Aquaponics Digest - Tue 10/09/01
Message 1: Another Asian Vegetable - Pechay
from "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
Message 2: Re: Another Asian Vegetable - Pechay
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 3: RE: Another Asian Vegetable - Pechay- + Question
from "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
Message 4: Re: Another Asian Vegetable - Pechay- + Question
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 5: RE: Another Asian Vegetable - Pechay- + Question
from "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
Message 6: Paula, please help
from Andrei Calciu
Message 7: losing flowers and other greenhouse stuff
from Mick
Message 8: Re: losing flowers and other greenhouse stuff
from conrad wilkins
Message 9: Re: Another Asian Vegetable - Pechay- + Question
from Jim Joyner <>
Message 10: Hi Paula, Would you like some help?
from "Thomas Short"
Message 11: Re: Another Asian Vegetable - Pechay- + Question
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 12: Re: Pacu and blow hard problem
from Arlus Farnsworth
Message 13:
from "kevin griffore"
Message 14: healing herbs
from conrad wilkins
Message 15: Cusp Reflector Solar Heater; Inspired by Shapes
from "TGTX"
Message 16: SOLAR DEHYDRATOR
from kris book
Message 17: Re: fish food
from Roy Houston
Message 18: Re: Another Asian Vegetable - winged beans
from Jim Joyner <>
Message 19: Fw: tilapia abundance
from "Hiromi Iwashige"
Message 20: RE: fish food
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 21: RE: healing herbs
from "Mark Allen Wells"
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Subject: Another Asian Vegetable - Pechay
From: "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:16:04 +0800
Following on from the discussion on Kang Kong,
Another really popular Vegetable eaten in Asia
is Pechay. This is also eaten a lot in China and India.
Grows incredibly well in my Aquaponics Beds. Don`t try and mix it
with other vegetables though, as it grows so fast it takes over the bed.
I have no idea if it is a forbidden plant in the US or other countries.
You can find it on this link, along with other popular Philipinnes Veg.
http://www.tribo.org/vegetables/sampler.html
Steve H
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Subject: Re: Another Asian Vegetable - Pechay
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 07:46:55 -0500
Steve,
Bok choi is a good plant and is commonly available in the US, as are
seeds for a number of varieties. To my knowledge it is not banned
anywhere. Although it grows well in hydro the challenge is to grow it
profitably. Commercial bok choi is VERY inexpemsive. A niche to
explore is for very baby bok choi.
> Another really popular Vegetable eaten in Asia
> is Pechay. This is also eaten a lot in China and India.
> I have no idea if it is a forbidden plant in the US or other
countries.
Adriana
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Subject: RE: Another Asian Vegetable - Pechay- + Question
From: "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 21:15:47 +0800
Adriana,
Yep, same problem over here. Very cheap to buy. I am using
it as a "filler" to keep most of my beds covered with plants whilst
I experiment with other plants. Tastes good if cooked in a Wok.
Two varieties I have come across , White stalks are crunchier, greenish
colored stalks have a better flavour ( found these in China )
Question for anyone : Anyone tried to grow "Star Beans", sometimes
called "Winged Beans" ( Philippine name is "Sigarilyas" ), in Chinese
they are called " Si Jiao Dou".
Very nice Flavour, and also only grown in one Province in China ( Hainan I
believe )
In China and the Philippines these are expensive. Guess they could be
expensive in the US as well.
I have not yet located seeds for these. Have tried removing seeds from the
Beans
themselves, but so far had no success.
Still trying
Steve H
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Steve,
Bok choi is a good plant and is commonly available in the US, as are
seeds for a number of varieties. To my knowledge it is not banned
anywhere. Although it grows well in hydro the challenge is to grow it
profitably. Commercial bok choi is VERY inexpemsive. A niche to
explore is for very baby bok choi.
> Another really popular Vegetable eaten in Asia
> is Pechay. This is also eaten a lot in China and India.
> I have no idea if it is a forbidden plant in the US or other
countries.
Adriana
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Subject: Re: Another Asian Vegetable - Pechay- + Question
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 08:35:12 -0500
Steve,
I have attempted to grow something called Asparagus Peas, which I
believe are your Winged Beans. The plant is a vine with winged green
pods shaped sort of like a star fruit, reputed to have a hint of
asparagus flavor. The plants did not grow well in my first attempt
when I was in Florida. I still have some seeds, mine came from
Thmpson Morgan. Please report back to us on your efforts with this
plant. A conventional soil grower in Vancouver recommended it to me
for upscale restaurant sales. When I get settled into my new
greenhouse space I may give this another try.
