Aquaponics Digest - Thu 10/11/01
Message 1: Re: Niche markets
from conrad wilkins
Message 2: Re: Niche markets
from conrad wilkins
Message 3: Re: Home Power Magazine - Thermo-Electric-Generator (TEG)
from conrad wilkins
Message 4: RE: Niche markets
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 5: Re: Home Power Magazine - Thermo-Electric-Generator (TEG)
from conrad wilkins
Message 6: Re: Niche markets
from conrad wilkins
Message 7: Re: Winged Bean
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 8: RE: Asian Vegetables ( continued )
from "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
Message 9: RE: Pacu and blow hard problem
from "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
Message 10: RE: Winged Bean
from "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
Message 11: Re: Niche markets
from "bennett"
Message 12: Re: Home Power Magazine - Thermo-Electric-Generator (TEG)
from "bennett"
Message 13: Re: losing flowers and other greenhouse stuff
from "Robert Rogers"
Message 14: Re: another niche market
from Mick
Message 15: RE: another niche market
from "Camilla Snyder"
Message 16: Re: another niche market
from "Brent Bingham"
Message 17: Winged Beans or Peas or Whatever
from DAVEINBHAM@aol.com
Message 18: RE: Niche markets
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 19: Re: Hi Paula, Would you like some help?
from "Thomas Short"
Message 20: a patient lady
from "Mark Allen Wells"
Message 21: Re: Home Power Magazine - Thermo-Electric-Generator (TEG)
from conrad wilkins
Message 22: Re: a patient lady
from conrad wilkins
Message 23: Patient?????? was Re: a patient lady
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 24: Re: Fwd. AQUAPONICS COURSE
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 25: Re: Niche markets
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 26: Re: Pacu and blow hard problem
from "STEVE SPRING"
Message 27: Re: Niche markets
from (Bruce Schreiber)
Message 28: Re: losing flowers and other greenhouse stuff
from (Bruce Schreiber)
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Subject: Re: Niche markets
From: conrad wilkins
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:06:53 -0500
Hi Brucee . Do I get the right picture when you refer to flower of catails,
you dry the root and mill it to a flour consistency and bake with that. That
sounds quite easy to do. I agree about the aquarium plant market they do
charge a high price for small plants. What about the tropical fish
themselves some of them fetch a pritty hefty price too. Though its probably
a lot of hassle trying to get things just right for them.
Bruce Schreiber wrote:
> Cattails acre for acre out produce all other flour crops and to my taste
> bread made from it is of the highest flavor sorta nutty. The only
> problem with it is harvesting and washing the roots from the wild, if it
> was grown on racks Aquaponicly with out the mud there would be great
> potential for it.
> Has any one thought to grow Aquarium plants for sale to pet shops?
> most are grown out of water and are shipped from Europe You want a high
> paying niche market I just gave you one
> Bruce
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Subject: Re: Niche markets
From: conrad wilkins
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:19:24 -0500
I think someone also told me that the flower spikes when still green and
fresh can be cooked and eaten like corn
Drooling Conrad
Bruce Schreiber wrote:
> Jenny the cattail root has an outer spongy rind and an inner fibrous
> core. The core is what you want. It's kind of like jute rope with
> massive amounts of white starch in it. What you do is you take the
> cores and you rub them between your hands in a bucket of water. The
> starch falls to the bottom of the water. The ropey fiber is picked out.
> You drain off the water and you can use the starch one for one in any
> recipe that you use regular flour in. On the top of the plant when it
> blooms it has a pollen spike. The pollen is golden. That is also
> collected in buckets and used one for one in a flour substitute. The
> buds on the roots in the Spring are good starchy vegetables. The new
> sprouts under a foot long are great cucumber substitutes. They actually
> taste exactly like cucumbers. I'm forgetting something here, but that
> should be enough to get you started.
>
> Bruce
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Subject: Re: Home Power Magazine - Thermo-Electric-Generator (TEG)
From: conrad wilkins
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:36:14 -0500
Im also interested in self suficient power. As clean as posible. Does this unit
burn the oil at a very high temp, probably a two stage burn system. Otherwise
burning used oil could produce quite the toxic fallout on you and your
environment you live in. Considering all the diferent additives that are put in
oil these days.
