Aquaponics Digest - Tue 09/18/01
Message 1: Re: Property zoning
from Mick
Message 2: Re: Property zoning
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 3: Re: Where is the archive?Jim and Paula
from "Brent Bingham"
Message 4: Re: Moving on 2 years down the road
from Arlus Farnsworth
Message 5: Re: Arlus 2 years down the road
from "Brent Bingham"
Message 6: property zoning
from Teresa Blackwood
Message 7: Re: Where is the archive?Jim and Paula
from Arlus Farnsworth
Message 8: Re: Arlus 2 years down the road
from Arlus Farnsworth
Message 9: Re: property zoning
from Andrei Calciu
Message 10: ISP Notice From the Desk of Bill Davis
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 11: Re: Arlus 2 years down the road
from "Thomas Short"
Message 12: Re: 2 years down the road
from CAVM 'at' aol.com
Message 13: Re: 2 years down the road
from CAVM 'at' aol.com
Message 14: Aquaponics in Central America
from "Hiromi Iwashige"
| Message 1
Subject: Re: Property zoning
From: Mick
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 09:07:25 -0500
Chris Jeppesen wrote:
>
> Teresa
> Check with your local zoning office, city or county ask some serious questions. It would be
much better to walk away from an otherwise great buy than to buy and have less than great
relations with the powers that be. Sometimes the powers that be can be all powerful.
> chris jeppesen
Teresa,
Chris gave really good advice.
Other things to consider:
Water supply on the property. If you find a piece of property with an
existing well, make the sale contingent on water purity tests. Request
the invoice from the company that installed the well. Check depth, type
of materials used in the well shaft, and historical depth of the water
table. Make calls to all the local well digging companies and ask
questions about water availability.
If the property is located over an aquifer, or an aquifer's recharge
zone, or near a municipal water supply, the discharge regulations can be
stiff. A self-contained recirculating system circumvents these problems
but any discharge of effluent fish water will probably require a state
permit.
Make sure the type of fish you wish to raise is not considered exotic in
your state. Here in Texas, to raise the fish we are raising, we obtained
an Exotic Species Permit from Texas Parks and Wildlife. Certain strains
of tilapia are not on the exotic list but to be safe, we obtained a
permit for all types of tilapia.
In addition to the Exotic Species Permit, you will probably need to
obtain an Aquaculture License and a Discharge Permit (or exemption).
I would imagine that each state has slightly different requirements. We
ran into the nicest fellow when we first started the certification
process. Joedy Gray with Texas Parks and Wildlife spent about an hour
on the phone with us explaining all the steps to certification and who
to talk to in each agency. Hopefully, you'll find someone like him in
your state's Parks and Wildlife.
Hope some of this helps. Good luck,
Mick
| Message 2
Subject: Re: Property zoning
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 11:08:17 -0500
Teresa,
Zoning laws are unique to each county and/or municipality. In most
instances, agricultural zoning will allow you to set up this type of
operation. When I was considering land options here in Birmingham
(which has 32 distinct municipalities) I visited the zoning office of
each prospective location. The answers ranged from agricultural
zoning, manufacturing/light industrial to commercial. Make an
appointment to meet with the appropriate zoning officer and explain
what you plan to do. If you will be doing any retail sales this
further restricts/complicates your situation. When there are animals
involved there are also often minumum parcel size restrictions.
Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES rely on any assurances regarding zoning
provided by a realtor! Even if they claim to be personal lifelong
buddies with the zoning director and give you his name and number. And
then you call the guy and find out he retired 9 months ago :>)
I
can tell you from personal experience that they are often wrong,
wrong, wrong! on this subject.
At a minimum you will need a business license and probably a permit
for the fish. In my area I am required to have a business license in
every county/municipality where I deliver product, even though I
produce it and handle the business end of operations in another
jurisdiction. One county even wants me to keep track of my hours
spent in the county so that they can charge me an "occupational
business tax."
Spend a couple of days before buying property to become educated on
the issues and avoid some big pitfalls.