What else are you growing in your beds?
Adriana
> Question for anyone : Anyone tried to grow "Star Beans", sometimes
> called "Winged Beans" ( Philippine name is "Sigarilyas" ), in
Chinese
> they are called " Si Jiao Dou".
> Very nice Flavour, and also only grown in one Province in China (
Hainan I
> believe )
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Subject: RE: Another Asian Vegetable - Pechay- + Question
From: "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 22:33:07 +0800
Adriana,
Your "Asparagus Peas" sound like the same thing as my Winged Beans.
I plan on trying to get some seeds from a local Chinese Store on Hainan
on my way back home ( end of week ). I will also look up that Thompson
Morgan
tip, thanks.
Other things I am growing in my beds are :-
Patani & Sitao (some sort of Tropical versions of Beans )
Talong ( local Egg-plant )
Mus-stasa ( absolutely no idea ! It looks similar to a Green Lettuce, but
with only
half a dozen leaves. Very Very bitter taste, and requires a lot of
preparation
before you can eat it. Adds a lot of flavour to some of the local dishes. My
wife
and family love it. I personnaly don`t get so excited about it. It REALLY is
a
regional taste.
Tomatoes ! Finally had some success, but only with Cherry Tomatoes. However,
these
"vines" are going to completely take over my house shortly !
All green beans. Imported from the UK, imported from China, local varieties,
they all
grow like crazy in the Tropical Climate.
A variety of fruit trees. Have started Saplings from a variety of trees, Sua
( Giant Orange)
Papaya, Banana ( A local Seeded variety, used in cooking )Atis. All of them
I just dropped the
seeds in the growbeds about an Inch below the surface. Up sprouted a little
tree that was
moved elswhere.
Things that so far I have NOT grown in the Tropics :-
Bell peppers ( Yellow, Red, Green...The seeds never even start )
European Cucumbers, several varieties ( Plants grow okay, but the local
insect life descend on them in hords and completely destroy them).
There are many many local vegetables that my Wife has lined up for us to
try. Limited by
growbed space at the moment, but will let you know as ( if ! ) I am
sucesfull with
any as I increase my growbeds.
By the way,
From a previous tip of yours re tropical seeds available at this
Website,(thanks again)
http://www.echonet.org/tropicalag/resources.trop.htm
my wife informs me that I have had all my seeds delivered and waiting for me
at home.( I think I ordered up a packet of everything in their catalogue !
).( sent US Postal service to the
Philippines, no problems with delivery.) There are special Tropical
varieties of tomatoes etc
there for me to try, plus some items I have never even heard off.
Steve H
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What else are you growing in your beds?
Adriana
> Question for anyone : Anyone tried to grow "Star Beans", sometimes
> called "Winged Beans" ( Philippine name is "Sigarilyas" ), in
Chinese
> they are called " Si Jiao Dou".
> Very nice Flavour, and also only grown in one Province in China (
Hainan I
> believe )
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Subject: Paula, please help
From: Andrei Calciu
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 10:25:30 -0400
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Subject: losing flowers and other greenhouse stuff
From: Mick
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 09:39:03 -0500
My zucchini plants are a healthy green color. Average size. They get
large blooms which last a day or two. The blooms then fall off with no
crop produced.
I've tried leaving the blooms alone and I've tried helping the
pollination process. Neither works.
At the moment, the nutrient load in my system is pretty rich. My
tilapia are maturing at such a volume that it is taxing the system's
ability to keep the water chemicals balanced. Is this the problem with
crop production of the zucchini? Too rich?
We've cleaned and cooked five dozen large tilapia in the last two weeks
in order to ease the load on the system. We're producing more than we
can eat but not enough to start marketing them as we'll need additional
hardware to transport them. Does anyone happen to know a good way to
smoke fish that will preserve them?
Oh! and while I'm asking.. I'd appreciate new recipes for cooking
tilapia. We're frying them in a cornmeal batter or we're baking them
with lemon butter. Any other ideas?