Another option you may want to look at on the same lines is burning used veg
oil in a diesel generator. Search under greasecar and youll find some
interesting stuff. Resteraunts would probably give you all the deep frier oil
you want, its usually vegetable oil they use.
Conrad
bennett wrote:
> >You might also look at:
> >http://www.hi-z.com/
> >
> I've been reading about the products offered by Hi-Z. It looks like some
> sort of unit could effectively be rigged so that it would heat a greenhouse,
> including fish water, and run lights, pumps, fans, etc. off DC electricity
> produced by the heater. Now if that heater was fueled by used oil, the
> whole "Big Chalupa" would be pretty exciting! (Especially since in some
> places businesses PAY people to remove the used oil. Can you imagine being
> PAYED for the energy your aquaponic set-up is consuming????)
> D.
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Subject: RE: Niche markets
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 00:45:15 -0500
What about the tropical fish themselves some of them fetch a pritty
hefty price too. Though its probably a lot of hassle trying to get
things just right for them.
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Hi Conrad,
It depends on the fish...some of the south american or african
cichlids can do well. I have a good friend who owns a nice
pet store. I'm thinking of trying to start a local aquarium
club to promote some things...like hybrid bluegill, aquaponics
systems that use things available right here, etc. I have a 90gal
tank in my living room. I removed the glass tops, cut holes
in acrylic for net pots, use bio-wheels for bio treatment.
Everything I have is stuff from my old aquarium days. I converted
a light fixture I got at Lowes that hangs from the ceiling
and is adjustable. People look at it and go "WOW...is that lettuce?"
..*S*. I get such a kick out of first reactions. When I get
this dialed in and consistant, the store owner and I are going
to have a chat about setting one up in his store. He also
told me he would buy larvae from me when my numbers are high
enough and I can supply them consistantly. There are LOTS
of opportunities in pet stores. I saw a bag of alfalfa that
wasn't much bigger than a loaf of bread selling for $3.50!
I can buy whole bale for $1.50.
peace,
mark
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Subject: Re: Home Power Magazine - Thermo-Electric-Generator (TEG)
From: conrad wilkins
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:52:31 -0500
Another form of heating and potential power source are masonary stoves. Theyre
highly efficient burners of waste wood. They store the heat produced and release
it slowly over a long period of time. They can be use for heating water that
could be stored in barrels under your plant beds.
I notices that the power of the Hi-Z thermo electric units are closely
related to the difference in temperature of one side to the other. Cooling of
some kind is going to be required, which generaly will tap the produced power
output ie energy required to create cooling.
I hope that doesnt sound like a damper for you. Ive been involved with
mechanical designing of variouse things for a few years and love to discus and
give ideas and help if its wanted. Maybe Im stepping on toes!
Conrad
bennett wrote:
> >You might also look at:
> >http://www.hi-z.com/
> >
> I've been reading about the products offered by Hi-Z. It looks like some
> sort of unit could effectively be rigged so that it would heat a greenhouse,
> including fish water, and run lights, pumps, fans, etc. off DC electricity
> produced by the heater. Now if that heater was fueled by used oil, the
> whole "Big Chalupa" would be pretty exciting! (Especially since in some
> places businesses PAY people to remove the used oil. Can you imagine being
> PAYED for the energy your aquaponic set-up is consuming????)
> D.
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Subject: Re: Niche markets
From: conrad wilkins
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 23:16:57 -0500
Well Mark I just today asked the owner of one of the pet stores in my
town that has aquariums and fish, and a Pacu that weighs 45 pounds in a
2000 galon stainles steel wine vat that had a window put in the side.
about tilapia and if he could get any. Talk about blank stare. Whats that
he said.
A kind of ciclid I replied.
What kind of ciclid
A tilapia kind I said
what lake does it come from?
And so it went on as I tried a little education on him. He just grunted
asked me to write it down and he'd ask his deealer.
Well to go far on that line with this fella may take a lot of work
that I dont think hes personaly interested in. Now I think Ill check out
the other pet store. And maybe in other towns too.
