspiracy makes for interesting reading, I am more in the
camp of a species jump after viral mutation or change. It has been
documented for several animal diseases, certain Influenza strains for
example.
Carl
At 21:47 15-08-01 -0500, you wrote:
>. Ebola Zaire broke out in the far distant
>back waters of Zaire. It is a devastating disease that kills like wild
>fire. The first person that died was a laboratory technician.!! How
>can it be that a laboratory technician chose to go all the way to the
>hinterland to study an out break that had not yet happened unless he
>brought it with him sorta bringing his work home with him? Chance you
>say I say no chance It was a lab test 93% certain.
>Some where some one is deliberately starting these plagues to kill off
>unwanted population but
>who?And why?
F. Carl Uhland, DVM
Faculté Médecine Vétérinaire
University of Montreal
3200 rue Sicotte
Saint-Hyacinthe (Québec) J2S 7C6
Tél: 450-773-8521; ext: 8317
Fax: 450-778-8116
Carl.F.Uhland 'at' umontreal.ca
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| Message 21
Subject: Bruce and ebola
From: Carolyn Hoagland
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:07:45 -0500
This is interesting but too off topic for the fish list.
How we went from >RE: Seeding a Biofilter to starting
ebola epidemics on purpose was an amazing slide down
the slope of everyday conversations.
Email me privately if you want to rant a little more,
I really am interested in the topic.
How much caffeine were you drinking last night?
Carolyn
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| Message 22
Subject: Re: Seeding a Biofilter using ammonia
From: "F.Carl Uhland"
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:35:53 -0400
Howdy howdy,
Actually I'm a redneck from central Illinois originally. I married a=20
Qu=E9becer and her country.
There are likely reports that delve more deeply in the outbreak, but I=20
don't have them on hand. The host reservoir has not been found as of=20
yet. Bats have been reported to support the virus experimentally, although=
=20
all mammals are possible (same reference as previously cited) Between=20
humans, the contact with body fluids seems to be the mode of=20
transmission. Seems like the more we discover, the less we know.
Carl
Is there any available documentation as to what level of personal
>protection the lab techs were wearing when they became infected by
>hemorrhagic fever. Any idea of the entrance pathway?
>
F. Carl Uhland, DVM
Facult=E9 M=E9decine V=E9t=E9rinaire
University of Montreal
3200 rue Sicotte
Saint-Hyacinthe (Qu=E9bec) J2S 7C6
T=E9l: 450-773-8521; ext: 8317
Fax: 450-778-8116
Carl.F.Uhland 'at' umontreal.ca
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| Message 23
Subject: Re: water chemistry.From: "Marc Laberge"
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:15:13 -0400
No the larvae were not put purposely to feed the fish. I have been
experimenting with various types of biofilters and systems over the years.
Some biofilters , even though screened will host these flies and the larvae
plug up filters and are a pain in the butt. They would be much too small to
feed my fish. I am not working with Tilapia, but with trout by the way.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Allen Wells
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Thursday, August 16, 2001 9:58 AM
Subject: RE: water chemistry.
>Hi Marc,
>
> I'll leave the chemistry question to the others
LOL>
>that one is outside of my realm. But the fly larvae question
>interests me because I am working with maggots (or starting
>to). When you say infestation, I take it they were not put
>there as a feedstock for fish
.am I correct?
.are there
>no fish in the tank with the fly larvae infestation? At Songhai
>Centre they have used maggots extensively with no problems
>in water quality but we may be talking about very different
>situations.
>
>sorry I couldn't help,
>mark
>
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| Message 24
Subject: Re: water chemistry.From: "Marc Laberge"
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:18:37 -0400
Please , please Gerry tell me more ! My lettuce leaf analyses has a little
over average amounts of Mg, average Zinc and I should not have any aluminum
in the systems.
-----Original Message-----
From: gerry magnuson
To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
Date: Thursday, August 16, 2001 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: water chemistry.
>
>do you have aluminum around? Mg and zinc may be needed to release your
>P&K.>
>>From: "Marc Laberge"
>>Reply-To: aquaponics 'at' townsqr.com
>>To: "aqua"
>>Subject: water chemistry.>>Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 03:42:14 -0400
>>
>>Here's a little puzzle for the water chemistry gurus
. My water was
>>lacking
>>Iron and phosphates. Just before closing down the lab for July, I took a
>>sludge sample under the floating rafts. A small amount of sludge was
shaken
>>up in a vial and the Fe reading was 10 ppm, the P reading 15ppm. I then
>>passed this sample through a coffee filter ( I believe 10-20microns ), the
>>filtered water had an Fe reading of ~10 ppm but < 1 ppm P. The question is
>>what could the phosphate be bonding with ? This particular system was
>>running at a very high Nitrate concentration ~ 900ppm. Could the high
>>nitrate possibly be causing a complex compound which is locking up my
>>phosphates and not my iron ?