Good luck,
Adriana
>My family and I are getting ready to buy a piece of property and
wanted to see what kind of zoning others on this list needed to start
their S&S type aquaponics greenhouse. We would like to have the
greenhouse set up on the same piece of land we live on.
We'd also like to know how many different licenses are needed to
operate this type of busness.
| Message 3
Subject: Re: Where is the archive?Jim and Paula
From: "Brent Bingham"
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 10:13:40 -0700
I believe from some off lists posts I have received there is some confusion.
The direct answers given on the list do not seem show up in a subject
format, only a date format. Links on a verity of subjects are not
necessarily direct answers to the questions on the list. I believe the wheal
some are discussing does not exist only spokes as fare as I can find. I
believe someone wanted to take the
list and divide it into topics so it could provide an efficient way to glean
the very good answers from the information that is off the topic they are
researching.
If there is an index to the post topics I also have not found it.
Brent
----- Original Message -----
From: "S & S Aqua Farm"
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: Where is the archive?
> At 11:17 AM 09/17/2001 -0400, Andrei wrote:
> >And how does one access it?
> >
>
> Andrei - the archives are located on Jim 's website --
>
> http://www.i55mall.com/aquaponics/
>
>
> Paula
> S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
> Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
>
>
| Message 4
Subject: Re: Moving on 2 years down the road
From: Arlus Farnsworth
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 11:08:18 -0700
Yeah, I've also been thinking about biodiesel, and hydrogen. Someone
said it was possible to run diesel with a mixture of methane? I think it
was methane, from a biodigester. Maybe it was propane or butane.
Whatever, I was reading about how propane generators can be easily
modified for running hydrogen, so I suppose it could also be used to
supplement biodiesel mixture? I was ruminating on the thought that in
the future if everyone uses biodiesel, there will be a supply problem
instead of how it is now being mostly excess disposal concern. Maybe
biodiesel could be an intermediate technology to generate enough
individual capitol to invest in something cleaner like solar +
hydrogen
. the biodiesel component could then be sold to another
operation just getting started. The one issue I saw with hydrogen is the
resin filter to deionize water prior to splitting off the H from H20.
The filter is good for 3000 gallons, 30GPH and lists at $169. I suppose
the price will come down inverse to volume eventually.
> Christopher S Weller wrote:
>
> As far as leaving off of the grid I don't but have been learning alot
> from many sources on how to be .
> If you are looking for a elec alternative why not look into biodiesel
> and a diesel generator or two or how many you need
| Message 5
Subject: Re: Arlus 2 years down the road
From: "Brent Bingham"
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 11:40:50 -0700
Yes, you can use several different fuels in a diesel engine to reduce diesel
consumption, including alcohol.
Brent
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlus Farnsworth"
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: Moving on 2 years down the road
> Yeah, I've also been thinking about biodiesel, and hydrogen. Someone
> said it was possible to run diesel with a mixture of methane? I think it
> was methane, from a biodigester. Maybe it was propane or butane.
> Whatever, I was reading about how propane generators can be easily
> modified for running hydrogen, so I suppose it could also be used to
> supplement biodiesel mixture? I was ruminating on the thought that in
> the future if everyone uses biodiesel, there will be a supply problem
> instead of how it is now being mostly excess disposal concern. Maybe
> biodiesel could be an intermediate technology to generate enough
> individual capitol to invest in something cleaner like solar +
> hydrogen
. the biodiesel component could then be sold to another
> operation just getting started. The one issue I saw with hydrogen is the
> resin filter to deionize water prior to splitting off the H from H20.
> The filter is good for 3000 gallons, 30GPH and lists at $169. I suppose
> the price will come down inverse to volume eventually.
>
> > Christopher S Weller wrote:
> >
> > As far as leaving off of the grid I don't but have been learning alot
> > from many sources on how to be .