Keep smiling and nod ocassionaly Conrad
Mark Allen Wells wrote:
> What about the tropical fish themselves some of them fetch a pritty
> hefty price too. Though its probably a lot of hassle trying to get
> things just right for them.
>
> ---
>
> Hi Conrad,
>
> It depends on the fish...some of the south american or african
> cichlids can do well. I have a good friend who owns a nice
> pet store. I'm thinking of trying to start a local aquarium
> club to promote some things...like hybrid bluegill, aquaponics
> systems that use things available right here, etc. I have a 90gal
> tank in my living room. I removed the glass tops, cut holes
> in acrylic for net pots, use bio-wheels for bio treatment.
> Everything I have is stuff from my old aquarium days. I converted
> a light fixture I got at Lowes that hangs from the ceiling
> and is adjustable. People look at it and go "WOW...is that lettuce?"
> ..*S*. I get such a kick out of first reactions. When I get
> this dialed in and consistant, the store owner and I are going
> to have a chat about setting one up in his store. He also
> told me he would buy larvae from me when my numbers are high
> enough and I can supply them consistantly. There are LOTS
> of opportunities in pet stores. I saw a bag of alfalfa that
> wasn't much bigger than a loaf of bread selling for $3.50!
> I can buy whole bale for $1.50.
>
> peace,
> mark
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Subject: Re: Winged Bean
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 02:55:37 -0500
ISBN is 0-9628087-0-9 Cornucopia, A Sourcebook of Edible Plants by
Stephen Facciola, Kampong Publications.
> That "Cornucopia" book sounds extremely useful.
> Would that book of yours have an ISBN number on it by
> any chance ?
That is a long grow-out time. Once it is harvestable how long does
the plant produce?
> Incidentally, my Chinese Colleagues have told me that
> their name for the Winged Bean ( Si Jaou Dou ) literally means
> "Four Seasons", as it takes all four seasons to get the plant to go
> from Seed to ready to eat.
Adriana
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Subject: RE: Asian Vegetables ( continued )
From: "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 16:06:56 +0800
A freind has just contacted me off-list and identified the
Philippine Vegetable I grow, but could not identify.(Mustasa)
I would like to share this , in case anyone wanted to grow it,
plus an interesting Eggplant he has found in Thailand.
SNIP
>By the way mustasa is green mustard. Here in Thailand they
>pickle it and the bitter taste disappears, I think the
>Filipinos are doing the same. But the Filipino variety of
>mustard is a little bit on the bitter side.
SNIP
>There is also a variety of eggplant here which is rounded
>and the Thais eat it raw like eating carrots it is crunchy.
>It is rather round and is a little bit bigger than a ping
>pong ball and smaller than a tennis ball.
>Neon
I like the sound of that Eggplant,
Steve H
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Subject: RE: Pacu and blow hard problem
From: "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 16:17:16 +0800
Hey Steve,
Just ignore it. If you leave the list who`s won ?
Globalising all the different cultures of the world and
understanding different people, I think we need as much as we
can get right now.
I believe this list is doing its small bit to make us a one
world community,
And anyway you have to stay, because I need to know how your
Pacu "babys" are doing
Take it easy
Steve H
SNIP
Hi gang,
I passed an email that I received from Gerry on to Bruce because I was so
"breathless" at the hatred that Gerry showed toward Philippinos. (I have
many, many Philippino friends who are "truly" class act people.) I didn't
want to respond to Gerry because I am incapable of the hatred that he shows.
I even emailed Paula that "I have a problem." I never followed up on this
email.I was even thinking about unsubscribing from this list...as a matter
of fact, I came down here tonight to do just that. But, if I have Bruce on
my side......."screw Gerry".
I'm cleaning tanks right now and I have to go. Thanks again to my friend,
Bruce.
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Subject: RE: Winged Bean
From: "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 16:34:08 +0800
Adriana,
Thanks for the ISBN Number.
Not sure. Still investigating, as I have not managed to grow any yet.
Plus this latest discussion leads me to beleive there is more than one
Species I am looking at here.
