Aquaponics Digest - Fri 10/12/01
Message 1: Re: Fwd. AQUAPONICS COURSE
from Birdnest5@aol.com
Message 2: Re: Fwd. AQUAPONICS COURSE
from Birdnest5@aol.com
Message 3: Re: Fwd. AQUAPONICS COURSE
from S & S Aqua Farm
Message 4: Re: Fwd. AQUAPONICS COURSE
from Mick
Message 5: Newbie intro & stuff
from Kevin Rhoades
Message 6: used greenhouse price
from "Hiromi Iwashige"
Message 7: NCSU aquaponics model
from "Hiromi Iwashige"
Message 8: Re: used greenhouse price
from "gerry magnuson"
Message 9: Re: used greenhouse price
from "gutierrez-lagatta"
Message 10: Re: used greenhouse price
from "Brent Bingham"
Message 11: Re: used greenhouse price
from conrad wilkins
Message 12: Re: Fwd. AQUAPONICS COURSE
from "Robert Rogers"
Message 13: Re: Niche markets
from "Chris Jeppesen"
Message 14: Re: Fw: tilapia abundance
from David Inselman
Message 15: Bed Media - Lava Rock
from "NiCKEL"
Message 16: Re: Niche markets
from conrad wilkins
Message 17: Re: Fwd. AQUAPONICS COURSE
from Bertmcl
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Subject: Re: Fwd. AQUAPONICS COURSE
From: Birdnest5@aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:41:04 EDT
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Thanks Paula, I haven't yet received my brochure from Mr. Johnson. If I
haven't received it by middle of next week, I will call him by phone.
By the way, how do I post a question or response to the list?
Thank you,
BOB BIRD
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Thanks Paula, I haven't yet received my brochure
from Mr. Johnson. If I haven't received it by middle of next week, I will call him by
phone.
By the way, how do I post a question or response to the list?
Thank you,
BOB BIRD
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Subject: Re: Fwd. AQUAPONICS COURSE
From: Birdnest5@aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:00:33 EDT
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Steve,
Thank you for your quick reply. Money is not the overall issue , per se. We
have 22 acres in N.GA mtns I am trying to develop, (road, utitities, house,
training center...) Land is paid for, and we have some outside support and
savings. So, I am needing to be wise with spending, that's all. I am a
Pastor, with a church in NE AL mtns, about 45 miles south of Chattanooga.
Our ouutreach is to those society often labels as the least, lost, and
forgotten. The GA location, (we are on Lookout Mtn in GA-TN-AL corner) will
be a church and training center, hopefully inspiring and equipping
individuals and families to be more financially self-sufficient through
family-based initiatives. The aquaponics project is but one. My family
specializes in milling and baking. So we will have a bakery, etc.
Chattanooga will be our population center for wholesaling and retailing.
Conference in N.C. will be good introduction for me. I have already decided
to be there. Waiting for my brochure in the mail right now! Thanks for your
encouragement! I love the thread, and when I get behind for a few days,
instead of deleting everything, I painstakeningly read every one - this is a
good education in itself.
BOB BIRD
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Steve,
Thank you for your quick reply. Money is not the overall issue , per se. We
have 22 acres in N.GA mtns I am trying to develop, (road, utitities, house, training center...)
Land is paid for, and we have some outside support and savings. So, I am needing to
be wise with spending, that's all. I am a Pastor, with a church in NE AL mtns, about 45
miles south of Chattanooga. Our ouutreach is to those society often labels as the least,
lost, and forgotten. The GA location, (we are on Lookout Mtn in GA-TN-AL corner) will be
a church and training center, hopefully inspiring and equipping individuals and families to be
more financially self-sufficient through family-based initiatives. The aquaponics project
is but one. My family specializes in milling and baking. So we will have a bakery,
etc. Chattanooga will be our population center for wholesaling and retailing.