> > If you are looking for a elec alternative why not look into biodiesel
> > and a diesel generator or two or how many you need
>
| Message 6
Subject: property zoning
From: Teresa Blackwood
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 11:01:45 -0700
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| Message 7
Subject: Re: Where is the archive?Jim and Paula
From: Arlus Farnsworth
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:22:50 -0700
Aha! Some links contain multiple topics, and some topics have multiple
links
. if the link goes down, the latest snapshot can be viewed for
archival purposes. The organization of the topics can take various forms
including alphabetical, categorical, how-to steps,
intro/beginner/advanced, hobby/family-farm/industrial etc. The links
list demonstrates an example of a form. This is a list of references, or
external information grouped by link item, not by category(topic)
inclusion. What you do is go through the archive and start grouping
information topics, the presentation structure will begin to suggest
itself.
Brent Bingham wrote:
>
> I believe from some off lists posts I have received there is some confusion.
> The direct answers given on the list do not seem show up in a subject
> format, only a date format. Links on a verity of subjects are not
> necessarily direct answers to the questions on the list. I believe the wheal
> some are discussing does not exist only spokes as fare as I can find. I
> believe someone wanted to take the
> list and divide it into topics so it could provide an efficient way to glean
> the very good answers from the information that is off the topic they are
> researching.
> If there is an index to the post topics I also have not found it.
> Brent
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "S & S Aqua Farm"
>
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 7:27 PM
> Subject: Re: Where is the archive?
>
> > At 11:17 AM 09/17/2001 -0400, Andrei wrote:
> > >And how does one access it?
> > >
> >
> > Andrei - the archives are located on Jim 's website --
> >
> > http://www.i55mall.com/aquaponics/
> >
> >
> > Paula
> > S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
> > Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
> >
> >
| Message 8
Subject: Re: Arlus 2 years down the road
From: Arlus Farnsworth
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:25:24 -0700
Has anyone tried the hydrogen-biodiesel mixture?
Brent Bingham wrote:
>
> Yes, you can use several different fuels in a diesel engine to reduce diesel
> consumption, including alcohol.
> Brent
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arlus Farnsworth"
> > Yeah, I've also been thinking about biodiesel, and hydrogen. Someone
> > said it was possible to run diesel with a mixture of methane? I think it
> > was methane, from a biodigester. Maybe it was propane or butane.
> > Whatever, I was reading about how propane generators can be easily
> > modified for running hydrogen, so I suppose it could also be used to
> > supplement biodiesel mixture?
| Message 9
Subject: Re: property zoning
From: Andrei Calciu
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 15:50:13 -0400
Teresa, your aqua culture representative at the agricultural extension
office in your state will give you a flowchart with how various regulations
affect this business.
In Virginia, my rep provided a two page (yes, 2 pages) flowchart that
points out to of the business that are regulated by federal, state, and
local entities.
Yes, the EPA will jump all over you if you have a discharge, and the Army
Corps of Engineers will want to talk to you if your land has any wetlands,
and so on and so forth. Only NASA will not bother you, unless your farm can
be seen from space ;-) You may even be required to get a permit to take
water out of the ground.
Anyway, to make a long story - short, your first stop should be at the
State extension office. Then go to your particular local jurisdiction with
the list in hand and get the right permits.
-_______________
Andrei D. Calciu (VA-4270)
NEC America, Inc.
14040 Park Center Dr.
Herndon, VA 20171-3227
Voice: 703-834-4273
Fax: 703-787-6613
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| Message 10
Subject: ISP Notice From the Desk of Bill Davis
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 17:26:40 -0500
Below is a notice I received today. Please read the article at the URL
listed for more information
and be careful out there!
Paula
----
>Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 14:41:07 -0500
>VIRUS ALERT
>
>DO not open any mail with an attachment called readme.exe
>
>More information to follow
>
>This is a virus that has proven to delete all contents on a hard
>drive
.>
>THIS IS A VERY VERY NASTY ATTACHMENT
.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>From: "Bill Davis"
>Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 15:41:11 -0500
>
>http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/01/09/18/010918hnworm.xml
>
>Above is a link about the virus and it's affects
We have all of our
>servers updated we do this daily to insure that we
>are protected as much as possible
.Looks as if we may see the first real
>test of the Internet strength if this article is correct
We will be
>monitoring this through out the night to see the affect on the
>Internet
>>Thank You
>Bill Davis
>Townsqr Internet System Administrator
>417-256-3848
| Message 11
Subject: Re: Arlus 2 years down the road
From: "Thomas Short"
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 18:12:26 -0700
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Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 12:43 PM
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Subject: Re: Arlus 2 years down the road
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> Brent
> ----- Original Message -----
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> > was methane, from a biodigester. Maybe it was propane or butane.