These Beans are available in the Restaurants all year round in Hainan
Province in China ( where I work ). Hainan Province is supposed to be
Sub-Tropical, but the southern end of the island is hotter than the North,
very similar Weather to where I live in the Philippines, which is Tropical.
Once I have more info I will be sure and post it.
( unfortunately I leave work tomorrow for home, so the answer won`t come
back for another 28 days )
Steve H
SNIP
That is a long grow-out time. Once it is harvestable how long does
the plant produce?
> Incidentally, my Chinese Colleagues have told me that
> their name for the Winged Bean ( Si Jaou Dou ) literally means
> "Four Seasons", as it takes all four seasons to get the plant to go
> from Seed to ready to eat.
Adriana
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Subject: Re: Niche markets
From: "bennett"
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:34:15 -0400
>told me he would buy larvae from me when my numbers are high
>
What kind of larvae do you raise?
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Subject: Re: Home Power Magazine - Thermo-Electric-Generator (TEG)
From: "bennett"
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:40:05 -0400
> I notices that the power of the Hi-Z thermo electric units are closely
>related to the difference in temperature of one side to the other. Cooling
of
>some kind is going to be required, which generaly will tap the produced
power
>output ie energy required to create cooling.
Well, wouldn't that be the place where one might want to circulate
radiator-like coils of the fish water to heat it? The oil stove itself
would be to heat the air of the greenhouse, then the "cooling fin" side
could be to heat the water for the tanks.....one might even choose to heat
water from an outside tank. Possibly lending a bit of a helping hand to
fish that can tolerate cold water, but grow better in warmer water - like
bluegill and sunfish.
>give ideas and help if its wanted. Maybe Im stepping on toes!
Not at all! I love the input!
D.
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Subject: Re: losing flowers and other greenhouse stuff
From: "Robert Rogers"
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 08:58:35 -0400
> Mick If anything your system is not producing enough of a nutrient load
> to support fruiting crops like tomatoes and squash, have you tried
> caging a rabbit hutch over your fish tank to help things along?or adding
> some miracle grow fertilizer? I would not harvest Tilapia until they are
> real big and will give you huge boneless fillets so you can get top
> dollar for them.I personally would not smoke Tilapia you need an oily
> fish for that but they might make good jerky if you watch them close.
> I've smoked thousands of fish,Being a commercial fisherman we are always
> trying to get more bang for our buck . Smoking is not hard .First you
> must brine the meat,fish,fowl,turtle or road kill in a vat. I used a
> >
Bruce
Where do you fish? I had a grouper boat in the gulf years ago,
gave that up to sell shrimp and tackle to snowbirds. Also smoked mullet for
the bar trade, 1/2 a 2lb. mullet brought $3.00 retail, my cost was $.25.
Hope we are all back on track, the aquaponics topic that is, woke
up to about 50 emails,
Love it
Bob
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Subject: Re: another niche market
From: Mick
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:55:13 -0500
We are going to sell them
> to a broker unless we can find a better market.
> Brent
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Brent,
That's a lot of gourds. Are you going to store them for the year it
takes to dry them out or sell them green?
As for market, you could sell them yourself with a webpage and a couple
of photos of each type of gourd. You'd make more profit and the only
additional expense would be the time spent creating the web page.
Thanks for posting. You saved me a lot of work with the raised beds.
Sounds like they'd be a waste of time with the way the vines spread. I
have a quarter acre plot that would work much better.
Please let me know how it goes with the gourds.
Mick
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Subject: RE: another niche market
From: "Camilla Snyder"
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:15:24 -0500
I have also seen them made into bird houses. Good Luck!
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From: aquaponics-request@townsqr.com
[mailto:aquaponics-request@townsqr.com] On Behalf Of Mick
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 12:49 PM
To: aquaponics newsgroup
Subject: another niche market
My sister does craftwork as a hobby. She tells me that decorative
gourds bring a healthy price on the net. Looking into it, I found
gourds that ranged in price from $5 to $20 a piece. Organically raised
gourds bring a higher price because folks use them to create functional
bowls.