Conference in N.C. will be good introduction for me. I have already decided to be
there. Waiting for my brochure in the mail right now! Thanks for your
encouragement! I love the thread, and when I get behind for a few days, instead of
deleting everything, I painstakeningly read every one - this is a good education in itself.
BOB BIRD
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Subject: Re: Fwd. AQUAPONICS COURSE
From: S & S Aqua Farm
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:06:26 -0500
At 10:41 AM 10/12/2001 EDT, you wrote:
>Thanks Paula, I haven't yet received my brochure from Mr. Johnson. If I
>haven't received it by middle of next week, I will call him by phone.
>
>By the way, how do I post a question or response to the list?
>
>Thank you,
>BOB BIRD
You just have, Bob, for the second time. If you want to send to us
personally, use
You might want to email Bert McLaughlin if you have questions. He'll be on
the speakers list.
Bert McLaughlin
Paula
S&S Aqua Farm, 8386 County Road 8820, West Plains, MO 65775 417-256-5124
Web page http://www.townsqr.com/snsaqua/
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Subject: Re: Fwd. AQUAPONICS COURSE
From: Mick
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:35:50 -0500
Birdnest5@aol.com wrote:
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> Steve,
> Thank you for your quick reply. Money is not the overall issue , per
> se. We have 22 acres in N.GA mtns I am trying to develop
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Bob,
Welcome to the list. You'll find the people who post here are wonderful
about helping newbies.
My suggestion to you would be to start small, but save money and room
for expansion. We started with one tank, one plant tray and one
bio-filter. That was last spring. We've had this time for some
hands-on learning with the system and we've had this list to ask
questions when problems arose. We're now ready to add more tanks and
plant trays, as we are confident that the success we've had so far can
be sustained and repeated.
Get Tom and Paula's package, if you haven't already. You will tend to
develop your own design with time, but their design is a great starting
point from which you can individualize as your needs require.
My last suggestion is to research all the permits your state is going to
require. It is easier to change your design before you execute it than
it is to try and make an existing system conform to requirements after
the fact. You are on a mountain so flood zone shouldn't be a problem.
Best of luck to you. I think it is wonderful that you will some day be
teaching other people how to grow their own food.
Mick
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Subject: Newbie intro & stuff
From: Kevin Rhoades
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 09:10:24 -0700
Well, after careful consideration I've decided to confront my phobia
(messagepostophobia) and send something to post with you fine folks. I
think that I have been subscribed to this list for about oh maybe 2 years
now but do not recall ever posting anything. My name is Kevin Rhoades and
I live in La Mesa, CA (San Diego area). I am very interested in Aquaponics
and have been given the elusive 'green light' (spousal agreement) to build
a system. I am actively planning and collecting information on the pieces
needed and will be looking for fish in the mar-april 2002 time frame. I'm
thinking of either Tilapia or Catfish, but Steve S. sounds very happy with
his Pacu so maybe they would be another option. This system will be
integrated into the back yard landscaping design and the greenhouse/covers
will probably be removable (pretty small starter system) as weather here
never gets really severe as it does with many of the folks on this list. I
would also like to include a separate small pond for Duckweed and Red Claw
Crayfish. I plan to use a large photovoltaic panel to generate the
electricity needed for the system because of the power problems here in
So.Cal. For control of the system (temp monitoring, pumps, alarms, etc.) I
will use a homebuilt microcontroller board (I am an electronics engineering
tech.).
I would also like to thank all of the experienced people out there that
take the time to post valuable info that we newbies need to provide us with
the courage and motivation to actually do something.
It's about time to use up some of those frequent flyer miles so I will be
attending the course in N.C. next month (also anxiously awaiting the brochure).
Cheers, ...K.R...
p.s. - that didn't hurt a bit now did it?
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Subject: used greenhouse price
From: "Hiromi Iwashige"
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:25:52 -0500
There is a 40' x100' greenhouse available about 20 miles from here. It
is to be moved. All the heating and cooling equipment is included for a
price of $8000. Can someone tell me if this is a reasonable price? It was
previously used for growing tomatoes. It has a pipe-frame structure with
wood frame-lexan end walls and is covered with inflated poly. It has 3'
side walls.