Appreciate any help you can offer,
Mick
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Subject: Re: losing flowers and other greenhouse stuff
From: conrad wilkins
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 07:56:48 -0500
Mick wrote:
>
> Oh! and while I'm asking.. I'd appreciate new recipes for cooking
> tilapia. We're frying them in a cornmeal batter or we're baking them
> with lemon butter. Any other ideas?
>
> Appreciate any help you can offer,
> Mick
Mark try searching on the google.com search engine just enter tilapia. and
youll have loads of sites with recipies.
>From a fish lover whos longing to try tilapia. Conrad.
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Subject: Re: Another Asian Vegetable - Pechay- + Question
From: Jim Joyner <>
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 10:17:50 -0500
Adriana,
Winged beans are great to eat! We grew them in Guam. But I think their
growing/blooming cycle is tied to hours of sunlight. I remember that in
Guam the plants would not start to bloom until about Christmas.
Jim
At 08:35 AM 10/9/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Steve,
>I have attempted to grow something called Asparagus Peas, which I
>believe are your Winged Beans. The plant is a vine with winged green
>pods shaped sort of like a star fruit, reputed to have a hint of
>asparagus flavor. The plants did not grow well in my first attempt
>when I was in Florida. I still have some seeds, mine came from
>Thmpson Morgan. Please report back to us on your efforts with this
>plant. A conventional soil grower in Vancouver recommended it to me
>for upscale restaurant sales. When I get settled into my new
>greenhouse space I may give this another try.
>
>What else are you growing in your beds?
>
>Adriana
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Subject: Hi Paula, Would you like some help?
From: "Thomas Short"
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 10:55:55 -0700
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Subject: Re: Another Asian Vegetable - Pechay- + Question
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 13:31:41 -0500
Thanks, Jim. What a great group of resources this group offers! I
will seed them as soon as possible to try to get in to the same
growth cycle, but since Guam is at about the same latitude as southern
Mexico I'll still be winging it.
How do you prepare them, just steamed?
> Winged beans are great to eat! We grew them in Guam. But I think
their
> growing/blooming cycle is tied to hours of sunlight. I remember that
in
> Guam the plants would not start to bloom until about Christmas.
Adriana
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Subject: Re: Pacu and blow hard problem
From: Arlus Farnsworth
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 11:54:28 -0700
I had to comment that communism as we know it seems very different from
the way Jesus lived. It may be self evident that communist goverments
are not pacifist, rather extremely insecure in power. There are many
practical advantages in the ways of Jesus. But this is not about
politics or religion, so I will kindly request that everyone remain
civil, objective and have some respect.
>preached pacifism his entire life and that he lived a
>communal life style! Yes Jesus was a Communist
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From: "kevin griffore"
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 14:53:23 -0700
unsubscribe
K.G.
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Subject: healing herbs
From: conrad wilkins
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 16:57:33 -0500
Has anyone tried looking into the market of herbs or plants for the
natural health market. thats a huge and fast growing market. The chinese
medicines that are becoming so popular now all require the herbsmmost if
not all imported ( location depends on that perspective). Most Im sure
are dried but still a check with a chinese apothocary might reviel a
niche market. Of course legality of growing some of these herbs would
have to be checked out.
There are many herbs for teas sold in loose form or just herbs for
cooking, usually in a dry state that fetch quite a high price per pound.
A drier isnt that hard to make out of simple parts available at any
hardware store. Spices also for the asian market.
Just thowing out ideas.
To your health... Conrad
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Subject: Cusp Reflector Solar Heater; Inspired by Shapes
From: "TGTX"
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:24:43 -0500
The cross section of the cusp reflector is a beautiful design...
found in shaped patterns
tucked away in full display
in those cycles of spring's nature
and in those gentle lines followed in longing
by eyes charged with love made electric by youth
and not merely charged
but also burnished bright by time and time again
coursing in power and release in evening tides
and in ancient rivers surging in spring flood
Nevermind. That's just an old poem...that I just made up, Call it
"inspired by shapes".
Non-imaging optics.
Dr. Roland Winston.
University of Chicago.
I've said it all before and I'll say it again.
Check it out.