The vines that produce the gourds take a great deal of room to climb and
spread. It also takes a considerable investment in time as the gourds
must dry for a year. The profit potential would make that worth my time
if I were selling the high-end gourds. In addition, some of the gourds
I looked at were decorated with a wood burning tool and varnished. I
could do that myself and gain the end market price of the bowls.
I think I'll try this in raised beds near the greenhouse next spring. I
have wild gourds out in the pasture. They're too small for my needs but
perhaps they are indicative of the ability of gourds to flourish in this
area. I'm gonna research it at any rate.
Just another niche market idea. Keep those ideas coming!
Mick
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Subject: Re: another niche market
From: "Brent Bingham"
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:15:54 -0700
We were told to leave them on the vine as long a possible to dry them
faster.
We have several empty livestock buildings we will move them into after the
vines come off. The web page is a good idea, thanks.
Brent
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From: "Mick"
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: another niche market
> We are going to sell them
> > to a broker unless we can find a better market.
> > Brent
>
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>
> Brent,
>
> That's a lot of gourds. Are you going to store them for the year it
> takes to dry them out or sell them green?
>
> As for market, you could sell them yourself with a webpage and a couple
> of photos of each type of gourd. You'd make more profit and the only
> additional expense would be the time spent creating the web page.
>
> Thanks for posting. You saved me a lot of work with the raised beds.
> Sounds like they'd be a waste of time with the way the vines spread. I
> have a quarter acre plot that would work much better.
>
> Please let me know how it goes with the gourds.
>
> Mick
>
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Subject: Winged Beans or Peas or Whatever
From: DAVEINBHAM@aol.com
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:49:57 EDT
Are we all really confused aout our wings, peas, beans and asparagus
now?
Adriana >>>>>
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You better belive I am now confused .
However, the Thompson & Morgan pea, bean or whatever the hell it is still
will not grow here--- or, more correctly, I and others can't get it to grow
here. I am informed by a dear friend who emigrated here from England that the
T&M whatever grows well in the spring in the old country but the spring there
is " a bit nippier" ( colder) than here. You are welcome to try it. Keep us
posted on your progress.
Has anyone out there who lives at a latitude of less than 34 degrees grown
the T&M whatever sussessfully ? Also, has anyone out there who lives at a
latitude of more than 34 degrees sussessfully grown Psophocarpus
tetragonolobus ?
Unless there really is a day neutral variety of Psophocarpus tetragonolobus,
I think it would not be a suitable greenhouse crop what with only one
complete growth cycle per calander year.
I have grown beans successfully in a greenhouse. I like a greenbean called
Radar.
I have grown it for 3 years getting almost continious pickings from it.
I also have grow Sugar Snap peas ( Pisum sativum var. macrocarpon). Yeild
from the Sugar Snaps grown in the greenhouse is several times yield from
those grown outside, but powdery mildew eventually wipes them out every year.
And, no, I do not think Sugar Snaps would be valueable as a greenhouse crop
as they sell rather cheaply at The Pig ( Piggly Wiggly, our local grocery). I
grow 'em because ,by definition, they taste better from my greenhouse than
they can ever taste from The Pig.
Kindest regards,
Dave
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Subject: RE: Niche markets
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:37:21 -0500
>told me he would buy larvae from me when my numbers are high
>
What kind of larvae do you raise?
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Hi Donna,
It's good to hear from you...I hope things are going well for
you. I played with fly larvae (yes, maggots..lol) a lot this
summer but year-round production would require a controlled
environment here in Indiana. I was/am very motivated by the work
being done at Songhai Centre but the conditions are much different
there. http://www.ias.unu.edu/proceedings/icibs/ibs/songhai/
What the pet store owner is primarily interested in is bee moth
larvae (waxworms). Reptiles and cichlids both love them. They require
warm temps but are very productive when you get things right.
http://aquanic.org/publicat/state/il-in/faq/mealwax.htm
lots of good info at that link...
take care,
mark
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Subject: Re: Hi Paula, Would you like some help?
From: "Thomas Short"
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:43:30 -0700
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Thanks for your time
Thomas L. Short
Ps. tell me where to send them
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Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 8:40 PM
To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
Subject: Re: Hi Paula, Would you like some help?