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| Message 12
Subject: Re: 2 years down the road
From: CAVM 'at' aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 21:34:14 EDT
Forgive me for being so lazy. I will post a reprint from Watewatts newsgroup
about the Babinton burner. It is home made (hand made if you prefer) but
seems very effective.
Cornelius A. Van Milligen
---
From: John Archibald
To: wastewatts 'at' yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 16, 2001 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [wastewatts] Waste Motor Oil
>Ken,
>
>I suggested a while back the same thing, but I took it a bit further.
>Use the Babington Nozzle to burn the stuff. Works for waste crankcase
>oil and should for waste vegetable oil too.
>
>See U.S. patent No. 3,425,058
>
>I've actually built one of these Babington Nozzles
. when I worked n
>Canada in 1980 / 81. A tiger by the tail!
>
>Archibald
>
>Ken Boak wrote:
>>
>> Listers,
>>
>> Because of the problems associated with waste motor oil as a result of
over
>> zealous Federal Bureaucrats, why not switch to waste vegetable oil?
>>
>> Burning the stuff directly in a suitable heater/furnace must be better
than
>> mixing it with methanol and caustic soda, and using it as biodiesel. At
>> least in a combustion process, you have the opportunity to utilise the
bulk
>> of the heat energy, rather than just 25 to 35% of it as in an automotive
>> application.
>>
>> Interesting to note, that even for small industrial diesel engines (Hatz,
>> Lombardini, Robin, Yanmar etc) in the 5 to 15hp size, that the fuel
>> efficiency can be as high as 35%. With water cooling, additional heat
>> energy could be recovered from the cooling circuit.
>>
>> Now all we need to do is make this type of engine a little less fussy on
its
>> fuel type, so that raw waste veg oil (WVO) can be burnt directly.
>>
>> Ken
>>
| Message 13
Subject: Re: 2 years down the road
From: CAVM 'at' aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 21:37:28 EDT
For burning old hay bales, junk wood and misc fuels the Taylor Water Stove is
the best bet. You can toss logs in it or broken pallets, or whatever. It is
not self-feeding so you have to keep up with the fuel needs.
Cornelius A. Van Milligen
Kentucky Enrichment Inc
| Message 14
Subject: Aquaponics in Central America
From: "Hiromi Iwashige"
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 21:17:08 -0500
My brother and his family have been working in self-help and material aid
projects in Nicaragua for the past four years. The idea of aquaponics holds
a lot of appeal for him as a means of helping people provide food for
themselves and as a source of income. Does anyone on this list who has
experience in the tropics wish to volunteer to share their knowledge and
experience directly with my brother? He understands and speaks Spanish. He
has a background in farming and construction.
For aquaponics to be successful in many of the areas in which he works,
the system would have to be very low-tech since even electricity is
unavailable in certain locations. Availability of water varies with the
coming of rainy and dry season. He is also concerned about security issues.
His brother-in-law raised tilapia successfully in cages in ponds in Costa
Rica but the fish were sometimes stolen just as they approached readiness
for market
Please post to the list or email me if you have something to offer. My
brother, Lowell Miller, is here in Kansas now but plans to return to
Nicaragua as soon as his supporting agency approves international air travel
again for their workers.
The terrorism of last Tuesday seems like an "eternity" ago, but the
grief we feel and the humility we seek before God to respond to all of our
worldwide neighbors with compassion and love flows sometimes like a flood
and sometimes ebbs coward-like in the face of such awful acts. I think
often of the "Hound of Heaven" (a phrase from an otherwise forgotten poem)
Who pursues us relentlessly in a quest--not to destroy us--but to perfect
his own image in us. That constancy of good will from His heart is my
Source of hope in this dark time.
God bless us everyone.
Miriam Iwashige
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