Ted
(aka Sid Harta, Used Karma Salesman)
http://www.webconx.com/2000/solar/sunontap/Default.htm
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Subject: SOLAR DEHYDRATOR
From: kris book
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:05:20 -0600
Conrad,
Here's a couple of solar food dehydrators, one that is almost free to
build and the second link is a real nice home made model.
kris
http://www.i4at.org/surv/soldehyd.htm
http://www.homepower.com/download2.htm#Solar
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Subject: Re: fish food
From: Roy Houston
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 09:54:36 -0500
Does anyone use earthworms for feed? I doubt one could raise enough to
supply just a diet of worms, but as a supplement they might be beneficial.
>If you need pollination then maybe just attracting night and/or day
>insects to the plants, a few will likely fall in the water for a fish
>snack. In case you didn't notice, insects are seasonal. I guess if you
>live in a tropical climate you would have a year round supply of
>mosquitos
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Subject: Re: Another Asian Vegetable - winged beans
From: Jim Joyner <>
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 21:26:18 -0500
Adriana
At 01:31 PM 10/9/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>I will seed them as soon as possible to try to get in to the same
>growth cycle, but since Guam is at about the same latitude as southern
>Mexico I'll still be winging it.
>
>How do you prepare them, just steamed?
Yeah, I think we just steamed them like green beans or ate them in stir
fry. They have a kinda nutty flavor and kinda crisp. They can be several
feet long, about big around as a quarter (but star shaped). Like green
beans, you eat them when they are immature.
Latitude might have something to do with it, but it seems to me the
Filipinos I got the seed from said the blooming would only begin when the
days started getting longer, hence about Christmas time.
Another vegetable we loved was chayote. I see them in the market
occasionally. Really good.
Something else we did was to grow speckled lima beans as a perennial. We
had some plants over 4 years -- about every 45 days they bloom again. Not
sure anyone would want to take up green house space growing limas, but I
thought I'd mention it.
Good luck, I'll look forward to hearing how the wing beans turn out.
Jim
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Subject: Fw: tilapia abundance
From: "Hiromi Iwashige"
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 23:24:31 -0500
Mick,
My mouth waters at your description of your "problem" with too many
tilapia. Here in south central Kansas our family considers fish a rare
treat. Homegrown chicken, beef, and pork we have in abundance, but
FISH...yummmmm. Someday I hope to have your kind of problem.
I'm happy that your fish are doing well.
Miriam
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Subject: RE: fish food
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 23:36:12 -0500
Does anyone use earthworms for feed? I doubt one could raise enough to
supply just a diet of worms, but as a supplement they might be beneficial.
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Hi Roy,
Yes I use earthworms (redworms) to supplement my bluegill's diet. They
love them. You are right, it takes a very large earthworm population to
supply a steady diet of them. During the warmer months I was able to feed
maggots, redworms, nightcrawlers (cut up), and mosquito larvae...no
commercial food. It was more of an experiment because I don't have a lot
of fish yet, but the fish loved the food. Bluegills love small worms and
insects. I was very surprised to find that some of the larger fish would
even eat the Japanese beetles that I fed them one day. My goal is to one
day be able to convert all my plant and animal waste back into fish food
through vermiculture and maggot production. I raise rabbits also and the
redworms thrive in their manure. If a person isn't careful, they can put
more energy in to producing food for their fish this way than it may be
worth, but so far I have enjoyed it. I just need to get populations up.
The mosquito larvae was very easy and it made good food for small
fingerlings. I just let tanks (small aquariums I had) of rainwater sit
until I saw the larvae reaching their maximum size and I harvested them
with a fine mesh net.
The maggots are great when the conditions are right, but the life cycle
is short so a continuous system in a colder climate presents a
challenge.
My redworms are buy far the easiest to produce year-round. A well ran bin
can be kept in a garage, basement, etc. I've got plans for an Oregon
Soil Corporation Reactor ...affectionately known as OSCaR. I haven't
built it yet built it uses plywood, optional polystyrene insulation and
heating cable. It can be used outside. If the winters aren't too severe,
many people just create large piles for their worms and cover them up.
hope this helps,
mark
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Subject: RE: healing herbs
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 23:58:48 -0500
Has anyone tried looking into the market of herbs or plants for the
natural health market.
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Hi Conrad,
I have thought about this also....this is a book I will be reading
this winter... it looks interesting.
http://www.bootstraps.com/medicine.html
many herbalists prefer hydroponic plants because they are cleaner,
have a higher concentration of oils and active ingredients, and give
a higher yield.
peace...
mark
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