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I'll get back to you ASAP.
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in his work.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
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Subject: a patient lady
From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:49:02 -0500
Hi Paula,
I just wanted to thank you for your patience with everyone
on the list during these trying times. You are a kind and
understanding hostess. I'm sure it isn't easy at times but
we greatly appreciate it. It does people good to talk about
things. Sometimes we get off track but I think that is partly
because we are sort of a family in a way....it's just natural
to talk about the things that are troubling you with your friends.
You seem to understand that very well....thank you.
Best wishes...
mark
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Subject: Re: Home Power Magazine - Thermo-Electric-Generator (TEG)
From: conrad wilkins
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:10:41 -0500
Well D. The power output will be very low from your Hi-Z if there isnt an
extream temp diferential between the hot and cold sides. It would be possible
to put the units right against the flue pipe of the furnace and the cold side
would be an aluminum or copper plate thats cooled with the water circulated
from the water source. Temp of the water as close to 30 degrees as poss. Ie
make the cold side a box with a constant flow of water through it. If the
waters coming from your tank it may make it too hot for the fish to do well as
it will pick up all the eccess heat that is not converted to electrical energy.
And believe me there will be a fair amount of that.
Remember the wattage of your average light bulb is 100 watts. And these
little guys you are looking at only produce say 20 watts each at full
potential. Guestimate 60% efficiency for yourself. Then add up the wattage of
the apliances you want to run and youll get an idea of the number youll need.
Youd probably do better to charge a bank of bateries than to try and run
apliances directly. Youd also have to have the heat source running all the time
and the cooling. Unless you have some overide system.
Chow.. Conrad
bennett wrote:
> > I notices that the power of the Hi-Z thermo electric units are closely
> >related to the difference in temperature of one side to the other. Cooling
> of
> >some kind is going to be required, which generaly will tap the produced
> power
> >output ie energy required to create cooling.
>
> Well, wouldn't that be the place where one might want to circulate
> radiator-like coils of the fish water to heat it? The oil stove itself
> would be to heat the air of the greenhouse, then the "cooling fin" side
> could be to heat the water for the tanks.....one might even choose to heat
> water from an outside tank. Possibly lending a bit of a helping hand to
> fish that can tolerate cold water, but grow better in warmer water - like
> bluegill and sunfish.
>
> >give ideas and help if its wanted. Maybe Im stepping on toes!
>
> Not at all! I love the input!
> D.
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Subject: Re: a patient lady
From: conrad wilkins
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:19:19 -0500
Absolutely Mark I couldnt agree more.Compassion is wonderfull in uniting
people.
Conrad
Mark Allen Wells wrote:
> Hi Paula,
>
> I just wanted to thank you for your patience with everyone
> on the list during these trying times. You are a kind and
> understanding hostess. I'm sure it isn't easy at times but
> we greatly appreciate it. It does people good to talk about
> things. Sometimes we get off track but I think that is partly
> because we are sort of a family in a way....it's just natural
> to talk about the things that are troubling you with your friends.
> You seem to understand that very well....thank you.
>
> Best wishes...
> mark
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Subject: Patient?????? was Re: a patient lady
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:00:18 -0500
At 12:49 PM 10/11/2001 -0500, Mark wrote:
>I just wanted to thank you for your patience with everyone
>on the list during these trying times. You are a kind and
>understanding hostess. I'm sure it isn't easy at times but
>we greatly appreciate it. It does people good to talk about
>things. Sometimes we get off track but I think that is partly
>because we are sort of a family in a way....it's just natural
>to talk about the things that are troubling you with your friends.
>You seem to understand that very well....thank you.
Thank you, Mark; but perhaps you should understand that it's not always that
I'm as patient as you think! Sometimes I am just away and unaware until
after things have blown up...and blown over.
I will comment that I had a couple of fierce messages started this morning
that would have been sent, just prior to pulling some names off the list. I
really have never had to do that, and don't want to start now, but I can if
the list is continuously used as a sounding board for ugly issues.