>>Also, can fly larva alter water chemistry indirectly ? I'm talking about a
>>massive infestation.
>>
>>Anyone is welcome to take a shot at this .
>>
>>Marc Laberge
>>Mont Tremblant
>>Quebec , Canada
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Message 25
Subject: Re: Seeding a Biofilter
From: Arlus Farnsworth
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:29:17 -0700
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myco remediation
I'm not sure the exact species, you can obtain spawn from fungi perfecti
and other venues.
I would expect various agaricus would work.
dreadlox wrote:
> Arlus Farnsworth wrote:
> >
> > fungus mycelium can "actively" remove e-coli.>
> --
> Tell me more Arlus
. feed me feed me
.lol. Where do I get these
> critters
and how do I seed a tainted bed with them.
>
> ><{{{*> Mike Barnett <*}}}><
> JAMAICA, West Indies
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myco
remediation
I'm not sure the exact species, you can obtain spawn from fungi perfecti
and other venues.
I would expect various agaricus would work.
dreadlox wrote:
Arlus Farnsworth wrote:
>
> fungus mycelium can "actively" remove e-coli.--
Tell me more Arlus
. feed me feed me
.lol. Where do I get these
critters
and how do I seed a tainted bed with them.
><{{{*> Mike Barnett <*}}}><
JAMAICA, West Indies
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| Message 26
Subject: Re: Water Water everywhere.From: (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:30:30 -0500 (CDT)
Chris yes I am very aware of that.In truth Woman do tend to be much more
responsible in society than they are given credit for. They have gotten
a lot of bad rep. in the past that they don't deserve
Bruce
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| Message 27
Subject: Re: Seeding a Biofilter using ammonia
From: (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:02:34 -0500 (CDT)
Arlos Ebola infected and killed the majority of the villagers due to
dirty needles used for blood transfusing among family members . There
was no refrigeration available to store blood so using the few needles
available at the church run hospital spread Ebola much faster than it
would have on its own.
Bruce
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| Message 28
Subject: Ever tasted gar or bowfin?
From: Carolyn Hoagland
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:30:59 -0500
I was looking through a book on freshwater fish and noticed that both
of these can do well in "poorly oxygenated waters." I'm looking for
some species native to the US to stock at low density in some small
ponds.
Fish base lists them as a gamefish.
Bowfin (also called dogfish) here is a good picture:
http://www.bio.umass.edu/biology/conn.river/bowfin.html
Amia clava Family: Amiidae
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Unlike most of the other fish, Amia's swim bladder functions much like
a lung, allowing this fish to gulp air when dissolved oxygen levels
become dangerously low in the weed beds where it lives. A voracious
and opportunist feeder, it subsists on fishes including other
sportfishes, frogs, crayfish, insects, shrimps, large amounts of
vegetation.
*large amounts of vegetation*? (Hmmmm
.)
Climate: temperate; 15 - 20°C
Gars, longnose, shortnose, spotted family: Lepisosteidae
http://ngp.ngpc.state.ne.us/fish/fishbook/spec040.html
--
Occur in sluggish pools, backwaters and oxbows of medium to large
rivers, and lakes. Usually found near vegetation. Gar habitually lie
motionless near the surface, looking much like a log or a stick, and
move only to feed or to take air from the surface. A specially adapted
pharynx and air bladder make the gar one of only a few fish able to
"breathe" air. A voracious predator, feeding on various fishes and
crustaceans.
Climate: temperate; 12 - 20°C
So, how do they taste? (and are the fillets boneless?) As a kid, if
we caught a gar, we always "threw them back" (into the water). My Dad
didn't like them, so I never tasted one
Thanks,
Carolyn
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| Message 29
Subject: Re: Seeding a Biofilter using ammonia
From: pablo obiaga
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 01:44:29 -0300
Yeah Bruce,
Too poor for debt, too many to put in orbit
"Baudrillard"
Some times I feel in Herbert's Dossadi and rather be a Fremen in Arrakis.
Pablo
At 21:47 15/08/01 -0500, you wrote:
>I just love this list
> Might there be a connection Nah no way . Little Ostrich just keep
>your head in the sand a little bit longer and every thing will be fine
>.Ostrich steaks on the house tomorrow boys and you don't have to kiss it
>first
> Its time to hit the sack for a 1am start in the morning so
>good night for now Think like lives a chess match
> Bruce
>
>
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| Message 30
Subject: vortex filters / hydrocyclones
From: Carolyn Hoagland
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:48:17 -0500
Here's an interesting concept:
http://www.psl.bc.ca/downloads/presentations/cyclone/cyclone.html
Could something like this reduce the amount of water going to a
settling tank? You would only have to settle the discharge of the
hydrocyclone? Do fish solids weigh enough to be "spun out" or
centrifuged? How about suspended solids like algae, zooplankton,
etc
some of those suspended floating things must have a specific
gravity pretty close to that of water?
Carolyn
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