Miriam Iwashige
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Subject: NCSU aquaponics model
From: "Hiromi Iwashige"
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:38:02 -0500
The first time I read about aquaponics I learned about a very different
model from the S & S model. This one had an in-ground vee-shaped fish tank
(actually a poly-lined trench) that ran down the middle of the entire length
of the greenhouse. Tomatoes, peppers, and cucumbers were grown in
ground-level, sand-filled beds along either side. Fish wastes that
collected in the vee were pumped out onto the grow beds.
This model seems like it would have a much lower set-up cost than the S
& S model. I'm sure many of you know something about this model developed
by North Carolina State University in the early days of aquaponics research.
Why is this model no longer popular?
Miriam Iwashige
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Subject: Re: used greenhouse price
From: "gerry magnuson"
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 07:41:55 -1000
Miriam, have you checked the price of new? How old is the unit, the plastic
will more than likely have to be replaced, if the item is half price or
more, better to buy new...value depends upon your need...10-20% of value
would be reasonable...you will have removal costs, and transportation costs
also...cowboy
>From: "Hiromi Iwashige"
>Reply-To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
>To: "aquaponics"
>Subject: used greenhouse price
>Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:25:52 -0500
>
> There is a 40' x100' greenhouse available about 20 miles from here.
>It
>is to be moved. All the heating and cooling equipment is included for a
>price of $8000. Can someone tell me if this is a reasonable price? It was
>previously used for growing tomatoes. It has a pipe-frame structure with
>wood frame-lexan end walls and is covered with inflated poly. It has 3'
>side walls.
>
>Miriam Iwashige
>
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Subject: Re: used greenhouse price
From: "gutierrez-lagatta"
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 13:01:04 -0500
Way too high in my opinion. You can almost get a new one for that.
And if it hasn't been disassembled the labor is considerable.
Stay away from 3' side walls - they are awful to work around - 5-6' is
much, much better.
Adriana
> There is a 40' x100' greenhouse available about 20 miles from
here. It
> is to be moved. All the heating and cooling equipment is included
for a
> price of $8000. Can someone tell me if this is a reasonable price?
It was
> previously used for growing tomatoes. It has a pipe-frame structure
with
> wood frame-lexan end walls and is covered with inflated poly. It
has 3'
> side walls.
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Subject: Re: used greenhouse price
From: "Brent Bingham"
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:25:22 -0700
If you could get the price down to $4000.00 it would be ok. As you take it
down many parts become damaged lost or will not go back together with out
forcing it. Unless you are very short the sidewalls are a problem us loose a
lot of usable space.
Brent
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From: "Hiromi Iwashige"
To: "aquaponics"
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 10:25 AM
Subject: used greenhouse price
> There is a 40' x100' greenhouse available about 20 miles from here.
It
> is to be moved. All the heating and cooling equipment is included for a
> price of $8000. Can someone tell me if this is a reasonable price? It
was
> previously used for growing tomatoes. It has a pipe-frame structure with
> wood frame-lexan end walls and is covered with inflated poly. It has 3'
> side walls.
>
> Miriam Iwashige
>
>
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Subject: Re: used greenhouse price
From: conrad wilkins
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:45:33 -0500
Though it will add a little more cost a short knee wall could solve the short
side wall problem.
Conrad
Brent Bingham wrote:
> If you could get the price down to $4000.00 it would be ok. As you take it
> down many parts become damaged lost or will not go back together with out
> forcing it. Unless you are very short the sidewalls are a problem us loose a
> lot of usable space.
> Brent
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> From: "Hiromi Iwashige"
> To: "aquaponics"
> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 10:25 AM
> Subject: used greenhouse price
>
> > There is a 40' x100' greenhouse available about 20 miles from here.