I don't know about your home, but our family dynamics are complex enough
that I think my referee quota is just about used up. Add to that the
worries we all have about extended family members, those near and far, our
community concerns, and our nation's concerns (insert nation in which you
reside here) about the future of humanity; and I think we're all about at
maximum levels for being able to cope and carry on.
I understand about insults and personal attacks -- I think we all do. But
they really don't belong on the list. There is no way for us to resolve the
kind of problems that have been aired on this list lately, unless it's a
competition to see which side the members might or might not take. I would
like to know (at my own email address) if there are problems, and I'd be
glad to do what I can to help resolve them; but so much depends on our being
able to communicate effectively in order to get anything done in the way of
aquaponics discussions that I don't want personality conflicts to override
the discussions. That type of problem can either be resolved
off-list.....or it won't be resolved at all.
Best wishes to all.
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: Re: Fwd. AQUAPONICS COURSE
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:00:28 -0500
Hi Bob,
I'm trying real hard to keep my mouth shut about things, but sometimes it is
difficult.
If you are having a difficult time with $ and who isn't, Paula and Tom will
work with you in purchasing their course. I paid them over a period of 4
months (I think...it has been a while.) Whatever your scenario is, I'm sure
they will work with you.
I think, now this is my personal opinion, that the conference in NC is going
to be SOO AWESOME that anyone who is seriously interested in this business
would be a fool to miss. I used to be a serious Multi Level Marketer and I
can tell you from experience that you always take away more than you bring.
You get to develop life-long friendships , etc. etc.
Do both of them. The S&S course and the NC conference. Hey, I'll even throw
in my 2 cents worth of what doesn't work with S&S system...for me anyway.
See ya'll in NC...........Steve
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From: "S & S Aqua Farm"
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd. AQUAPONICS COURSE
At 01:09 PM 10/01/2001 EDT, Bob Bird wrote:
>Paula,
>I have a question for you, and I realize you will likely be biased in some
>form or fashion with it. However, I appreciate your wise counsel at this
>time. Here goes: Do you suggest I attend the Bryson City school, or
>purchase yours and Tom's video/manual course? Both are similar in price,
>with the TN school being an investment in 4 days of my time - but it sure
>seems like I would be getting exposed to much...
Bob, this conference has some wonderful presenters, including our
award-winning Bert McLaughlin, in addition to the many other list members
who will be attending. You'll have an opportunity for both formal and
informal networking with experienced and novice growers, and that really has
no dollar value. It's really your decision, but the conference is close to
you, and may not be repeated soon. If you were asking about some other
group, or some other type of meeting, I might try to talk you out of it.
>You may recall, I am the pastor developing a training center on Lookout Mtn
>in northwest GA. Thanks for your counsel/advice. by the way, Deb could
not
>recall the name of that youth camp we served in back during the mid 80's in
>your area. Boy, it sure was beautiful there...
Best of luck with your new training area there. I think the work you're
doing will be extremely productive. As for the Ozarks, you are right -- it
sure is beautiful here!
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: Re: Niche markets
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:11:01 -0500
Hi Mark,
This is something that Bruce got me into. No hassle at all. Very little
mess. Very easy to take care of. I bought a couple of bags of "Electric
Blues" and a couple of bags of "Lemon Yellows". (These are my favorite 2.)
Price ended up being about $1.00 - $1.50/ea. The "Yellows" will end up
retailing at +/- $10 - $12 ea and the "Blues" can go as high as $50 ea when
full grown and in full color...about a year...Doesn't take a "rocket
scientist" to figure this out.
I'm still doing my Pacu though and my Kang Kong.......just intrigued by this
combination. The Pacu are growing just fine and the Kang Kong...WELL, YOU
JUST WOULDN'T BELIEVE IT!
As you say "Peace" my friend.......Later....& thanks again........Steve
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From: "Mark Allen Wells"
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 12:45 AM
Subject: RE: Niche markets
What about the tropical fish themselves some of them fetch a pritty
hefty price too. Though its probably a lot of hassle trying to get
things just right for them.
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Hi Conrad,
It depends on the fish...some of the south american or african
cichlids can do well. I have a good friend who owns a nice
pet store. I'm thinking of trying to start a local aquarium
club to promote some things...like hybrid bluegill, aquaponics
systems that use things available right here, etc. I have a 90gal
tank in my living room. I removed the glass tops, cut holes
in acrylic for net pots, use bio-wheels for bio treatment.
Everything I have is stuff from my old aquarium days. I converted
a light fixture I got at Lowes that hangs from the ceiling
and is adjustable. People look at it and go "WOW...is that lettuce?"
..*S*. I get such a kick out of first reactions. When I get
this dialed in and consistant, the store owner and I are going
to have a chat about setting one up in his store. He also
told me he would buy larvae from me when my numbers are high
enough and I can supply them consistantly. There are LOTS
of opportunities in pet stores. I saw a bag of alfalfa that
wasn't much bigger than a loaf of bread selling for $3.50!
I can buy whole bale for $1.50.
peace,
mark
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Subject: Re: Pacu and blow hard problem
From: "STEVE SPRING"
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:23:33 -0500
Hi Steve,
I wouldn't leave this list. I love it. I truly do. There are so many
wonderful people on it.
I have been following your posts and bookmarking them on the various asian
vegetables. Keep it up. I love it. I'm getting a wonderful education. (This
is something that the newbies on the list need to keep in mind. Stay on the
list. Just lurk if you wish. There is so much wisdom to be had from these
wonderful people all around the world.)
My Pacu "babies" are doing just fine...even though I tried to kill them the
other day...a long story...but, they survived. Damned Wisconsin
weather...the 2 days that I decided to take a little mini-vacation was the 2
days that it decided to freeze...tripped the circuit breaker...lost my
tomatoes, my hanging plants, my 7 catfish (@$7 ea and a few Tilapia...OH
WELL...I was really bummed!)
But, I'm o.k. now and going full steam ahead again!!
Keep in touch.....Thanks again....as Mark would say, "Peace"...Steve
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From: "Hurst, Steve ( China)"
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 3:17 AM
Subject: RE: Pacu and blow hard problem
Hey Steve,
Just ignore it. If you leave the list who`s won ?
Globalising all the different cultures of the world and
understanding different people, I think we need as much as we
can get right now.
I believe this list is doing its small bit to make us a one
world community,
And anyway you have to stay, because I need to know how your
Pacu "babys" are doing
Take it easy
Steve H
SNIP
Hi gang,
I passed an email that I received from Gerry on to Bruce because I was so
"breathless" at the hatred that Gerry showed toward Philippinos. (I have
many, many Philippino friends who are "truly" class act people.) I didn't
want to respond to Gerry because I am incapable of the hatred that he shows.
I even emailed Paula that "I have a problem." I never followed up on this
email.I was even thinking about unsubscribing from this list...as a matter
of fact, I came down here tonight to do just that. But, if I have Bruce on
my side......."screw Gerry".
I'm cleaning tanks right now and I have to go. Thanks again to my friend,
Bruce.
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Subject: Re: Niche markets
From: (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:26:23 -0500 (CDT)
Conrad go back and ask the pet store for Mossambec Mouthbreeders or
Oreochromis Mossambicas you need to learn pet trade talk ! He will say
oh oh ya no problem
Bruce
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Subject: Re: losing flowers and other greenhouse stuff
From: (Bruce Schreiber)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 22:14:13 -0500 (CDT)
Bob I fish out of Bristol Bay AK. in the Naknek,Quejic,Egageg and
Ugashic fisheries The boat yard is in Naknek near King salmon AK its a
32ft drift netter we fish for Sockeye salmon mostly but also work the
Herring and Halibut openers.
I made the mistake of going to the movie titled the Perfect Storm
with my wife last year and with my not having ever seen it before I
told her blow by blow what was going to happen and it scared the shit
out of her because she realized that all of the stories that are told
about me and my crew must be true. I won't go in to it other than to
say we Know what a close shave is just a bit. But it doesn't stop us.
One time or other the sea has killed most of my blood kin over the
century
They always say if you don't go out the kids don't eat and the waters
quickern starving
Bruce
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