> It
> > is to be moved. All the heating and cooling equipment is included for a
> > price of $8000. Can someone tell me if this is a reasonable price? It
> was
> > previously used for growing tomatoes. It has a pipe-frame structure with
> > wood frame-lexan end walls and is covered with inflated poly. It has 3'
> > side walls.
> >
> > Miriam Iwashige
> >
> >
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Subject: Re: Fwd. AQUAPONICS COURSE
From: "Robert Rogers"
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 18:41:23 -0400
Sounds like the NC seminar, course,meeting ,is going to be interesting. I
plan on attending. Please call me Bob, not Robert.
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Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd. AQUAPONICS COURSE
> Conference in N.C. will be good introduction for me. I have already
decided
> to be there. Waiting for my brochure in the mail right now! Thanks for
your
> encouragement! I love the thread, and when I get behind for a few days,
> instead of deleting everything, I painstakeningly read every one - this is
a
> good education in itself.
>
> BOB BIRD
> Bob Rogers
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Subject: Re: Niche markets
From: "Chris Jeppesen"
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 19:24:16 -0700
STEVE
Which type kang kong are you growing? The kind that grows in wet ground or the aquatic type
that grows in shallow water.
I have been playing with one bed that has about 3 inches of water over about 3 inches of pea
gravel. It grows really nice water cress. and the pink Kissers and gold fish init seem to to
better than in the big tank.
Chris Jeppesen
> "STEVE SPRING" Re: Niche marketsDate: Thu, 11
Oct 2001 20:11:01 -0500
>Reply-To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
>
>Hi Mark,
>I'm still doing my Pacu though and my Kang Kong.......just intrigued by this
>combination. The Pacu are growing just fine and the Kang Kong...WELL, YOU
>JUST WOULDN'T BELIEVE IT!
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Subject: Re: Fw: tilapia abundance
From: David Inselman
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 21:41:53 -0500
>
> Here in south central Kansas our family considers fish a rare
> treat.
> Miriam
Miriam, Where in Kansas are you? I live in Ponca City, which is North
Central Oklahoma, so we can't be too far from each other.
I've been working on an S&S style system (Hi Paula remember me?) for the
last couple of years, whenever I've had the time and money, and all the
while I've been lurking on this list. The information on this list is
overwelming. (I know more about sod yurts than I ever thought possible)
I've finally got a system up and running and the results are tremendous.
Maybe we can get together sometime for a fish fry.
David Inselman
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Subject: Bed Media - Lava Rock
From: "NiCKEL"
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 19:58:42 -0700
Has anyone had luck using lava rock for bed media?
I am considering it as it is light and cheap.
I know people use it for ground cover in gardens so im sure the plants won't
mind it. As long as it doesn't mess with water retention or the
fish/bacteria I would assume all is well.
Thanks
-Geoff
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Subject: Re: Niche markets
From: conrad wilkins
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 19:53:29 -0500
Thats a very simple system. Is that just standing water in those beds or is it circulated some
how. And are the Pink Kissers, kissing Gouramis.
intreaged Conrad.
Chris Jeppesen wrote:
> STEVE
> Which type kang kong are you growing? The kind that grows in wet ground or the aquatic type
that grows in shallow water.
> I have been playing with one bed that has about 3 inches of water over about 3 inches of pea
gravel. It grows really nice water cress. and the pink Kissers and gold fish init seem to to
better than in the big tank.
> Chris Jeppesen
>
> > "STEVE SPRING" Re: Niche marketsDate: Thu,
11 Oct 2001 20:11:01 -0500
> >Reply-To: aquaponics@townsqr.com
> >
> >Hi Mark,
>
> >I'm still doing my Pacu though and my Kang Kong.......just intrigued by this
> >combination. The Pacu are growing just fine and the Kang Kong...WELL, YOU
> >JUST WOULDN'T BELIEVE IT!
>
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Subject: Re: Fwd. AQUAPONICS COURSE
From: Bertmcl
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 23:43:39 EDT
Bob,
Please send your mailing address and I will be glad to send a brochure.
Bert McLaughlin
New Kent, VA
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